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Posted to users@pulsar.apache.org by Yu <li...@apache.org> on 2021/12/08 05:36:46 UTC
[Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a top-level
project of the ASF in 2018.
Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would like to
thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More importantly,
thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for making this
happen!
Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
[image: image.png][image: image.png]
For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent updates, and
future plans, see here
<https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/>
.
Cheers,
Anonymitaet
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Yuva raj <uv...@gmail.com>.
Being an early adopter happy to see the tremendous growth of community,
contributions and features. Onwards and upwards !! Congratulations apache
pulsar team 🎉
On Wed, Dec 8, 2021, 11:07 AM Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
>
> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a top-level
> project of the ASF in 2018.
>
> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would like to
> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More importantly,
> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for making this
> happen!
>
> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
>
> [image: image.png][image: image.png]
> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent updates, and
> future plans, see here
> <https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/>
> .
>
> Cheers,
> Anonymitaet
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>.
Hi Dave and Chris / Joshua,
I appreciated the details that Dave brought that. The suggestions are
constructive. Our team has addressed those issues.
I will also consult the usage of the trademark with the trademarks team.
In regards to the other questions, I am happy to answer them if they are
not clear.
Thanks,
Sijie
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 3:34 PM Chris Latimer <ch...@chrislatimer.com>
wrote:
> Hi Sijie,
>
> I only see one of two possible explanations for your latest responses in
> this thread.
>
> Either you legitimately don't see how SN's marketing is tantamount to
> influence pedaling and how it's at odds with The Apache Way. That would be
> deeply concerning given that the problem is immediately evident to every
> non-SN person who has commented on the subject. As a PMC member the
> community counts on you to uphold Apache brand guidelines and policies and
> you would certainly be failing in your duties if you are genuinely unable
> to understand why there is a problem here.
>
> The other explanation is that you understand perfectly well what the
> problem is, but refuse to acknowledge it and refuse to take action to fix
> the situation. This is even more concerning since it suggests that you are
> willing to abuse your position on the PMC to advance your own business
> interests at the expense of the community. Even worse, you're willing to
> misrepresent and deceive the community with disingenuous explanations in
> order to do so.
>
> Frankly, either of these explanations call into question your fitness to
> carry out your duties as a PMC member for this project and to represent the
> Apache Pulsar community in your current capacity.
>
> Chris
>
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 12:44 PM Joshua Eric <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That is an additional problem, that a PMC member doesn’t see an issue
> with
> > an SN employee promoting a new SN hire.
> >
> > At least half a dozen people join the community daily. Why aren’t we
> > celebrating all of them? No offense, but why is Dave special?
> >
> > Chris, couldn’t have said it better myself.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 1:00 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't understand what is the problem with that email title.
> > >
> > > I thought that's Yu invited a co-worker to participate in the Pulsar
> > > community. There is no announcement. But I will let Yu clarify here.
> > >
> > > - Sijie
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:43 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Dec 10, 2021, at 11:10 AM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically
> > > > announce
> > > > > new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you mean by "announce new community members"?
> > > >
> > > > The email with the subject: "Welcome Dave Duggins to Pulsar
> community!"
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > - Sijie
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:02 AM Joshua Eric <joshuaeric@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I agree with Dave.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically
> > > > announce
> > > > >> new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Dec 9, 2021 at 3:24:29 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared
> out
> > > > >> insights
> > > > >>> on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog
> > posts,
> > > we
> > > > >>> have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack
> channel.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> - Sijie
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> OK. I see the new name.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community
> news
> > > > >> without
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <
> djwang@streamnative.io
> > > > >> .INVALID
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Best,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Dianjin Wang
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> Hi Dave,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> - Sijie
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <
> > wave4dave@comcast.net>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>> Hi Sijie,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning.
> There
> > > was
> > > > a
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check
> that
> > > > too.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>> Best Regards,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>> Dave
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Dave,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is
> > > fixing
> > > > >> it.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>> - Sijie
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <
> wave@apache.org>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> This is great news!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the
> > > Apache
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Way
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the
> > > community.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly
> > > with
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> Pulsar
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new
> > project
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>> updates,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one
> and
> > > only
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> place
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar
> > community.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific
> > > “Ambassador”
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>> program
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most
> of
> > > the
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> true
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work.
> [2]
> > > And
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> more
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+
> > > Apache
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> PMCs.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions
> > of
> > > > >> roles
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>> [4].
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these
> > roles.
> > > A
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>> project
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> All The Best,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Dave
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> [1]
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> [2]
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
> > >
> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> [4]
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> [5]
> > > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became
> a
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> top-level
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We
> > would
> > > > >> like
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> to
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> importantly,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer
> for
> > > > >> making
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>> this
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> happen!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent
> > > updates,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> and
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> future plans, see here.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Anonymitaet
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Chris Latimer <ch...@chrislatimer.com>.
Hi Sijie,
I only see one of two possible explanations for your latest responses in
this thread.
Either you legitimately don't see how SN's marketing is tantamount to
influence pedaling and how it's at odds with The Apache Way. That would be
deeply concerning given that the problem is immediately evident to every
non-SN person who has commented on the subject. As a PMC member the
community counts on you to uphold Apache brand guidelines and policies and
you would certainly be failing in your duties if you are genuinely unable
to understand why there is a problem here.
The other explanation is that you understand perfectly well what the
problem is, but refuse to acknowledge it and refuse to take action to fix
the situation. This is even more concerning since it suggests that you are
willing to abuse your position on the PMC to advance your own business
interests at the expense of the community. Even worse, you're willing to
misrepresent and deceive the community with disingenuous explanations in
order to do so.
Frankly, either of these explanations call into question your fitness to
carry out your duties as a PMC member for this project and to represent the
Apache Pulsar community in your current capacity.
Chris
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 12:44 PM Joshua Eric <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That is an additional problem, that a PMC member doesn’t see an issue with
> an SN employee promoting a new SN hire.
>
> At least half a dozen people join the community daily. Why aren’t we
> celebrating all of them? No offense, but why is Dave special?
>
> Chris, couldn’t have said it better myself.
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 1:00 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't understand what is the problem with that email title.
> >
> > I thought that's Yu invited a co-worker to participate in the Pulsar
> > community. There is no announcement. But I will let Yu clarify here.
> >
> > - Sijie
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:43 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Dec 10, 2021, at 11:10 AM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically
> > > announce
> > > > new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires.
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean by "announce new community members"?
> > >
> > > The email with the subject: "Welcome Dave Duggins to Pulsar community!"
> > >
> > > >
> > > > - Sijie
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:02 AM Joshua Eric <jo...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I agree with Dave.
> > > >>
> > > >> I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically
> > > announce
> > > >> new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Dec 9, 2021 at 3:24:29 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out
> > > >> insights
> > > >>> on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog
> posts,
> > we
> > > >>> have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> - Sijie
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> OK. I see the new name.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news
> > > >> without
> > > >>>
> > > >>> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <djwang@streamnative.io
> > > >> .INVALID
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Best,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Dianjin Wang
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> Hi Dave,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> - Sijie
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <
> wave4dave@comcast.net>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>> Hi Sijie,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There
> > was
> > > a
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that
> > > too.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>> Best Regards,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>> Dave
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>> Dave,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is
> > fixing
> > > >> it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>> - Sijie
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> This is great news!
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the
> > Apache
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Way
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the
> > community.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly
> > with
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> Pulsar
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new
> project
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>> updates,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and
> > only
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> place
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar
> community.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific
> > “Ambassador”
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>> program
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of
> > the
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> true
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2]
> > And
> > > >>>
> > > >>> more
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+
> > Apache
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> PMCs.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions
> of
> > > >> roles
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>> [4].
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these
> roles.
> > A
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>> project
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> All The Best,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Dave
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> [1]
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> [2]
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> [5]
> > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> top-level
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We
> would
> > > >> like
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> to
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
> > > >>>
> > > >>> importantly,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for
> > > >> making
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>> this
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> happen!
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent
> > updates,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> and
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> future plans, see here.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Anonymitaet
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Joshua Eric <jo...@gmail.com>.
That is an additional problem, that a PMC member doesn’t see an issue with
an SN employee promoting a new SN hire.
At least half a dozen people join the community daily. Why aren’t we
celebrating all of them? No offense, but why is Dave special?
Chris, couldn’t have said it better myself.
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 1:00 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't understand what is the problem with that email title.
>
> I thought that's Yu invited a co-worker to participate in the Pulsar
> community. There is no announcement. But I will let Yu clarify here.
>
> - Sijie
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:43 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 10, 2021, at 11:10 AM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically
> > announce
> > > new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires.
> > >
> > > What do you mean by "announce new community members"?
> >
> > The email with the subject: "Welcome Dave Duggins to Pulsar community!"
> >
> > >
> > > - Sijie
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:02 AM Joshua Eric <jo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I agree with Dave.
> > >>
> > >> I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically
> > announce
> > >> new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires.
> > >>
> > >> On Dec 9, 2021 at 3:24:29 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out
> > >> insights
> > >>> on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog posts,
> we
> > >>> have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel.
> > >>>
> > >>> - Sijie
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> OK. I see the new name.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news
> > >> without
> > >>>
> > >>> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <djwang@streamnative.io
> > >> .INVALID
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Best,
> > >>>
> > >>>> Dianjin Wang
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>> Hi Dave,
> > >>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
> > >>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>> - Sijie
> > >>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>
> > >>>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Sijie,
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There
> was
> > a
> > >>>
> > >>>>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that
> > too.
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>> Best Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>>>>> Dave
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>> Dave,
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is
> fixing
> > >> it.
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>> - Sijie
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> This is great news!
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the
> Apache
> > >>>
> > >>> Way
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the
> community.
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly
> with
> > >>>
> > >>>>> Pulsar
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new project
> > >>>
> > >>>>>> updates,
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and
> only
> > >>>
> > >>>>> place
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific
> “Ambassador”
> > >>>
> > >>>>>> program
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of
> the
> > >>>
> > >>>>> true
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2]
> And
> > >>>
> > >>> more
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+
> Apache
> > >>>
> > >>>>> PMCs.
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of
> > >> roles
> > >>>
> > >>>>>> [4].
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these roles.
> A
> > >>>
> > >>>>>> project
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> All The Best,
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> Dave
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> [1]
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> [2]
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> [5]
> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
> > >>>
> > >>>>> top-level
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would
> > >> like
> > >>>
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
> > >>>
> > >>> importantly,
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for
> > >> making
> > >>>
> > >>>>>> this
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> happen!
