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Posted to dev@karaf.apache.org by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> on 2011/02/13 10:02:27 UTC
Re: Problems with features startlevel
I'd like us to double check why the etc/custom.properties isn't
sufficient, as that was the exact goal, i.e. an empty placeholder
where one could easily define any overriden properties. So we may
want to improve / fix any problem there first
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 08:45, <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> Quick update regarding your latest e-mail. I propose to upgrade the karaf
> scripts (in the bin directory) to be able to read a file in the etc
> directory (for instance etc/karaf.rc) in which you can put several custom
> configuration (window title on windows, java options, karaf home, instances
> name, etc). I have to think deeper about that but defintely it makes sense.
> We already extended the branding.properties to allow users to customize the
> karaf prompt in addition of the welcome message, so it's the same area of
> customization.
>
> Regards
> JB
> ________________________________
> From: Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>
> Sender: bengt.rodehav@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 20:11:45 +0100
> To: <us...@karaf.apache.org>; <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> Subject: Re: Problems with features startlevel
> You're welcome. I think Karaf is an extremely versatile deployment platform
> and I gladly contribute.
> BTW, I haven't looked at exactly how ServiceMix customizes Karaf but I
> imagine they customize quite a lot. A good criteria for good customisation
> support might be when ServiceMix can use a new version of Karaf without
> changing any of the files packaged with Karaf...
> /Bengt
>
> 2011/2/12 <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>
>> Thanks Bengt for your complete feedback. I'm gonna raise some Jiras about
>> that.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>> ________________________________
>> From: Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>
>> Sender: bengt.rodehav@gmail.com
>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:57:38 +0100
>> To: <us...@karaf.apache.org>; <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>> ReplyTo: user@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Problems with features startlevel
>> Hello JB and Andreas,
>> Just read the documentation about "custom distribution". Good
>> documentation. It is very close to the way I handle things today. What I
>> would like to avoid, however, is, e g having to edit
>> system.properties/startup.properties everytime I upgrade to a new version of
>> Karaf. I would prefer to keep them intact and instead put my custom system
>> properties in a "custom_system.properties" and my extra bundles in a
>> "custom_startup.properties", and so on. Why not one extra level of
>> indirection? Karaf could allow the user to specify (e g in
>> karaf-custom.cfg...) in what additional locations Karaf should look for
>> additional system properties, additional bundles to load at startup etc.
>> Then it's the actual launching of Karaf. Presently I have to customise
>> karaf.bat, karaf-service.bat and karaf-wrapper.conf. I would like those
>> existing files to be more customisable/brandable so that I don't have to
>> modify the Karaf distribution at all. In production, I use the wrapper
>> service which doesn't come "unpacked" with Karaf. When I download a new
>> version of Karaf I have to install it, start it and finally install the
>> wrapper service. Then I have a base for customisation since until then I
>> didn't even have access to the wrapper files bundled with Karaf.
>> In summary I think that the goal with a customised server should be that
>> all customisation (within reasonable limits) should be possible to do
>> without modifying any files that come with the Karaf distribution. My
>> customisation should solely exist of files that I add to Karaf and therefore
>> do normally not need to be updated with every new Karaf version.
>> Personally I need to customise the following ("my reasonable limits"?):
>> - Console title
>> - Windows service title/name/display name/description
>> - Memory requirements (-Xmx and -XX:MaxPermSize)
>> - Define system properties on the command line (-D)
>> - Probably need to customise the entire java command line since I might
>> want to override parameters that are set by the Karaf distribution (e g the
>> Derby data directory)
>> - KARAF_HOME/KARAF_BASE (when running as a service)
>> - Wrapper log configuration (the normal logging is specified
>> in org.ops4j.pax.logging.cfg in which case I use my own version)
>> - What features to install. I use my own org.apache.karaf.features.cfg
>> which is fine.
>> - What ports to use. The reason is that we must allow more than one Karaf
>> installation on the same server (e g production and test). Presently I
>> therefore modify org.apache.karaf.management.cfg, org.ops4j.pax.web.cfg
>> and org.apache.karaf.shell.cfg where I replace the ports with property
>> placeholders that I filter with maven-assembly-plugin.
