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User Base
All,
I am trying to sell my lead on using this awesome search\indexing engine,
but he wants to know the user base for this product. He wants to be assured
that if we choose this products that it will not go away, and that we will
have some form of support. Worst case of course is we do have the source.
Anyhow if anyone can let me know what the user base is, or anything that
would lead to some assurance for him, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks,
Rob
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Re: User Base
Posted by Craig Walls <wa...@michaels.com>.
It used to be LGPL, but now it is ASL (Apache).
Rob Outar wrote:
> Is Lucene GPL or Apache?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Walls [mailto:wallsc@michaels.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 10:32 AM
> To: Lucene Users List
> Subject: Re: User Base
>
> Absolutely--I'm very aware of how the various OS licenses work and we avoid
> GPL like the
> plague. In fact, doing a quick mental inventory of the OS stuff we've used,
> I believe
> that all of it has been under the Apache license. We tinkered with an LGPL
> project once,
> but never actually used it in production code.
>
> "Robert A. Decker" wrote:
>
> > Your boss should be very worried about the software being brought into
> > your projects - not because of security but because of viral licenses. The
> > GPL is particularly heinous. The apache and FreeBSD licenses are
> > excellent. Take a look at:
> > http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a//policy/2001/12/12/transition.html
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html
> >
> > thanks,
> > rob
> >
> > http://www.robdecker.com/
> > http://www.planetside.com/
> >
> > On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Craig Walls wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Unofficially, my company is using Lucene for searching for products and
> projects on
> > > our web-site. By "unofficially" I mean that while my boss knows that
> we're using
> > > Lucene, my boss' boss doesn't know because he's very reluctant to buy
> into this
> > > open-source thing. (We've used other OS projects in our own projects as
> well...it's
> > > been a "don't ask, don't tell" kinda thing.)
> > >
> > > We launched our new search about 2 weeks ago and it rocks! In the end,
> we've fully
> > > met and in many cases exceeded expectations with Lucene, but they just
> don't know
> > > that we're using Lucene.
> > >
> > > Rob Outar wrote:
> > >
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to sell my lead on using this awesome
> search\indexing engine,
> > > > but he wants to know the user base for this product. He wants to be
> assured
> > > > that if we choose this products that it will not go away, and that we
> will
> > > > have some form of support. Worst case of course is we do have the
> source.
> > > > Anyhow if anyone can let me know what the user base is, or anything
> that
> > > > would lead to some assurance for him, I would greatly appreciate it.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Rob
> > > >
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RE: User Base
Posted by Rob Outar <ro...@ideorlando.org>.
Is Lucene GPL or Apache?
Thanks,
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Walls [mailto:wallsc@michaels.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 10:32 AM
To: Lucene Users List
Subject: Re: User Base
Absolutely--I'm very aware of how the various OS licenses work and we avoid
GPL like the
plague. In fact, doing a quick mental inventory of the OS stuff we've used,
I believe
that all of it has been under the Apache license. We tinkered with an LGPL
project once,
but never actually used it in production code.
"Robert A. Decker" wrote:
> Your boss should be very worried about the software being brought into
> your projects - not because of security but because of viral licenses. The
> GPL is particularly heinous. The apache and FreeBSD licenses are
> excellent. Take a look at:
> http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a//policy/2001/12/12/transition.html
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html
>
> thanks,
> rob
>
> http://www.robdecker.com/
> http://www.planetside.com/
>
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Craig Walls wrote:
>
> >
> > Unofficially, my company is using Lucene for searching for products and
projects on
> > our web-site. By "unofficially" I mean that while my boss knows that
we're using
> > Lucene, my boss' boss doesn't know because he's very reluctant to buy
into this
> > open-source thing. (We've used other OS projects in our own projects as
well...it's
> > been a "don't ask, don't tell" kinda thing.)
> >
> > We launched our new search about 2 weeks ago and it rocks! In the end,
we've fully
> > met and in many cases exceeded expectations with Lucene, but they just
don't know
> > that we're using Lucene.
> >
> > Rob Outar wrote:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I am trying to sell my lead on using this awesome
search\indexing engine,
> > > but he wants to know the user base for this product. He wants to be
assured
> > > that if we choose this products that it will not go away, and that we
will
> > > have some form of support. Worst case of course is we do have the
source.
> > > Anyhow if anyone can let me know what the user base is, or anything
that
> > > would lead to some assurance for him, I would greatly appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > > --
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<ma...@jakarta.apache.org>
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<ma...@jakarta.apache.org>
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Re: User Base
Posted by Craig Walls <wa...@michaels.com>.