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent
> updates,
> > >>>
> > >>> and
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> future plans, see here.
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Anonymitaet
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>.
I don't understand what is the problem with that email title.
I thought that's Yu invited a co-worker to participate in the Pulsar
community. There is no announcement. But I will let Yu clarify here.
- Sijie
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:43 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> > On Dec 10, 2021, at 11:10 AM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically
> announce
> > new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires.
> >
> > What do you mean by "announce new community members"?
>
> The email with the subject: "Welcome Dave Duggins to Pulsar community!"
>
> >
> > - Sijie
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:02 AM Joshua Eric <jo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I agree with Dave.
> >>
> >> I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically
> announce
> >> new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires.
> >>
> >> On Dec 9, 2021 at 3:24:29 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out
> >> insights
> >>> on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog posts, we
> >>> have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel.
> >>>
> >>> - Sijie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> OK. I see the new name.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news
> >> without
> >>>
> >>> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <djwang@streamnative.io
> >> .INVALID
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>
> >>>> Dianjin Wang
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>>> Hi Dave,
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>> - Sijie
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>
> >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Hi Sijie,
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There was
> a
> >>>
> >>>>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that
> too.
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>>>>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Dave,
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is fixing
> >> it.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> - Sijie
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> This is great news!
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the Apache
> >>>
> >>> Way
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the community.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly with
> >>>
> >>>>> Pulsar
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new project
> >>>
> >>>>>> updates,
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and only
> >>>
> >>>>> place
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific “Ambassador”
> >>>
> >>>>>> program
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of the
> >>>
> >>>>> true
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2] And
> >>>
> >>> more
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ Apache
> >>>
> >>>>> PMCs.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of
> >> roles
> >>>
> >>>>>> [4].
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these roles. A
> >>>
> >>>>>> project
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> All The Best,
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> [2]
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> [5]
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
> >>>
> >>>>> top-level
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would
> >> like
> >>>
> >>>>> to
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
> >>>
> >>> importantly,
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for
> >> making
> >>>
> >>>>>> this
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> happen!
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent updates,
> >>>
> >>> and
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> future plans, see here.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Anonymitaet
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
> On Dec 10, 2021, at 11:10 AM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically announce
> new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires.
>
> What do you mean by "announce new community members"?
The email with the subject: "Welcome Dave Duggins to Pulsar community!"
>
> - Sijie
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:02 AM Joshua Eric <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Dave.
>>
>> I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically announce
>> new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires.
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2021 at 3:24:29 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out
>> insights
>>> on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog posts, we
>>> have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel.
>>>
>>> - Sijie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK. I see the new name.
>>>
>>>
>>> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news
>> without
>>>
>>> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <djwang@streamnative.io
>> .INVALID
>>>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>
>>>> Dianjin Wang
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> - Sijie
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sijie,
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There was a
>>>
>>>>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that too.
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Dave,
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is fixing
>> it.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> - Sijie
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> This is great news!
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the Apache
>>>
>>> Way
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the community.
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly with
>>>
>>>>> Pulsar
>>>
>>>>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new project
>>>
>>>>>> updates,
>>>
>>>>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
>>>
>>>>>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and only
>>>
>>>>> place
>>>
>>>>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
>>>
>>>>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific “Ambassador”
>>>
>>>>>> program
>>>
>>>>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of the
>>>
>>>>> true
>>>
>>>>>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2] And
>>>
>>> more
>>>
>>>>>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ Apache
>>>
>>>>> PMCs.
>>>
>>>>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of
>> roles
>>>
>>>>>> [4].
>>>
>>>>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these roles. A
>>>
>>>>>> project
>>>
>>>>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> All The Best,
>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
>>>
>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
>>>
>>>>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
>>>
>>>>>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
>>>
>>>>>>>> [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
>>>
>>>>> top-level
>>>
>>>>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would
>> like
>>>
>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
>>>
>>> importantly,
>>>
>>>>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for
>> making
>>>
>>>>>> this
>>>
>>>>>>>> happen!
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent updates,
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>>> future plans, see here.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anonymitaet
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>.
> I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically announce
new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires.
What do you mean by "announce new community members"?
- Sijie
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:02 AM Joshua Eric <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with Dave.
>
> I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically announce
> new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires.
>
> On Dec 9, 2021 at 3:24:29 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out
> insights
> > on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog posts, we
> > have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel.
> >
> > - Sijie
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > OK. I see the new name.
> >
> >
> > My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news
> without
> >
> > telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <djwang@streamnative.io
> .INVALID
> > >
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Best,
> >
> > > Dianjin Wang
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >> Hi Dave,
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> - Sijie
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>> Hi Sijie,
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There was a
> >
> > >>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that too.
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> Best Regards,
> >
> > >>> Dave
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>
> >
> > >>>> Dave,
> >
> > >>>>
> >
> > >>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is fixing
> it.
> >
> > >>>>
> >
> > >>>> - Sijie
> >
> > >>>>
> >
> > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>>> This is great news!
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the Apache
> >
> > Way
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the community.
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly with
> >
> > >> Pulsar
> >
> > >>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new project
> >
> > >>> updates,
> >
> > >>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
> >
> > >>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and only
> >
> > >> place
> >
> > >>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
> >
> > >>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific “Ambassador”
> >
> > >>> program
> >
> > >>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of the
> >
> > >> true
> >
> > >>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2] And
> >
> > more
> >
> > >>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ Apache
> >
> > >> PMCs.
> >
> > >>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of
> roles
> >
> > >>> [4].
> >
> > >>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these roles. A
> >
> > >>> project
> >
> > >>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>>> All The Best,
> >
> > >>>>> Dave
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>>> [1]
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
> >
> > >>>>> [2]
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>
> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
> >
> > >>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
> >
> > >>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> >
> > >>>>> [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>>
> >
> > >>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
> >
> > >>>>>>
> >
> > >>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
> >
> > >> top-level
> >
> > >>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
> >
> > >>>>>>
> >
> > >>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would
> like
> >
> > >> to
> >
> > >>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
> >
> > importantly,
> >
> > >>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for
> making
> >
> > >>> this
> >
> > >>>>> happen!
> >
> > >>>>>>
> >
> > >>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
> >
> > >>>>>>
> >
> > >>>>>>
> >
> > >>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent updates,
> >
> > and
> >
> > >>>>> future plans, see here.
> >
> > >>>>>>
> >
> > >>>>>> Cheers,
> >
> > >>>>>> Anonymitaet
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Joshua Eric <jo...@gmail.com>.
I agree with Dave.
I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically announce
new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires.
On Dec 9, 2021 at 3:24:29 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out insights
> on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog posts, we
> have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel.
>
> - Sijie
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> OK. I see the new name.
>
>
> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news without
>
> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
>
>
>
> > On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <djwang@streamnative.io.INVALID
> >
>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
>
> >
>
> > Best,
>
> > Dianjin Wang
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> Hi Dave,
>
> >>
>
> >> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
>
> >>
>
> >> - Sijie
>
> >>
>
> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>
>
> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Hi Sijie,
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There was a
>
> >>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that too.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Best Regards,
>
> >>> Dave
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Dave,
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is fixing it.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> - Sijie
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> This is great news!
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the Apache
>
> Way
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the community.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly with
>
> >> Pulsar
>
> >>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new project
>
> >>> updates,
>
> >>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
>
> >>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and only
>
> >> place
>
> >>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
>
> >>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific “Ambassador”
>
> >>> program
>
> >>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of the
>
> >> true
>
> >>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2] And
>
> more
>
> >>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ Apache
>
> >> PMCs.
>
> >>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of roles
>
> >>> [4].
>
> >>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these roles. A
>
> >>> project
>
> >>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> All The Best,
>
> >>>>> Dave
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> [1]
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
>
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
>
> >>>>> [2]
>
> >>>>>
>
> >> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
>
> >>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
>
> >>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
>
> >>>>> [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
>
> >> top-level
>
> >>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would like
>
> >> to
>
> >>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
>
> importantly,
>
> >>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for making
>
> >>> this
>
> >>>>> happen!
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent updates,
>
> and
>
> >>>>> future plans, see here.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
>
> >>>>>> Anonymitaet
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
>
>
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>.
Hi Chris,
I understand your concern surrounding SN influence. Please first understand
that there is no way to influence the PMC decision since all the decisions
are carried out publicly and each PMC member can provide his/her thoughts.
Secondly, the SN program merely provides the opportunity for the
participants to brainstorm ideas with the PMC members who are currently
working at SN. It is worth noticing that the vast majority of the Pulsar
PMC members do not even work for SN.
In response to your accusation of SN using the Apache dev list to recruit,
please be mindful that the program was only brought up in this thread. SN
has never intended to recruit using the dev list and the reason it was
mentioned in the last response was to provide transparency since you were
questioning that the SN was controlling the roadmap.
I appreciate the time and effort you spent on looking into this issue.
Looking forward to collaborating more in the community in the future.
Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks,
Sijie
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 8:53 PM Chris Latimer <ch...@chrislatimer.com>
wrote:
> Hi Sijie,
>
> I am not claiming that StreamNative controls the Pulsar roadmap. I'm saying
> that the StreamNative tweet unequivocally makes the claim that StreamNative
> controls the Pulsar roadmap. The tweet specifically instructs people to
> join a StreamNative program to influence the open source Apache Pulsar
> roadmap by collaborating with PMC members. That's completely counter to the
> way the Apache process is intended to work.
>
> StreamNative is of course welcome to organize whatever types of programs it
> wishes within the bounds of the Apache guidelines around Pulsar. However, I
> find it an egregious abuse of StreamNative's representation on the PMC to
> prevent the community from self-organizing to achieve many of the same
> stated aims of the StreamNative Ambassador program[1] only to turn around
> and direct the community to a vendor-specific alternative.
>
> I also find it highly inappropriate, but unfortunately not surprising, that
> the Apache dev list is being used to advertise and recruit people into SN's
> Ambassador marketing program. When prominent members of the PMC are using
> their position to advance their own business interests rather than the
> interests of the community, something is seriously broken in the project
> governance here.