>> - Additional bundles to load at startup (the reason why I started this
>> thread on the mailing list) which I now have to add in startup.properties.
>> /Bengt
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/2/12 <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>>
>>> Hi Bengt,
>>>
>>> I've added documentation about custom distriubtion yesterday.
>>> Anyway, there is an open discussion about Karaf profiles, still in
>>> brainstorming mode ;)
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>
>>> Sender: bengt.rodehav@gmail.com
>>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 09:18:46 +0100
>>> To: <us...@karaf.apache.org>
>>> ReplyTo: user@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Problems with features startlevel
>>> Good morning Guillaume,
>>> Hope you got a few hours of sleep anyway. I'm also in GMT+1 (Stockholm)
>>> and sleep too little but I'm not quite in your class..
>>> I've seen a conversation in the Karaf forums where you've discussed how
>>> to create custom servers more easily. That's a very interesting topic for
>>> me. Ideally I would like to take a standard Karaf installation without
>>> really having to modify any of the files but just add my custom
>>> configuration. That way it would be so much easier to upgrade Karaf
>>> versions. So, not wanting to edit startup.properties stem from that desire.
>>> Things I would like to customize (with extension points, not by modifying
>>> Karaf standard installation) are, among others:
>>> - All names that are visible: title, NT service title and description...
>>> - Memory requirements
>>> - Other java options, especially system properties
>>> - The use of environment variables to determine where I put my data (log,
>>> Derby, configuration, etc). I don't want to have this as part of the Karaf
>>> installation since it makes upgrades much harder.
>>> - Bundles to load at startup (startup.properties)
>>> - Features to install. Here I actually just
>>> overwrite org.apache.karaf.features.cfg with my own which I think is OK.
>>> There are probably a few more things that I customize that I can't recall
>>> just now. However, upgrading the Karaf version is a lot of work which is why
>>> I would really like it to be easier to customize the installation. Have you
>>> had any more discussions on this topic?
>>> /Bengt
>>>
>>> 2011/2/12 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 00:38, Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com> wrote:
>>>> > Ok, thanks. Is there know way to avoid having to modify
>>>> > startup.properties
>>>> > then?
>>>>
>>>> Not really at startup. I think after a restart, things are different
>>>> as the cglib bundle is already installed and should be used by the
>>>> framework.
>>>>
>>>> > (Do you never sleep or are we in different time zones?)
>>>>
>>>> GMT +1, and not much / enough sleep unfortunately ;-)
>>>>
>>>> > Den 12 feb 2011 00.15 skrev "Guillaume Nodet" <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Problems with features startlevel
Posted by jb...@nanthrax.net.
Agree I'm preparing some test cases.
-----Original Message-----
From: Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:02:27
To: <de...@karaf.apache.org>
Reply-To: dev@karaf.apache.org
Subject: Re: Problems with features startlevel
I'd like us to double check why the etc/custom.properties isn't
sufficient, as that was the exact goal, i.e. an empty placeholder
where one could easily define any overriden properties. So we may
want to improve / fix any problem there first
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 08:45, <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> Quick update regarding your latest e-mail. I propose to upgrade the karaf
> scripts (in the bin directory) to be able to read a file in the etc
> directory (for instance etc/karaf.rc) in which you can put several custom
> configuration (window title on windows, java options, karaf home, instances
> name, etc). I have to think deeper about that but defintely it makes sense.
> We already extended the branding.properties to allow users to customize the
> karaf prompt in addition of the welcome message, so it's the same area of
> customization.
>
> Regards
> JB
>________________________________
> From: Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>
> Sender: bengt.rodehav@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 20:11:45 +0100
> To: <us...@karaf.apache.org>; <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> Subject: Re: Problems with features startlevel
> You're welcome. I think Karaf is an extremely versatile deployment platform
> and I gladly contribute.
> BTW, I haven't looked at exactly how ServiceMix customizes Karaf but I
> imagine they customize quite a lot. A good criteria for good customisation
> support might be when ServiceMix can use a new version of Karaf without
> changing any of the files packaged with Karaf...
