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arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Hi,
I am trying to compile some arguments in favour of lucene as
management is deciding weather to standardize on lucene or a competing
commercial product (we have a couple of produc, one using lucene,
another using commercial product, imagine what am i using). I searched
the lists but could not find any post, although I remember seeing such
posts in the past.
Does somebody kept such posts linked or something? Or does someone
know of some page that would help me?
I would like to show:
- traction of lucene, really improving a lot last couple of years
- rich ecosystem (solr...)
- references of other companies choosing lucene/solr over commercial
(be it Fast or whatever)
thanks
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Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Posted by jm <jm...@gmail.com>.
thanks Grant, great pointers! With these and other previous replies I
think I'm good to write up a good case for lucene. I'll look for perf
numbers over releases (but I don't have the time to create those
numbers from scratch unfortunately).
regards,
javier
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi JM,
>
> On Jun 23, 2010, at 4:01 AM, jm wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to compile some arguments in favour of lucene as
>> management is deciding weather to standardize on lucene or a competing
>> commercial product (we have a couple of produc, one using lucene,
>> another using commercial product, imagine what am i using). I searched
>> the lists but could not find any post, although I remember seeing such
>> posts in the past.
>>
>> Does somebody kept such posts linked or something? Or does someone
>> know of some page that would help me?
>>
>> I would like to show:
>> - traction of lucene, really improving a lot last couple of years
>
> I'd venture to say it is the most used search library in the world, but I can't back it up w/ real numbers, unfortunately, at this point; but it is based on the fact that not only is it widely deployed via Solr/Nutch and in custom implementations, but several of the large commercial players use it as well so anytime you buy them, you are buying Lucene as well.
>
> Some actual numbers: the Open Source Census has it at #8: https://www.osscensus.org/summary-report-public.php in a list of most popular open source projects
>
>> - rich ecosystem (solr...)
>
> Tika, Mahout, Nutch, UIMA, etc. all fit nicely into this ecosystem. There are also a lot of non-ASF projects that work in as well.
>
>> - references of other companies choosing lucene/solr over commercial
>> (be it Fast or whatever)
>
> We have a lot of case studies over at http://www.lucidimagination.com/, including several that highlight replacements of the commercial players.
>
> -Grant
>
> --------------------------
> Grant Ingersoll
> http://www.lucidimagination.com/
>
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Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Posted by Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org>.
Hi JM,
On Jun 23, 2010, at 4:01 AM, jm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to compile some arguments in favour of lucene as
> management is deciding weather to standardize on lucene or a competing
> commercial product (we have a couple of produc, one using lucene,
> another using commercial product, imagine what am i using). I searched
> the lists but could not find any post, although I remember seeing such
> posts in the past.
>
> Does somebody kept such posts linked or something? Or does someone
> know of some page that would help me?
>
> I would like to show:
> - traction of lucene, really improving a lot last couple of years
I'd venture to say it is the most used search library in the world, but I can't back it up w/ real numbers, unfortunately, at this point; but it is based on the fact that not only is it widely deployed via Solr/Nutch and in custom implementations, but several of the large commercial players use it as well so anytime you buy them, you are buying Lucene as well.
Some actual numbers: the Open Source Census has it at #8: https://www.osscensus.org/summary-report-public.php in a list of most popular open source projects
> - rich ecosystem (solr...)
Tika, Mahout, Nutch, UIMA, etc. all fit nicely into this ecosystem. There are also a lot of non-ASF projects that work in as well.
> - references of other companies choosing lucene/solr over commercial
> (be it Fast or whatever)
We have a lot of case studies over at http://www.lucidimagination.com/, including several that highlight replacements of the commercial players.
-Grant
--------------------------
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http://www.lucidimagination.com/
Search the Lucene ecosystem using Solr/Lucene: http://www.lucidimagination.com/search
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Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Posted by jm <jm...@gmail.com>.
thanks guys, those links are cool. I welcome any other positive thing
anyone can add. Specially references of products/sites moving to
lucene/solr
javier
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Otis Gospodnetic
<ot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Lucene/Solr choice typically means:
>
> * lower cost of ownership (think about various crazy licensing models some of the commercial search vendors have: per doc, per server, per query, per year....)
>
> * faster implementation (just think about the duration of the sales/negotiation phase for commercial search vendors)
>
> * flexibility -- it's open source, you can change whatever you want. Try that with closed-source commercial search vendor's package.
