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[rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1 to
9.0 ?
Hi,
The company I work for has an UI app built using the Netbeans Rich Client Platform (RCP) 6.9.1 version. It has stopped working under JDK 9, and I got the job of figuring out what to do.
I think it would be best if we can move to Netbeans 9.0, instead of patching the 6.9.1 code. But before I look into it , I thought to ask:
a) is the RCP still supported as part of Netbeans 9.0
b) given that I expect the work might take possibly a month - is it better to look into moving to 10.0?
c) is the support for the RCP planned to continue in future?
Thanks,
Tanas Gjorgoski
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Re: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1
to 9.0 ?
Posted by tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Geertjan!
> On 18 Oct 2018, at 19:29, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> I'd recommend using Apache NetBeans 10, of which there already is a voting candidate to try out, rather than Apache NetBeans 9.
>
> See the voting candidate for Apache NetBeans 10, which should be perfect to try out as the basis of your NetBeans Platform software:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/10vc1 <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/10vc1>
>
> If you have features or enhancements for the NetBeans Platform, please provide pull requests here:
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pulls <https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pulls>
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:01 PM Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com <ma...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
> https://www.chartsy.one/ <https://www.chartsy.one/>
>
> Take a look at the above, especially:
>
> https://www.chartsy.one/whats-new <https://www.chartsy.one/whats-new>
>
> Kind of wondering how Apache NetBeans can possibly exist without the support for RCP planned to continue in future, and hoping you'll contribute to it,
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 6:13 PM tanas gjorgoski <tgjorgoski@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The company I work for has an UI app built using the Netbeans Rich Client Platform (RCP) 6.9.1 version. It has stopped working under JDK 9, and I got the job of figuring out what to do.
> I think it would be best if we can move to Netbeans 9.0, instead of patching the 6.9.1 code. But before I look into it , I thought to ask:
> a) is the RCP still supported as part of Netbeans 9.0
> b) given that I expect the work might take possibly a month - is it better to look into moving to 10.0?
> c) is the support for the RCP planned to continue in future?
>
> Thanks,
> Tanas Gjorgoski
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Re: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1
to 9.0 ?
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
I'd recommend using Apache NetBeans 10, of which there already is a voting
candidate to try out, rather than Apache NetBeans 9.
See the voting candidate for Apache NetBeans 10, which should be perfect to
try out as the basis of your NetBeans Platform software:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/10vc1
If you have features or enhancements for the NetBeans Platform, please
provide pull requests here:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pulls
Gj
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:01 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> https://www.chartsy.one/
>
> Take a look at the above, especially:
>
> https://www.chartsy.one/whats-new
>
> Kind of wondering how Apache NetBeans can possibly exist without the
> support for RCP planned to continue in future, and hoping you'll contribute
> to it,
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 6:13 PM tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The company I work for has an UI app built using the Netbeans Rich Client
>> Platform (RCP) 6.9.1 version. It has stopped working under JDK 9, and I
>> got the job of figuring out what to do.
>> I think it would be best if we can move to Netbeans 9.0, instead of
>> patching the 6.9.1 code. But before I look into it , I thought to ask:
>> a) is the RCP still supported as part of Netbeans 9.0
>> b) given that I expect the work might take possibly a month - is it
>> better to look into moving to 10.0?
>> c) is the support for the RCP planned to continue in future?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tanas Gjorgoski
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Re: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1
to 9.0 ?
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
https://www.chartsy.one/
Take a look at the above, especially:
https://www.chartsy.one/whats-new
Kind of wondering how Apache NetBeans can possibly exist without the
support for RCP planned to continue in future, and hoping you'll contribute
to it,
Gj
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 6:13 PM tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The company I work for has an UI app built using the Netbeans Rich Client
> Platform (RCP) 6.9.1 version. It has stopped working under JDK 9, and I
> got the job of figuring out what to do.
> I think it would be best if we can move to Netbeans 9.0, instead of
> patching the 6.9.1 code. But before I look into it , I thought to ask:
> a) is the RCP still supported as part of Netbeans 9.0
> b) given that I expect the work might take possibly a month - is it better
> to look into moving to 10.0?
