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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org> on 2008/02/16 17:12:12 UTC
Rename cocoon:rcl to cocoon:wrap-block
After having seen quite a few people wonder what 'cocoon:rcl' means, I propose
to change it to some better name.
The general idea is that this Maven goal creates a web application which wraps
the block and makes it runable as a 'normal' web application in a web container.
Additionally it enables the usage of the reloading classloader (commons-jci)
which made me name it 'cocoon:rcl'.
I propose to use 'cocoon:wrap-block' instead. Though it's longer I think it's
closer to the actual meaning and hence less confusing. If we want to keep the
name short, we could even add a shortcut 'cocoon:wb'.
WDOT? Other proposals?
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Reinhard Pötz Managing Director, {Indoqa} GmbH
http://www.indoqa.com/en/people/reinhard.poetz/
Member of the Apache Software Foundation
Apache Cocoon Committer, PMC member, PMC Chair reinhard@apache.org
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Re: Rename cocoon:rcl to cocoon:wrap-block
Posted by Rainer Pruy <Ra...@Acrys.COM>.
Then....
cocoon:prepare
or (more verbose)
cocoon:prepare-run
does sound appropriate....
Jason Johnston schrieb:
> Reinhard Poetz wrote:
>> Felix Knecht wrote:
>>> Reinhard Poetz schrieb:
>>>>
>>>> After having seen quite a few people wonder what 'cocoon:rcl' means,
>>>> I propose to change it to some better name.
>>>>
>>>> The general idea is that this Maven goal creates a web application
>>>> which wraps the block and makes it runable as a 'normal' web
>>>> application in a web container. Additionally it enables the usage of
>>>> the reloading classloader (commons-jci) which made me name it
>>>> 'cocoon:rcl'.
>>>>
>>>> I propose to use 'cocoon:wrap-block' instead. Though it's longer I
>>>> think it's closer to the actual meaning and hence less confusing. If
>>>> we want to keep the name short, we could even add a shortcut
>>>> 'cocoon:wb'.
>>>>
>>>> WDOT? Other proposals?
>>>>
>>> cocoon:run
>>
>> Actually it doesn't run the block but only creates the environment
>> (i.e. a web application that wraps a block) for it.
>>
>
> cocoon:package
> cocoon:assemble
>
> (Though "package" has a specific connotation in the Maven world of
> creating a jar/war/etc. ... does this goal do that as well?)
Re: Rename cocoon:rcl to cocoon:wrap-block
Posted by Jason Johnston <jj...@apache.org>.
Reinhard Poetz wrote:
> Felix Knecht wrote:
>> Reinhard Poetz schrieb:
>>>
>>> After having seen quite a few people wonder what 'cocoon:rcl' means,
>>> I propose to change it to some better name.
>>>
>>> The general idea is that this Maven goal creates a web application
>>> which wraps the block and makes it runable as a 'normal' web
>>> application in a web container. Additionally it enables the usage of
>>> the reloading classloader (commons-jci) which made me name it
>>> 'cocoon:rcl'.
>>>
>>> I propose to use 'cocoon:wrap-block' instead. Though it's longer I
>>> think it's closer to the actual meaning and hence less confusing. If
>>> we want to keep the name short, we could even add a shortcut
>>> 'cocoon:wb'.
>>>
>>> WDOT? Other proposals?
>>>
>> cocoon:run
>
> Actually it doesn't run the block but only creates the environment (i.e.
> a web application that wraps a block) for it.
>
cocoon:package
cocoon:assemble
(Though "package" has a specific connotation in the Maven world of
creating a jar/war/etc. ... does this goal do that as well?)
Re: Rename cocoon:rcl to cocoon:wrap-block
Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
Felix Knecht wrote:
> Reinhard Poetz schrieb:
>>
>> After having seen quite a few people wonder what 'cocoon:rcl' means, I
>> propose to change it to some better name.
>>
>> The general idea is that this Maven goal creates a web application
>> which wraps the block and makes it runable as a 'normal' web
>> application in a web container. Additionally it enables the usage of
>> the reloading classloader (commons-jci) which made me name it
>> 'cocoon:rcl'.
>>
>> I propose to use 'cocoon:wrap-block' instead. Though it's longer I
>> think it's closer to the actual meaning and hence less confusing. If
>> we want to keep the name short, we could even add a shortcut 'cocoon:wb'.
>>
>> WDOT? Other proposals?
>>
> cocoon:run
Actually it doesn't run the block but only creates the environment (i.e. a web
application that wraps a block) for it.