>
> * super fast and knowledgeable community -- see http://www.jroller.com/otis/entry/lucene_solr_nutch_amazing_tech
>
> * commercial support and experts still available -- see http://www.sematext.com/services/index.html
>
> * adoption - small companies, medium companies, HUGE companies, secret organizations, everyone's using some form of Lucene -- see http://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/PoweredBy , http://wiki.apache.org/solr/PublicServers
>
> * maturity - Lucene is over 10 years old. Solr is over 4 years old.
>
> * future - look at JIRA, look at mailing list traffic, look at pace of development, look at CHANGES.txt
>
> * searchable documentation and mailing list archives -- http://search-lucene.com/
>
>
> * ...
>
> Otis
> ----
> Sematext :: http://sematext.com/ :: Solr - Lucene - Nutch
> Lucene ecosystem search :: http://search-lucene.com/
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: jm <jm...@gmail.com>
>> To: java-user@lucene.apache.org
>> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 4:01:05 AM
>> Subject: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
>>
>> Hi,
>
> I am trying to compile some arguments in favour of lucene
>> as
> management is deciding weather to standardize on lucene or a
>> competing
> commercial product (we have a couple of produc, one using
>> lucene,
> another using commercial product, imagine what am i using). I
>> searched
> the lists but could not find any post, although I remember seeing
>> such
> posts in the past.
>
> Does somebody kept such posts linked or
>> something? Or does someone
> know of some page that would help me?
>
> I
>> would like to show:
> - traction of lucene, really improving a lot last couple
>> of years
> - rich ecosystem (solr...)
> - references of other companies
>> choosing lucene/solr over commercial
> (be it Fast or
>> whatever)
>
> thanks
>
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Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Posted by Otis Gospodnetic <ot...@yahoo.com>.
Lucene/Solr choice typically means:
* lower cost of ownership (think about various crazy licensing models some of the commercial search vendors have: per doc, per server, per query, per year....)
* faster implementation (just think about the duration of the sales/negotiation phase for commercial search vendors)
* flexibility -- it's open source, you can change whatever you want. Try that with closed-source commercial search vendor's package.
* super fast and knowledgeable community -- see http://www.jroller.com/otis/entry/lucene_solr_nutch_amazing_tech
* commercial support and experts still available -- see http://www.sematext.com/services/index.html
* adoption - small companies, medium companies, HUGE companies, secret organizations, everyone's using some form of Lucene -- see http://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/PoweredBy , http://wiki.apache.org/solr/PublicServers
* maturity - Lucene is over 10 years old. Solr is over 4 years old.
* future - look at JIRA, look at mailing list traffic, look at pace of development, look at CHANGES.txt
* searchable documentation and mailing list archives -- http://search-lucene.com/
* ...
Otis
----
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Lucene ecosystem search :: http://search-lucene.com/
----- Original Message ----
> From: jm <jm...@gmail.com>
> To: java-user@lucene.apache.org
> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 4:01:05 AM
> Subject: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
>
> Hi,
I am trying to compile some arguments in favour of lucene
> as
management is deciding weather to standardize on lucene or a
> competing
commercial product (we have a couple of produc, one using
> lucene,
another using commercial product, imagine what am i using). I
> searched
the lists but could not find any post, although I remember seeing
> such
posts in the past.
Does somebody kept such posts linked or
> something? Or does someone
know of some page that would help me?
I
> would like to show:
- traction of lucene, really improving a lot last couple
> of years
- rich ecosystem (solr...)
- references of other companies
> choosing lucene/solr over commercial
(be it Fast or
> whatever)
thanks
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Re: IR meetup in Michigan - lucene's scaling performance and
relevance tuning
Posted by Alexander Aristov <al...@gmail.com>.
are there such events in Russia?
Best Regards
Alexander Aristov
On 20 July 2010 17:59, Ivan Provalov <ip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> We are organizing a meetup in michigan on IR. The first meeting is on
> august 19. We will be talking about lucene's scalability and relevance
> tuning followed by a discussion. Feel free to sign up:
>
> http://www.meetup.com/Michigan-Information-Retrieval-Enthusiasts-Group
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ivan provalov
>
>
>
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IR meetup in Michigan - lucene's scaling performance and relevance tuning
Posted by Ivan Provalov <ip...@yahoo.com>.
