JDO TCK Conference Call Friday August 15, 9 am Pacific Daylight Time (PDT)

[Michael Bouschen <mi...@akquinet.de>]

Hi,

We will have our regular meeting Friday, August 15 at 9 am Pacific Daylight Time (PDT) to discuss JDO TCK issues and status.

Dial-in numbers are:
US Toll free: 866 682-4770
Germany Frankfurt 069222216106
Germany Toll free: 08006648515
(Other countries by request)

To place the call:
1. Call the toll free number.
2. Enter the conference number 939-3689#
3. Enter the security code 1111#

We use the conference call for audio and use Google Hangouts for screen sharing and video.
The Google Hangouts URL for the meeting: http://goo.gl/sCKJaS

Agenda:
1. JIRA resolved "Creating the innerjoin without relationship between objects": https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JDO-730
2. JIRA "Support for conditional operator ? : in JDOQL": https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JDO-650
3. JIRA "Modify specification to address NoSQL datastores": https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JDO-651
4. Allow makePersistent outside a transaction: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JDO-589
5. JDO 3.1
6. Other issues

Action Items from weeks past:
[Apr 25 2014] AI Craig look at the How To Release JDO document.
[Feb 28 2014] AI Everyone: take a look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JDO-712
[Feb 28 2014] AI Everyone: take a look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JDO-625
[Dec 13 2013] AI Craig file a JIRA for java.sql.Blob and java.sql.Clob as persistent field types
[May 10 2013] AI Everyone take a look Apache ISIS and maybe subscribe to ISIS mail lists.
[Aug 24 2012] AI Craig update the JIRAs JDO-689 JDO-690 and JDO-692 about JDOHelper methods. In process.

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Re: Minutes: JDO TCK Conference Call Friday August 15, 9 am Pacific Daylight Time (PDT)

[Andy Jefferson <an...@datanucleus.org>]

Hi,

> 2. JIRA "Support for conditional operator ? : in JDOQL":
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JDO-650
> Using a SQL-like syntax would be the first time we have used non-Java syntax
> in the query expressions.
> Would it be difficult for DataNucleus to use the Java syntax for this
> feature?

DataNucleus already does support "java syntax" of 
IF (...) ELSE IF (...) ... ELSE ... 
This was valid Java last I looked at the language doc - yes it doesn't have 
RETURN when in the RESULT clause but pretty damn close. If I was writing Java 
code for returning a value from a method and there was complicated logic for 
what to return I would use IF ... ELSE IF ... ELSE ... rather than nested 
(expr ? expr1 : (expr2 ? expr3 : (expr4 ? expr5 : expr6))).

It doesn't currently support "(expr ? val1 : val2)" but then someone could 
easily contribute support for that - whoever does it would have to be careful 
when implementing it to distinguish ":" detection from explicit parameter 
syntax though.


> 5. JDO 3.1
> 
> Anything else for 3.1? Any volunteers to start the release process? Michael.
> Good job.

When is there going to be an actual release process that can be followed? I 
mean one that doesn't get hung up on waiting for a JCP? aka things beyond this 
projects control ? It is impossible for any downstream project to rely on 
Apache JDO project as it is now ... no visibility of when things will get 
released ... if ever (JDO 3.1 should have been 2012). For that reason I don't 
have much time at all for what is there now, sorry.


-- 
Andy
DataNucleus (Web: http://www.datanucleus.org   Twitter: @datanucleus)

Minutes: JDO TCK Conference Call Friday August 15, 9 am Pacific Daylight Time (PDT)

[Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>]

Attendees: Michael Bouschen, Craig Russell

Agenda:

1. JIRA resolved "Creating the innerjoin without relationship between objects": https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JDO-730

2. JIRA "Support for conditional operator ? : in JDOQL": https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JDO-650

Using a SQL-like syntax would be the first time we have used non-Java syntax in the query expressions. 

Would it be difficult for DataNucleus to use the Java syntax for this feature?

3. JIRA "Modify specification to address NoSQL datastores": https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JDO-651

4. Allow makePersistent outside a transaction: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JDO-589

Any additional comments on this? We could simply allow the NonTransactionalWrite flag to affect makePersistent and deletePersistent. This would be a slightly incompatible change; we would no longer throw an exception if a transaction were not in progress. But it might not matter.

5. JDO 3.1

Anything else for 3.1? Any volunteers to start the release process? Michael. Good job.

6. Other issues

The How To Release JDO document needs to be updated to add instructions on how to use the new svnpubsub strategy for releasing. AI Craig

Action Items from weeks past:
[Apr 25 2014] AI Craig look at the How To Release JDO document.
[Feb 28 2014] AI Everyone: take a look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JDO-712
[Feb 28 2014] AI Everyone: take a look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JDO-625
[Dec 13 2013] AI Craig file a JIRA for java.sql.Blob and java.sql.Clob as persistent field types
[May 10 2013] AI Everyone take a look Apache ISIS and maybe subscribe to ISIS mail lists.
[Aug 24 2012] AI Craig update the JIRAs JDO-689 JDO-690 and JDO-692 about JDOHelper methods. In process.

Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!