>
> [1]https://lists.apache.org/thread/0sn6okc7b5f0mmtmr8fqx8rskvq8zt8k
>
> Chris
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 9:16 PM Joshua Odmark <jo...@pandio.com> wrote:
>
> > I don’t think anyone is surprised that you, the CEO of SN, doesn’t see a
> > problem with you conflating a program offered by your own commercial
> > company, that in the exact same sentence, invites people to join a SN
> > sponsored opportunity to work on the roadmap with the PMC. That is quite
> > literally offering inside access through your commercial entity. You did
> it
> > again in your response.
> >
> > I understand how decisions are made in ASF and I couldn’t think less of
> SN.
> >
> > It’s like me saying, I am good friends with the CEO of Ford Motor
> Company.
> > If you want Ford Motor Company as a customer, you should join my Ford
> > Ambassador Program. Ford would have a problem with that, and so should
> the
> > PMC of Apache Pulsar.
> >
> > This is exactly what Confluent started doing with the Kafka community.
> They
> > did everything they could to make Confluent == Kafka. Great for
> Confluent,
> > terrible for the community.
> >
> > SN != Pulsar
> >
> > On Dec 10, 2021 at 7:25:29 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Chris and Dave,
> > >
> > > Thank you for bringing the concern up. However, I don’t think the
> concern
> > > of this tweet is valid, and also the complaint of “StreamNative
> controls
> > > the roadmap” sounds ridiculous to me.
> > >
> > > First of all, under the Apache Way, PMC controls the roadmap.
> > >
> > > Lots of StreamNative team members are long-time ASF contributors. In
> > > relation to adhering strictly to the ASF policy, we understand it very
> > well
> > > and we follow the Apache Way. To be more specific, as Dave mentioned in
> > his
> > > email, we understand that the Apache Way says “If it is not on the dev
> > > list, it doesn’t happen”. That’s exactly how our team members make
> > > contributions and participate in the community. We not only ask our
> team
> > > members to follow the Apache Way, but also encourage our users,
> > customers,
> > > and partners to participate in the community in the same manner.
> > >
> > > To iterate, all the discussions/proposals made in the dev mailing list
> > must
> > > be approved/rejected by the PMC. Hence the PMC has the ultimate say
> (not
> > > StreamNative) in the direction of the project. Your false accusation of
> > > StreamNative controlling the roadmap indicates that either you don’t
> > fully
> > > understand how the decision is made in ASF or you think way too much of
> > > StreamNative :)
> > >
> > > Secondly, EVERYONE can contribute to the project roadmap. PMC
> > > approves/rejects proposals by casting its votes. This is how the ASF
> > > community works and how the ASF maintains vendor-neutral. No one except
> > PMC
> > > controls the roadmap but EVERYONE has the freedom to propose and
> > > contribute.
> > >
> > > To elaborate more on the process, every PMC member has the free right
> and
> > > should be encouraged to talk to the broader community to discuss ideas.
> > > They bring ideas back to the mailing list for discussion. We work with
> > > Pulsar users and customers every day. We observe and learn what the
> users
> > > are doing, discussing, and requesting. We then bring the ideas back as
> > > proposals or encourage the users/customers to propose the ideas
> directly
> > in
> > > the mailing list which as discussed above, to be approved/rejected by
> the
> > > PMC.
> > >
> > > At StreamNative, we are extremely fortunate to work with the PMC
> members,
> > > committers, and contributors who help and guide people to contribute to
> > the
> > > project roadmap and empower the community. If anyone is interested in
> how
> > > the Ambassador Program works, I would encourage everyone to sign up for
> > the
> > > program to help us grow the adoption of Apache Pulsar.
> > >
> > > Lastly, my humble suggestion - if you are really passionate about
> Pulsar,
> > > let’s do something positive for the community instead of passing
> > complaints
> > > and creating false accusations. You are welcome to submit a PIP or PR,
> > talk
> > > to the users in the community to hear what the users really need,
> improve
> > > the software, and organize a meetup, etc. I am more than happy to help
> > you
> > > get started contributing.
> > >
> > > - Sijie
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:57 PM Chris Latimer <chris@chrislatimer.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Saying that tweet implies that SN wants to control the roadmap is
> putting
> > >
> > > it mildly. It is very clearly stating that StreamNative controls the
> > >
> > > roadmap and that the way to get involved and help shape the technology
> is
> > >
> > > by engaging with SN via their Ambassador program.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 1:47 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > On Dec 9, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out
> > >
> > > > insights
> > >
> > > > > on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog
> posts,
> > we
> > >
> > > > > have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > This tweet
> > https://twitter.com/streamnativeio/status/1469366308022013953
> > >
> > > > from today implies SN wants to control the roadmap.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > In the Apache Way the project roadmap is discussed on the dev list.
> If
> > >
> > > > it’s not on the dev list it didn’t happen.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Dave
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > - Sijie
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >> OK. I see the new name.
> > >
> > > > >>
> > >
> > > > >> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news
> > >
> > > > without
> > >
> > > > >> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
> > >
> > > > >>
> > >
> > > > >>
> > >
> > > > >>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <djwang@streamnative.io
> > >
> > > > .INVALID>
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>> Best,
> > >
> > > > >>> Dianjin Wang
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>>> Hi Dave,
> > >
> > > > >>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
> > >
> > > > >>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>> - Sijie
> > >
> > > > >>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <
> wave4dave@comcast.net
> > >
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>> Hi Sijie,
> > >
> > > > >>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There
> > >
> > > was a
> > >
> > > > >>>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check
> that
> > >
> > > too.
> > >
> > > > >>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>> Best Regards,
> > >
> > > > >>>>> Dave
> > >
> > > > >>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > >>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>> Dave,
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is
> > fixing
> > >
> > > > it.
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>> - Sijie
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org
> >
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> This is great news!
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the
> > >
> > > Apache
> > >
> > > > >> Way
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the
> > >
> > > community.
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly
> > with
> > >
> > > > >>>> Pulsar
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new
> > project
> > >
> > > > >>>>> updates,
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and
> > >
> > > only
> > >
> > > > >>>> place
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar
> community.
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific
> > >
> > > “Ambassador”
> > >
> > > > >>>>> program
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most
> of
> > >
> > > the
> > >
> > > > >>>> true
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2]
> > And
> > >
> > > > >> more
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+
> > Apache
> > >
> > > > >>>> PMCs.
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions
> of
> > >
> > > > roles
> > >
> > > > >>>>> [4].
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these
> > roles. A
> > >
> > > > >>>>> project
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> All The Best,
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> Dave
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> [1]
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>
> > >
> > > > >>
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> [2]
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>
> > >
> > > >
> > https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> [4]
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> [5]
> > >
> > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
> > >
> > > > >>>> top-level
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We
> would
> > >
> > > > like
> > >
> > > > >>>> to
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
> > >
> > > > >> importantly,
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer
> for
> > >
> > > > making
> > >
> > > > >>>>> this
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> happen!
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent
> > >
> > > updates,
> > >
> > > > >> and
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>> future plans, see here.
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>> Anonymitaet
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>>
> > >
> > > > >>>>
> > >
> > > > >>
> > >
> > > > >>
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Chris Latimer <ch...@chrislatimer.com>.
Hi Sijie,
I am not claiming that StreamNative controls the Pulsar roadmap. I'm saying
that the StreamNative tweet unequivocally makes the claim that StreamNative
controls the Pulsar roadmap. The tweet specifically instructs people to
join a StreamNative program to influence the open source Apache Pulsar
roadmap by collaborating with PMC members. That's completely counter to the
way the Apache process is intended to work.
StreamNative is of course welcome to organize whatever types of programs it
wishes within the bounds of the Apache guidelines around Pulsar. However, I
find it an egregious abuse of StreamNative's representation on the PMC to
prevent the community from self-organizing to achieve many of the same
stated aims of the StreamNative Ambassador program[1] only to turn around
and direct the community to a vendor-specific alternative.
I also find it highly inappropriate, but unfortunately not surprising, that
the Apache dev list is being used to advertise and recruit people into SN's
Ambassador marketing program. When prominent members of the PMC are using
their position to advance their own business interests rather than the
interests of the community, something is seriously broken in the project
governance here.
[1]https://lists.apache.org/thread/0sn6okc7b5f0mmtmr8fqx8rskvq8zt8k
Chris
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 9:16 PM Joshua Odmark <jo...@pandio.com> wrote:
> I don’t think anyone is surprised that you, the CEO of SN, doesn’t see a
> problem with you conflating a program offered by your own commercial
> company, that in the exact same sentence, invites people to join a SN
> sponsored opportunity to work on the roadmap with the PMC. That is quite
> literally offering inside access through your commercial entity. You did it
> again in your response.
>
> I understand how decisions are made in ASF and I couldn’t think less of SN.
>
> It’s like me saying, I am good friends with the CEO of Ford Motor Company.
> If you want Ford Motor Company as a customer, you should join my Ford
> Ambassador Program. Ford would have a problem with that, and so should the
> PMC of Apache Pulsar.
>
> This is exactly what Confluent started doing with the Kafka community. They
> did everything they could to make Confluent == Kafka. Great for Confluent,
> terrible for the community.
>
> SN != Pulsar
>
> On Dec 10, 2021 at 7:25:29 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Chris and Dave,
> >
> > Thank you for bringing the concern up. However, I don’t think the concern
> > of this tweet is valid, and also the complaint of “StreamNative controls
> > the roadmap” sounds ridiculous to me.
> >
> > First of all, under the Apache Way, PMC controls the roadmap.
> >
> > Lots of StreamNative team members are long-time ASF contributors. In
> > relation to adhering strictly to the ASF policy, we understand it very
> well
> > and we follow the Apache Way. To be more specific, as Dave mentioned in
> his
> > email, we understand that the Apache Way says “If it is not on the dev
> > list, it doesn’t happen”. That’s exactly how our team members make
> > contributions and participate in the community. We not only ask our team
> > members to follow the Apache Way, but also encourage our users,
> customers,
> > and partners to participate in the community in the same manner.
> >
> > To iterate, all the discussions/proposals made in the dev mailing list
> must
> > be approved/rejected by the PMC. Hence the PMC has the ultimate say (not
> > StreamNative) in the direction of the project. Your false accusation of
> > StreamNative controlling the roadmap indicates that either you don’t
> fully
> > understand how the decision is made in ASF or you think way too much of
> > StreamNative :)
> >
> > Secondly, EVERYONE can contribute to the project roadmap. PMC
> > approves/rejects proposals by casting its votes. This is how the ASF
> > community works and how the ASF maintains vendor-neutral. No one except
> PMC
> > controls the roadmap but EVERYONE has the freedom to propose and
> > contribute.