We are organizing a meetup in michigan on IR. The first meeting is on august 19. We will be talking about lucene's scalability and relevance tuning followed by a discussion. Feel free to sign up:
http://www.meetup.com/Michigan-Information-Retrieval-Enthusiasts-Group
Thanks,
Ivan provalov
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Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Posted by Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com>.
Otis's comments reminded me of one of the astonishing things
I've seen in the Lucene/SOLR ecosystem; I've seen issues
reported, commented on, fixed, and patches made available
*for free* in a matter of hours.
Of course, you have to be willing to use a patched version, but
it sure beats waiting six months for the commercial vendor
to get around to including it in the next release. If they think it's
important enough. Unless you bribe them.
And if you really feel the need to bribe someone, there are
Lucene/SOLR support companies that you
can hire for a very reasonable fee if you don't want to add a
feature yourself. When you need them rather than up-front.
Do note one thing. Open Source software is, IMO,
hit-or-miss. Not all open source projects are created equal, and
just because something's "open source" does not mean it's of
great quality. I happen to think that Lucene/SOLR is in the very
top percentile of quality and active development FWIW. Subscribe
to the dev list to see just how active development is.
Of course the quality of commercial products also varies widely,
but you can't see the source (it's proprietary, dont'cha know) to
judge for yourself.
Have a look at the continuous build. Look at the code coverage
of the unit tests. Ask vendor X to provide equivalent data. Be
ready for BS as a response. Don't accept it.
In my initial foray into Lucene several years ago, by the time
I'd sent a support request to the vendor of a commercial product
and received an answer telling me that I hadn't included the
correct license info and I'd have to provide it before they could
talk to me, I'd found Lucene, downloaded it, indexed
some of our data and run searches against it. Not to mention
that rather than waiting for days to get a response from the
commercial vendor, my questions on the Lucene user's list were
answered within a very few hours. With grace and tolerance
for my ignorance. *For free*.
Hmmmm, can you tell I'm somewhat of an enthusiast? <G>...
Disclosure: No, I don't work for any company that offers
support for SOLR/Lucene, no matter how much it may
sound like it <G>....
Best
Erick
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:57 PM, jm <jm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yes, in my case the competition is one of the list...
>
> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Otis Gospodnetic
> <ot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Off the top of my head:
> >
> > FAST
> > Endeca
> > Coveo
> > Attivio
> > Vivisimo
> > Google Search Appliance
> > (tell me when to stop)
> > Dieselpoint
> > IBM OmniFind
> > Exalead
> > Autonomy
> > dtSearch
> > ISYS
> > Oracle
> > ...
> > ...
> >
> > Otis
> > ----
> > Sematext :: http://sematext.com/ :: Solr - Lucene - Nutch
> > Lucene ecosystem search :: http://search-lucene.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Hans Merkl <hm...@rightonpoint.us>
> >> To: java-user <ja...@lucene.apache.org>
> >> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 5:15:46 PM
> >> Subject: Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
> >>
> >> Just curious. What commercial alternatives are out there?
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 23,
> >> 2010 at 04:01, jm <
> >> href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am trying to compile some arguments in favour of lucene
> >> as
> >> management is deciding weather to standardize on lucene or a
> >> competing
> >> commercial product (we have a couple of produc, one using
> >> lucene,
> >> another using commercial product, imagine what am i using). I
> >> searched
> >> the lists but could not find any post, although I remember
> >> seeing such
> >> posts in the past.
> >>
> >> Does somebody kept such
> >> posts linked or something? Or does someone
> >> know of some page that would
> >> help me?
> >>
> >> I would like to show:
> >> - traction of lucene,
> >> really improving a lot last couple of years
> >> - rich ecosystem
> >> (solr...)
> >> - references of other companies choosing lucene/solr over
> >> commercial
> >> (be it Fast or whatever)
> >>
> >>
> >> thanks
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Posted by jm <jm...@gmail.com>.
I am pretty sure at least some number already exists...cause I have
seen mentioned several times things like '3.0 is 3 times faster than
2.4 in benchmark x' and things like that, the only thing is that
numbers are not probably consolidated in one place
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko <it...@code972.com> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Otis Gospodnetic [mailto:otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:09 AM
>> To: java-user@lucene.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
>>
>> And I was just thinking the other day how it would be cool to
>> take, say, Lucene 1.4, then some 2.* version and now the
>> latest 3.* version and compare. :) Want to do it and share?
