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Posted to dev@corinthia.apache.org by jan i <ja...@apache.org> on 2014/12/31 16:04:38 UTC
time for our first "board" report.
Hi all.
The procedure for podling reports is pretty simple.
- For the first 3 month we have to submit a report every month, then every
3 month.
- Reports are done in the wiki http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015
- It is the PPMC responsibility to fill out the reports.
- The mentors must sign off the report, for it to be accepted.
The report follow a template, I have copied it below, look for
"TO_BE_AGREED_ON", that is our text. I have made a proposal but hope to get
many comments:
--------------------CorinthiaCorinthia is a toolkit/application for
converting between and editing commonoffice file formats, with an
initial focus on word processing. It is designedto cater for multiple
classes of platforms - desktop, web, and mobile - andrelies heavily on
web technologies such as HTML, CSS, and JavaScript forrepresenting and
manipulating documents. The toolkit is small, portable, andflexible,
with minimal dependencies. The target audience is developers wishingto
include office viewing, conversion, and editing functionality into
theirapplications.Corinthia has been incubating since 2014-12-08.Three
most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: 1.
TO_BE_AGREED_ON, complete the move to ASF infrastructure 2.
TO_BE_AGREED_ON, Discuss and decide on a medium term roadplan 3.
TO_BE_AGREED_ON, Grow the communityAny issues that the Incubator PMC
(IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to beaware of?TO_BE_AGREED_ON none.How
has the community developed since the last report?TO_BE_AGREED_ON We
have spend a lot of mail on getting acquainted and finding the
strength of each other.
Now discussion are flowing freely. We have consensus on PPMC ==
Committer as long as we are in incubator.How has the project developed
since the last report?
TO_BE_AGREED_ON, We are working hard on making a stable kernel, so we
can more easily add more developers.
Date of last release: TO_BE_AGREED_ON noneWhen were the last
committers or PMC members elected?TO_BE_AGREED_ON 31-12-2014 added 1
committer/PPMCSigned-off-by: [ ](corinthia) Daniel Gruno [
](corinthia) Jan IversenShepherd/Mentor notes:--------------------
I will update the wiki once we have agreed to the text, and ask daniel
to sign together with me.
Looking forward to hear your comments.
rgds
jan I.
Re: time for our first "board" report.
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 1 January 2015 at 20:31, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org>
wrote:
> Nicely done.
>
> -- replying below to --
> From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
> Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 01:07
> To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org; Dennis Hamilton
> Subject: Re: time for our first "board" report.
>
> Sorry for top posting.
>
> We dont want gatekeepers, I have updated the podling report with my
> suggestions
>
> link is https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015
> Search for Corinthia.
>
> If you dont have a wiki account, and want changes....either make a wiki
> account, or mail the list and I will do the edit.
>
> <orcmid>
> I looked at the layout and I did some indentation to have the
> structure be more like some of the other reports in the file.
>
> I adjusted a few wordings. I didn't change the sense of anything.
> I did make it plain that this is the first report for Corinthia.
>
> I corrected the one date to use ISO 8601 format [;<).
>
> There's at least one item that is not objectionable, but it does
> mean we should be discussing it among ourselves. I'll raise that
> separately.
>
I agree with your changes, and I did see your other email which I will
respond to.
Thanks for taking care of especially the language. Regarding formatting, be
aware that the template of the report is generated automatically, and we
only respond to the questions.
rgds
jan i.
> </orcmid>
>
> Report will be frozen wednesday 7 of january.
>
> rgds
> jan i.
>
>
> [ ... ]
>
>
RE: time for our first "board" report.
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
Nicely done.
-- replying below to --
From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 01:07
To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org; Dennis Hamilton
Subject: Re: time for our first "board" report.
Sorry for top posting.
We dont want gatekeepers, I have updated the podling report with my
suggestions
link is https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015
Search for Corinthia.
If you dont have a wiki account, and want changes....either make a wiki
account, or mail the list and I will do the edit.
<orcmid>
I looked at the layout and I did some indentation to have the
structure be more like some of the other reports in the file.
I adjusted a few wordings. I didn't change the sense of anything.
I did make it plain that this is the first report for Corinthia.
I corrected the one date to use ISO 8601 format [;<).
There's at least one item that is not objectionable, but it does
mean we should be discussing it among ourselves. I'll raise that
separately.
</orcmid>
Report will be frozen wednesday 7 of january.
rgds
jan i.
[ ... ]
Re: time for our first "board" report.
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
Sorry for top posting.
We dont want gatekeepers, I have updated the podling report with my
suggestions
link is https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015
Search for Corinthia.
