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Posted to users@myfaces.apache.org by "Delbrouck, Henri-Philippe" <he...@siemens.com> on 2005/08/10 08:57:54 UTC
MyFaces with Exadel studio
Hi all,
Did someone already use Exadel studio with Eclipse to build a web
application using MyFaces.
What do you think about Exadel studio plugin. Is it a good idea to use it ?
Thanks for any advice.
Henri-Philippe Delbrouck
> Siemens Business Services
>
>
Re: MyFaces with Exadel studio
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>.
Hendrik Neumann wrote:
> No it ain't! I tried it but the Exadel-plugin has totally crashed my eclipse
> workbench under Linux.
The 3.0.3 works better and support if you send a mail to
support@exadel.com usually answers within minutes to hours.
(I am registered however)
I tried to contact the support-guys 3 times but they
> never anwsered me. So I had to solve the problem by my own - which costed me
> one day of work (great support, thanks a lot exadel).
>
But I agree the 3.0 dev previews crashed alot on me as well, I was close
to dropping it if the final would have been as unstable as well.
But the main advantage of Exadel over MyEclipse is the much much
better JSF Editing Drag and Dropping, and that you can keep the license
as soon as you opt out of the subscription service.
And the better hibernate capabilities, the rest definitely is better in
MyEclipse.
> Now I've bought MyEclipseIDE and I'm very happy with this tool. The price and
> the features are great and the guys in the support forum have even given me
> support at Christmas Eve (yes I had to work that day).
>
Yes... MyEclipse is a great tool, but currently lacks severely in the
viusal and drag and drop JSF departement unfortunately.
Re: MyFaces with Exadel studio
Posted by Hendrik Neumann <he...@web.de>.
No it ain't! I tried it but the Exadel-plugin has totally crashed my eclipse
workbench under Linux. I tried to contact the support-guys 3 times but they
never anwsered me. So I had to solve the problem by my own - which costed me
one day of work (great support, thanks a lot exadel).
Now I've bought MyEclipseIDE and I'm very happy with this tool. The price and
the features are great and the guys in the support forum have even given me
support at Christmas Eve (yes I had to work that day).
Greetings,
Hendrik
Re: MyFaces with Exadel studio
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>.
=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Carsten_Höhne?= wrote:
> Hello,
> Sorry, that was my fault. I do have exadel licensed and therfore 3.0.3
> is installed on my development computer.
> But i do have to restart Eclipse from time to time and to rebuild my
> projects. And sometimes a rmeoval of the .deployables directory.
> Exadel seems to have some prolems to update the webapp
> correctly.
Yes I noticed that as well, and also that the DB browser
seems to be broken in the final build of Exadel (regarding Oracle9 access)
The first issue is probably a windows locking problem, it helps
to remove the .deployables dir from time to time as you suggest.
Well, both plugin collections are not an example for being bug free,
MyEclipse was pretty bad in the past, but now they have grown they
definitely have become better in this regard.
One of the reasons why combining both is probably the best approach
because both have their bugs in different areas ;-)
Werner
> For your other statements, this is also my way :-)
>
>>Try to upgrade to Exadel 3.0.3 it does wonders for the stability
>>(3.0.2 crashed on me constantly 3.0.3 not)
>>Also on monday the next MyEclipse 4 milestone with the visual editor
>>for JSF/JSP and Struts will arrive, then it will be interesting which
>>tool is better in the visual area.
>>But in the end a combined approach with Exadel and MyEclipse gives the
>>best results and lets you bypass the errors both Plugin collections
>>have. Still cheaper than Nitrox that way.
>>
>
>
>
Re: MyFaces with Exadel studio
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>.
Ok gave it a testrun,
the new jsf editor is nice, there are lots
of wizards which ease the integration of
jsf backend beans, but the drag and drop
is not as extensive as in Exadel...
the new UML roundtripping although rather basic, is very very neat
Werner
Werner Punz wrote:
> Ok it seems that the latest MyEclipse build 4.0M3
> at least now is available via the update server
> the biggest new thing is reverse engineering from classes
> into UML and a split visual editor similar to Nitrox
> and Exadels and Oracles stuff, I am rather sure that it is not as
> extensive as the integration the ides above mentioned have, but I will
> give it a testrun this afternoon (since I have to do heavy struts
> editing anyway) and will give my final conclusion for now.
>
> But given the experiences I have had with MyEclipse, the moment of being
> able to drop either Exadel or MyEclipse pretty sure wont be reached,
> since the Exadel Drag and Drop stuff will probably not be reached by the
> latest milestone. But that is a wild guess for now.
>
> Werner
>
>
>
> =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Carsten_Höhne?= wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Sorry, that was my fault. I do have exadel licensed and therfore 3.0.3
>> is installed on my development computer. But i do have to restart
>> Eclipse from time to time and to rebuild my projects. And sometimes a
>> rmeoval of the .deployables directory. Exadel seems to have some
>> prolems to update the webapp correctly.
>> For your other statements, this is also my way :-)
>>
>>> Try to upgrade to Exadel 3.0.3 it does wonders for the stability
>>> (3.0.2 crashed on me constantly 3.0.3 not)
>>> Also on monday the next MyEclipse 4 milestone with the visual editor
>>> for JSF/JSP and Struts will arrive, then it will be interesting which
>>> tool is better in the visual area.