>> I don't think anyone has done this before.
>
> I have been looking at the contrib/benchmark sources lately (for CLucene),
> and I recall Grant (I think) has put a TODO requesting just that. So I guess
> it is somehow possible to do with just enhancing the benchmarker?
>
> But if you are lazy, you can compare to old benchmarks made by others that
> are posted on the Wiki (assuming you can get the same hardware).
>
>>
>> Otis
>> ----
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RE: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Posted by Itamar Syn-Hershko <it...@code972.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Otis Gospodnetic [mailto:otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:09 AM
> To: java-user@lucene.apache.org
> Subject: Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
>
> And I was just thinking the other day how it would be cool to
> take, say, Lucene 1.4, then some 2.* version and now the
> latest 3.* version and compare. :) Want to do it and share?
> I don't think anyone has done this before.
I have been looking at the contrib/benchmark sources lately (for CLucene),
and I recall Grant (I think) has put a TODO requesting just that. So I guess
it is somehow possible to do with just enhancing the benchmarker?
But if you are lazy, you can compare to old benchmarks made by others that
are posted on the Wiki (assuming you can get the same hardware).
>
> Otis
> ----
> Sematext :: http://sematext.com/ :: Solr - Lucene - Nutch
> Lucene ecosystem search :: http://search-lucene.com/
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Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Posted by Otis Gospodnetic <ot...@yahoo.com>.
And I was just thinking the other day how it would be cool to take, say, Lucene 1.4, then some 2.* version and now the latest 3.* version and compare. :)
Want to do it and share? I don't think anyone has done this before.
Otis
----
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----- Original Message ----
> From: jm <jm...@gmail.com>
> To: java-user@lucene.apache.org
> Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010 3:50:58 AM
> Subject: Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
>
> I want to add some perf numbers too, to show how it has improved in
the last
> versions (not that it was bad before) does anyone have a link
to a nice page
> with numbers/graphs ?
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Otis
> Gospodnetic
<
> href="mailto:otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com">otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> Coincidentally, just after I replied to this thread I received an
> email from one of our customers. In that email was a quote from one of the
> commercial search vendors. My jaw didn't drop because I've seen similar numbers
> from other commercial search vendors before, but.... I won't mention the
> customer nor the vendor, but I can tell you that the amount could put a couple
> of kids through a top-notch private college in the U.S. Talking about TOC
> reduction through use of open-source!
> Otis
> ----
>
> Sematext ::
> >http://sematext.com/ :: Solr - Lucene - Nutch
> Lucene ecosystem
> search ::
> >http://search-lucene.com/
>
>
>
> ----- Original
> Message ----
>> From: jm <
> href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com>
>> To:
> ymailto="mailto:java-user@lucene.apache.org"
> href="mailto:java-user@lucene.apache.org">java-user@lucene.apache.org
>>
> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 5:57:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: arguments in favour
> of lucene over commercial competition
>>
>> yes, in my case
> the competition is one of the list...
>
> On Wed, Jun
> 23,
>> 2010 at 11:41 PM, Otis Gospodnetic
> <
>>
> ymailto="mailto:
> href="mailto:otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com">otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com"
>>
> href="mailto:
> href="mailto:otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com">otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com">
> ymailto="mailto:otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com"
> href="mailto:otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com">otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com>
>>
> wrote:
>> Off the top of my head:
>>
>>
> FAST
>>
>> Endeca
>> Coveo
>>
> Attivio
>> Vivisimo
>> Google Search
>>
> Appliance
>> (tell me when to stop)
>> Dieselpoint
>>
> IBM
>> OmniFind
>> Exalead
>> Autonomy
>>
> dtSearch
>> ISYS
>>
>> Oracle
>>
> ...
>> ...
>>
>> Otis
>>
> ----
>>
>> Sematext ::
>> >
> href="http://sematext.com/" target=_blank >http://sematext.com/ :: Solr -
> Lucene - Nutch
>> Lucene ecosystem
>> search ::
>>
> >
> >http://search-lucene.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
> ----- Original
>> Message ----
>>> From: Hans Merkl
> <
>> ymailto="mailto:
> href="mailto:hmerkl@rightonpoint.us">hmerkl@rightonpoint.us"
>>
> href="mailto:
> href="mailto:hmerkl@rightonpoint.us">hmerkl@rightonpoint.us">
> ymailto="mailto:hmerkl@rightonpoint.us"
> href="mailto:hmerkl@rightonpoint.us">hmerkl@rightonpoint.us>
>>>
>>
> To: java-user <
>> href="mailto:
> ymailto="mailto:java-user@lucene.apache.org"
> href="mailto:java-user@lucene.apache.org">java-user@lucene.apache.org">
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> href="mailto:java-user@lucene.apache.org">java-user@lucene.apache.org>
>>>
>>
> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 5:15:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: arguments in
> favour
>> of lucene over commercial
> competition
>>>
>>> Just curious. What
>>
> commercial alternatives are out there?