> >
> > To elaborate more on the process, every PMC member has the free right and
> > should be encouraged to talk to the broader community to discuss ideas.
> > They bring ideas back to the mailing list for discussion. We work with
> > Pulsar users and customers every day. We observe and learn what the users
> > are doing, discussing, and requesting. We then bring the ideas back as
> > proposals or encourage the users/customers to propose the ideas directly
> in
> > the mailing list which as discussed above, to be approved/rejected by the
> > PMC.
> >
> > At StreamNative, we are extremely fortunate to work with the PMC members,
> > committers, and contributors who help and guide people to contribute to
> the
> > project roadmap and empower the community. If anyone is interested in how
> > the Ambassador Program works, I would encourage everyone to sign up for
> the
> > program to help us grow the adoption of Apache Pulsar.
> >
> > Lastly, my humble suggestion - if you are really passionate about Pulsar,
> > let’s do something positive for the community instead of passing
> complaints
> > and creating false accusations. You are welcome to submit a PIP or PR,
> talk
> > to the users in the community to hear what the users really need, improve
> > the software, and organize a meetup, etc. I am more than happy to help
> you
> > get started contributing.
> >
> > - Sijie
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:57 PM Chris Latimer <ch...@chrislatimer.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Saying that tweet implies that SN wants to control the roadmap is putting
> >
> > it mildly. It is very clearly stating that StreamNative controls the
> >
> > roadmap and that the way to get involved and help shape the technology is
> >
> > by engaging with SN via their Ambassador program.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 1:47 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > On Dec 9, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out
> >
> > > insights
> >
> > > > on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog posts,
> we
> >
> > > > have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > This tweet
> https://twitter.com/streamnativeio/status/1469366308022013953
> >
> > > from today implies SN wants to control the roadmap.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > In the Apache Way the project roadmap is discussed on the dev list. If
> >
> > > it’s not on the dev list it didn’t happen.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Dave
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > - Sijie
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >> OK. I see the new name.
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > > >> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news
> >
> > > without
> >
> > > >> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > > >>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <djwang@streamnative.io
> >
> > > .INVALID>
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> Best,
> >
> > > >>> Dianjin Wang
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>>> Hi Dave,
> >
> > > >>>>
> >
> > > >>>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
> >
> > > >>>>
> >
> > > >>>> - Sijie
> >
> > > >>>>
> >
> > > >>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wave4dave@comcast.net
> >
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> >
> > > >>>>
> >
> > > >>>>> Hi Sijie,
> >
> > > >>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There
> >
> > was a
> >
> > > >>>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that
> >
> > too.
> >
> > > >>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>> Best Regards,
> >
> > > >>>>> Dave
> >
> > > >>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > >>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > >>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>> Dave,
> >
> > > >>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is
> fixing
> >
> > > it.
> >
> > > >>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>> - Sijie
> >
> > > >>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> This is great news!
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the
> >
> > Apache
> >
> > > >> Way
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the
> >
> > community.
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly
> with
> >
> > > >>>> Pulsar
> >
> > > >>>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new
> project
> >
> > > >>>>> updates,
> >
> > > >>>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
> >
> > > >>>>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and
> >
> > only
> >
> > > >>>> place
> >
> > > >>>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
> >
> > > >>>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific
> >
> > “Ambassador”
> >
> > > >>>>> program
> >
> > > >>>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of
> >
> > the
> >
> > > >>>> true
> >
> > > >>>>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2]
> And
> >
> > > >> more
> >
> > > >>>>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+
> Apache
> >
> > > >>>> PMCs.
> >
> > > >>>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of
> >
> > > roles
> >
> > > >>>>> [4].
> >
> > > >>>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these
> roles. A
> >
> > > >>>>> project
> >
> > > >>>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> All The Best,
> >
> > > >>>>>>> Dave
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> [1]
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
> >
> > > >>>>>>> [2]
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>
> >
> > >
> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
> >
> > > >>>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
> >
> > > >>>>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> >
> > > >>>>>>> [5]
> >
> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
> >
> > > >>>> top-level
> >
> > > >>>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would
> >
> > > like
> >
> > > >>>> to
> >
> > > >>>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
> >
> > > >> importantly,
> >
> > > >>>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for
> >
> > > making
> >
> > > >>>>> this
> >
> > > >>>>>>> happen!
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent
> >
> > updates,
> >
> > > >> and
> >
> > > >>>>>>> future plans, see here.
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> Anonymitaet
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi Joshua,
Thank you for amplifying the main issue.
> On Dec 13, 2021, at 8:33 AM, Joshua Odmark <jo...@pandio.com> wrote:
>
> I am not surprised you’re doubling down on what everyone is objecting to
> you doing.
>
> Thank you for admitting that you’re using your status as a PMC member for
> financial gain.
Emphasizing PMC as a marker of status instead of responsibility is precisely the issue here.
SIJIE:
Here is a resource on the Apache website about this issue:
https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#hats
Unless you need to speak for the project (e.g. reaching out about trademark usage), all activity is always as an individual. The problem right now is that some are using their PMC member’s hat in the wrong way. The PMC needs to make decisions by consensus and that is not always happening:
https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#decision-making
>
> On Dec 10, 2021 at 11:40:00 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Joshua,
>>
>> Thanks for your response. Please allow me to clarify.
>>
>> First, I completely agree with you that SN != Pulsar. Although, I am also a
>> bit wordless as to why you brought up such a salient point. In addition, I
>> don't have any experience participating in the Kafka community, therefore I
>> cannot opine on your assessment of the Kafka community.
>>
>> Second, there is no such thing as “inside access” because if you truly
>> understand the Apache Way, all the decisions are carried out publicly and
>> each PMC member can provide his/her thoughts. Then, the PMC can vote or
>> reject any proposals. ANYONE can discuss any ideas and propose any topics
>> with any PMC member regardless of where they work and bring the final
>> proposal to discuss in the mailing list.
(1) See the decision making reference. The whole community decides by LAZY CONSENSUS. The PMC (as a whole) uses binding votes only when needed, but the opinion of the whole community - anyone who is here on the dev@pulsar mailing list needs to be considered.
(2) Let’s review https://streamnative.io/ambassador/ and I’ll explain what is inconsistent with The Apache Way.
- At the top, "[StreamNative Ambassador Program 2022] Join the program for the opportunity to work directly with Pulsar PMC members, contribute to the project roadmap, and more!” When you are working for a company you are not in the PMC role. The PMC is a whole. You cannot make this claim for this program.
- Why be an SN Ambassador “… Pulsar community leaders and engineers, the opportunity to contribute to the project roadmap, and much more” It is not correct for SN to be a middle man for Community development. Now if you want to teach Ambassadors how to contribute to the whole community that could be better explained.
- "The opportunity to work directly with Pulsar and StreamNative developers and founders”. You can’t make this claim for Pulsar.
- "The support of the Pulsar and StreamNative communities”. You don’t have support of the Pulsar community.
- "Front row access to the Pulsar roadmap”. This is simply false. dev@pulsar.apache.org is front row access. THIS IS AN OPEN SOURCE APACHE PROJECT!
>>
>> Third, I’d like to iterate the response I provided to Chris: the SN program
>> merely provides the opportunity for the participants to brainstorm ideas
>> with the PMC members who are currently working at SN. It is worth noticing
>> that the vast majority of the Pulsar PMC members do not even work for SN.
Exactly. And this is why SN must claim they are acting as PMC members while working at SN. When they are here in the open community they do wear that hat, but only when needed.
>>
>> Hope my responses clear things up a bit. Please Let me know if you have any
>> further questions.
I hope you understand “hats" better now.
If not then escalations for this situation are warranted.
Regards,
Dave
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sijie
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 8:16 PM Joshua Odmark <jo...@pandio.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don’t think anyone is surprised that you, the CEO of SN, doesn’t see a
>>
>> problem with you conflating a program offered by your own commercial
>>
>> company, that in the exact same sentence, invites people to join a SN
>>
>> sponsored opportunity to work on the roadmap with the PMC. That is quite
>>
>> literally offering inside access through your commercial entity. You did it
>>
>> again in your response.
>>
>>
>> I understand how decisions are made in ASF and I couldn’t think less of SN.
>>
>>
>> It’s like me saying, I am good friends with the CEO of Ford Motor Company.
>>
>> If you want Ford Motor Company as a customer, you should join my Ford
>>
>> Ambassador Program. Ford would have a problem with that, and so should the
>>
>> PMC of Apache Pulsar.
>>
>>
>> This is exactly what Confluent started doing with the Kafka community. They
>>
>> did everything they could to make Confluent == Kafka. Great for Confluent,
>>
>> terrible for the community.
>>
>>
>> SN != Pulsar
>>
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2021 at 7:25:29 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Chris and Dave,
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Thank you for bringing the concern up. However, I don’t think the concern
>>
>>> of this tweet is valid, and also the complaint of “StreamNative controls
>>
>>> the roadmap” sounds ridiculous to me.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> First of all, under the Apache Way, PMC controls the roadmap.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Lots of StreamNative team members are long-time ASF contributors. In
>>
>>> relation to adhering strictly to the ASF policy, we understand it very
>>
>> well
>>
>>> and we follow the Apache Way. To be more specific, as Dave mentioned in
>>
>> his
>>
>>> email, we understand that the Apache Way says “If it is not on the dev
>>
>>> list, it doesn’t happen”. That’s exactly how our team members make
>>
>>> contributions and participate in the community. We not only ask our team
>>
>>> members to follow the Apache Way, but also encourage our users,
>>
>> customers,
>>
>>> and partners to participate in the community in the same manner.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> To iterate, all the discussions/proposals made in the dev mailing list
>>
>> must
>>
>>> be approved/rejected by the PMC. Hence the PMC has the ultimate say (not
>>
>>> StreamNative) in the direction of the project. Your false accusation of
>>
>>> StreamNative controlling the roadmap indicates that either you don’t
>>
>> fully
>>
>>> understand how the decision is made in ASF or you think way too much of
>>
>>> StreamNative :)
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Secondly, EVERYONE can contribute to the project roadmap. PMC
>>
>>> approves/rejects proposals by casting its votes. This is how the ASF
>>
>>> community works and how the ASF maintains vendor-neutral. No one except
>>
>> PMC
>>
>>> controls the roadmap but EVERYONE has the freedom to propose and
>>
>>> contribute.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> To elaborate more on the process, every PMC member has the free right and
>>
>>> should be encouraged to talk to the broader community to discuss ideas.