--
Reinhard Pötz Managing Director, {Indoqa} GmbH
http://www.indoqa.com/en/people/reinhard.poetz/
Member of the Apache Software Foundation
Apache Cocoon Committer, PMC member, PMC Chair reinhard@apache.org
_________________________________________________________________________
Re: Rename cocoon:rcl to cocoon:wrap-block
Posted by Felix Knecht <fe...@apache.org>.
Reinhard Poetz schrieb:
>
> After having seen quite a few people wonder what 'cocoon:rcl' means, I
> propose to change it to some better name.
>
> The general idea is that this Maven goal creates a web application
> which wraps the block and makes it runable as a 'normal' web
> application in a web container. Additionally it enables the usage of
> the reloading classloader (commons-jci) which made me name it
> 'cocoon:rcl'.
>
> I propose to use 'cocoon:wrap-block' instead. Though it's longer I
> think it's closer to the actual meaning and hence less confusing. If
> we want to keep the name short, we could even add a shortcut 'cocoon:wb'.
>
> WDOT? Other proposals?
>
cocoon:run
My 2 cents
Felix
Re: Rename cocoon:rcl to cocoon:wrap-block
Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> cocoon:loader
For me the best suggestion so far. But what do native speaker feel when they
read/enter this? Does it sound natural?
Think that you usually enter
mvn cocoon:loader jetty:run
when you want to run a block.
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Reinhard Pötz Managing Director, {Indoqa} GmbH
http://www.indoqa.com/en/people/reinhard.poetz/
Member of the Apache Software Foundation
Apache Cocoon Committer, PMC member, PMC Chair reinhard@apache.org
_________________________________________________________________________
Re: Rename cocoon:rcl to cocoon:wrap-block
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@juntadeandalucia.es>.
On Wed, 2008-02-20 at 08:16 -0500, Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
> On Feb 16, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Torsten Curdt wrote:
>
> > On 16.02.2008, at 17:12, Reinhard Poetz wrote:
> >
> >> After having seen quite a few people wonder what 'cocoon:rcl'
> >> means, I propose to change it to some better name.
> >>
> >> The general idea is that this Maven goal creates a web application
> >> which wraps the block and makes it runable as a 'normal' web
> >> application in a web container. Additionally it enables the usage
> >> of the reloading classloader (commons-jci) which made me name it
> >> 'cocoon:rcl'.
> >>
> >> I propose to use 'cocoon:wrap-block' instead. Though it's longer I
> >> think it's closer to the actual meaning and hence less confusing.
> >> If we want to keep the name short, we could even add a shortcut
> >> 'cocoon:wb'.
> >
> > "wrap-block" ??? Hm ...I cannot really see how that is much better -
> > sorry ;)
> >
> > What about "cocoon:webapp-loader"
>
> cocoon:reloader (shorter), or cocoon:webapp-reloader (more descriptive)
cocoon:loader
salu2
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Thorsten Scherler thorsten.at.apache.org
Open Source Java consulting, training and solutions
Re: Rename cocoon:rcl to cocoon:wrap-block
Posted by Grzegorz Kossakowski <gr...@tuffmail.com>.
Reinhard Poetz pisze:
> Thorsten Scherler wrote:
>> Maybe even shorter and c-64 style: ;)
>>
>> mvn cocoon:load jetty:run
>
> after reading all the mails again, here are my two favorits:
>
> mvn cocoon:load jetty:run
> mvn cocoon:prepare jetty:run
>
> WDOT?
+1 for cocoon:prepare provided it helps people...
Grzegorz
Re: Rename cocoon:rcl to cocoon:wrap-block
Posted by Joerg Heinicke <jo...@gmx.de>.
On 20.02.2008 12:47, Reinhard Poetz wrote:
>> mvn cocoon:load jetty:run
>
> after reading all the mails again, here are my two favorits:
>
> mvn cocoon:load jetty:run
> mvn cocoon:prepare jetty:run
Considering your explanation [1] I slightly prefer cocoon:prepare.
Joerg
[1] http://marc.info/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=120351863516460&w=4
Re: Rename cocoon:rcl to cocoon:wrap-block
Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> Maybe even shorter and c-64 style: ;)
>
> mvn cocoon:load jetty:run
after reading all the mails again, here are my two favorits:
mvn cocoon:load jetty:run
mvn cocoon:prepare jetty:run
WDOT?
--
Reinhard Pötz Managing Director, {Indoqa} GmbH
http://www.indoqa.com/en/people/reinhard.poetz/
Member of the Apache Software Foundation
Apache Cocoon Committer, PMC member, PMC Chair reinhard@apache.org
_________________________________________________________________________
Re: Rename cocoon:rcl to cocoon:wrap-block
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@juntadeandalucia.es>.