> /Bengt
>
> 2011/2/12 <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>
>> Thanks Bengt for your complete feedback. I'm gonna raise some Jiras about
>> that.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>________________________________
>> From: Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>
>> Sender: bengt.rodehav@gmail.com
>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:57:38 +0100
>> To: <us...@karaf.apache.org>; <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>> ReplyTo: user@karaf.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Problems with features startlevel
>> Hello JB and Andreas,
>> Just read the documentation about "custom distribution". Good
>> documentation. It is very close to the way I handle things today. What I
>> would like to avoid, however, is, e g having to edit
>> system.properties/startup.properties everytime I upgrade to a new version of
>> Karaf. I would prefer to keep them intact and instead put my custom system
>> properties in a "custom_system.properties" and my extra bundles in a
>> "custom_startup.properties", and so on. Why not one extra level of
>> indirection? Karaf could allow the user to specify (e g in
>> karaf-custom.cfg...) in what additional locations Karaf should look for
>> additional system properties, additional bundles to load at startup etc.
>> Then it's the actual launching of Karaf. Presently I have to customise
>> karaf.bat, karaf-service.bat and karaf-wrapper.conf. I would like those
>> existing files to be more customisable/brandable so that I don't have to
>> modify the Karaf distribution at all. In production, I use the wrapper
>> service which doesn't come "unpacked" with Karaf. When I download a new
>> version of Karaf I have to install it, start it and finally install the
>> wrapper service. Then I have a base for customisation since until then I
>> didn't even have access to the wrapper files bundled with Karaf.
>> In summary I think that the goal with a customised server should be that
>> all customisation (within reasonable limits) should be possible to do
>> without modifying any files that come with the Karaf distribution. My
>> customisation should solely exist of files that I add to Karaf and therefore
>> do normally not need to be updated with every new Karaf version.
>> Personally I need to customise the following ("my reasonable limits"?):
>> - Console title
>> - Windows service title/name/display name/description
>> - Memory requirements (-Xmx and -XX:MaxPermSize)
>> - Define system properties on the command line (-D)
>> - Probably need to customise the entire java command line since I might
>> want to override parameters that are set by the Karaf distribution (e g the
>> Derby data directory)
>> - KARAF_HOME/KARAF_BASE (when running as a service)
>> - Wrapper log configuration (the normal logging is specified
>> in org.ops4j.pax.logging.cfg in which case I use my own version)
>> - What features to install. I use my own org.apache.karaf.features.cfg
>> which is fine.
>> - What ports to use. The reason is that we must allow more than one Karaf
>> installation on the same server (e g production and test). Presently I
>> therefore modify org.apache.karaf.management.cfg, org.ops4j.pax.web.cfg
>> and org.apache.karaf.shell.cfg where I replace the ports with property
>> placeholders that I filter with maven-assembly-plugin.
>> - Additional bundles to load at startup (the reason why I started this
>> thread on the mailing list) which I now have to add in startup.properties.
>> /Bengt
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/2/12 <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>>
>>> Hi Bengt,
>>>
>>> I've added documentation about custom distriubtion yesterday.
>>> Anyway, there is an open discussion about Karaf profiles, still in
>>> brainstorming mode ;)
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>________________________________
>>> From: Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>
>>> Sender: bengt.rodehav@gmail.com
>>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 09:18:46 +0100
>>> To: <us...@karaf.apache.org>
>>> ReplyTo: user@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Problems with features startlevel
>>> Good morning Guillaume,
>>> Hope you got a few hours of sleep anyway. I'm also in GMT+1 (Stockholm)
>>> and sleep too little but I'm not quite in your class..
>>> I've seen a conversation in the Karaf forums where you've discussed how
>>> to create custom servers more easily. That's a very interesting topic for
>>> me. Ideally I would like to take a standard Karaf installation without
>>> really having to modify any of the files but just add my custom
>>> configuration. That way it would be so much easier to upgrade Karaf
>>> versions. So, not wanting to edit startup.properties stem from that desire.
>>> Things I would like to customize (with extension points, not by modifying
>>> Karaf standard installation) are, among others:
>>> - All names that are visible: title, NT service title and description...
>>> - Memory requirements
>>> - Other java options, especially system properties
>>> - The use of environment variables to determine where I put my data (log,
>>> Derby, configuration, etc). I don't want to have this as part of the Karaf
>>> installation since it makes upgrades much harder.