> c) is the support for the RCP planned to continue in future?
>
> Thanks,
> Tanas Gjorgoski
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Re: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1
to 9.0 ?
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
The RCP is still supported and will be. I don't think 9.0 versus 10.0
will matter in terms of RCP, so if you have to pick something, go with
the latest version.
Backporting stuff for 6.9.1 might be an option depending how expensive
the migration is going to be, but I think there's value in the
migration itself.
--emi
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:13 PM tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The company I work for has an UI app built using the Netbeans Rich Client Platform (RCP) 6.9.1 version. It has stopped working under JDK 9, and I got the job of figuring out what to do.
> I think it would be best if we can move to Netbeans 9.0, instead of patching the 6.9.1 code. But before I look into it , I thought to ask:
> a) is the RCP still supported as part of Netbeans 9.0
> b) given that I expect the work might take possibly a month - is it better to look into moving to 10.0?
> c) is the support for the RCP planned to continue in future?
>
> Thanks,
> Tanas Gjorgoski
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RE: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1
to 9.0 ?
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
> do newer versions support building the Netbeans Platform apps using maven too?
Yes--myself I moved from Ant to Maven for my own platform app a few years ago. It works great.
(Note that for maven builds, platform developers must build the platform artifacts themselves using the nb-repository-plugin until https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-467 is resolved. I added a comment to that bug with the commands I used.)
-- Eirik
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From: tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 6:08 AM
To: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>
Cc: NetBeans Mailing List <us...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1 to 9.0 ?
Thanks Eric!
It seems we are using ant build, but with a gradle wrapper which injects the maven dependencies.
Looking at our code I'm under impression that ant is the only option, do newer versions support building the Netbeans Platform apps using maven too?
If so, that would be great!
Tanas
> On 19 Oct 2018, at 03:47, Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, Tanas.
>
>> It has stopped working under JDK 9, and I got the job of figuring out what to do.
> Yes, you'll need to use the 9.0 version of the NetBeans Platform or above to work with Java 9 or above.
>
> a) is the RCP still supported as part of Netbeans 9.0 Yes! I'm
> maintaining a NetBeans Platform (=RCP) application myself.
>
> b) given that I expect the work might take possibly a month - is it better to look into moving to 10.0?
> Yes, I'd move to 10.0. There's not a substantial difference from 9.0 to 10.0 from an RCP point of view, just lots of bugfixes.
>
> I'd start by moving to 8.2 (the last pre-Apache version) and fixing any issues you get up to that point. Then you can switch to 10. If you hit too many problems at once, just go up one version at the time.
>
> c) is the support for the RCP planned to continue in future?
> As long as NetBeans exists as an IDE, the RCP will continue to work. The NetBeans IDE is just another NetBeans Platform application.
>
> Which build system are you using--ant or maven?
>
> -- Eirik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1 to 9.0 ?
>
> Hi,
>
> The company I work for has an UI app built using the Netbeans Rich Client Platform (RCP) 6.9.1 version. It has stopped working under JDK 9, and I got the job of figuring out what to do.
> I think it would be best if we can move to Netbeans 9.0, instead of patching the 6.9.1 code. But before I look into it , I thought to ask:
> a) is the RCP still supported as part of Netbeans 9.0
> b) given that I expect the work might take possibly a month - is it better to look into moving to 10.0?
> c) is the support for the RCP planned to continue in future?
>
> Thanks,
> Tanas Gjorgoski
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Re: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1
to 9.0 ?
Posted by tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Eirik!
That definitely seems like a promising path to take.
Also thanks for the script you attached to the jira ticket, it should be a big help!
> On 19 Oct 2018, at 15:55, Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
>
>> That is - the Netbeans Platform code itself needs first to be built (using "regular" ant build?) and put in maven repo?
> That's exactly right. (At least until https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-467 is resolved.)
>
>> I'm asking because I would like to keep it possible for us to be able to make modifications in the Netbeans Platform code too.