On Wed, 2008-02-20 at 16:19 +0100, Torsten Curdt wrote:
> On 20.02.2008, at 15:50, Reinhard Poetz wrote:
>
> > Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
> >> On Feb 16, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Torsten Curdt wrote:
> >>> What about "cocoon:webapp-loader"
> >> cocoon:reloader (shorter), or cocoon:webapp-reloader (more
> >> descriptive)
> >
> > That this goal supports the usage of a reloading classloader is
> > just a feature but (at least in trunk) configureable. Hence I'm not
> > that enthusiastic about loader or reloader.
> >
> > ... or am I too picky?
>
> No ...I was thinking the same :) ...which is why I would think
> 'cocoon:loader' (not reloader) would be OK.
Maybe even shorter and c-64 style: ;)
mvn cocoon:load jetty:run
salu2
--
Thorsten Scherler thorsten.at.apache.org
Open Source Java consulting, training and solutions
Re: Rename cocoon:rcl to cocoon:wrap-block
Posted by Torsten Curdt <tc...@apache.org>.
On 20.02.2008, at 15:50, Reinhard Poetz wrote:
> Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
>> On Feb 16, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Torsten Curdt wrote:
>>> What about "cocoon:webapp-loader"
>> cocoon:reloader (shorter), or cocoon:webapp-reloader (more
>> descriptive)
>
> That this goal supports the usage of a reloading classloader is
> just a feature but (at least in trunk) configureable. Hence I'm not
> that enthusiastic about loader or reloader.
>
> ... or am I too picky?
No ...I was thinking the same :) ...which is why I would think
'cocoon:loader' (not reloader) would be OK. On the other hand this
looks quite consistent:
mvn cocoon:run jetty:run
It might be technically not really correct but looks nice and
straight forward. Think users might like that.
cheers
--
Torsten
Re: Rename cocoon:rcl to cocoon:wrap-block
Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
> On Feb 16, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Torsten Curdt wrote:
>> What about "cocoon:webapp-loader"
>
> cocoon:reloader (shorter), or cocoon:webapp-reloader (more descriptive)
That this goal supports the usage of a reloading classloader is just a feature
but (at least in trunk) configureable. Hence I'm not that enthusiastic about
loader or reloader.
... or am I too picky?
--
Reinhard Pötz Managing Director, {Indoqa} GmbH
http://www.indoqa.com/en/people/reinhard.poetz/
Member of the Apache Software Foundation
Apache Cocoon Committer, PMC member, PMC Chair reinhard@apache.org
_________________________________________________________________________
Re: Rename cocoon:rcl to cocoon:wrap-block
Posted by Vadim Gritsenko <va...@reverycodes.com>.
On Feb 16, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Torsten Curdt wrote:
> On 16.02.2008, at 17:12, Reinhard Poetz wrote:
>
>> After having seen quite a few people wonder what 'cocoon:rcl'
>> means, I propose to change it to some better name.
>>
>> The general idea is that this Maven goal creates a web application
>> which wraps the block and makes it runable as a 'normal' web
>> application in a web container. Additionally it enables the usage
>> of the reloading classloader (commons-jci) which made me name it
>> 'cocoon:rcl'.
>>
>> I propose to use 'cocoon:wrap-block' instead. Though it's longer I
>> think it's closer to the actual meaning and hence less confusing.
>> If we want to keep the name short, we could even add a shortcut
>> 'cocoon:wb'.
>
> "wrap-block" ??? Hm ...I cannot really see how that is much better -
> sorry ;)
>
> What about "cocoon:webapp-loader"
cocoon:reloader (shorter), or cocoon:webapp-reloader (more descriptive)
Vadim
Re: Rename cocoon:rcl to cocoon:wrap-block
Posted by Torsten Curdt <tc...@apache.org>.
On 16.02.2008, at 17:12, Reinhard Poetz wrote:
>
> After having seen quite a few people wonder what 'cocoon:rcl'
> means, I propose to change it to some better name.
>
> The general idea is that this Maven goal creates a web application
> which wraps the block and makes it runable as a 'normal' web
> application in a web container. Additionally it enables the usage
> of the reloading classloader (commons-jci) which made me name it
> 'cocoon:rcl'.
>
> I propose to use 'cocoon:wrap-block' instead. Though it's longer I
> think it's closer to the actual meaning and hence less confusing.
> If we want to keep the name short, we could even add a shortcut
> 'cocoon:wb'.
"wrap-block" ??? Hm ...I cannot really see how that is much better -
sorry ;)
What about "cocoon:webapp-loader"
cheers
--
Torsten