>>
>>> They bring ideas back to the mailing list for discussion. We work with
>>
>>> Pulsar users and customers every day. We observe and learn what the users
>>
>>> are doing, discussing, and requesting. We then bring the ideas back as
>>
>>> proposals or encourage the users/customers to propose the ideas directly
>>
>> in
>>
>>> the mailing list which as discussed above, to be approved/rejected by the
>>
>>> PMC.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> At StreamNative, we are extremely fortunate to work with the PMC members,
>>
>>> committers, and contributors who help and guide people to contribute to
>>
>> the
>>
>>> project roadmap and empower the community. If anyone is interested in how
>>
>>> the Ambassador Program works, I would encourage everyone to sign up for
>>
>> the
>>
>>> program to help us grow the adoption of Apache Pulsar.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Lastly, my humble suggestion - if you are really passionate about Pulsar,
>>
>>> let’s do something positive for the community instead of passing
>>
>> complaints
>>
>>> and creating false accusations. You are welcome to submit a PIP or PR,
>>
>> talk
>>
>>> to the users in the community to hear what the users really need, improve
>>
>>> the software, and organize a meetup, etc. I am more than happy to help
>>
>> you
>>
>>> get started contributing.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> - Sijie
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:57 PM Chris Latimer <ch...@chrislatimer.com>
>>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Saying that tweet implies that SN wants to control the roadmap is putting
>>
>>>
>>
>>> it mildly. It is very clearly stating that StreamNative controls the
>>
>>>
>>
>>> roadmap and that the way to get involved and help shape the technology is
>>
>>>
>>
>>> by engaging with SN via their Ambassador program.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 1:47 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>> Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> insights
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>> on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog posts,
>>
>> we
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>> have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> This tweet
>>
>> https://twitter.com/streamnativeio/status/1469366308022013953
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> from today implies SN wants to control the roadmap.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> In the Apache Way the project roadmap is discussed on the dev list. If
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> it’s not on the dev list it didn’t happen.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> Dave
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>> - Sijie
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>> OK. I see the new name.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> without
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <djwang@streamnative.io
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> .INVALID>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>> Dianjin Wang
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> - Sijie
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wave4dave@comcast.net
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Sijie,
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There
>>
>>>
>>
>>> was a
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that
>>
>>>
>>
>>> too.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dave,
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is
>>
>> fixing
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> it.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Sijie
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is great news!
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Apache
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>> Way
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the
>>
>>>
>>
>>> community.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly
>>
>> with
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> Pulsar
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new
>>
>> project
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> updates,
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and
>>
>>>
>>
>>> only
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> place
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific
>>
>>>
>>
>>> “Ambassador”
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> program
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of
>>
>>>
>>
>>> the
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> true
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2]
>>
>> And
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>> more
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+
>>
>> Apache
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> PMCs.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> roles
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> [4].
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these
>>
>> roles. A
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> project
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All The Best,
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [5]
>>
>>>
>>
>>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> top-level
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> like
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>> importantly,
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> making
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> this
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> happen!
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent
>>
>>>
>>
>>> updates,
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>> and
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> future plans, see here.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anonymitaet
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Joshua Odmark <jo...@pandio.com>.
I am not surprised you’re doubling down on what everyone is objecting to
you doing.
Thank you for admitting that you’re using your status as a PMC member for
financial gain.
On Dec 10, 2021 at 11:40:00 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Joshua,
>
> Thanks for your response. Please allow me to clarify.
>
> First, I completely agree with you that SN != Pulsar. Although, I am also a
> bit wordless as to why you brought up such a salient point. In addition, I
> don't have any experience participating in the Kafka community, therefore I
> cannot opine on your assessment of the Kafka community.
>
> Second, there is no such thing as “inside access” because if you truly
> understand the Apache Way, all the decisions are carried out publicly and
> each PMC member can provide his/her thoughts. Then, the PMC can vote or
> reject any proposals. ANYONE can discuss any ideas and propose any topics
> with any PMC member regardless of where they work and bring the final
> proposal to discuss in the mailing list.
>
> Third, I’d like to iterate the response I provided to Chris: the SN program
> merely provides the opportunity for the participants to brainstorm ideas
> with the PMC members who are currently working at SN. It is worth noticing
> that the vast majority of the Pulsar PMC members do not even work for SN.
>
> Hope my responses clear things up a bit. Please Let me know if you have any
> further questions.
>
> Thanks,
> Sijie
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 8:16 PM Joshua Odmark <jo...@pandio.com> wrote:
>
> I don’t think anyone is surprised that you, the CEO of SN, doesn’t see a
>
> problem with you conflating a program offered by your own commercial
>
> company, that in the exact same sentence, invites people to join a SN
>
> sponsored opportunity to work on the roadmap with the PMC. That is quite
>
> literally offering inside access through your commercial entity. You did it
>
> again in your response.
>
>
> I understand how decisions are made in ASF and I couldn’t think less of SN.
>
>
> It’s like me saying, I am good friends with the CEO of Ford Motor Company.
>
> If you want Ford Motor Company as a customer, you should join my Ford
>
> Ambassador Program. Ford would have a problem with that, and so should the
>
> PMC of Apache Pulsar.
>
>
> This is exactly what Confluent started doing with the Kafka community. They
>
> did everything they could to make Confluent == Kafka. Great for Confluent,
>
> terrible for the community.
>
>
> SN != Pulsar
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2021 at 7:25:29 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Chris and Dave,
>
> >
>
> > Thank you for bringing the concern up. However, I don’t think the concern
>
> > of this tweet is valid, and also the complaint of “StreamNative controls
>
> > the roadmap” sounds ridiculous to me.
>
> >
>
> > First of all, under the Apache Way, PMC controls the roadmap.
>
> >
>
> > Lots of StreamNative team members are long-time ASF contributors. In
>
> > relation to adhering strictly to the ASF policy, we understand it very
>
> well
>
> > and we follow the Apache Way. To be more specific, as Dave mentioned in
>
> his
>
> > email, we understand that the Apache Way says “If it is not on the dev
>
> > list, it doesn’t happen”. That’s exactly how our team members make
>
> > contributions and participate in the community. We not only ask our team
>
> > members to follow the Apache Way, but also encourage our users,
>
> customers,
>
> > and partners to participate in the community in the same manner.
>
> >
>
> > To iterate, all the discussions/proposals made in the dev mailing list
>
> must
>
> > be approved/rejected by the PMC. Hence the PMC has the ultimate say (not
>
> > StreamNative) in the direction of the project. Your false accusation of
>
> > StreamNative controlling the roadmap indicates that either you don’t
>
> fully
>
> > understand how the decision is made in ASF or you think way too much of
>
> > StreamNative :)
>
> >
>
> > Secondly, EVERYONE can contribute to the project roadmap. PMC
>
> > approves/rejects proposals by casting its votes. This is how the ASF
>
> > community works and how the ASF maintains vendor-neutral. No one except
>
> PMC
>
> > controls the roadmap but EVERYONE has the freedom to propose and
>
> > contribute.
>
> >
>
> > To elaborate more on the process, every PMC member has the free right and
>
> > should be encouraged to talk to the broader community to discuss ideas.
>
> > They bring ideas back to the mailing list for discussion. We work with
>
> > Pulsar users and customers every day. We observe and learn what the users
>
> > are doing, discussing, and requesting. We then bring the ideas back as
>
> > proposals or encourage the users/customers to propose the ideas directly
>
> in
>
> > the mailing list which as discussed above, to be approved/rejected by the
>
> > PMC.
>
> >
>
> > At StreamNative, we are extremely fortunate to work with the PMC members,
>
> > committers, and contributors who help and guide people to contribute to
>
> the
>
> > project roadmap and empower the community. If anyone is interested in how
>
> > the Ambassador Program works, I would encourage everyone to sign up for
>
> the
>
> > program to help us grow the adoption of Apache Pulsar.
>
> >
>
> > Lastly, my humble suggestion - if you are really passionate about Pulsar,
>
> > let’s do something positive for the community instead of passing
>
> complaints
>
> > and creating false accusations. You are welcome to submit a PIP or PR,
>
> talk
>
> > to the users in the community to hear what the users really need, improve
>
> > the software, and organize a meetup, etc. I am more than happy to help
>
> you
>
> > get started contributing.
>
> >
>
> > - Sijie
>
> >
>
> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:57 PM Chris Latimer <ch...@chrislatimer.com>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Saying that tweet implies that SN wants to control the roadmap is putting
>
> >
>
> > it mildly. It is very clearly stating that StreamNative controls the
>
> >
>
> > roadmap and that the way to get involved and help shape the technology is
>
> >
>
> > by engaging with SN via their Ambassador program.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 1:47 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > > On Dec 9, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out
>
> >
>
> > > insights
>
> >
>
> > > > on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog posts,
>
> we
>
> >
>
> > > > have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > This tweet
>
> https://twitter.com/streamnativeio/status/1469366308022013953
>
> >
>
> > > from today implies SN wants to control the roadmap.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > In the Apache Way the project roadmap is discussed on the dev list. If
>
> >
>
> > > it’s not on the dev list it didn’t happen.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Dave
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > - Sijie
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > >> OK. I see the new name.
>
> >
>
> > > >>
>
> >
>
> > > >> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news
>
> >
>
> > > without
>
> >
>
> > > >> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
>
> >
>
> > > >>
>
> >
>
> > > >>
>
> >
>
> > > >>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <djwang@streamnative.io
>
> >
>
> > > .INVALID>
>
> >
>
> > > >> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > >>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
>
> >
>
> > > >>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>> Best,
>
> >
>
> > > >>> Dianjin Wang
>
> >
>
> > > >>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > >>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>> Hi Dave,
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>> - Sijie
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wave4dave@comcast.net
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > >> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>> Hi Sijie,
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There
>
> >
>
> > was a
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that
>
> >
>
> > too.
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>> Best Regards,
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>> Dave
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>> Dave,
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is
>
> fixing
>
> >
>
> > > it.
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>> - Sijie
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
>
> >
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> This is great news!
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the
>
> >
>
> > Apache
>
> >
>
> > > >> Way
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the
>
> >
>
> > community.