If you dont have a wiki account, and want changes....either make a wiki
account, or mail the list and I will do the edit.
Report will be frozen wednesday 7 of january.
rgds
jan i.
On 31 December 2014 at 20:41, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org>
wrote:
> Minor technicality: It's our first Incubator report.
>
> -- replying below to --
> From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 09:03
> To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org; Dennis Hamilton
> Subject: Re: time for our first "board" report.
>
> On 31 December 2014 at 17:32, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org>
> wrote:
>
> > The copied material below is very difficult to follow. I find it more
> > useful to look at the material in the form it is in at
> > <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015>.
> >
> If we agree on it, I can add my suggestions to the wiki. I was just
> hesitating to make "my" wording public, before the community at large had
> their say.
>
> <orcmid>
> It is easier to see it in context, and those new to this can see
> how other podlings work out their reports.
> </orcmid>
>
> >
> > Questions:
> > 1. When must this be completed and signed off so the shepherd can
> > add remarks, mentors can sign off, and it is available on time
> > for inclusion in the IPMC report to the board?
> >
> If you look at the top of the wiki page, you will see (extract):
>
> January 7, report due.
> January 11, shepherd review
> January 13, mentor signoff
>
> Our shepherd is Raphael Bircher, which some of us know from AOO. I will
> contact him directly once we agree on the report.
>
>
> >
> > 2. This file is available for anyone to edit (committers at least).
> > Is there some objection to having anyone with Incubator Wiki
> > editing rights from also working on this report? It is unusual
> > in my experience for there to be so much gatekeeping. (Of
> > course there should be accounting for changes and discussion
> > here.)
> >
> I would prefer that we make one edit once we agree. I would NOT like to use
> that wiki as our discussion place. Actually I have to say this a bit
> stronger, if we all edit that file, I will not edit it.
>
> I strongly feel, we should NOT make our answers available on that wiki
> before we agree on the content. I promise for next month our wiki will be
> up and running, and then our report will be available there. On OUR wiki I
> agree that everybody shall edit directly, and once agreed to ONE PPMC, move
> the responses to the incubator Wiki.
>
> I hope the difference between OUR discussion and PUBLIC discussion are
> clear...we as a community must be able to discuss freely, without going
> public.
>
> <orcmid>
> I have never seen a situation where this was a problem.
> I can't imagine it being a problem with the project being so small.
> It is true that if there is disagreement, it should not turn into
> edit wars on the wiki. It should be discussed on the list.
> My experience is that there is collaborative refinement and it all
> works by effective consensus.
> I am concerned that we're putting too much friction into this
> pretty-straightforward activity.
> </orcmid>
>
> We have a problem this month, because I have not had enough spare cycles to
> make our wiki available, hence the "rescue" procedure. If needed I can
> extract the question, and my suggested answer.
>
> <orcmid>
> Please do.
> </orcmid>
>
> <orcmid>
> I don't understand the quandary here.
> I am concerned that there is too much gate-keeping and that
> makes the gate-keeper a bottleneck.
> I'm not certain what is being rescued either. There are 7 days
> to work this out.
> </orcmid>
>
> @dennis please read my words positively, because in essence I agree with
> transparency....but towards our community, not the world.
>
> <orcmid>
> It seems that there are different ideas about community as it is
> and we wish it to become. We are already visible to the world
> that wants to pay attention. The ASF sets up that way. Part of
> transparency has to do with visibility to future interested
> parties and also their recognition of how accountability is
> demonstrated here.
> </orcmid>
>
> rgds
> jan i.
>
> >
> > - Dennis
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 07:05
> > To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: time for our first "board" report.
> >
> > Hi all.
> >
> > The procedure for podling reports is pretty simple.
> >
> > - For the first 3 month we have to submit a report every month, then
> every
> > 3 month.
> > - Reports are done in the wiki
> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015
> > - It is the PPMC responsibility to fill out the reports.
> > - The mentors must sign off the report, for it to be accepted.
> >
> >
> > The report follow a template, I have copied it below, look for
> > "TO_BE_AGREED_ON", that is our text. I have made a proposal but hope to
> get
> > many comments:
> >
> > --------------------CorinthiaCorinthia is a toolkit/application for
> > converting between and editing commonoffice file formats, with an
> > initial focus on word processing. It is designedto cater for multiple
> > classes of platforms - desktop, web, and mobile - andrelies heavily on
> > web technologies such as HTML, CSS, and JavaScript forrepresenting and
> > manipulating documents. The toolkit is small, portable, andflexible,
> > with minimal dependencies. The target audience is developers wishingto
> > include office viewing, conversion, and editing functionality into
> > theirapplications.Corinthia has been incubating since 2014-12-08.Three
> > most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: 1.