>>> But in the end a combined approach with Exadel and MyEclipse gives
>>> the best results and lets you bypass the errors both Plugin
>>> collections have. Still cheaper than Nitrox that way.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: MyFaces with Exadel studio
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>.
Ok it seems that the latest MyEclipse build 4.0M3
at least now is available via the update server
the biggest new thing is reverse engineering from classes
into UML and a split visual editor similar to Nitrox
and Exadels and Oracles stuff, I am rather sure that it is not as
extensive as the integration the ides above mentioned have, but I will
give it a testrun this afternoon (since I have to do heavy struts
editing anyway) and will give my final conclusion for now.
But given the experiences I have had with MyEclipse, the moment of being
able to drop either Exadel or MyEclipse pretty sure wont be reached,
since the Exadel Drag and Drop stuff will probably not be reached by the
latest milestone. But that is a wild guess for now.
Werner
=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Carsten_Höhne?= wrote:
> Hello,
> Sorry, that was my fault. I do have exadel licensed and therfore 3.0.3
> is installed on my development computer.
> But i do have to restart Eclipse from time to time and to rebuild my
> projects. And sometimes a rmeoval of the .deployables directory.
> Exadel seems to have some prolems to update the webapp
> correctly.
> For your other statements, this is also my way :-)
>
>>Try to upgrade to Exadel 3.0.3 it does wonders for the stability
>>(3.0.2 crashed on me constantly 3.0.3 not)
>>Also on monday the next MyEclipse 4 milestone with the visual editor
>>for JSF/JSP and Struts will arrive, then it will be interesting which
>>tool is better in the visual area.
>>But in the end a combined approach with Exadel and MyEclipse gives the
>>best results and lets you bypass the errors both Plugin collections
>>have. Still cheaper than Nitrox that way.
>>
>
>
>
Re: MyFaces with Exadel studio
Posted by =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Carsten_H�hne?= <ca...@fal.de>.
Hello,
Sorry, that was my fault. I do have exadel licensed and therfore 3.0.3
is installed on my development computer.
But i do have to restart Eclipse from time to time and to rebuild my
projects. And sometimes a rmeoval of the .deployables directory.
Exadel seems to have some prolems to update the webapp
correctly.
For your other statements, this is also my way :-)
> Try to upgrade to Exadel 3.0.3 it does wonders for the stability
> (3.0.2 crashed on me constantly 3.0.3 not)
> Also on monday the next MyEclipse 4 milestone with the visual editor
> for JSF/JSP and Struts will arrive, then it will be interesting which
> tool is better in the visual area.
> But in the end a combined approach with Exadel and MyEclipse gives the
> best results and lets you bypass the errors both Plugin collections
> have. Still cheaper than Nitrox that way.
>
Re: MyFaces with Exadel studio
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>.
Try to upgrade to Exadel 3.0.3 it does wonders for the stability
(3.0.2 crashed on me constantly 3.0.3 not)
Also on monday the next MyEclipse 4 milestone with the visual editor
for JSF/JSP and Struts will arrive, then it will be interesting which
tool is better in the visual area.
But in the end a combined approach with Exadel and MyEclipse gives the
best results and lets you bypass the errors both Plugin collections
have. Still cheaper than Nitrox that way.
Werner
=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Carsten_Höhne?= wrote:
> Hello
> i have tried the three ways:
> FacesIDE + corresponding plugins
> Myeclipse
> exadel Studio pro
>
> As of now i am using Eclipse 3.1 together with exadel studio Pro
> 3.02 and i am planning to retest myeclipse 4.0 as soon M3 will be
> accessible.
> My experinces so far:
> in April/may 2005 it was a hassle to assemble Eclipse out of different
> plugins. So the trail with FacesIDE was not followed further.
>
> Myeclipse brings all needed plugins and it installs out of the box.
> Same for exadel.
>
> Personally i like Myeclipse more than Exadel, but i have to do some
> tasks were Myeclipse has not the right tools, yet.
>
> Exadel was the first environment where i get a myfaces webapp to
> run (even with jscook menues).
>
> My advice: try both and decide yourself. For me i tend to use
> myeclipse, but from time to time i must use Exadel since they are
> faster in developing things that i need. Perhaps i should change my
> requirements but that is not an option.
> Ciao,
> Carsten Höhne
>
>
>
Re: MyFaces with Exadel studio
Posted by =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Carsten_H�hne?= <ca...@fal.de>.
Hello
i have tried the three ways:
FacesIDE + corresponding plugins
Myeclipse
exadel Studio pro
As of now i am using Eclipse 3.1 together with exadel studio Pro
3.02 and i am planning to retest myeclipse 4.0 as soon M3 will be
accessible.
My experinces so far:
in April/may 2005 it was a hassle to assemble Eclipse out of different
plugins. So the trail with FacesIDE was not followed further.
Myeclipse brings all needed plugins and it installs out of the box.
Same for exadel.
Personally i like Myeclipse more than Exadel, but i have to do some
tasks were Myeclipse has not the right tools, yet.
Exadel was the first environment where i get a myfaces webapp to
run (even with jscook menues).
My advice: try both and decide yourself. For me i tend to use
myeclipse, but from time to time i must use Exadel since they are
faster in developing things that i need. Perhaps i should change my
requirements but that is not an option.
Ciao,
Carsten Höhne