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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com> on 2002/10/24 19:13:32 UTC
incubator project infrastructure set up
the pmc@ and general@ lists have been set up; witness this
message.
the cvs modules incubator and incubator-site have been set up,
as has incubator.apache.org.
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Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/
Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
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Re: incubator project infrastructure set up
Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
David Crossley wrote:
>
> I do not understand why people are seeing Forrest as only
> a webapp. I am one of the Forrest developers and i have
> never used it that way (though i gather that it is capable).
> If i want a dynamic publishing system then i would use
> Cocoon directly.
>
> Rather i use Forrest via its command-line methods and, when
> i get my act together, via the forrestbot. In these methods
> Forrest uses its packaged Cocoon.jar via Cocoon's CLI
> (Command-Line Interface).
that's how i want to use it. since i have no knowledge of
cocoon, i can only quote the magic jargon that appears in
forrest's output files. it mentions 'cocoon.'
so far so good, except now i'm having problems trying to
add tabs and subdirectories. back to the docco..
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Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
"Millennium hand and shrimp!"
Re: incubator project infrastructure set up
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.
Jeff Turner wrote:
> Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
<snip/>
> > i kinda assumed that whatever aspects of cocoon were needed
> > were embedded in forrest, but perhaps not.
>
> They are.. that's why the download is so big ;P
>
> > so i downloaded cocoon. looking at its installation
> > instructions, it
> > says it needs tomcat. !!! this is getting out of hand
> > just to be able
> > to work on a single web site while i'm on my laptop!
> > (tomcat: cd sourceforge ; make all)
> >
> > the prerequisites for forrest don't appear to be very well
> > spelt out, so i don't know what i might be missing.
>
> The only requirement _should_ be that Java be installed,
> though currently
> Ant is also needed. I'll fix the Ant thing and document the
> > JDK dep. Cocoon and Tomcat certainly aren't needed.
>
> > if it needs cocoon and doesn't find it,
> > it would be nice if it would say so..
> >
> > i *really* don't want to have to set up a complete tomcat
> > installation just
> > to edit/build this small web site..
I do not understand why people are seeing Forrest as only
a webapp. I am one of the Forrest developers and i have
never used it that way (though i gather that it is capable).
If i want a dynamic publishing system then i would use
Cocoon directly.
Rather i use Forrest via its command-line methods and, when
i get my act together, via the forrestbot. In these methods
Forrest uses its packaged Cocoon.jar via Cocoon's CLI
(Command-Line Interface).
--David
> Sorry you had to jump through all those hoops. We'll get busy
> eliminating the Ant hoop and documenting the unneededness of
> the others.
>
> --Jeff
Re: incubator project infrastructure set up
Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
Jeff Turner wrote:
>
> > Cocoon 2 - Resource not Found
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > type resource-not-found
> > message Page Not Available.
> > description The requested resource couldn't be found.
>
> Ah..
>
> <feet shuffling>
>
> .. did you get your copy of Forrest on Saturday/Sunday? I'd fubar'ed
> Forrest while trying to fix another bug.
:
> If that's the case, then you've found the culprit :-] Sorry!
okey, re-downloaded and re-built, and now it's working. ta!
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Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/
Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
"Millennium hand and shrimp!"
Re: incubator project infrastructure set up
Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 10:37:37AM -0500, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
...
> > I don't know what files you were trying to convert
>
> a copy of cvs.apache.org/~nicolaken/apache-incubator/
I fetched it and built it without problems. Attached is the output log.
> > eliminate Forrest itself, or any environmental weirdness, as a
> > cause of the trouble, one can type 'forrest seed site' in a
> > clean directory.
>
> no joy; same results. let me see if i can get the meat out of
> the error messages in the high-bogon index.html.. here we
> go (extra blank lines elided):
>
> Cocoon 2 - Resource not Found
> _________________________________________________________________
> type resource-not-found
> message Page Not Available.
> description The requested resource couldn't be found.
Ah..