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly
>
> with
>
> >
>
> > > >>>> Pulsar
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new
>
> project
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>> updates,
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and
>
> >
>
> > only
>
> >
>
> > > >>>> place
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific
>
> >
>
> > “Ambassador”
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>> program
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of
>
> >
>
> > the
>
> >
>
> > > >>>> true
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2]
>
> And
>
> >
>
> > > >> more
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+
>
> Apache
>
> >
>
> > > >>>> PMCs.
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of
>
> >
>
> > > roles
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>> [4].
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these
>
> roles. A
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>> project
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> All The Best,
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> Dave
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> [1]
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> [2]
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> [5]
>
> >
>
> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
>
> >
>
> > > >>>> top-level
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would
>
> >
>
> > > like
>
> >
>
> > > >>>> to
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
>
> >
>
> > > >> importantly,
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for
>
> >
>
> > > making
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>> this
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> happen!
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent
>
> >
>
> > updates,
>
> >
>
> > > >> and
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>> future plans, see here.
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>> Cheers,
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>> Anonymitaet
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>>>
>
> >
>
> > > >>
>
> >
>
> > > >>
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>.
Hi Joshua,
Thanks for your response. Please allow me to clarify.
First, I completely agree with you that SN != Pulsar. Although, I am also a
bit wordless as to why you brought up such a salient point. In addition, I
don't have any experience participating in the Kafka community, therefore I
cannot opine on your assessment of the Kafka community.
Second, there is no such thing as “inside access” because if you truly
understand the Apache Way, all the decisions are carried out publicly and
each PMC member can provide his/her thoughts. Then, the PMC can vote or
reject any proposals. ANYONE can discuss any ideas and propose any topics
with any PMC member regardless of where they work and bring the final
proposal to discuss in the mailing list.
Third, I’d like to iterate the response I provided to Chris: the SN program
merely provides the opportunity for the participants to brainstorm ideas
with the PMC members who are currently working at SN. It is worth noticing
that the vast majority of the Pulsar PMC members do not even work for SN.
Hope my responses clear things up a bit. Please Let me know if you have any
further questions.
Thanks,
Sijie
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 8:16 PM Joshua Odmark <jo...@pandio.com> wrote:
> I don’t think anyone is surprised that you, the CEO of SN, doesn’t see a
> problem with you conflating a program offered by your own commercial
> company, that in the exact same sentence, invites people to join a SN
> sponsored opportunity to work on the roadmap with the PMC. That is quite
> literally offering inside access through your commercial entity. You did it
> again in your response.
>
> I understand how decisions are made in ASF and I couldn’t think less of SN.
>
> It’s like me saying, I am good friends with the CEO of Ford Motor Company.
> If you want Ford Motor Company as a customer, you should join my Ford
> Ambassador Program. Ford would have a problem with that, and so should the
> PMC of Apache Pulsar.
>
> This is exactly what Confluent started doing with the Kafka community. They
> did everything they could to make Confluent == Kafka. Great for Confluent,
> terrible for the community.
>
> SN != Pulsar
>
> On Dec 10, 2021 at 7:25:29 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Chris and Dave,
> >
> > Thank you for bringing the concern up. However, I don’t think the concern
> > of this tweet is valid, and also the complaint of “StreamNative controls
> > the roadmap” sounds ridiculous to me.
> >
> > First of all, under the Apache Way, PMC controls the roadmap.
> >
> > Lots of StreamNative team members are long-time ASF contributors. In
> > relation to adhering strictly to the ASF policy, we understand it very
> well
> > and we follow the Apache Way. To be more specific, as Dave mentioned in
> his
> > email, we understand that the Apache Way says “If it is not on the dev
> > list, it doesn’t happen”. That’s exactly how our team members make
> > contributions and participate in the community. We not only ask our team
> > members to follow the Apache Way, but also encourage our users,
> customers,
> > and partners to participate in the community in the same manner.
> >
> > To iterate, all the discussions/proposals made in the dev mailing list
> must
> > be approved/rejected by the PMC. Hence the PMC has the ultimate say (not
> > StreamNative) in the direction of the project. Your false accusation of
> > StreamNative controlling the roadmap indicates that either you don’t
> fully
> > understand how the decision is made in ASF or you think way too much of
> > StreamNative :)
> >
> > Secondly, EVERYONE can contribute to the project roadmap. PMC
> > approves/rejects proposals by casting its votes. This is how the ASF
> > community works and how the ASF maintains vendor-neutral. No one except
> PMC
> > controls the roadmap but EVERYONE has the freedom to propose and
> > contribute.
> >
> > To elaborate more on the process, every PMC member has the free right and
> > should be encouraged to talk to the broader community to discuss ideas.
> > They bring ideas back to the mailing list for discussion. We work with
> > Pulsar users and customers every day. We observe and learn what the users
> > are doing, discussing, and requesting. We then bring the ideas back as
> > proposals or encourage the users/customers to propose the ideas directly
> in
> > the mailing list which as discussed above, to be approved/rejected by the
> > PMC.
> >
> > At StreamNative, we are extremely fortunate to work with the PMC members,
> > committers, and contributors who help and guide people to contribute to
> the
> > project roadmap and empower the community. If anyone is interested in how
> > the Ambassador Program works, I would encourage everyone to sign up for
> the
> > program to help us grow the adoption of Apache Pulsar.
> >
> > Lastly, my humble suggestion - if you are really passionate about Pulsar,
> > let’s do something positive for the community instead of passing
> complaints
> > and creating false accusations. You are welcome to submit a PIP or PR,
> talk
> > to the users in the community to hear what the users really need, improve
> > the software, and organize a meetup, etc. I am more than happy to help
> you
> > get started contributing.
> >
> > - Sijie
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:57 PM Chris Latimer <ch...@chrislatimer.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Saying that tweet implies that SN wants to control the roadmap is putting
> >
> > it mildly. It is very clearly stating that StreamNative controls the
> >
> > roadmap and that the way to get involved and help shape the technology is
> >
> > by engaging with SN via their Ambassador program.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 1:47 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > On Dec 9, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out
> >
> > > insights
> >
> > > > on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog posts,
> we
> >
> > > > have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > This tweet
> https://twitter.com/streamnativeio/status/1469366308022013953
> >
> > > from today implies SN wants to control the roadmap.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > In the Apache Way the project roadmap is discussed on the dev list. If
> >
> > > it’s not on the dev list it didn’t happen.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Dave
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > - Sijie
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >> OK. I see the new name.
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > > >> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news
> >
> > > without
> >
> > > >> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > > >>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <djwang@streamnative.io
> >
> > > .INVALID>
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> Best,
> >
> > > >>> Dianjin Wang
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>>> Hi Dave,
> >
> > > >>>>
> >
> > > >>>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
> >
> > > >>>>
> >
> > > >>>> - Sijie
> >
> > > >>>>
> >
> > > >>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wave4dave@comcast.net
> >
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> >
> > > >>>>
> >
> > > >>>>> Hi Sijie,
> >
> > > >>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There
> >
> > was a
> >
> > > >>>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that
> >
> > too.
> >
> > > >>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>> Best Regards,
> >
> > > >>>>> Dave
> >
> > > >>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > >>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > >>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>> Dave,
> >
> > > >>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is
> fixing
> >
> > > it.
> >
> > > >>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>> - Sijie
> >
> > > >>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> This is great news!
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the
> >
> > Apache
> >
> > > >> Way
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the
> >
> > community.
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly
> with
> >
> > > >>>> Pulsar
> >
> > > >>>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new
> project
> >
> > > >>>>> updates,
> >
> > > >>>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
> >
> > > >>>>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and
> >
> > only
> >
> > > >>>> place
> >
> > > >>>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
> >
> > > >>>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific
> >
> > “Ambassador”
> >
> > > >>>>> program
> >
> > > >>>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of
> >
> > the
> >
> > > >>>> true
> >
> > > >>>>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2]
> And
> >
> > > >> more
> >
> > > >>>>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+
> Apache
> >
> > > >>>> PMCs.
> >
> > > >>>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of
> >
> > > roles
> >
> > > >>>>> [4].
> >
> > > >>>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these
> roles. A
> >
> > > >>>>> project
> >
> > > >>>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> All The Best,
> >
> > > >>>>>>> Dave
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>> [1]
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
> >
> > > >>>>>>> [2]
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>
> >
> > >
> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
> >
> > > >>>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
> >
> > > >>>>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> >
> > > >>>>>>> [5]
> >
> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
> >
> > > >>>> top-level
> >
> > > >>>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would
> >
> > > like
> >
> > > >>>> to
> >
> > > >>>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
> >
> > > >> importantly,
> >
> > > >>>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for
> >
> > > making
> >
> > > >>>>> this
> >
> > > >>>>>>> happen!
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent
> >
> > updates,
> >
> > > >> and
> >
> > > >>>>>>> future plans, see here.
> >
> > > >>>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> Anonymitaet
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>>
> >
> > > >>>>
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Joshua Odmark <jo...@pandio.com>.
I don’t think anyone is surprised that you, the CEO of SN, doesn’t see a
problem with you conflating a program offered by your own commercial
company, that in the exact same sentence, invites people to join a SN
sponsored opportunity to work on the roadmap with the PMC. That is quite
literally offering inside access through your commercial entity. You did it
again in your response.
I understand how decisions are made in ASF and I couldn’t think less of SN.
It’s like me saying, I am good friends with the CEO of Ford Motor Company.
If you want Ford Motor Company as a customer, you should join my Ford
Ambassador Program. Ford would have a problem with that, and so should the
PMC of Apache Pulsar.
This is exactly what Confluent started doing with the Kafka community. They
did everything they could to make Confluent == Kafka. Great for Confluent,
terrible for the community.
SN != Pulsar
On Dec 10, 2021 at 7:25:29 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris and Dave,
>
> Thank you for bringing the concern up. However, I don’t think the concern
> of this tweet is valid, and also the complaint of “StreamNative controls
> the roadmap” sounds ridiculous to me.
>
> First of all, under the Apache Way, PMC controls the roadmap.
>
> Lots of StreamNative team members are long-time ASF contributors. In
> relation to adhering strictly to the ASF policy, we understand it very well
> and we follow the Apache Way. To be more specific, as Dave mentioned in his
> email, we understand that the Apache Way says “If it is not on the dev
> list, it doesn’t happen”. That’s exactly how our team members make
> contributions and participate in the community. We not only ask our team
> members to follow the Apache Way, but also encourage our users, customers,
> and partners to participate in the community in the same manner.