>>> - Bundles to load at startup (startup.properties)
>>> - Features to install. Here I actually just
>>> overwrite org.apache.karaf.features.cfg with my own which I think is OK.
>>> There are probably a few more things that I customize that I can't recall
>>> just now. However, upgrading the Karaf version is a lot of work which is why
>>> I would really like it to be easier to customize the installation. Have you
>>> had any more discussions on this topic?
>>> /Bengt
>>>
>>> 2011/2/12 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 00:38, Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com> wrote:
>>>> > Ok, thanks. Is there know way to avoid having to modify
>>>> > startup.properties
>>>> > then?
>>>>
>>>> Not really at startup. I think after a restart, things are different
>>>> as the cglib bundle is already installed and should be used by the
>>>> framework.
>>>>
>>>> > (Do you never sleep or are we in different time zones?)
>>>>
>>>> GMT +1, and not much / enough sleep unfortunately ;-)
>>>>
>>>> > Den 12 feb 2011 00.15 skrev "Guillaume Nodet" <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Problems with features startlevel
Posted by Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>.
At first sight it sounds like the custom.properties file should help me with
a lot of the stuff I need. However, I have troubles getting it to work. Two
questions:
1. Can I specify additional system properties somewhere? Or perhaps an
additional location (except for system.properties) where I can put my custom
system.properties without having to modify system.propereties?
2. I'm trying to add cglib as a bundle to start initially without modifying
startup.properties. I then created a custom.properties file where I put the
following line:
*
> karaf.auto.start.40=org/apache/servicemix/bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.cglib/2.1_3_4/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.cglib-2.1_3_4.jar
> *
But it doesn't work. On startup I get the following error message:
*Error installing bundle
> org/apache/servicemix/bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bun
> dles.cglib/2.1_3_4/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.cglib-2.1_3_4.jar:
> java.lang.Ar
> rayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 1*
Also, the custom.properties that comes with Karaf is not empty. It contains
the following line:
*karaf.systemBundlesStartLevel=50*
If this is a default, then it shouldn't be in custom.properties. I think
custom.properties should be empty in the Karaf distribution. In fact one can
argue that the file shouldn't be included at all in the distribution and
that it should be created if any customisation is needed.
I think if I can avoid having to modify startup.properties and
system.properties and instead use custom.properties I can come a long way.
However, I can't presently see how that would solve the customisation of the
actual launching of Karaf/java (java options, console title etc). I think
also customisation of karaf-wrapper.conf is important since that's what I
really use and it contains a lot of things that Karaf needs mixed with stuff
that I need to customise.
/Bengt
2011/2/13 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
> I'd like us to double check why the etc/custom.properties isn't
> sufficient, as that was the exact goal, i.e. an empty placeholder
> where one could easily define any overriden properties. So we may
> want to improve / fix any problem there first
>
> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 08:45, <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> > Quick update regarding your latest e-mail. I propose to upgrade the karaf
> > scripts (in the bin directory) to be able to read a file in the etc
> > directory (for instance etc/karaf.rc) in which you can put several custom
> > configuration (window title on windows, java options, karaf home,
> instances
> > name, etc). I have to think deeper about that but defintely it makes
> sense.
> > We already extended the branding.properties to allow users to customize
> the
> > karaf prompt in addition of the welcome message, so it's the same area of
> > customization.
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> > ________________________________
> > From: Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>
> > Sender: bengt.rodehav@gmail.com
> > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 20:11:45 +0100
> > To: <us...@karaf.apache.org>; <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> > Subject: Re: Problems with features startlevel
> > You're welcome. I think Karaf is an extremely versatile deployment
> platform
> > and I gladly contribute.
> > BTW, I haven't looked at exactly how ServiceMix customizes Karaf but I
> > imagine they customize quite a lot. A good criteria for good
> customisation
> > support might be when ServiceMix can use a new version of Karaf without
> > changing any of the files packaged with Karaf...