>>
>> On Wed,
> Jun
>> 23,
>>> 2010 at 04:01, jm <
>>>
> href="mailto:
>> ymailto="mailto:
> ymailto="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com"
> href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com"
>>
> href="mailto:
> href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com">
> ymailto="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com"
> href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com">
>>
> ymailto="mailto:
> href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com"
>>
> href="mailto:
> href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com">
> ymailto="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com"
> href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com>
>>
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am trying
>> to compile some
> arguments in favour of lucene
>>> as
>>>
>>
> management is deciding weather to standardize on lucene or
> a
>>>
>> competing
>>> commercial product (we
> have a couple of produc, one
>> using
>>>
> lucene,
>>> another using commercial product, imagine
>>
> what am i using). I
>>> searched
>>> the lists but could
> not
>> find any post, although I remember
>>> seeing
> such
>>> posts in
>> the
> past.
>>>
>>> Does somebody kept such
>>>
> posts
>> linked or something? Or does someone
>>> know of
> some page that
>> would
>>> help
> me?
>>>
>>> I would like to
>>
> show:
>>> - traction of lucene,
>>> really improving a
> lot last
>> couple of years
>>> - rich
> ecosystem
>>> (solr...)
>>> -
>> references of
> other companies choosing lucene/solr over
>>>
>>
> commercial
>>> (be it Fast or
>>
> whatever)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Posted by jm <jm...@gmail.com>.
I want to add some perf numbers too, to show how it has improved in
the last versions (not that it was bad before) does anyone have a link
to a nice page with numbers/graphs ?
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Otis Gospodnetic
<ot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Coincidentally, just after I replied to this thread I received an email from one of our customers. In that email was a quote from one of the commercial search vendors. My jaw didn't drop because I've seen similar numbers from other commercial search vendors before, but.... I won't mention the customer nor the vendor, but I can tell you that the amount could put a couple of kids through a top-notch private college in the U.S. Talking about TOC reduction through use of open-source!
> Otis
> ----
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>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: jm <jm...@gmail.com>
>> To: java-user@lucene.apache.org
>> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 5:57:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
>>
>> yes, in my case the competition is one of the list...
>
> On Wed, Jun 23,
>> 2010 at 11:41 PM, Otis Gospodnetic
> <
>> ymailto="mailto:otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com"
>> href="mailto:otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com">otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> Off the top of my head:
>>
>> FAST
>>
>> Endeca
>> Coveo
>> Attivio
>> Vivisimo
>> Google Search
>> Appliance
>> (tell me when to stop)
>> Dieselpoint
>> IBM
>> OmniFind
>> Exalead
>> Autonomy
>> dtSearch
>> ISYS
>>
>> Oracle
>> ...
>> ...
>>
>> Otis
>> ----
>>
>> Sematext ::
>> >http://sematext.com/ :: Solr - Lucene - Nutch
>> Lucene ecosystem
>> search ::
>> >http://search-lucene.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original
>> Message ----
>>> From: Hans Merkl <
>> ymailto="mailto:hmerkl@rightonpoint.us"
>> href="mailto:hmerkl@rightonpoint.us">hmerkl@rightonpoint.us>
>>>
>> To: java-user <
>> href="mailto:java-user@lucene.apache.org">java-user@lucene.apache.org>
>>>
>> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 5:15:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: arguments in favour
>> of lucene over commercial competition
>>>
>>> Just curious. What
>> commercial alternatives are out there?
>>
>> On Wed, Jun
>> 23,
>>> 2010 at 04:01, jm <
>>> href="mailto:
>> ymailto="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com"
>> href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com">
>> ymailto="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com"
>> href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am trying
>> to compile some arguments in favour of lucene
>>> as
>>>
>> management is deciding weather to standardize on lucene or a
>>>
>> competing
>>> commercial product (we have a couple of produc, one
>> using
>>> lucene,
>>> another using commercial product, imagine
>> what am i using). I
>>> searched
>>> the lists but could not
>> find any post, although I remember
>>> seeing such
>>> posts in
>> the past.
