Voting in committers

[Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>]

[This is a strange email for me to write as it seems like I'm 
overstepping my mark as a mentor - but this is getting in the way and 
has been discussed before]

A while ago the committers discussed whether or not they felt it was 
appropriate to vote me in as a committer. The general consensus appeared 
to be yes. However, there has not been a vote.

A committer needs to call a vote before I can become a committer and get 
on with work without filling up the patch queue.

The reasons for this are many, but the key ones are:

a) ensure there is an opportunity for all who may wish to object to do 
so (which for a podling includes the Incubator PMC)

b) ensure there is a proper record of community consensus

c) demonstrate to the community that this project follows the 
meritocratic processes found here in the ASF - that is, regardless of a 
persons standing in any other role (i.e. ASF Member and project champion 
in this case) they must still earn sufficient merit in this project 
before being granted the privilege of commit rights.

In the ASF we try not to call votes unnecessarily, but a few things do 
need formal votes as they can have a significant affect on the projects 
future and thus all members of the community (not just committers) 
should have an opportunity to state their opinion.

The full process for voting a committer is described under "Voting in a 
new committer" in http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html

Ross

Re: Voting in committers

[Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>]

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:08 AM, Scott Wilson
<sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> This was definitely on my to-do list before the christmas break - my main
> question being "how do I call the vote?".
>
> So do I have to start the voting process with a message to wookie-private?
>

Yes, basically send a simple e-mail to wookie-private and have the
subject more like :

[VOTE] Make <contributor name> a Wookie Committer

As I assume there has been a previous discussion about inviting the
contributor as a project committer, you could just mentioned that, or
copy portions of the initial discussion to the vote thread... just to
have something that highlight the contributor contributions as we will
need to have a similar vote in the IPMC.

Hope this helps, but let me know if you have other questions...


-- 
Luciano Resende
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://lresende.blogspot.com/

Re: Voting in committers

[Scott Wilson <sc...@gmail.com>]

On 16 Jan 2010, at 04:11, Luciano Resende wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>  
> wrote:
>> [This is a strange email for me to write as it seems like I'm  
>> overstepping
>> my mark as a mentor - but this is getting in the way and has been  
>> discussed
>> before]
>>
>> A while ago the committers discussed whether or not they felt it was
>> appropriate to vote me in as a committer. The general consensus  
>> appeared to
>> be yes. However, there has not been a vote.
>>
>> A committer needs to call a vote before I can become a committer  
>> and get on
>> with work without filling up the patch queue.
>>
>
> Totally agree, and believe you are well over due on getting
> committership status. Process wise, I'd recommend that, at least
> during incubation, all committer votes be held in the PPMC privete
> list, as they will need further approval from IPMC before the
> contributor can officially become a committer. After IPMC has
> approved, then the community can decide what to do, but sending a
> [NOTICE] e-mail to the dev list welcoming the new committer seems to
> be the common practice for podlings at least. As for who should start
> the vote, I also agree that this should be started by one of the
> current committers of the project and not a mentor.

This was definitely on my to-do list before the christmas break - my  
main question being "how do I call the vote?".

So do I have to start the voting process with a message to wookie- 
private?

>
>
> -- 
> Luciano Resende
> http://people.apache.org/~lresende
> http://lresende.blogspot.com/

Re: Voting in committers

[Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>]

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org> wrote:
> [This is a strange email for me to write as it seems like I'm overstepping
> my mark as a mentor - but this is getting in the way and has been discussed
> before]
>
> A while ago the committers discussed whether or not they felt it was
> appropriate to vote me in as a committer. The general consensus appeared to
> be yes. However, there has not been a vote.
>
> A committer needs to call a vote before I can become a committer and get on
> with work without filling up the patch queue.
>

Totally agree, and believe you are well over due on getting
committership status. Process wise, I'd recommend that, at least
during incubation, all committer votes be held in the PPMC privete
list, as they will need further approval from IPMC before the
contributor can officially become a committer. After IPMC has
approved, then the community can decide what to do, but sending a
[NOTICE] e-mail to the dev list welcoming the new committer seems to
be the common practice for podlings at least. As for who should start
the vote, I also agree that this should be started by one of the
current committers of the project and not a mentor.


-- 
Luciano Resende
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://lresende.blogspot.com/