> > /Bengt
> >
> > 2011/2/12 <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> >>
> >> Thanks Bengt for your complete feedback. I'm gonna raise some Jiras
> about
> >> that.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> JB
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>
> >> Sender: bengt.rodehav@gmail.com
> >> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:57:38 +0100
> >> To: <us...@karaf.apache.org>; <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> >> ReplyTo: user@karaf.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: Problems with features startlevel
> >> Hello JB and Andreas,
> >> Just read the documentation about "custom distribution". Good
> >> documentation. It is very close to the way I handle things today. What I
> >> would like to avoid, however, is, e g having to edit
> >> system.properties/startup.properties everytime I upgrade to a new
> version of
> >> Karaf. I would prefer to keep them intact and instead put my custom
> system
> >> properties in a "custom_system.properties" and my extra bundles in a
> >> "custom_startup.properties", and so on. Why not one extra level of
> >> indirection? Karaf could allow the user to specify (e g in
> >> karaf-custom.cfg...) in what additional locations Karaf should look for
> >> additional system properties, additional bundles to load at startup etc.
> >> Then it's the actual launching of Karaf. Presently I have to customise
> >> karaf.bat, karaf-service.bat and karaf-wrapper.conf. I would like those
> >> existing files to be more customisable/brandable so that I don't have to
> >> modify the Karaf distribution at all. In production, I use the wrapper
> >> service which doesn't come "unpacked" with Karaf. When I download a new
> >> version of Karaf I have to install it, start it and finally install the
> >> wrapper service. Then I have a base for customisation since until then I
> >> didn't even have access to the wrapper files bundled with Karaf.
> >> In summary I think that the goal with a customised server should be that
> >> all customisation (within reasonable limits) should be possible to do
> >> without modifying any files that come with the Karaf distribution. My
> >> customisation should solely exist of files that I add to Karaf and
> therefore
> >> do normally not need to be updated with every new Karaf version.
> >> Personally I need to customise the following ("my reasonable limits"?):
> >> - Console title
> >> - Windows service title/name/display name/description
> >> - Memory requirements (-Xmx and -XX:MaxPermSize)
> >> - Define system properties on the command line (-D)
> >> - Probably need to customise the entire java command line since I might
> >> want to override parameters that are set by the Karaf distribution (e g
> the
> >> Derby data directory)
> >> - KARAF_HOME/KARAF_BASE (when running as a service)
> >> - Wrapper log configuration (the normal logging is specified
> >> in org.ops4j.pax.logging.cfg in which case I use my own version)
> >> - What features to install. I use my own org.apache.karaf.features.cfg
> >> which is fine.
> >> - What ports to use. The reason is that we must allow more than one
> Karaf
> >> installation on the same server (e g production and test). Presently I
> >> therefore modify org.apache.karaf.management.cfg, org.ops4j.pax.web.cfg
> >> and org.apache.karaf.shell.cfg where I replace the ports with property
> >> placeholders that I filter with maven-assembly-plugin.
> >> - Additional bundles to load at startup (the reason why I started this
> >> thread on the mailing list) which I now have to add in
> startup.properties.
> >> /Bengt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2011/2/12 <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Bengt,
> >>>
> >>> I've added documentation about custom distriubtion yesterday.
> >>> Anyway, there is an open discussion about Karaf profiles, still in
> >>> brainstorming mode ;)
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> JB
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>
> >>> Sender: bengt.rodehav@gmail.com
> >>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 09:18:46 +0100
> >>> To: <us...@karaf.apache.org>
> >>> ReplyTo: user@karaf.apache.org
> >>> Subject: Re: Problems with features startlevel
> >>> Good morning Guillaume,
> >>> Hope you got a few hours of sleep anyway. I'm also in GMT+1 (Stockholm)
> >>> and sleep too little but I'm not quite in your class..
> >>> I've seen a conversation in the Karaf forums where you've discussed how
> >>> to create custom servers more easily. That's a very interesting topic
> for
> >>> me. Ideally I would like to take a standard Karaf installation without
> >>> really having to modify any of the files but just add my custom
> >>> configuration. That way it would be so much easier to upgrade Karaf
> >>> versions. So, not wanting to edit startup.properties stem from that
> desire.
> >>> Things I would like to customize (with extension points, not by
> modifying
> >>> Karaf standard installation) are, among others:
> >>> - All names that are visible: title, NT service title and
> description...