>>>
>>> Does somebody kept such
>>> posts
>> linked or something? Or does someone
>>> know of some page that
>> would
>>> help me?
>>>
>>> I would like to
>> show:
>>> - traction of lucene,
>>> really improving a lot last
>> couple of years
>>> - rich ecosystem
>>> (solr...)
>>> -
>> references of other companies choosing lucene/solr over
>>>
>> commercial
>>> (be it Fast or
>> whatever)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
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>>> unsubscribe, e-mail:
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Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Posted by Otis Gospodnetic <ot...@yahoo.com>.
Coincidentally, just after I replied to this thread I received an email from one of our customers. In that email was a quote from one of the commercial search vendors. My jaw didn't drop because I've seen similar numbers from other commercial search vendors before, but.... I won't mention the customer nor the vendor, but I can tell you that the amount could put a couple of kids through a top-notch private college in the U.S. Talking about TOC reduction through use of open-source!
Otis
----
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Lucene ecosystem search :: http://search-lucene.com/
----- Original Message ----
> From: jm <jm...@gmail.com>
> To: java-user@lucene.apache.org
> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 5:57:32 PM
> Subject: Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
>
> yes, in my case the competition is one of the list...
On Wed, Jun 23,
> 2010 at 11:41 PM, Otis Gospodnetic
<
> ymailto="mailto:otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com"
> href="mailto:otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com">otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> Off the top of my head:
>
> FAST
>
> Endeca
> Coveo
> Attivio
> Vivisimo
> Google Search
> Appliance
> (tell me when to stop)
> Dieselpoint
> IBM
> OmniFind
> Exalead
> Autonomy
> dtSearch
> ISYS
>
> Oracle
> ...
> ...
>
> Otis
> ----
>
> Sematext ::
> >http://sematext.com/ :: Solr - Lucene - Nutch
> Lucene ecosystem
> search ::
> >http://search-lucene.com/
>
>
>
> ----- Original
> Message ----
>> From: Hans Merkl <
> ymailto="mailto:hmerkl@rightonpoint.us"
> href="mailto:hmerkl@rightonpoint.us">hmerkl@rightonpoint.us>
>>
> To: java-user <
> href="mailto:java-user@lucene.apache.org">java-user@lucene.apache.org>
>>
> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 5:15:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: arguments in favour
> of lucene over commercial competition
>>
>> Just curious. What
> commercial alternatives are out there?
>
> On Wed, Jun
> 23,
>> 2010 at 04:01, jm <
>> href="mailto:
> ymailto="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com"
> href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com">
> ymailto="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com"
> href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying
> to compile some arguments in favour of lucene
>> as
>>
> management is deciding weather to standardize on lucene or a
>>
> competing
>> commercial product (we have a couple of produc, one
> using
>> lucene,
>> another using commercial product, imagine
> what am i using). I
>> searched
>> the lists but could not
> find any post, although I remember
>> seeing such
>> posts in
> the past.
>>
>> Does somebody kept such
>> posts
> linked or something? Or does someone
>> know of some page that
> would
>> help me?
>>
>> I would like to
> show:
>> - traction of lucene,
>> really improving a lot last
> couple of years
>> - rich ecosystem
>> (solr...)
>> -
> references of other companies choosing lucene/solr over
>>
> commercial
>> (be it Fast or
> whatever)
>>
>>
>>
> thanks
>>
>>
>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Posted by jm <jm...@gmail.com>.
yes, in my case the competition is one of the list...
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Otis Gospodnetic
<ot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Off the top of my head:
>
> FAST
> Endeca
> Coveo
> Attivio
> Vivisimo
> Google Search Appliance
> (tell me when to stop)
> Dieselpoint
> IBM OmniFind
> Exalead
> Autonomy
> dtSearch
> ISYS
> Oracle
> ...
> ...
>
> Otis
> ----
> Sematext :: http://sematext.com/ :: Solr - Lucene - Nutch
> Lucene ecosystem search :: http://search-lucene.com/
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Hans Merkl <hm...@rightonpoint.us>
>> To: java-user <ja...@lucene.apache.org>
>> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 5:15:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
>>
>> Just curious. What commercial alternatives are out there?