> > TO_BE_AGREED_ON, complete the move to ASF infrastructure 2.
> > TO_BE_AGREED_ON, Discuss and decide on a medium term roadplan 3.
> > TO_BE_AGREED_ON, Grow the communityAny issues that the Incubator PMC
> > (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to beaware of?TO_BE_AGREED_ON none.How
> > has the community developed since the last report?TO_BE_AGREED_ON We
> > have spend a lot of mail on getting acquainted and finding the
> > strength of each other.
> >
> > Now discussion are flowing freely. We have consensus on PPMC ==
> > Committer as long as we are in incubator.How has the project developed
> > since the last report?
> > TO_BE_AGREED_ON, We are working hard on making a stable kernel, so we
> > can more easily add more developers.
> > Date of last release: TO_BE_AGREED_ON noneWhen were the last
> > committers or PMC members elected?TO_BE_AGREED_ON 31-12-2014 added 1
> > committer/PPMCSigned-off-by: [ ](corinthia) Daniel Gruno [
> > ](corinthia) Jan IversenShepherd/Mentor notes:--------------------
> >
> > I will update the wiki once we have agreed to the text, and ask daniel
> > to sign together with me.
> >
> > Looking forward to hear your comments.
> > rgds
> > jan I.
> >
> >
>
>
RE: time for our first "board" report.
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
Minor technicality: It's our first Incubator report.
-- replying below to --
From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 09:03
To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org; Dennis Hamilton
Subject: Re: time for our first "board" report.
On 31 December 2014 at 17:32, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org>
wrote:
> The copied material below is very difficult to follow. I find it more
> useful to look at the material in the form it is in at
> <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015>.
>
If we agree on it, I can add my suggestions to the wiki. I was just
hesitating to make "my" wording public, before the community at large had
their say.
<orcmid>
It is easier to see it in context, and those new to this can see
how other podlings work out their reports.
</orcmid>
>
> Questions:
> 1. When must this be completed and signed off so the shepherd can
> add remarks, mentors can sign off, and it is available on time
> for inclusion in the IPMC report to the board?
>
If you look at the top of the wiki page, you will see (extract):
January 7, report due.
January 11, shepherd review
January 13, mentor signoff
Our shepherd is Raphael Bircher, which some of us know from AOO. I will
contact him directly once we agree on the report.
>
> 2. This file is available for anyone to edit (committers at least).
> Is there some objection to having anyone with Incubator Wiki
> editing rights from also working on this report? It is unusual
> in my experience for there to be so much gatekeeping. (Of
> course there should be accounting for changes and discussion
> here.)
>
I would prefer that we make one edit once we agree. I would NOT like to use
that wiki as our discussion place. Actually I have to say this a bit
stronger, if we all edit that file, I will not edit it.
I strongly feel, we should NOT make our answers available on that wiki
before we agree on the content. I promise for next month our wiki will be
up and running, and then our report will be available there. On OUR wiki I
agree that everybody shall edit directly, and once agreed to ONE PPMC, move
the responses to the incubator Wiki.
I hope the difference between OUR discussion and PUBLIC discussion are
clear...we as a community must be able to discuss freely, without going
public.
<orcmid>
I have never seen a situation where this was a problem.
I can't imagine it being a problem with the project being so small.
It is true that if there is disagreement, it should not turn into
edit wars on the wiki. It should be discussed on the list.
My experience is that there is collaborative refinement and it all
works by effective consensus.
I am concerned that we're putting too much friction into this
pretty-straightforward activity.
</orcmid>
We have a problem this month, because I have not had enough spare cycles to
make our wiki available, hence the "rescue" procedure. If needed I can
extract the question, and my suggested answer.
<orcmid>
Please do.
</orcmid>
<orcmid>
I don't understand the quandary here.
I am concerned that there is too much gate-keeping and that
makes the gate-keeper a bottleneck.
I'm not certain what is being rescued either. There are 7 days
to work this out.
</orcmid>
@dennis please read my words positively, because in essence I agree with
transparency....but towards our community, not the world.
<orcmid>
It seems that there are different ideas about community as it is
and we wish it to become. We are already visible to the world
that wants to pay attention. The ASF sets up that way. Part of
transparency has to do with visibility to future interested
parties and also their recognition of how accountability is
demonstrated here.
</orcmid>
rgds
jan i.
