Preparing for Graduation?

[Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>]

Gang,

I'm curious to know if we should try to graduate Pivot out of the Incubator.

The main issue last time was lack of diversity, and I think Sandro and Noel
have picked up a lot of speed, and we can signs from a larger user communtiy
slowly building.

Legal issues were resolved long time ago.

Releases have been made.

Activity is stronger than ever.

I feel confident that a proposal to the Board in December meeting, after
passing a Incubator sign-off, will be received positively.

What do you all think?

-- Niclas

Re: Preparing for Graduation?

[Sandro Martini <sa...@gmail.com>]

Hi Greg,
good luck.

If you need someone in Europe, tell me :-) ...

Byeeee

Re: Preparing for Graduation?

[Christopher Brind <ch...@googlemail.com>]

+1  ;-)

Cool - good luck in your new role, Greg.

2009/11/16 Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>

> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Todd Volkert <tv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh and one other, potentially very important point: Greg no longer works
>>> for
>>> VMware, so our diversity of committers has implicitly gone up :)
>>>
>>
>> I didn't know if that was public knowledge or not yet...
>>
>
> It was not, but I guess it is now.  ;-)
>
> I now work for Cantina Consulting, a Boston-based consulting firm started
> by some former co-workers. Requisite shameless plug - if anyone is looking
> for Pivot (or other web-based) consulting services, please feel free to look
> us up.  :-)
>
>
>

Re: Preparing for Graduation?

[Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>]

> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Todd Volkert <tv...@gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> Oh and one other, potentially very important point: Greg no longer  
>> works for
>> VMware, so our diversity of committers has implicitly gone up :)
>
> I didn't know if that was public knowledge or not yet...

It was not, but I guess it is now.  ;-)

I now work for Cantina Consulting, a Boston-based consulting firm  
started by some former co-workers. Requisite shameless plug - if  
anyone is looking for Pivot (or other web-based) consulting services,  
please feel free to look us up.  :-)

Re: Preparing for Graduation?

[Greg Brown <gk...@me.com>]

> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Todd Volkert <tv...@gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> Oh and one other, potentially very important point: Greg no longer  
>> works for
>> VMware, so our diversity of committers has implicitly gone up :)
>
> I didn't know if that was public knowledge or not yet...

It was not, but I guess it is now.  ;-)

I now work for Cantina Consulting, a Boston-based consulting firm  
started by some former co-workers. Requisite shameless plug - if  
anyone is looking for Pivot (or other web-based) consulting services,  
please feel free to look us up.  :-)

Re: Preparing for Graduation?

[Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>]

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Todd Volkert <tv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh and one other, potentially very important point: Greg no longer works for
> VMware, so our diversity of committers has implicitly gone up :)

I didn't know if that was public knowledge or not yet, hence I left it
out... But yes, that fact plus that he continues as feverishly as ever
proves more strongly that it isn't a VMware effort.

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Sandro Martini
<sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Niclas,
>
>> What do you all think?
> yes, maybe it's the time ... but will you continue to support us, also after ?

As Martijn wrote, I normally lurk on dev@ and private@ for a while, a
bit longer on the latter, to ensure that there is no 'problems
brewing' that the ASF should be aware of. In this case, I may still
have a personal interest in putting the things to work, but right now
it looks bleak as I am taking up employment in 'traditional' dev shop
(not determined exactly which one yet), where this might be too
bleeding-edge.

Cheers
-- 
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Re: Preparing for Graduation?

[Todd Volkert <tv...@gmail.com>]

Oh and one other, potentially very important point: Greg no longer works for
VMware, so our diversity of committers has implicitly gone up :)

-T

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Todd Volkert <tv...@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 - I agree with all those points and would add one: we've been very
> self-sufficient the past two months (managing ourselves without the need for
> mentor intervention - as we will need to once we've graduated).
>
> -T
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>wrote:
>
>> Gang,
>>
>> I'm curious to know if we should try to graduate Pivot out of the
>> Incubator.
>>
>> The main issue last time was lack of diversity, and I think Sandro and
>> Noel
>> have picked up a lot of speed, and we can signs from a larger user
>> communtiy
>> slowly building.
>>
>> Legal issues were resolved long time ago.
>>
>> Releases have been made.
>>
>> Activity is stronger than ever.
>>
>> I feel confident that a proposal to the Board in December meeting, after
>> passing a Incubator sign-off, will be received positively.
>>
>> What do you all think?
>>
>> -- Niclas
>>
>
>

Re: Preparing for Graduation?

[Todd Volkert <tv...@gmail.com>]

+1 - I agree with all those points and would add one: we've been very
self-sufficient the past two months (managing ourselves without the need for
mentor intervention - as we will need to once we've graduated).

-T

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:

> Gang,
>
> I'm curious to know if we should try to graduate Pivot out of the
> Incubator.
>
> The main issue last time was lack of diversity, and I think Sandro and Noel
> have picked up a lot of speed, and we can signs from a larger user
> communtiy
> slowly building.
>
> Legal issues were resolved long time ago.
>
> Releases have been made.
>
> Activity is stronger than ever.
>
> I feel confident that a proposal to the Board in December meeting, after
> passing a Incubator sign-off, will be received positively.
>
> What do you all think?
>
> -- Niclas
>

Re: Preparing for Graduation?

[Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>]

>I would replace the o.a.pivot.collections.* with java.util.* collections.

Ha ha.  :-)

>Seriously: I agree with Niclas' evaluation and support graduation.

Agreed. Last time, our graduation story was a bit tenuous. Now it is much stronger. 

Also, most of the issues for Pivot 1.4 have been resolved, so we could easily time the release to coincide with graduation, should it happen.

G

Re: Preparing for Graduation?

[Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>]

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> What do you all think?

I would replace the o.a.pivot.collections.* with java.util.* collections.

*ducks*

Seriously: I agree with Niclas' evaluation and support graduation.

Martijn

Re: Preparing for Graduation?

[Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>]

I'm going to stick around as a lurker for a while post graduation and
help out wherever I can. When everything is running smoothly, I'll
probably drop my subscription to cut down on the number of incoming
messages in my inbox.

Note that Apache Members are allowed to subscribe to any
mailinglist—including private@ lists—even when they are not part of
the respective PMC, as part of their oversight duty. It doesn't give
them a binding vote, but they can listen to what happens inside the
community.

Martijn

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Sandro Martini
<sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Niclas,
>
>> What do you all think?
> yes, maybe it's the time ... but will you continue to support us, also after ?
>
> Bye,
> Sandro
>



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Re: Preparing for Graduation?

[Sandro Martini <sa...@gmail.com>]

Hi Niclas,

> What do you all think?
yes, maybe it's the time ... but will you continue to support us, also after ?

Bye,
Sandro