> >>> - Memory requirements
> >>> - Other java options, especially system properties
> >>> - The use of environment variables to determine where I put my data
> (log,
> >>> Derby, configuration, etc). I don't want to have this as part of the
> Karaf
> >>> installation since it makes upgrades much harder.
> >>> - Bundles to load at startup (startup.properties)
> >>> - Features to install. Here I actually just
> >>> overwrite org.apache.karaf.features.cfg with my own which I think is
> OK.
> >>> There are probably a few more things that I customize that I can't
> recall
> >>> just now. However, upgrading the Karaf version is a lot of work which
> is why
> >>> I would really like it to be easier to customize the installation. Have
> you
> >>> had any more discussions on this topic?
> >>> /Bengt
> >>>
> >>> 2011/2/12 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 00:38, Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> > Ok, thanks. Is there know way to avoid having to modify
> >>>> > startup.properties
> >>>> > then?
> >>>>
> >>>> Not really at startup. I think after a restart, things are different
> >>>> as the cglib bundle is already installed and should be used by the
> >>>> framework.
> >>>>
> >>>> > (Do you never sleep or are we in different time zones?)
> >>>>
> >>>> GMT +1, and not much / enough sleep unfortunately ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> > Den 12 feb 2011 00.15 skrev "Guillaume Nodet" <gn...@gmail.com>:
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Guillaume Nodet
> >>>> ------------------------
> >>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> >>>> ------------------------
> >>>> Open Source SOA
> >>>> http://fusesource.com
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
Re: Problems with features startlevel
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Btw, that was https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KARAF-110 which
has been fixed last year.
There is certainly room for improvements though as maybe not all use
cases are solved yet.
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:02, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like us to double check why the etc/custom.properties isn't
> sufficient, as that was the exact goal, i.e. an empty placeholder
> where one could easily define any overriden properties. So we may
> want to improve / fix any problem there first
>
> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 08:45, <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>> Quick update regarding your latest e-mail. I propose to upgrade the karaf
>> scripts (in the bin directory) to be able to read a file in the etc
>> directory (for instance etc/karaf.rc) in which you can put several custom
>> configuration (window title on windows, java options, karaf home, instances
>> name, etc). I have to think deeper about that but defintely it makes sense.
>> We already extended the branding.properties to allow users to customize the
>> karaf prompt in addition of the welcome message, so it's the same area of
>> customization.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>> ________________________________
>> From: Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>
>> Sender: bengt.rodehav@gmail.com
>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 20:11:45 +0100
>> To: <us...@karaf.apache.org>; <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>> Subject: Re: Problems with features startlevel
>> You're welcome. I think Karaf is an extremely versatile deployment platform
>> and I gladly contribute.
>> BTW, I haven't looked at exactly how ServiceMix customizes Karaf but I
>> imagine they customize quite a lot. A good criteria for good customisation
>> support might be when ServiceMix can use a new version of Karaf without
>> changing any of the files packaged with Karaf...
>> /Bengt
>>
>> 2011/2/12 <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>>
>>> Thanks Bengt for your complete feedback. I'm gonna raise some Jiras about
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>
>>> Sender: bengt.rodehav@gmail.com
>>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:57:38 +0100
>>> To: <us...@karaf.apache.org>; <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>> ReplyTo: user@karaf.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Problems with features startlevel
>>> Hello JB and Andreas,
>>> Just read the documentation about "custom distribution". Good
>>> documentation. It is very close to the way I handle things today. What I
>>> would like to avoid, however, is, e g having to edit
>>> system.properties/startup.properties everytime I upgrade to a new version of
>>> Karaf. I would prefer to keep them intact and instead put my custom system
>>> properties in a "custom_system.properties" and my extra bundles in a
>>> "custom_startup.properties", and so on. Why not one extra level of
>>> indirection? Karaf could allow the user to specify (e g in
>>> karaf-custom.cfg...) in what additional locations Karaf should look for
>>> additional system properties, additional bundles to load at startup etc.