>
> To iterate, all the discussions/proposals made in the dev mailing list must
> be approved/rejected by the PMC. Hence the PMC has the ultimate say (not
> StreamNative) in the direction of the project. Your false accusation of
> StreamNative controlling the roadmap indicates that either you don’t fully
> understand how the decision is made in ASF or you think way too much of
> StreamNative :)
>
> Secondly, EVERYONE can contribute to the project roadmap. PMC
> approves/rejects proposals by casting its votes. This is how the ASF
> community works and how the ASF maintains vendor-neutral. No one except PMC
> controls the roadmap but EVERYONE has the freedom to propose and
> contribute.
>
> To elaborate more on the process, every PMC member has the free right and
> should be encouraged to talk to the broader community to discuss ideas.
> They bring ideas back to the mailing list for discussion. We work with
> Pulsar users and customers every day. We observe and learn what the users
> are doing, discussing, and requesting. We then bring the ideas back as
> proposals or encourage the users/customers to propose the ideas directly in
> the mailing list which as discussed above, to be approved/rejected by the
> PMC.
>
> At StreamNative, we are extremely fortunate to work with the PMC members,
> committers, and contributors who help and guide people to contribute to the
> project roadmap and empower the community. If anyone is interested in how
> the Ambassador Program works, I would encourage everyone to sign up for the
> program to help us grow the adoption of Apache Pulsar.
>
> Lastly, my humble suggestion - if you are really passionate about Pulsar,
> let’s do something positive for the community instead of passing complaints
> and creating false accusations. You are welcome to submit a PIP or PR, talk
> to the users in the community to hear what the users really need, improve
> the software, and organize a meetup, etc. I am more than happy to help you
> get started contributing.
>
> - Sijie
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:57 PM Chris Latimer <ch...@chrislatimer.com>
> wrote:
>
> Saying that tweet implies that SN wants to control the roadmap is putting
>
> it mildly. It is very clearly stating that StreamNative controls the
>
> roadmap and that the way to get involved and help shape the technology is
>
> by engaging with SN via their Ambassador program.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 1:47 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> >
>
> > > On Dec 9, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out
>
> > insights
>
> > > on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog posts, we
>
> > > have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel.
>
> >
>
> > This tweet https://twitter.com/streamnativeio/status/1469366308022013953
>
> > from today implies SN wants to control the roadmap.
>
> >
>
> > In the Apache Way the project roadmap is discussed on the dev list. If
>
> > it’s not on the dev list it didn’t happen.
>
> >
>
> > Dave
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > - Sijie
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > >> OK. I see the new name.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news
>
> > without
>
> > >> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
>
> > >>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <djwang@streamnative.io
>
> > .INVALID>
>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> Best,
>
> > >>> Dianjin Wang
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>>> Hi Dave,
>
> > >>>>
>
> > >>>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
>
> > >>>>
>
> > >>>> - Sijie
>
> > >>>>
>
> > >>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>
>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >>>>
>
> > >>>>> Hi Sijie,
>
> > >>>>>
>
> > >>>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There
>
> was a
>
> > >>>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that
>
> too.
>
> > >>>>>
>
> > >>>>> Best Regards,
>
> > >>>>> Dave
>
> > >>>>>
>
> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > >>>>>
>
> > >>>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>> Dave,
>
> > >>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is fixing
>
> > it.
>
> > >>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>> - Sijie
>
> > >>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>> This is great news!
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the
>
> Apache
>
> > >> Way
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the
>
> community.
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly with
>
> > >>>> Pulsar
>
> > >>>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new project
>
> > >>>>> updates,
>
> > >>>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
>
> > >>>>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and
>
> only
>
> > >>>> place
>
> > >>>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
>
> > >>>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific
>
> “Ambassador”
>
> > >>>>> program
>
> > >>>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of
>
> the
>
> > >>>> true
>
> > >>>>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2] And
>
> > >> more
>
> > >>>>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ Apache
>
> > >>>> PMCs.
>
> > >>>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of
>
> > roles
>
> > >>>>> [4].
>
> > >>>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these roles. A
>
> > >>>>> project
>
> > >>>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>> All The Best,
>
> > >>>>>>> Dave
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>> [1]
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>
>
> > >>>>
>
> > >>
>
> >
>
>
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
>
> > >>>>>>> [2]
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>
>
> > https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
>
> > >>>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
>
> > >>>>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
>
> > >>>>>>> [5]
>
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
>
> > >>>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
>
> > >>>> top-level
>
> > >>>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
>
> > >>>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would
>
> > like
>
> > >>>> to
>
> > >>>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
>
> > >> importantly,
>
> > >>>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for
>
> > making
>
> > >>>>> this
>
> > >>>>>>> happen!
>
> > >>>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
>
> > >>>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent
>
> updates,
>
> > >> and
>
> > >>>>>>> future plans, see here.
>
> > >>>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>>> Cheers,
>
> > >>>>>>>> Anonymitaet
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>
>
> > >>>>>
>
> > >>>>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>.
Chris and Dave,
Thank you for bringing the concern up. However, I don’t think the concern
of this tweet is valid, and also the complaint of “StreamNative controls
the roadmap” sounds ridiculous to me.
First of all, under the Apache Way, PMC controls the roadmap.
Lots of StreamNative team members are long-time ASF contributors. In
relation to adhering strictly to the ASF policy, we understand it very well
and we follow the Apache Way. To be more specific, as Dave mentioned in his
email, we understand that the Apache Way says “If it is not on the dev
list, it doesn’t happen”. That’s exactly how our team members make
contributions and participate in the community. We not only ask our team
members to follow the Apache Way, but also encourage our users, customers,
and partners to participate in the community in the same manner.
To iterate, all the discussions/proposals made in the dev mailing list must
be approved/rejected by the PMC. Hence the PMC has the ultimate say (not
StreamNative) in the direction of the project. Your false accusation of
StreamNative controlling the roadmap indicates that either you don’t fully
understand how the decision is made in ASF or you think way too much of
StreamNative :)
Secondly, EVERYONE can contribute to the project roadmap. PMC
approves/rejects proposals by casting its votes. This is how the ASF
community works and how the ASF maintains vendor-neutral. No one except PMC
controls the roadmap but EVERYONE has the freedom to propose and contribute.
To elaborate more on the process, every PMC member has the free right and
should be encouraged to talk to the broader community to discuss ideas.
They bring ideas back to the mailing list for discussion. We work with
Pulsar users and customers every day. We observe and learn what the users
are doing, discussing, and requesting. We then bring the ideas back as
proposals or encourage the users/customers to propose the ideas directly in
the mailing list which as discussed above, to be approved/rejected by the
PMC.
At StreamNative, we are extremely fortunate to work with the PMC members,
committers, and contributors who help and guide people to contribute to the
project roadmap and empower the community. If anyone is interested in how
the Ambassador Program works, I would encourage everyone to sign up for the
program to help us grow the adoption of Apache Pulsar.
Lastly, my humble suggestion - if you are really passionate about Pulsar,
let’s do something positive for the community instead of passing complaints
and creating false accusations. You are welcome to submit a PIP or PR, talk
to the users in the community to hear what the users really need, improve
the software, and organize a meetup, etc. I am more than happy to help you
get started contributing.
- Sijie
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:57 PM Chris Latimer <ch...@chrislatimer.com>
wrote:
> Saying that tweet implies that SN wants to control the roadmap is putting
> it mildly. It is very clearly stating that StreamNative controls the
> roadmap and that the way to get involved and help shape the technology is
> by engaging with SN via their Ambassador program.
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 1:47 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > > On Dec 9, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out
> > insights
> > > on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog posts, we
> > > have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel.
> >
> > This tweet https://twitter.com/streamnativeio/status/1469366308022013953
> > from today implies SN wants to control the roadmap.
> >
> > In the Apache Way the project roadmap is discussed on the dev list. If
> > it’s not on the dev list it didn’t happen.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > >
> > > - Sijie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> OK. I see the new name.
> > >>
> > >> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news
> > without
> > >> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <djwang@streamnative.io
> > .INVALID>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>> Dianjin Wang
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi Dave,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> - Sijie
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Sijie,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There
> was a
> > >>>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that
> too.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Best Regards,
> > >>>>> Dave
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Dave,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is fixing
> > it.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> - Sijie
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This is great news!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the
> Apache
> > >> Way
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the
> community.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly with
> > >>>> Pulsar
> > >>>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new project
> > >>>>> updates,
> > >>>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
> > >>>>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and
> only
> > >>>> place
> > >>>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
> > >>>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific
> “Ambassador”
> > >>>>> program
> > >>>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of
> the
> > >>>> true
> > >>>>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2] And
> > >> more
> > >>>>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ Apache
> > >>>> PMCs.
> > >>>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of
> > roles
> > >>>>> [4].
> > >>>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these roles. A
> > >>>>> project
> > >>>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> All The Best,
> > >>>>>>> Dave
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> [1]
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
> > >>>>>>> [2]
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
> > >>>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
> > >>>>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> > >>>>>>> [5]
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
> > >>>> top-level
> > >>>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would
> > like
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
> > >> importantly,
> > >>>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for
> > making
> > >>>>> this
> > >>>>>>> happen!
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent
> updates,
> > >> and
> > >>>>>>> future plans, see here.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>>>>> Anonymitaet
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Chris Latimer <ch...@chrislatimer.com>.
Saying that tweet implies that SN wants to control the roadmap is putting
it mildly. It is very clearly stating that StreamNative controls the
roadmap and that the way to get involved and help shape the technology is
by engaging with SN via their Ambassador program.
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 1:47 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 9, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out
> insights
> > on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog posts, we
> > have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel.
>
> This tweet https://twitter.com/streamnativeio/status/1469366308022013953
> from today implies SN wants to control the roadmap.
>
> In the Apache Way the project roadmap is discussed on the dev list. If
> it’s not on the dev list it didn’t happen.
>
> Dave
>
>
> >
> > - Sijie
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> OK. I see the new name.
