Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter?

[Simon Kelly <ke...@ipe.fzk.de>]

Exception handling!?!
Object Orientation!!!???!!!!
Talking to another bloody language!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They killed FORTRAN! ..... You b*****ds!!!  ((c) South Park)

LOL




----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexandre Jaquet" <al...@freesurf.ch>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter?


> looks good :
>
> "Fortran 2000 is an upwardly-compatible extension of the current Fortran
> standard, Fortran 95, adding, among other things, support for exception
> handling, object-oriented programming, and improved interoperability with
> the C language. "
>
> Why not implement a framework like struts for fortran 2000 ?
> Ok I shut up...
>
> looooooooool
> --
> Alexandre Jaquet
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Kelly" <ke...@ipe.fzk.de>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter?
>
>
> > Please!!  No bad language on this site!!  ;-)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alexandre Jaquet" <al...@freesurf.ch>
> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter?
> >
> >
> > > lol what's about fortran 2000 ;)))
> > > http://www.j3-fortran.org/
> > >
> > > --
> > > Alexandre Jaquet
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff Kyser" <kt...@comcast.net>
> > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:38 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Never laugh! I just finished a project integrating a legacy app
> > > > written in FORTRAN into the back end of a Struts-fronted webapp.
> > > > Maybe those FORTRAN guys are smarter than we think - we've
> > > > all beaten our heads against the wall learning 6 different languages
> > > > and porting all our stuff, and they are still using libraries they
> wrote
> > > > 20 years ago.
> > > >
> > > > LOL,
> > > >
> > > > -jeff
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 08:31  AM, Simon Kelly wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Write your own cheques if you know FORTRAN!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
> > > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:22 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Yep. Once over 30 in IT your far too old to start already as far
as
> > > > >> most
> > > > >> employers are concerned. I gather that once over 35 you better
have
> > > > >> moved
> > > > > to
> > > > >> some kind of managerial position already if you dont want it to
be
> > > > >> your
> > > > > last
> > > > >> gig...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> (Disregard above if you know COBOL) ;-)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: Alexandre Jaquet [mailto:alexj@freesurf.ch]
> > > > >> Sent: Monday, 31 March 2003 22:14
> > > > >> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You had start when the market was pretty good. I've some friend
> > > > >> who have finish their degree last year -september-(one 29, one 40
> and
> > > > >> another one
> > > > >> 28) but they still didn't catch any job.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I finish my degree this year and I already have receive
proposition
> > > > >> from
> > > > >> three compagnies.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I think they are *to old* for most of the compagnies rigth now to
> > > > >> employ
> > > > >> them
> > > > >> as junior developper.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Alexandre Jaquet
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "Susan Bradeen" <Su...@softlanding.com>
> > > > >> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > >> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:57 PM
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Yep, Becky is right ... you are not alone. I am two years older
> than
> > > > >>> you
> > > > >>> Rick, and I just got into software development 4 1/2 years ago.
I
> > > > >>> came
> > > > >>> from a mechanical design background (with a BS in Civil
> > > > >>> Engineering). I
> > > > >>> get great support from my fellow developers here, but more often
> > than
> > > > > not
> > > > >>> I feel very much behind the 8-ball.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Susan Bradeen
> > > > >>> bradeen@softlanding.com
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On 03/31/2003 08:03:22 AM Becky Norum wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 23:44, Rick Reumann wrote:
> > > > >>>>> Does anyone else ever wake up going "Man, I feel overwhelmed.
> Too
> > > > > much
> > > > >>>>> too learn, not enough time." I started this computer stuff
> rather
> > > > > late
> > > > >>>>> in life and find it very difficult trying to pick out what to
> try
> > > > >>>>> concentrate my learning in. Bottom line is I have to put food
on
> > > > >>>>> the
> > > > >>>>> table for the family so I have to concentrate in skill sets
that
> > > > >>>>> are
> > > > >>>>> valuable (and not just fun:). I started this computer stuff
> rather
> > > > >>> late
> > > > >>>>> in life (4 years ago and I'm 33 now) and constantly wonder
"What
> > > > >>> should
> > > > >>>>> I concentrate on learning next?" When you spend too much time
> > > > > learning
> > > > >>>>> one area you fall behind in another. That's what I find so
> amazing
> > > > >>> about
> > > > >>>>> some of these job applications- is they put down tons of skill
> > sets
> > > > >>> and,
> > > > >>>>> sure there might be a few that truly 'know' all of the skill
> sets
> > > > >>>>> listed, but rarely have I come across that many people that
can
> > > > >>> honestly
> > > > >>>>> say they are proficient in all of them. Then it's also the
> > Catch-22
> > > > > of
> > > > >>>>> if you diverse too much you end up being "ok" at a lot of
stuff
> > but
> > > > >>> not
> > > > >>>>> really "good" at any one skill. It seems like in this market
> it's
> > > > > best
> > > > >>>>> to just concentrate on being very good at a few skill sets vs
> > > > >>>>> trying
> > > > >>> to
> > > > >>>>> learn everything, but I could be totally wrong there. All and
> all
> > > > > it's
> > > > >>>>> just very frustrating:) Ehhh I'm just venting... just ignore
me.
> > > > > Wish
> > > > >>> I
> > > > >>>>> could just start over and be a farmer in some little rural
> ho-dunk
> > > > >>> town
> > > > >>>>> where my greatest concerns would be whether God was going to
> > > > >>>>> provide
> > > > >>>>> enough rain for the crops.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Rick,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I often feel the way you do.  I didn't get into programming
until
> I
> > > > > was
> > > > >>>> 24.  (28 now..). Although I don't have children of my own, I
also
> > > > >>>> greatly value my time with my nephew, family and friends, and
> won't
> > > > > give
> > > > >>>> that up to cram more knowledge into my head.  It's also
important
> > to
> > > > > me
> > > > >>>> to spend time exercising and pursuing non-computer hobbies.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I've accepted that I can't compete with the 16-year old hacker
> who
> > > > > lives
> > > > >>>> for his/her computer.  Heck, my little (23-yo) brother has
> started
> > > > > being
> > > > >>>> the one I ask about many things, not the other way around.  ;)
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> You've got to keep your strengths in mind in order to stay
> > positive.
> > > > >>>> What were you doing those years before you started working with
> > > > >>>> computers?  I studied Biochemistry and worked a diverse range
of
> > > > >>>> jobs.
> > > > >>>> What are your interests outside of computers?  If you end up
> doing
> > > > >>>> consulting, relating to clients is very important.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> A close friend of mine a year older than you works as a
> specialized
> > > > > O/S
> > > > >>>> customer support professional.  She started programming, etc.
> when
> > > > >>>> she
> > > > >>>> was 29.  She took a position that allows her to use her
technical
> > > > > degree
> > > > >>>> yet emphasizes her "people" skills.  Consistently, she receives
> > very
> > > > >>>> positive feedback from Fortune 500 companies, feedback that
some
> of
> > > > > her
> > > > >>>> more "techie" coworkers do not, because they don't share her
> > ability
> > > > > to
> > > > >>>> talk to individuals less technically savvy than themselves.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I guess all I'm saying is that you're not alone, and don't get
> > > > >>>> discouraged.  I can speak only for myself, but I have a lot of
> > those
> > > > >>>> moments.  =)
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> --
> > > > >>>> Becky Norum
> > > > >>>> Database Administrator
> > > > >>>> Center for Subsurface Sensing and Imaging Systems (CenSSIS)
> > > > >>>> Northeastern University
> > > > >>>> http://www.censsis.neu.edu
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > >
> >
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