>>> Then it's the actual launching of Karaf. Presently I have to customise
>>> karaf.bat, karaf-service.bat and karaf-wrapper.conf. I would like those
>>> existing files to be more customisable/brandable so that I don't have to
>>> modify the Karaf distribution at all. In production, I use the wrapper
>>> service which doesn't come "unpacked" with Karaf. When I download a new
>>> version of Karaf I have to install it, start it and finally install the
>>> wrapper service. Then I have a base for customisation since until then I
>>> didn't even have access to the wrapper files bundled with Karaf.
>>> In summary I think that the goal with a customised server should be that
>>> all customisation (within reasonable limits) should be possible to do
>>> without modifying any files that come with the Karaf distribution. My
>>> customisation should solely exist of files that I add to Karaf and therefore
>>> do normally not need to be updated with every new Karaf version.
>>> Personally I need to customise the following ("my reasonable limits"?):
>>> - Console title
>>> - Windows service title/name/display name/description
>>> - Memory requirements (-Xmx and -XX:MaxPermSize)
>>> - Define system properties on the command line (-D)
>>> - Probably need to customise the entire java command line since I might
>>> want to override parameters that are set by the Karaf distribution (e g the
>>> Derby data directory)
>>> - KARAF_HOME/KARAF_BASE (when running as a service)
>>> - Wrapper log configuration (the normal logging is specified
>>> in org.ops4j.pax.logging.cfg in which case I use my own version)
>>> - What features to install. I use my own org.apache.karaf.features.cfg
>>> which is fine.
>>> - What ports to use. The reason is that we must allow more than one Karaf
>>> installation on the same server (e g production and test). Presently I
>>> therefore modify org.apache.karaf.management.cfg, org.ops4j.pax.web.cfg
>>> and org.apache.karaf.shell.cfg where I replace the ports with property
>>> placeholders that I filter with maven-assembly-plugin.
>>> - Additional bundles to load at startup (the reason why I started this
>>> thread on the mailing list) which I now have to add in startup.properties.
>>> /Bengt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/2/12 <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bengt,
>>>>
>>>> I've added documentation about custom distriubtion yesterday.
>>>> Anyway, there is an open discussion about Karaf profiles, still in
>>>> brainstorming mode ;)
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>
>>>> Sender: bengt.rodehav@gmail.com
>>>> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 09:18:46 +0100
>>>> To: <us...@karaf.apache.org>
>>>> ReplyTo: user@karaf.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Problems with features startlevel
>>>> Good morning Guillaume,
>>>> Hope you got a few hours of sleep anyway. I'm also in GMT+1 (Stockholm)
>>>> and sleep too little but I'm not quite in your class..
>>>> I've seen a conversation in the Karaf forums where you've discussed how
>>>> to create custom servers more easily. That's a very interesting topic for
>>>> me. Ideally I would like to take a standard Karaf installation without
>>>> really having to modify any of the files but just add my custom
>>>> configuration. That way it would be so much easier to upgrade Karaf
>>>> versions. So, not wanting to edit startup.properties stem from that desire.
>>>> Things I would like to customize (with extension points, not by modifying
>>>> Karaf standard installation) are, among others:
>>>> - All names that are visible: title, NT service title and description...
>>>> - Memory requirements
>>>> - Other java options, especially system properties
>>>> - The use of environment variables to determine where I put my data (log,
>>>> Derby, configuration, etc). I don't want to have this as part of the Karaf
>>>> installation since it makes upgrades much harder.
>>>> - Bundles to load at startup (startup.properties)
>>>> - Features to install. Here I actually just
>>>> overwrite org.apache.karaf.features.cfg with my own which I think is OK.
>>>> There are probably a few more things that I customize that I can't recall
>>>> just now. However, upgrading the Karaf version is a lot of work which is why
>>>> I would really like it to be easier to customize the installation. Have you
>>>> had any more discussions on this topic?
>>>> /Bengt
>>>>
>>>> 2011/2/12 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 00:38, Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Ok, thanks. Is there know way to avoid having to modify
>>>>> > startup.properties
>>>>> > then?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really at startup. I think after a restart, things are different
>>>>> as the cglib bundle is already installed and should be used by the
>>>>> framework.
>>>>>
>>>>> > (Do you never sleep or are we in different time zones?)
>>>>>
>>>>> GMT +1, and not much / enough sleep unfortunately ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> > Den 12 feb 2011 00.15 skrev "Guillaume Nodet" <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>
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