<feet shuffling>
.. did you get your copy of Forrest on Saturday/Sunday? I'd fubar'ed
Forrest while trying to fix another bug. Console output of a broken
Forrest was:
Setup... done.
Initializing... ready, let's go :-)
* [0]
-> [broken link] index.html <-
disposing... done.
If that's the case, then you've found the culprit :-] Sorry!
> this is the same (essentially, if not exactly) as in the index.html
> generated by the run against nicola's files.
...
> well, i have lots and lots of free time (not!), but i joined
> forrest-dev because a) it seems cool, b) i really need to learn
> some of this stuff, and c) maybe i can help out, if only by
> complaining from the pov of a newbie. :-)
Welcome aboard :) One day you'll be able to tell your grandchildren, "I
was on forrest-dev _before_ Forrest took the the world by storm. Back
then, idiots kept breaking the build... " ;)
--Jeff
> --
> #ken P-)}
>
> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/
> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>
> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
Re: incubator project infrastructure set up
Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
Jeff Turner wrote:
>
> > well, i was trying to run it on my laptop, off the network. first, the
> > build of forrest required online access to download something from
> > krysalis.org. dead stop. :-) okey, so i tried again after going
> > online, and the forrest build seemed to work all right. (the
> > documentation about setting FORREST_HOME seems a wee bit unclear about
> > whether it's required for forrest to run or not, and whether it shoul
> > refer to the shbat directory or the shbat/bin one. oh, well.)
>
> It's needed for Windows (specifically win95) but not for 'nix,
> though AFAIK all the docs say it's required. If you can point
> me to the unclear docs I can fix'em.
will do..
> > then i tried to run forrest and it complained about there
> > being no ant. so i installed ant.
>
> Hmm.. xml-forrest actually comes with a copy of Ant, so it's
> a bit dumb that we don't use it. I'll fix this some time over
> the next week. I think that so far, most people who try Forrest
> (esp its developers) have Ant installed, so nobody saw this obvious
> improvement.
:-)
> > ran forrest again against your files, and it wiped them
> > all and complained. in not-too-readable-except-in-a-browser
> > html, and i'm not sure what it's complaining about.
>
> I don't know what files you were trying to convert
a copy of cvs.apache.org/~nicolaken/apache-incubator/
> eliminate Forrest itself, or any environmental weirdness, as a
> cause of the trouble, one can type 'forrest seed site' in a
> clean directory.
no joy; same results. let me see if i can get the meat out of
the error messages in the high-bogon index.html.. here we
go (extra blank lines elided):
Cocoon 2 - Resource not Found
_________________________________________________________________
type resource-not-found
message Page Not Available.
description The requested resource couldn't be found.
sender org.apache.cocoon.Main
source Cocoon commandline (Main.java)
request-uri
index.html
missing-file
/tmp/ft/build/site/index.html
_________________________________________________________________
this is the same (essentially, if not exactly) as in the index.html
generated by the run against nicola's files.
> Sorry you had to jump through all those hoops. We'll get busy
> eliminating the Ant hoop and documenting the unneededness of
> the others.
well, i have lots and lots of free time (not!), but i joined
forrest-dev because a) it seems cool, b) i really need to learn
some of this stuff, and c) maybe i can help out, if only by
complaining from the pov of a newbie. :-)
--
#ken P-)}
Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/
Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
"Millennium hand and shrimp!"
Re: incubator project infrastructure set up
Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:50:06AM -0500, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> >
> > I'll try to help but it's difficult for me, since I'm on a flacky 9.6
> > GSM connection and I can't check what is up on my home dir... if this
> > mail still cannot help you, contact the forrest-dev mailing list for
> > further assistance.
>
> well, i was trying to run it on my laptop, off the network. first, the
> build of forrest required online access to download something from
> krysalis.org. dead stop. :-) okey, so i tried again after going
> online, and the forrest build seemed to work all right. (the
> documentation about setting FORREST_HOME seems a wee bit unclear about
> whether it's required for forrest to run or not, and whether it shoul
> refer to the shbat directory or the shbat/bin one. oh, well.)