>
> On Wed, Jun 23,
>> 2010 at 04:01, jm <
>> href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to compile some arguments in favour of lucene
>> as
>> management is deciding weather to standardize on lucene or a
>> competing
>> commercial product (we have a couple of produc, one using
>> lucene,
>> another using commercial product, imagine what am i using). I
>> searched
>> the lists but could not find any post, although I remember
>> seeing such
>> posts in the past.
>>
>> Does somebody kept such
>> posts linked or something? Or does someone
>> know of some page that would
>> help me?
>>
>> I would like to show:
>> - traction of lucene,
>> really improving a lot last couple of years
>> - rich ecosystem
>> (solr...)
>> - references of other companies choosing lucene/solr over
>> commercial
>> (be it Fast or whatever)
>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> unsubscribe, e-mail:
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Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Posted by Otis Gospodnetic <ot...@yahoo.com>.
I won't comment on Attivio, as I think I might have signed some NDA with them. But they do claim to combine full-text search with DB-like joins. Can't MarkLogic do that, too?
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----- Original Message ----
> From: Itamar Syn-Hershko <it...@code972.com>
> To: java-user@lucene.apache.org
> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 5:54:34 PM
> Subject: RE: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
>
> Otis, I'm 99% sure Attivio is just a wrapper arround Lucene...
And I
> personally wouldn't count full text search solutions such as
> Oracle's.
Itamar.
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> Otis Gospodnetic [mailto:
> href="mailto:otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com">otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com]
>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:42 AM
> To:
> ymailto="mailto:java-user@lucene.apache.org"
> href="mailto:java-user@lucene.apache.org">java-user@lucene.apache.org
>
> Subject: Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
>
>
> Off the top of my head:
>
> FAST
> Endeca
>
> Coveo
> Attivio
> Vivisimo
> Google Search Appliance
>
> (tell me when to stop)
> Dieselpoint
> IBM OmniFind
>
> Exalead
> Autonomy
> dtSearch
> ISYS
> Oracle
>
> ...
> ...
>
> Otis
> ----
> Sematext ::
> href="http://sematext.com/" target=_blank >http://sematext.com/ :: Solr -
> Lucene - Nutch
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> href="http://search-lucene.com/" target=_blank
> >http://search-lucene.com/
>
>
>
> ----- Original
> Message ----
> > From: Hans Merkl <
> ymailto="mailto:hmerkl@rightonpoint.us"
> href="mailto:hmerkl@rightonpoint.us">hmerkl@rightonpoint.us>
> >
> To: java-user <
> href="mailto:java-user@lucene.apache.org">java-user@lucene.apache.org>
>
> > Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 5:15:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: arguments in
> favour of lucene over commercial
> competition
> >
> >
> Just curious. What commercial alternatives are out there?
>
> On
> Wed, Jun 23,
> > 2010 at 04:01, jm <
> > href="mailto:
> ymailto="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com"
> href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com">
> ymailto="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com"
> href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am trying to compile
> some arguments in favour of lucene as
> > management is deciding
> weather to standardize on lucene or
> a competing
> >
> commercial product (we have a couple of produc, one using lucene,
> >
> another using commercial product, imagine what am i using).
> I searched
>
> > the lists but could not find any post, although I remember
>
> seeing such
> > posts in the past.
> >
> >
> Does somebody kept such
> > posts linked or something? Or does someone
> know of some page that
> > would help me?
> >
> > I
> would like to show:
> > - traction of lucene,
> > really
> improving a lot last couple of years
> > - rich ecosystem
> >
> (solr...)
> > - references of other companies choosing lucene/solr over
>
> commercial
> > (be it Fast or whatever)
> >
>
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> >
>
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RE: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Posted by Itamar Syn-Hershko <it...@code972.com>.
Otis, I'm 99% sure Attivio is just a wrapper arround Lucene...
And I personally wouldn't count full text search solutions such as Oracle's.
Itamar.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Otis Gospodnetic [mailto:otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:42 AM
> To: java-user@lucene.apache.org
> Subject: Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
>
> Off the top of my head:
>
> FAST
> Endeca
> Coveo
> Attivio
> Vivisimo
> Google Search Appliance
> (tell me when to stop)
> Dieselpoint
> IBM OmniFind
> Exalead
> Autonomy
> dtSearch
> ISYS
> Oracle
> ...