Absolutely--I'm very aware of how the various OS licenses work and we avoid GPL like the
plague. In fact, doing a quick mental inventory of the OS stuff we've used, I believe
that all of it has been under the Apache license. We tinkered with an LGPL project once,
but never actually used it in production code.
"Robert A. Decker" wrote:
> Your boss should be very worried about the software being brought into
> your projects - not because of security but because of viral licenses. The
> GPL is particularly heinous. The apache and FreeBSD licenses are
> excellent. Take a look at:
> http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a//policy/2001/12/12/transition.html
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html
>
> thanks,
> rob
>
> http://www.robdecker.com/
> http://www.planetside.com/
>
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Craig Walls wrote:
>
> >
> > Unofficially, my company is using Lucene for searching for products and projects on
> > our web-site. By "unofficially" I mean that while my boss knows that we're using
> > Lucene, my boss' boss doesn't know because he's very reluctant to buy into this
> > open-source thing. (We've used other OS projects in our own projects as well...it's
> > been a "don't ask, don't tell" kinda thing.)
> >
> > We launched our new search about 2 weeks ago and it rocks! In the end, we've fully
> > met and in many cases exceeded expectations with Lucene, but they just don't know
> > that we're using Lucene.
> >
> > Rob Outar wrote:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I am trying to sell my lead on using this awesome search\indexing engine,
> > > but he wants to know the user base for this product. He wants to be assured
> > > that if we choose this products that it will not go away, and that we will
> > > have some form of support. Worst case of course is we do have the source.
> > > Anyhow if anyone can let me know what the user base is, or anything that
> > > would lead to some assurance for him, I would greatly appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > > --
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> >
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Re: User Base
Posted by "Robert A. Decker" <de...@robdecker.com>.
Your boss should be very worried about the software being brought into
your projects - not because of security but because of viral licenses. The
GPL is particularly heinous. The apache and FreeBSD licenses are
excellent. Take a look at:
http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a//policy/2001/12/12/transition.html
http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html
thanks,
rob
http://www.robdecker.com/
http://www.planetside.com/
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Craig Walls wrote:
>
> Unofficially, my company is using Lucene for searching for products and projects on
> our web-site. By "unofficially" I mean that while my boss knows that we're using
> Lucene, my boss' boss doesn't know because he's very reluctant to buy into this
> open-source thing. (We've used other OS projects in our own projects as well...it's
> been a "don't ask, don't tell" kinda thing.)
>
> We launched our new search about 2 weeks ago and it rocks! In the end, we've fully
> met and in many cases exceeded expectations with Lucene, but they just don't know
> that we're using Lucene.
>
> Rob Outar wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I am trying to sell my lead on using this awesome search\indexing engine,
> > but he wants to know the user base for this product. He wants to be assured
> > that if we choose this products that it will not go away, and that we will
> > have some form of support. Worst case of course is we do have the source.
> > Anyhow if anyone can let me know what the user base is, or anything that
> > would lead to some assurance for him, I would greatly appreciate it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > --
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Re: User Base
Posted by Craig Walls <wa...@michaels.com>.
Unofficially, my company is using Lucene for searching for products and projects on
our web-site. By "unofficially" I mean that while my boss knows that we're using
Lucene, my boss' boss doesn't know because he's very reluctant to buy into this
open-source thing. (We've used other OS projects in our own projects as well...it's
been a "don't ask, don't tell" kinda thing.)
We launched our new search about 2 weeks ago and it rocks! In the end, we've fully
met and in many cases exceeded expectations with Lucene, but they just don't know
that we're using Lucene.
Rob Outar wrote:
> All,
>
> I am trying to sell my lead on using this awesome search\indexing engine,
> but he wants to know the user base for this product. He wants to be assured
> that if we choose this products that it will not go away, and that we will
> have some form of support. Worst case of course is we do have the source.
> Anyhow if anyone can let me know what the user base is, or anything that
> would lead to some assurance for him, I would greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
>
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Re: User Base
Posted by "Steven J. Owens" <pu...@darksleep.com>.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 09:29:39AM -0600, Jonathan Pace wrote:
> I didn't have to work hard to sell my manager on Lucene. When our
> commercial search engine had trouble, the maker always wanted to send 3
> people down for a week at $200/hour per person. The company always
> discontinued support for older versions to get us to "get current" on their
> latest search engines--costing more money up front and with continuuing
> support agreements that never seemed to cover what goes wrong.
>
> The truth is, you are never "assured" that support is going to be there if
> you buy software--especially in this economy. I see more security for the
> future in open source because it is not dependant on any one company staying
> in business.