> >>
> >> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news
> without
> >> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <djwang@streamnative.io
> .INVALID>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Dianjin Wang
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Dave,
> >>>>
> >>>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
> >>>>
> >>>> - Sijie
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Sijie,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There was a
> >>>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best Regards,
> >>>>> Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dave,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is fixing
> it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - Sijie
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is great news!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the Apache
> >> Way
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the community.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly with
> >>>> Pulsar
> >>>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new project
> >>>>> updates,
> >>>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
> >>>>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and only
> >>>> place
> >>>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
> >>>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific “Ambassador”
> >>>>> program
> >>>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of the
> >>>> true
> >>>>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2] And
> >> more
> >>>>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ Apache
> >>>> PMCs.
> >>>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of
> roles
> >>>>> [4].
> >>>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these roles. A
> >>>>> project
> >>>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> All The Best,
> >>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
> >>>>>>> [2]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
> >>>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
> >>>>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> >>>>>>> [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
> >>>> top-level
> >>>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would
> like
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
> >> importantly,
> >>>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for
> making
> >>>>> this
> >>>>>>> happen!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent updates,
> >> and
> >>>>>>> future plans, see here.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>> Anonymitaet
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
> On Dec 9, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out insights
> on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog posts, we
> have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel.
This tweet https://twitter.com/streamnativeio/status/1469366308022013953 from today implies SN wants to control the roadmap.
In the Apache Way the project roadmap is discussed on the dev list. If it’s not on the dev list it didn’t happen.
Dave
>
> - Sijie
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> OK. I see the new name.
>>
>> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news without
>> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <dj...@streamnative.io.INVALID>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Dianjin Wang
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
>>>>
>>>> - Sijie
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sijie,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There was a
>>>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is fixing it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Sijie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is great news!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the Apache
>> Way
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly with
>>>> Pulsar
>>>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new project
>>>>> updates,
>>>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
>>>>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and only
>>>> place
>>>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
>>>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific “Ambassador”
>>>>> program
>>>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of the
>>>> true
>>>>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2] And
>> more
>>>>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ Apache
>>>> PMCs.
>>>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of roles
>>>>> [4].
>>>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these roles. A
>>>>> project
>>>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All The Best,
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>
>>>> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
>>>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
>>>>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
>>>>>>> [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
>>>> top-level
>>>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would like
>>>> to
>>>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
>> importantly,
>>>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for making
>>>>> this
>>>>>>> happen!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent updates,
>> and
>>>>>>> future plans, see here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Anonymitaet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>.
Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared out insights
on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog posts, we
have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack channel.
- Sijie
On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> OK. I see the new name.
>
> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news without
> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
>
>
> > On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <dj...@streamnative.io.INVALID>
> wrote:
> >
> > I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
> >
> > Best,
> > Dianjin Wang
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Dave,
> >>
> >> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
> >>
> >> - Sijie
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Sijie,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There was a
> >>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that too.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dave,
> >>>>
> >>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is fixing it.
> >>>>
> >>>> - Sijie
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is great news!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the Apache
> Way
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the community.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly with
> >> Pulsar
> >>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new project
> >>> updates,
> >>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
> >>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and only
> >> place
> >>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
> >>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific “Ambassador”
> >>> program
> >>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of the
> >> true
> >>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2] And
> more
> >>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ Apache
> >> PMCs.
> >>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of roles
> >>> [4].
> >>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these roles. A
> >>> project
> >>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All The Best,
> >>>>> Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1]
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
> >>>>> [2]
> >>>>>
> >> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
> >>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
> >>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> >>>>> [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
> >> top-level
> >>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would like
> >> to
> >>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More
> importantly,
> >>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for making
> >>> this
> >>>>> happen!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent updates,
> and
> >>>>> future plans, see here.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Anonymitaet
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
OK. I see the new name.
My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community news without telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found.
> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang <dj...@streamnative.io.INVALID> wrote:
>
> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
>
> Best,
> Dianjin Wang
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
>>
>> - Sijie
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sijie,
>>>
>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There was a
>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that too.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>>
>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is fixing it.
>>>>
>>>> - Sijie
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is great news!
>>>>>
>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the Apache Way
>>>>>
>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the community.
>>>>>
>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly with
>> Pulsar
>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new project
>>> updates,
>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
>>>>> ambassador@streamnative.io
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and only
>> place
>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific “Ambassador”
>>> program
>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of the
>> true
>>>>> Apache Pulsar community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2] And more
>>>>> about the Apache Way [3]
>>>>>
>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ Apache
>> PMCs.
>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of roles
>>> [4].
>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these roles. A
>>> project
>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
>>>>>
>>>>> All The Best,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>>
>>>
>> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
>>>>> [2]
>>>>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
>>>>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
>>>>> [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
>> top-level
>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would like
>> to
>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More importantly,
>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for making
>>> this
>>>>> happen!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent updates, and
>>>>> future plans, see here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Anonymitaet
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Dianjin Wang <dj...@streamnative.io.INVALID>.
I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done.
Best,
Dianjin Wang
On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
>
> - Sijie
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Sijie,
> >
> > Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There was a
> > reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that too.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is fixing it.
> > >
> > > - Sijie
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> This is great news!
> > >>
> > >> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the Apache Way
> > >>
> > >> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the community.
> > >>
> > >>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly with
> Pulsar
> > >> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new project
> > updates,
> > >> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
> > >> ambassador@streamnative.io
> > >>
> > >> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and only
> place
> > >> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
> > >> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific “Ambassador”
> > program
> > >> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of the
> true
> > >> Apache Pulsar community.
> > >>
> > >> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
> > >>
> > >> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2] And more
> > >> about the Apache Way [3]
> > >>
> > >> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ Apache
> PMCs.
> > >> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of roles
> > [4].
> > >> The community consists of people who are in all of these roles. A
> > project
> > >> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
> > >>
> > >> All The Best,
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >> [1]
> > >>
> >
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
> > >> [2]
> > >>
> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
> > >> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
> > >> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> > >> [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
> > >>
> > >>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
> > >>>
> > >>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a
> top-level
> > >> project of the ASF in 2018.
> > >>>
> > >>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would like
> to
> > >> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More importantly,
> > >> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for making
> > this
> > >> happen!
> > >>>
> > >>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent updates, and
> > >> future plans, see here.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Anonymitaet
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>.
Hi Dave,
Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time).
- Sijie
On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi Sijie,
>
> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There was a
> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that too.
>
> Best Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is fixing it.
> >
> > - Sijie
> >
> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is great news!
> >>
> >> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the Apache Way
> >>
> >> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the community.
> >>
> >>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly with Pulsar
> >> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new project
> updates,
> >> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
> >> ambassador@streamnative.io
> >>
> >> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and only place
> >> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
> >> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific “Ambassador”
> program
> >> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of the true
> >> Apache Pulsar community.
> >>
> >> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
> >>
> >> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2] And more
> >> about the Apache Way [3]
> >>
> >> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ Apache PMCs.
> >> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of roles
> [4].
> >> The community consists of people who are in all of these roles. A
> project
> >> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
> >>
> >> All The Best,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> [1]
> >>
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
> >> [2]
> >> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
> >> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
> >> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> >> [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
> >>
> >>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
> >>>
> >>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a top-level
> >> project of the ASF in 2018.
> >>>
> >>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would like to
> >> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More importantly,
> >> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for making
> this
> >> happen!
> >>>
> >>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent updates, and
> >> future plans, see here.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Anonymitaet
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>.
Hi Sijie,
Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. There was a reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check that too.
Best Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is fixing it.
>
> - Sijie
>
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> This is great news!
>>
>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the Apache Way
>>
>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the community.
>>
>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly with Pulsar
>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new project updates,
>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
>> ambassador@streamnative.io
>>
>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and only place
>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific “Ambassador” program
>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of the true
>> Apache Pulsar community.
>>
>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
>>
>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2] And more
>> about the Apache Way [3]
>>
>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ Apache PMCs.
>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of roles [4].
>> The community consists of people who are in all of these roles. A project
>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
>>
>> All The Best,
>> Dave
>>
>> [1]
>> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
>> [2]
>> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
>> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
>> [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
>>
>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
>>>
>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a top-level
>> project of the ASF in 2018.
>>>
>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would like to
>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More importantly,
>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for making this
>> happen!
>>>
>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
>>>
>>>
>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent updates, and
>> future plans, see here.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Anonymitaet
>>
>>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Sijie Guo <gu...@gmail.com>.
Dave,
I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is fixing it.
- Sijie
On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> This is great news!
>
> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the Apache Way
>
> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the community.
>
> > • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly with Pulsar
> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new project updates,
> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us:
> ambassador@streamnative.io
>
> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and only place
> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific “Ambassador” program
> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of the true
> Apache Pulsar community.
>
> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
>
> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2] And more
> about the Apache Way [3]
>
> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ Apache PMCs.
> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of roles [4].
> The community consists of people who are in all of these roles. A project
> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
>
> All The Best,
> Dave
>
> [1]
> https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
> [2]
> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
> [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
>
> > On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
> >
> > Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a top-level
> project of the ASF in 2018.
> >
> > Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would like to
> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More importantly,
> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for making this
> happen!
> >
> > Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
> >
> >
> > For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent updates, and
> future plans, see here.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Anonymitaet
>
>
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
This is great news!
However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the Apache Way
This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the community.
> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly with Pulsar PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new project updates, and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us: ambassador@streamnative.io
(1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one and only place to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar community.
(2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific “Ambassador” program you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most of the true Apache Pulsar community.
Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point.
Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. [2] And more about the Apache Way [3]
FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ Apache PMCs. PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions of roles [4]. The community consists of people who are in all of these roles. A project is supposed to be managed as described here. [5]
All The Best,
Dave
[1] https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/
[2] https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable
[3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
[4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
[5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management
> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
>
> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a top-level project of the ASF in 2018.
>
> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would like to thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More importantly, thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for making this happen!
>
> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
>
>
> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent updates, and future plans, see here.
>
> Cheers,
> Anonymitaet
Re: [Great News] Pulsar Hits 10,000 GitHub Stars Milestone!
Posted by Yuva raj <uv...@gmail.com>.
Being an early adopter happy to see the tremendous growth of community,
contributions and features. Onwards and upwards !! Congratulations apache
pulsar team 🎉
On Wed, Dec 8, 2021, 11:07 AM Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts,
>
> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became a top-level
> project of the ASF in 2018.
>
> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We would like to
> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More importantly,
> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer for making this
> happen!
>
> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community:
>
> [image: image.png][image: image.png]
> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent updates, and
> future plans, see here
> <https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/>
> .
>
> Cheers,
> Anonymitaet
>