> Yes, then it makes sense to always build the platform sources yourself and populate your local maven repository using the nb-repository-plugin Maven plugin. That's what I do with my own platform application.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 9:10 AM
> To: Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
> Cc: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>; users@netbeans.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1 to 9.0 ?
>
> Thanks for the link Neil!
>
> I read through the text. Am I right thinking that in this case the Netbeans Platform jars are maven dependency of the App, and they are downloaded from a maven repo?
> That is - the Netbeans Platform code itself needs first to be built (using "regular" ant build?) and put in maven repo?
> I'm asking because I would like to keep it possible for us to be able to make modifications in the Netbeans Platform code too.
>
> Thanks,
> Tanas
>
>
>> On 19 Oct 2018, at 12:17, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 11:08, tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It seems we are using ant build, but with a gradle wrapper which injects the maven dependencies.
>>> Looking at our code I'm under impression that ant is the only option, do newer versions support building the Netbeans Platform apps using maven too?
>>> If so, that would be great!
>>
>> I have a feeling 6.9 did! ;-)
>> https://platform.netbeans.org/tutorials/69/nbm-maven-quickstart.html
>>
>> Interesting you're doing that with a gradle wrapper - wonder if anyone
>> has used Ivy with the RCP?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Neil
>>
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RE: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1
to 9.0 ?
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
> That is - the Netbeans Platform code itself needs first to be built (using "regular" ant build?) and put in maven repo?
That's exactly right. (At least until https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-467 is resolved.)
> I'm asking because I would like to keep it possible for us to be able to make modifications in the Netbeans Platform code too.
Yes, then it makes sense to always build the platform sources yourself and populate your local maven repository using the nb-repository-plugin Maven plugin. That's what I do with my own platform application.
-----Original Message-----
From: tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 9:10 AM
To: Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
Cc: Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>; users@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1 to 9.0 ?
Thanks for the link Neil!
I read through the text. Am I right thinking that in this case the Netbeans Platform jars are maven dependency of the App, and they are downloaded from a maven repo?
That is - the Netbeans Platform code itself needs first to be built (using "regular" ant build?) and put in maven repo?
I'm asking because I would like to keep it possible for us to be able to make modifications in the Netbeans Platform code too.
Thanks,
Tanas
> On 19 Oct 2018, at 12:17, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 11:08, tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It seems we are using ant build, but with a gradle wrapper which injects the maven dependencies.
>> Looking at our code I'm under impression that ant is the only option, do newer versions support building the Netbeans Platform apps using maven too?
>> If so, that would be great!
>
> I have a feeling 6.9 did! ;-)
> https://platform.netbeans.org/tutorials/69/nbm-maven-quickstart.html
>
> Interesting you're doing that with a gradle wrapper - wonder if anyone
> has used Ivy with the RCP?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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Re: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1
to 9.0 ?
Posted by tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for the link Neil!
I read through the text. Am I right thinking that in this case the Netbeans Platform jars are maven dependency of the App, and they are downloaded from a maven repo?
That is - the Netbeans Platform code itself needs first to be built (using "regular" ant build?) and put in maven repo?
I'm asking because I would like to keep it possible for us to be able to make modifications in the Netbeans Platform code too.
Thanks,
Tanas
> On 19 Oct 2018, at 12:17, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 11:08, tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It seems we are using ant build, but with a gradle wrapper which injects the maven dependencies.
>> Looking at our code I'm under impression that ant is the only option, do newer versions support building the Netbeans Platform apps using maven too?
>> If so, that would be great!
>
> I have a feeling 6.9 did! ;-)
> https://platform.netbeans.org/tutorials/69/nbm-maven-quickstart.html
>
> Interesting you're doing that with a gradle wrapper - wonder if anyone
> has used Ivy with the RCP?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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Re: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1
to 9.0 ?
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 11:08, tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It seems we are using ant build, but with a gradle wrapper which injects the maven dependencies.
> Looking at our code I'm under impression that ant is the only option, do newer versions support building the Netbeans Platform apps using maven too?
