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Posted to dev@directory.apache.org by Alex Karasulu <ao...@bellsouth.net> on 2003/12/02 19:06:01 UTC
Directory IRC channel on irc.freenode.net
Guys is it worth getting an IRC channel on freenode.net?
Or are folks opposed to that sort of thing. This is just
a feeler to see if there is any interest. I know it may
cause problems with tracking things but perhaps we can find
ways around that.
Alex
Re: Directory IRC channel on irc.freenode.net
Posted by Wes McKean <wm...@logictrends.com>.
It's OK with me. I use Gaim, so it should handle IRC as well...
Wes
On Tuesday 02 December 2003 01:06 pm, Alex Karasulu wrote:
> Guys is it worth getting an IRC channel on freenode.net?
> Or are folks opposed to that sort of thing. This is just
> a feeler to see if there is any interest. I know it may
> cause problems with tracking things but perhaps we can find
> ways around that.
>
> Alex
Re: Directory IRC channel on irc.freenode.net
Posted by Phil Steitz <ph...@steitz.com>.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
>>Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>
>>>>Guys is it worth getting an IRC channel on freenode.net?
>>>>Or are folks opposed to that sort of thing.
>>>
>>>If we do it for developent discussions, I would like to see it logged,
>>
> with
>
>>>a copy of the log mailed daily to the mailing list.
>>
>
>>I disagree.
>>Development discussions are to be done *only* on this list, and reading
>>the logs is not a way of participating.
>
>
> Note that I said *IF*. I would not want to see habitual development
> discussion on IRC, nor should logging be a crutch to allow that to happen.
> However, I do recognize that some amount of synchronous discussion will
> happen, and would prefer that there be a single place, rather than different
> sets of people chatting on MSN, Y!, AIM, etc., without logging.
I agree. I think that this can work, as long as we all keep in mind that
we are not all always available to participate (my work firewall
effectively cuts me off) and decisioning needs to happen on the list.
Logging to the list will help keep us all in the loop on the real-time
discussions.
>
>
>>Having the logs would mean that someone could say "look in the logs",
>>which is really to avoid. IRC is for estemporary discussions and problem
>>solving, not for discussing project development.
>
>
> Your points (including those I clipped) are valid. My point was that when
> those discussions happen, the e-mailed logs will provide a means for others
> to see what was said. If there is a problem with IRC abuse, people will see
> it, and can police it.
I agree here too. We just need to make sure that, as pointed out above,
people know that the discussions are being logged.
Phil
>
> --- Noel
>
Re: Directory IRC channel on irc.freenode.net
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
...
> My point was that when those discussions happen, the e-mailed logs
> will provide a means for others to see what was said.
Exactly why I think logs should not take place. Others should not be
able to see what was said at all. If others not on IRC have to know, it
has to be said on the mailing list.
Not having a log makes it clear for those talking there that there will
be no other mean whatsoever for others to know what was said, except
posting a summary on the list.
Note though that this particular point about not having logs is just
MHO, not a policy. The policy is that discussion must happen on the
lists, and I know we agree on that.
Sorry for confusing the two in a single mail, as it seemed that I was
disagreeing with you in toto, which is not the case.
> If there is a problem with IRC abuse, people will see it, and can
> police it.
+1
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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RE: Directory IRC channel on irc.freenode.net
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > Guys is it worth getting an IRC channel on freenode.net?
> > > Or are folks opposed to that sort of thing.
> > If we do it for developent discussions, I would like to see it logged,
with
> > a copy of the log mailed daily to the mailing list.
> I disagree.
> Development discussions are to be done *only* on this list, and reading
> the logs is not a way of participating.
Note that I said *IF*. I would not want to see habitual development
discussion on IRC, nor should logging be a crutch to allow that to happen.
However, I do recognize that some amount of synchronous discussion will
happen, and would prefer that there be a single place, rather than different
sets of people chatting on MSN, Y!, AIM, etc., without logging.
> Having the logs would mean that someone could say "look in the logs",
> which is really to avoid. IRC is for estemporary discussions and problem
> solving, not for discussing project development.
Your points (including those I clipped) are valid. My point was that when
those discussions happen, the e-mailed logs will provide a means for others
to see what was said. If there is a problem with IRC abuse, people will see
it, and can police it.
--- Noel
Re: Directory IRC channel on irc.freenode.net
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>Guys is it worth getting an IRC channel on freenode.net?
>>Or are folks opposed to that sort of thing.
>
> If we do it for developent discussions, I would like to see it logged, with
> a copy of the log mailed daily to the mailing list.
I disagree.
Development discussions are to be done *only* on this list, and reading
the logs is not a way of participating.
Having the logs would mean that someone could say "look in the logs",
which is really to avoid. IRC is for estemporary discussions and problem
solving, not for discussing project development.
The main reason is that it's highly unfair for participants in other
timezones, as they would be cut off development. Another reason is that
there is much more noise in chats, while mails tend to show more
content. Finally, email threads are easier to review and search for than
IRC logs.
Remember that having development on this list is one of the primary
goals of incubation.
As some say, if it doesn't happen on the mailing lists, it just doesn't
happen.
http://incubator.apache.org/learn/mailing-lists.html
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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RE: Directory IRC channel on irc.freenode.net
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> Guys is it worth getting an IRC channel on freenode.net?
> Or are folks opposed to that sort of thing.
If we do it for developent discussions, I would like to see it logged, with
a copy of the log mailed daily to the mailing list.
--- Noel