Frankly, I'm pretty much convinced that technical support for
commercial software products is a myth. I sat down to make a list,
once, of the companies that provided really good support. Then I
realized that they all made hardware (adtrans, cisco, sun).
I haven't dealt with major commercial software companies very
often, maybe a dozen times or more, though I have done some corporate
consulting where they paid for the red carpet treatment. The support
never really seemed to be there - it always boiled down to "Oh yeah,
that's a known bug" or "Search the knowledge base at our website" or
"we'd have to send some $200/hour consultants down to figure that out
for you." (pal, I got news for you, if you're willing to spend
$200/hour for support of open source software I am *sure* the core
open source developers for the necessary software will be willing to
cut you a deal :-).
> As for Lucene, I send questions to the developers group and it is
> answered completely within a few hours by active developers of
> Lucene. I have had great technical support on this project and I am
> looking for opportunities to give something back.
I agree. In general the open source community is always very
supportive and helpful, but generally you have ot be willing to do
your homework before asking the question, learn to ask intelligent
questions, and follow up on the advice and information you recieve.
This isn't to say you have to be a genius to get any respect; but you
do have to be willing to hold up your end (see
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html).
Steven J. Owens
puff@darksleep.com
"I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong,
declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and
this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read.
Take it all with a grain of salt." - Me at http://darksleep.com
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Re: User Base
Posted by Peter Carlson <ca...@bookandhammer.com>.
There are also other products that utilize Lucene including Cocoon,
Zoe, Scarab.
I know that there are many products that utilize Lucene including my
own. Our company searches specialized content and we solely use Lucene
for our search engine.
Plus, to have the source code is the ultimate support in my mind.
--Peter
--Peter
On Thursday, October 24, 2002, at 12:50 PM, Otis Gospodnetic wrote:
> No numbers, but it feels pretty huge. You can also look at powered by
> page.
>
> There are some companies that are using Lucene, that are not listed
> there. Here are some:
>
> FedEx, Epiphany, Overture, etc.
>
> Otis
>
>
> --- Rob Outar <ro...@ideorlando.org> wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> I am trying to sell my lead on using this awesome search\indexing
>> engine,
>> but he wants to know the user base for this product. He wants to be
>> assured
>> that if we choose this products that it will not go away, and that we
>> will
>> have some form of support. Worst case of course is we do have the
>> source.
>> Anyhow if anyone can let me know what the user base is, or anything
>> that
>> would lead to some assurance for him, I would greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
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>
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Re: User Base
Posted by Otis Gospodnetic <ot...@yahoo.com>.
No numbers, but it feels pretty huge. You can also look at powered by
page.
There are some companies that are using Lucene, that are not listed
there. Here are some:
FedEx, Epiphany, Overture, etc.
Otis
--- Rob Outar <ro...@ideorlando.org> wrote:
> All,
>
> I am trying to sell my lead on using this awesome search\indexing
> engine,
> but he wants to know the user base for this product. He wants to be
> assured
> that if we choose this products that it will not go away, and that we
> will
> have some form of support. Worst case of course is we do have the
> source.
> Anyhow if anyone can let me know what the user base is, or anything
> that
> would lead to some assurance for him, I would greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
>
>
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RE: User Base
Posted by Jonathan Pace <jm...@fedex.com>.
I didn't have to work hard to sell my manager on Lucene. When our
commercial search engine had trouble, the maker always wanted to send 3
people down for a week at $200/hour per person. The company always
discontinued support for older versions to get us to "get current" on their
latest search engines--costing more money up front and with continuuing
support agreements that never seemed to cover what goes wrong.
The truth is, you are never "assured" that support is going to be there if
you buy software--especially in this economy. I see more security for the
future in open source because it is not dependant on any one company staying
in business.
As for Lucene, I send questions to the developers group and it is answered
completely within a few hours by active developers of Lucene. I have had
great technical support on this project and I am looking for opportunities
to give something back.
Jonathan M Pace
Corporate Portal Development
FedEx Services
60 FedEx Pkwy
Collierville, TN 38017
(901)263-4744
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Outar [mailto:routar@ideorlando.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:21 PM
To: Lucene Users List
Subject: User Base
All,
I am trying to sell my lead on using this awesome search\indexing engine,
but he wants to know the user base for this product. He wants to be assured
that if we choose this products that it will not go away, and that we will
have some form of support. Worst case of course is we do have the source.
Anyhow if anyone can let me know what the user base is, or anything that
would lead to some assurance for him, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks,
Rob
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