> If so, that would be great!
I have a feeling 6.9 did! ;-)
https://platform.netbeans.org/tutorials/69/nbm-maven-quickstart.html
Interesting you're doing that with a gradle wrapper - wonder if anyone
has used Ivy with the RCP?
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1
to 9.0 ?
Posted by tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Eric!
It seems we are using ant build, but with a gradle wrapper which injects the maven dependencies.
Looking at our code I'm under impression that ant is the only option, do newer versions support building the Netbeans Platform apps using maven too?
If so, that would be great!
Tanas
> On 19 Oct 2018, at 03:47, Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, Tanas.
>
>> It has stopped working under JDK 9, and I got the job of figuring out what to do.
> Yes, you'll need to use the 9.0 version of the NetBeans Platform or above to work with Java 9 or above.
>
> a) is the RCP still supported as part of Netbeans 9.0
> Yes! I'm maintaining a NetBeans Platform (=RCP) application myself.
>
> b) given that I expect the work might take possibly a month - is it better to look into moving to 10.0?
> Yes, I'd move to 10.0. There's not a substantial difference from 9.0 to 10.0 from an RCP point of view, just lots of bugfixes.
>
> I'd start by moving to 8.2 (the last pre-Apache version) and fixing any issues you get up to that point. Then you can switch to 10. If you hit too many problems at once, just go up one version at the time.
>
> c) is the support for the RCP planned to continue in future?
> As long as NetBeans exists as an IDE, the RCP will continue to work. The NetBeans IDE is just another NetBeans Platform application.
>
> Which build system are you using--ant or maven?
>
> -- Eirik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1 to 9.0 ?
>
> Hi,
>
> The company I work for has an UI app built using the Netbeans Rich Client Platform (RCP) 6.9.1 version. It has stopped working under JDK 9, and I got the job of figuring out what to do.
> I think it would be best if we can move to Netbeans 9.0, instead of patching the 6.9.1 code. But before I look into it , I thought to ask:
> a) is the RCP still supported as part of Netbeans 9.0
> b) given that I expect the work might take possibly a month - is it better to look into moving to 10.0?
> c) is the support for the RCP planned to continue in future?
>
> Thanks,
> Tanas Gjorgoski
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RE: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1
to 9.0 ?
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
Hi, Tanas.
> It has stopped working under JDK 9, and I got the job of figuring out what to do.
Yes, you'll need to use the 9.0 version of the NetBeans Platform or above to work with Java 9 or above.
a) is the RCP still supported as part of Netbeans 9.0
Yes! I'm maintaining a NetBeans Platform (=RCP) application myself.
b) given that I expect the work might take possibly a month - is it better to look into moving to 10.0?
Yes, I'd move to 10.0. There's not a substantial difference from 9.0 to 10.0 from an RCP point of view, just lots of bugfixes.
I'd start by moving to 8.2 (the last pre-Apache version) and fixing any issues you get up to that point. Then you can switch to 10. If you hit too many problems at once, just go up one version at the time.
c) is the support for the RCP planned to continue in future?
As long as NetBeans exists as an IDE, the RCP will continue to work. The NetBeans IDE is just another NetBeans Platform application.
Which build system are you using--ant or maven?
-- Eirik
-----Original Message-----
From: tanas gjorgoski <tg...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 12:14 PM
To: users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: [rcp][platform] Moving UI application based on Netbeans RCP 6.9.1 to 9.0 ?
Hi,
The company I work for has an UI app built using the Netbeans Rich Client Platform (RCP) 6.9.1 version. It has stopped working under JDK 9, and I got the job of figuring out what to do.
I think it would be best if we can move to Netbeans 9.0, instead of patching the 6.9.1 code. But before I look into it , I thought to ask:
a) is the RCP still supported as part of Netbeans 9.0
b) given that I expect the work might take possibly a month - is it better to look into moving to 10.0?
c) is the support for the RCP planned to continue in future?
Thanks,
Tanas Gjorgoski
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