>
> - Dennis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 07:05
> To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: time for our first "board" report.
>
> Hi all.
>
> The procedure for podling reports is pretty simple.
>
> - For the first 3 month we have to submit a report every month, then every
> 3 month.
> - Reports are done in the wiki
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015
> - It is the PPMC responsibility to fill out the reports.
> - The mentors must sign off the report, for it to be accepted.
>
>
> The report follow a template, I have copied it below, look for
> "TO_BE_AGREED_ON", that is our text. I have made a proposal but hope to get
> many comments:
>
> --------------------CorinthiaCorinthia is a toolkit/application for
> converting between and editing commonoffice file formats, with an
> initial focus on word processing. It is designedto cater for multiple
> classes of platforms - desktop, web, and mobile - andrelies heavily on
> web technologies such as HTML, CSS, and JavaScript forrepresenting and
> manipulating documents. The toolkit is small, portable, andflexible,
> with minimal dependencies. The target audience is developers wishingto
> include office viewing, conversion, and editing functionality into
> theirapplications.Corinthia has been incubating since 2014-12-08.Three
> most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: 1.
> TO_BE_AGREED_ON, complete the move to ASF infrastructure 2.
> TO_BE_AGREED_ON, Discuss and decide on a medium term roadplan 3.
> TO_BE_AGREED_ON, Grow the communityAny issues that the Incubator PMC
> (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to beaware of?TO_BE_AGREED_ON none.How
> has the community developed since the last report?TO_BE_AGREED_ON We
> have spend a lot of mail on getting acquainted and finding the
> strength of each other.
>
> Now discussion are flowing freely. We have consensus on PPMC ==
> Committer as long as we are in incubator.How has the project developed
> since the last report?
> TO_BE_AGREED_ON, We are working hard on making a stable kernel, so we
> can more easily add more developers.
> Date of last release: TO_BE_AGREED_ON noneWhen were the last
> committers or PMC members elected?TO_BE_AGREED_ON 31-12-2014 added 1
> committer/PPMCSigned-off-by: [ ](corinthia) Daniel Gruno [
> ](corinthia) Jan IversenShepherd/Mentor notes:--------------------
>
> I will update the wiki once we have agreed to the text, and ask daniel
> to sign together with me.
>
> Looking forward to hear your comments.
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>
Re: time for our first "board" report.
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 31 December 2014 at 17:32, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org>
wrote:
> The copied material below is very difficult to follow. I find it more
> useful to look at the material in the form it is in at
> <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015>.
>
If we agree on it, I can add my suggestions to the wiki. I was just
hesitating to make "my" wording public, before the community at large had
their say.
>
> Questions:
> 1. When must this be completed and signed off so the shepherd can
> add remarks, mentors can sign off, and it is available on time
> for inclusion in the IPMC report to the board?
>
If you look at the top of the wiki page, you will see (extract):
January 7, report due.
January 11, shepherd review
January 13, mentor signoff
Our shepherd is Raphael Bircher, which some of us know from AOO. I will
contact him directly once we agree on the report.
>
> 2. This file is available for anyone to edit (committers at least).
> Is there some objection to having anyone with Incubator Wiki
> editing rights from also working on this report? It is unusual
> in my experience for there to be so much gatekeeping. (Of
> course there should be accounting for changes and discussion
> here.)
>
I would prefer that we make one edit once we agree. I would NOT like to use
that wiki as our discussion place. Actually I have to say this a bit
stronger, if we all edit that file, I will not edit it.
I strongly feel, we should NOT make our answers available on that wiki
before we agree on the content. I promise for next month our wiki will be
up and running, and then our report will be available there. On OUR wiki I
agree that everybody shall edit directly, and once agreed to ONE PPMC, move
the responses to the incubator Wiki.
I hope the difference between OUR discussion and PUBLIC discussion are
clear...we as a community must be able to discuss freely, without going
public.
We have a problem this month, because I have not had enough spare cycles to
make our wiki available, hence the "rescue" procedure. If needed I can
extract the question, and my suggested answer.
@dennis please read my words positively, because in essence I agree with
transparency....but towards our community, not the world.
rgds
jan i.
>
> - Dennis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 07:05
> To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: time for our first "board" report.
>
> Hi all.
>
> The procedure for podling reports is pretty simple.
>
> - For the first 3 month we have to submit a report every month, then every
> 3 month.
> - Reports are done in the wiki
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015
> - It is the PPMC responsibility to fill out the reports.
> - The mentors must sign off the report, for it to be accepted.