> ...
>
> Otis
> ----
> Sematext :: http://sematext.com/ :: Solr - Lucene - Nutch
> Lucene ecosystem search :: http://search-lucene.com/
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Hans Merkl <hm...@rightonpoint.us>
> > To: java-user <ja...@lucene.apache.org>
> > Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 5:15:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial
> competition
> >
> > Just curious. What commercial alternatives are out there?
>
> On Wed, Jun 23,
> > 2010 at 04:01, jm <
> > href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am trying to compile some arguments in favour of lucene as
> > management is deciding weather to standardize on lucene or
> a competing
> > commercial product (we have a couple of produc, one using lucene,
> > another using commercial product, imagine what am i using).
> I searched
> > the lists but could not find any post, although I remember
> seeing such
> > posts in the past.
> >
> > Does somebody kept such
> > posts linked or something? Or does someone know of some page that
> > would help me?
> >
> > I would like to show:
> > - traction of lucene,
> > really improving a lot last couple of years
> > - rich ecosystem
> > (solr...)
> > - references of other companies choosing lucene/solr over
> commercial
> > (be it Fast or whatever)
> >
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
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Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Posted by Otis Gospodnetic <ot...@yahoo.com>.
Off the top of my head:
FAST
Endeca
Coveo
Attivio
Vivisimo
Google Search Appliance
(tell me when to stop)
Dieselpoint
IBM OmniFind
Exalead
Autonomy
dtSearch
ISYS
Oracle
...
...
Otis
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Lucene ecosystem search :: http://search-lucene.com/
----- Original Message ----
> From: Hans Merkl <hm...@rightonpoint.us>
> To: java-user <ja...@lucene.apache.org>
> Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 5:15:46 PM
> Subject: Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
>
> Just curious. What commercial alternatives are out there?
On Wed, Jun 23,
> 2010 at 04:01, jm <
> href="mailto:jmuguruza@gmail.com">jmuguruza@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to compile some arguments in favour of lucene
> as
> management is deciding weather to standardize on lucene or a
> competing
> commercial product (we have a couple of produc, one using
> lucene,
> another using commercial product, imagine what am i using). I
> searched
> the lists but could not find any post, although I remember
> seeing such
> posts in the past.
>
> Does somebody kept such
> posts linked or something? Or does someone
> know of some page that would
> help me?
>
> I would like to show:
> - traction of lucene,
> really improving a lot last couple of years
> - rich ecosystem
> (solr...)
> - references of other companies choosing lucene/solr over
> commercial
> (be it Fast or whatever)
>
>
> thanks
>
>
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Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Posted by Hans Merkl <hm...@rightonpoint.us>.
Just curious. What commercial alternatives are out there?
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 04:01, jm <jm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to compile some arguments in favour of lucene as
> management is deciding weather to standardize on lucene or a competing
> commercial product (we have a couple of produc, one using lucene,
> another using commercial product, imagine what am i using). I searched
> the lists but could not find any post, although I remember seeing such
> posts in the past.
>
> Does somebody kept such posts linked or something? Or does someone
> know of some page that would help me?
>
> I would like to show:
> - traction of lucene, really improving a lot last couple of years
> - rich ecosystem (solr...)
> - references of other companies choosing lucene/solr over commercial
> (be it Fast or whatever)
>
> thanks
>
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Re: arguments in favour of lucene over commercial competition
Posted by Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com>.
One thing to consider is that you have access to the source,
so worst-case you won't be cut off at the knees by the commercial
vendor.
Case in point: Fast was acquired by Microsoft, who have since
dropped all future Unix development. Hope all Fast users
really like running their apps on Windows servers.
Here's a start for companies using Lucene:
http://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/PoweredBy
<http://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/PoweredBy>HTH
Erick
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:01 AM, jm <jm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to compile some arguments in favour of lucene as
> management is deciding weather to standardize on lucene or a competing
> commercial product (we have a couple of produc, one using lucene,
> another using commercial product, imagine what am i using). I searched
> the lists but could not find any post, although I remember seeing such
> posts in the past.
>
> Does somebody kept such posts linked or something? Or does someone
> know of some page that would help me?
>
> I would like to show:
> - traction of lucene, really improving a lot last couple of years
> - rich ecosystem (solr...)
> - references of other companies choosing lucene/solr over commercial
> (be it Fast or whatever)
>
> thanks
>
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