It's needed for Windows (specifically win95) but not for 'nix, though
AFAIK all the docs say it's required. If you can point me to the unclear
docs I can fix'em.
> then i tried to run forrest and it complained about there being no ant.
> so i installed ant.
Hmm.. xml-forrest actually comes with a copy of Ant, so it's a bit dumb
that we don't use it. I'll fix this some time over the next week. I
think that so far, most people who try Forrest (esp its developers) have
Ant installed, so nobody saw this obvious improvement.
> ran forrest again against your files, and it wiped them all and complained.
> in not-too-readable-except-in-a-browser html, and i'm not sure what it's
> complaining about.
I don't know what files you were trying to convert, so can't comment. To
eliminate Forrest itself, or any environmental weirdness, as a cause of
the trouble, one can type 'forrest seed site' in a clean directory.
'seed' populates the directory with a template site, and 'site' generates
HTML from it.
> i kinda assumed that whatever aspects of cocoon were needed were embedded
> in forrest, but perhaps not.
They are.. that's why the download is so big ;P
> so i downloaded cocoon. looking at its installation instructions, it
> says it needs tomcat. !!! this is getting out of hand just to be able
> to work on a single web site while i'm on my laptop! (tomcat: cd
> sourceforge ; make all)
>
> the prerequisites for forrest don't appear to be very well spelt out,
> so i don't know what i might be missing.
The only requirement _should_ be that Java be installed, though currently
Ant is also needed. I'll fix the Ant thing and document the JDK dep.
Cocoon and Tomcat certainly aren't needed.
> if it needs cocoon and doesn't find it,
> it would be nice if it would say so..
>
> i *really* don't want to have to set up a complete tomcat installation just
> to edit/build this small web site..
Sorry you had to jump through all those hoops. We'll get busy
eliminating the Ant hoop and documenting the unneededness of the others.
--Jeff
> --
> #ken P-)}
>
> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/
> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>
> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
Re: incubator project infrastructure set up
Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> I'll try to help but it's difficult for me, since I'm on a flacky 9.6
> GSM connection and I can't check what is up on my home dir... if this
> mail still cannot help you, contact the forrest-dev mailing list for
> further assistance.
well, i was trying to run it on my laptop, off the network. first, the
build of forrest required online access to download something from
krysalis.org. dead stop. :-) okey, so i tried again after going online,
and the forrest build seemed to work all right. (the documentation about
setting FORREST_HOME seems a wee bit unclear about whether it's required
for forrest to run or not, and whether it shoul refer to the shbat directory
or the shbat/bin one. oh, well.)
then i tried to run forrest and it complained about there being no ant.
so i installed ant.
ran forrest again against your files, and it wiped them all and complained.
in not-too-readable-except-in-a-browser html, and i'm not sure what it's
complaining about.
i kinda assumed that whatever aspects of cocoon were needed were embedded
in forrest, but perhaps not. so i downloaded cocoon. looking at its
installation instructions, it says it needs tomcat. !!! this is getting
out of hand just to be able to work on a single web site while i'm on my
laptop! (tomcat: cd sourceforge ; make all)
the prerequisites for forrest don't appear to be very well spelt out, so i
don't know what i might be missing. if it needs cocoon and doesn't find it,
it would be nice if it would say so..
i *really* don't want to have to set up a complete tomcat installation just
to edit/build this small web site..
--
#ken P-)}
Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/
Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
"Millennium hand and shrimp!"
Re: incubator project infrastructure set up
Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
[redirecting to general@]
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> If I understand you correctly, once we get Forrest not to delete the CVS
> dirs in build/site it should not be a problem.
how about this: change /www/incubator.apache.org (the current documentroot
for http://incubator.apache.org/) and make it an actual checkout of the
incubator-site cvs module. and change the web site's documentroot to point
to /www/incubator.apache.org/build/site instead?
then the site can be built in situ without having to copy any files around
(assuming the builder has also built forrest.. ;-)
of course, this still doesn't address my desire to have the generated files
in cvs.. so maybe this is pointless.