>
>
> The report follow a template, I have copied it below, look for
> "TO_BE_AGREED_ON", that is our text. I have made a proposal but hope to get
> many comments:
>
> --------------------CorinthiaCorinthia is a toolkit/application for
> converting between and editing commonoffice file formats, with an
> initial focus on word processing. It is designedto cater for multiple
> classes of platforms - desktop, web, and mobile - andrelies heavily on
> web technologies such as HTML, CSS, and JavaScript forrepresenting and
> manipulating documents. The toolkit is small, portable, andflexible,
> with minimal dependencies. The target audience is developers wishingto
> include office viewing, conversion, and editing functionality into
> theirapplications.Corinthia has been incubating since 2014-12-08.Three
> most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: 1.
> TO_BE_AGREED_ON, complete the move to ASF infrastructure 2.
> TO_BE_AGREED_ON, Discuss and decide on a medium term roadplan 3.
> TO_BE_AGREED_ON, Grow the communityAny issues that the Incubator PMC
> (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to beaware of?TO_BE_AGREED_ON none.How
> has the community developed since the last report?TO_BE_AGREED_ON We
> have spend a lot of mail on getting acquainted and finding the
> strength of each other.
>
> Now discussion are flowing freely. We have consensus on PPMC ==
> Committer as long as we are in incubator.How has the project developed
> since the last report?
> TO_BE_AGREED_ON, We are working hard on making a stable kernel, so we
> can more easily add more developers.
> Date of last release: TO_BE_AGREED_ON noneWhen were the last
> committers or PMC members elected?TO_BE_AGREED_ON 31-12-2014 added 1
> committer/PPMCSigned-off-by: [ ](corinthia) Daniel Gruno [
> ](corinthia) Jan IversenShepherd/Mentor notes:--------------------
>
> I will update the wiki once we have agreed to the text, and ask daniel
> to sign together with me.
>
> Looking forward to hear your comments.
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>
RE: time for our first "board" report.
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
The copied material below is very difficult to follow. I find it more
useful to look at the material in the form it is in at
<http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015>.
Questions:
1. When must this be completed and signed off so the shepherd can
add remarks, mentors can sign off, and it is available on time
for inclusion in the IPMC report to the board?
2. This file is available for anyone to edit (committers at least).
Is there some objection to having anyone with Incubator Wiki
editing rights from also working on this report? It is unusual
in my experience for there to be so much gatekeeping. (Of
course there should be accounting for changes and discussion
here.)
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 07:05
To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org
Subject: time for our first "board" report.
Hi all.
The procedure for podling reports is pretty simple.
- For the first 3 month we have to submit a report every month, then every
3 month.
- Reports are done in the wiki http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015
- It is the PPMC responsibility to fill out the reports.
- The mentors must sign off the report, for it to be accepted.
The report follow a template, I have copied it below, look for
"TO_BE_AGREED_ON", that is our text. I have made a proposal but hope to get
many comments:
--------------------CorinthiaCorinthia is a toolkit/application for
converting between and editing commonoffice file formats, with an
initial focus on word processing. It is designedto cater for multiple
classes of platforms - desktop, web, and mobile - andrelies heavily on
web technologies such as HTML, CSS, and JavaScript forrepresenting and
manipulating documents. The toolkit is small, portable, andflexible,
with minimal dependencies. The target audience is developers wishingto
include office viewing, conversion, and editing functionality into
theirapplications.Corinthia has been incubating since 2014-12-08.Three
most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: 1.
TO_BE_AGREED_ON, complete the move to ASF infrastructure 2.
TO_BE_AGREED_ON, Discuss and decide on a medium term roadplan 3.
TO_BE_AGREED_ON, Grow the communityAny issues that the Incubator PMC
(IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to beaware of?TO_BE_AGREED_ON none.How
has the community developed since the last report?TO_BE_AGREED_ON We
have spend a lot of mail on getting acquainted and finding the
strength of each other.
Now discussion are flowing freely. We have consensus on PPMC ==
Committer as long as we are in incubator.How has the project developed
since the last report?
TO_BE_AGREED_ON, We are working hard on making a stable kernel, so we
can more easily add more developers.
Date of last release: TO_BE_AGREED_ON noneWhen were the last
committers or PMC members elected?TO_BE_AGREED_ON 31-12-2014 added 1
committer/PPMCSigned-off-by: [ ](corinthia) Daniel Gruno [
](corinthia) Jan IversenShepherd/Mentor notes:--------------------
I will update the wiki once we have agreed to the text, and ask daniel
to sign together with me.
Looking forward to hear your comments.
rgds
jan I.