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Posted to dev@apex.apache.org by Thomas Weise <th...@datatorrent.com> on 2016/03/15 19:35:56 UTC

[MENTORS] Voting rules / bylaws draft

During the discussion about graduation it was brought up the we should
document the voting rules. My understanding was that these need to
established once we are approved as TLP as we are currently governed by
incubator rules.

I have created the bylaws draft:

<goog_1111302752>
https://github.com/apache/incubator-apex-site/pull/22/files

Looking for mentors review and also confirmation that this completes the
requirements for TLP.

There are 3 JIRAs pending that we are aiming to complete this week (PRs
referenced in 2 of them):

https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql
=project%20%3D%20APEXCORE%20and%20labels%20%3D%20tlp

Thanks,
Thomas

Re: [MENTORS] Voting rules / bylaws draft

Posted by Thomas Weise <th...@datatorrent.com>.

Thanks for the feedback so far. I will work on incorporating it.

We should continue to iterate to make sure the guidelines reflect what we
want and put it for vote. I also think that should happen outside the
graduation discussion and driven by the future PMC?

Thanks,
Thomas


On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > Just to be clear, it’s not strictly necessary to establish bylaws in
> order to graduate. The “tasked with creating bylaws” section of graduation
> resolutions isn’t really necessary, but gets included due to copy/paste.
>
> +1 to that :-)
>
> > That being said, there’s nothing wrong with establishing bylaws at this
> point. But you should be careful that the PPMC has consensus around what is
> being proposed, since it can be difficult to change them once established
> (most projects require a 2/3 majority to change bylaws).
>
> I notice a couple of things in the current guideline state all PMC member
> need to vote that not easily obtained for a number of reasons, particular
> as more PMC members are added. You may want to consider changing that.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin

Re: [MENTORS] Voting rules / bylaws draft

Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.

Hi,

> Just to be clear, it’s not strictly necessary to establish bylaws in order to graduate. The “tasked with creating bylaws” section of graduation resolutions isn’t really necessary, but gets included due to copy/paste.

+1 to that :-)

> That being said, there’s nothing wrong with establishing bylaws at this point. But you should be careful that the PPMC has consensus around what is being proposed, since it can be difficult to change them once established (most projects require a 2/3 majority to change bylaws).

I notice a couple of things in the current guideline state all PMC member need to vote that not easily obtained for a number of reasons, particular as more PMC members are added. You may want to consider changing that.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [MENTORS] Voting rules / bylaws draft

Posted by "P. Taylor Goetz" <pt...@gmail.com>.

Just to be clear, it’s not strictly necessary to establish bylaws in order to graduate. The “tasked with creating bylaws” section of graduation resolutions isn’t really necessary, but gets included due to copy/paste.

Bylaws become necessary when you deviate from standard ASF practices. Most voting rules are covered here [1].

That being said, there’s nothing wrong with establishing bylaws at this point. But you should be careful that the PPMC has consensus around what is being proposed, since it can be difficult to change them once established (most projects require a 2/3 majority to change bylaws).

I agree with Alan’s feedback in the pull request.

-Taylor

[1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html

> On Mar 17, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Alan Gates <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Some feedback given in the pull request.  In general I think this is a good start.
> 
> Alan.
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 01:12, Thomas Weise <th...@datatorrent.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Would be nice to get some feedback from our mentors.
>> 
>> Following page on voting process in general: http://www.apache
>> .org/foundation/voting.html
>> 
>> Is there a recommendation what should be defined in project specific
>> bylaws? To which extend can projects deviate from the general rules?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Thomas Weise <th...@datatorrent.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> During the discussion about graduation it was brought up the we should
>>> document the voting rules. My understanding was that these need to
>>> established once we are approved as TLP as we are currently governed by
>>> incubator rules.
>>> 
>>> I have created the bylaws draft:
>>> 
>>> <http://goog_1111302752>
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-apex-site/pull/22/files
>>> 
>>> Looking for mentors review and also confirmation that this completes the
>>> requirements for TLP.
>>> 
>>> There are 3 JIRAs pending that we are aiming to complete this week (PRs
>>> referenced in 2 of them):
>>> 
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql
>>> =project%20%3D%20APEXCORE%20and%20labels%20%3D%20tlp
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Thomas
>>> 
>>> 
>

Re: [MENTORS] Voting rules / bylaws draft

Posted by Alan Gates <al...@gmail.com>.

Some feedback given in the pull request.  In general I think this is a good start.

Alan.

> On Mar 17, 2016, at 01:12, Thomas Weise <th...@datatorrent.com> wrote:
> 
> Would be nice to get some feedback from our mentors.
> 
> Following page on voting process in general: http://www.apache
> .org/foundation/voting.html
> 
> Is there a recommendation what should be defined in project specific
> bylaws? To which extend can projects deviate from the general rules?
> 
> Thanks,
> Thomas
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Thomas Weise <th...@datatorrent.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> During the discussion about graduation it was brought up the we should
>> document the voting rules. My understanding was that these need to
>> established once we are approved as TLP as we are currently governed by
>> incubator rules.
>> 
>> I have created the bylaws draft:
>> 
>> <http://goog_1111302752>
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-apex-site/pull/22/files
>> 
>> Looking for mentors review and also confirmation that this completes the
>> requirements for TLP.
>> 
>> There are 3 JIRAs pending that we are aiming to complete this week (PRs
>> referenced in 2 of them):
>> 
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql
>> =project%20%3D%20APEXCORE%20and%20labels%20%3D%20tlp
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
>> 
>>

Re: [MENTORS] Voting rules / bylaws draft

Posted by Thomas Weise <th...@datatorrent.com>.

Would be nice to get some feedback from our mentors.

Following page on voting process in general: http://www.apache
.org/foundation/voting.html

Is there a recommendation what should be defined in project specific
bylaws? To which extend can projects deviate from the general rules?

Thanks,
Thomas


On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Thomas Weise <th...@datatorrent.com>
wrote:

> During the discussion about graduation it was brought up the we should
> document the voting rules. My understanding was that these need to
> established once we are approved as TLP as we are currently governed by
> incubator rules.
>
> I have created the bylaws draft:
>
> <http://goog_1111302752>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-apex-site/pull/22/files
>
> Looking for mentors review and also confirmation that this completes the
> requirements for TLP.
>
> There are 3 JIRAs pending that we are aiming to complete this week (PRs
> referenced in 2 of them):
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql
> =project%20%3D%20APEXCORE%20and%20labels%20%3D%20tlp
>
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
>