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[Bug 122380] New: [sidebar] tool-tips in place for GUI should be
basis of annotating accessibility role of toolbar object
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122380
Bug ID: 122380
Issue Type: DEFECT
Summary: [sidebar] tool-tips in place for GUI should be basis
of annotating accessibility role of toolbar object
Product: General
Version: AOO400-dev
Hardware: All
OS: All
Status: CONFIRMED
Severity: normal
Priority: P3
Component: ui
Assignee: issues@openoffice.apache.org
Reporter: vstuart.foote@utsa.edu
CC: issues@openoffice.apache.org
Many of the toolbar objects present in the content panels of the sidebar deck
have no Title or accName assigned XAccessible roles that can be seen by AT.
Rather, very many implement tool-tips that are the only identification of what
action the tool widget will perform. Not sure exactly how, but seems like the
existing tool-tip could be used as basis of annotating the accessible role of
the toolbar objects.
Otherwise while the tool bars can now be reached with keyboard navigation, they
are mute as to function. An accessibility and Assistive Technology shortfall
with sidebar across all OS accessibility bridges.
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[Bug 122380] [sidebar] tool-tips in place for GUI should be basis of
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Posted by bu...@apache.org.
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--- Comment #5 from Steve Yin <st...@gmail.com> ---
@Stuart
I will make changes for the IA2 carefully. That's great if you can help to
verify the accessibility functions on different platforms! I will ask for you
help at that time.
For the IA2 version, I just merged the current IA2 version from Symphony and
will not update it in the short term. Although it is a draft version, there is
no great differences with the updated version. Maybe I or someone else will
update the version in the future.
And I am willing to take the assignment. Thanks.
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V Stuart Foote <vs...@utsa.edu> changed:
What |Removed |Added
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Keywords| |accessibility
Status|CONFIRMED |UNCONFIRMED
CC| |awf.aoo@googlemail.com,
| |vstuart.foote@utsa.edu
Issue Type|DEFECT |ENHANCEMENT
Blocks| |121420
Depends on| |122271
Ever confirmed|1 |0
--- Comment #1 from V Stuart Foote <vs...@utsa.edu> ---
marking unconfirmed, but believe this "enhancement" should get some attention
as it relates to resolving bug 122271 and improving accessibility of Sidebar.
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Target Milestone|--- |AOO 4.0
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--- Comment #9 from Andre <aw...@googlemail.com> ---
I just tried accerciser on Ubuntu 12.04. Unfortunately that is completely
unusable. When it does not crash it brings the CPU load to 100%. And I have
not even started to work with AOO. I will try Windows next. It is the better
platform for debugging, anyway.
--- Comment #10 from Andre <aw...@googlemail.com> ---
I just tried accerciser on Ubuntu 12.04. Unfortunately that is completely
unusable. When it does not crash it brings the CPU load to 100%. And I have
not even started to work with AOO. I will try Windows next. It is the better
platform for debugging, anyway.
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--- Comment #3 from Steve Yin <st...@gmail.com> ---
@V Stuart Foote
For the sidebar accessibility, I think it should be implemented in the ia2
branch. And I will work with Andre and Fan Zheng to push ahead this work.
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--- Comment #16 from V Stuart Foote <vs...@utsa.edu> ---
(In reply to Andre from comment #15)
> @Stuart: In the bug description you write
> "Otherwise while the tool bars can now be reached with keyboard navigation,
> they are mute as to function."
> I am not sure what that means. Can you explain?
Simply that as in the the example, positioning with <F6>, the cursors, and the
<TAB> key it is possible to navigate using keyboard only to the Properties ->
Paragraph content panel and with series of <TAB>'s to position focus into each
of the Indent toolbar widgets.
Which is good and a change in that with earlier builds once in a content panel
you were keyboard trapped and required a mouse click to be able to exit.
The issue then became providing XAccessible role and accName details for AT,
sounds like you've got that on track.
On that,my note above to Steve Yin about the IAccessible2 and ATK, NSAccess
bridges is that all will be dependent on what roles are assigned now to each
GUI element, and what "annotation" of the element is made available through UNO
Accessibility API (UAA). My hope is that you and Steve can collaborate to get
the GTK objects "instrumented" with needed hooks, and going forward can fully
incorporate changes to the accessibility APIs that have all continued to
develop since UAA was laid down.
There are additional role mappings for each API that will require the
counterpart UAA be refined, the ATK AT-SPI2 is the furthest developed--but all
three "bridges" will need to have comparable treatment including adjusting the
core UAA roles to take advantage of the new APIs. Handling tables for example.
There are a number of pending AT enhancement issues in Bugzilla.
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--- Comment #6 from Andre <aw...@googlemail.com> ---
@V Stuart Foote: Can you describe your testing environment with a few words?
I just looked at what the Orca Braille Monitor on Ubuntu shows for the sidebar
controls. I can see accessibility names for most controls. Therefore I am not
sure what you mean by "no Title or accName assigned XAccessible roles that can
be seen by AT."
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Status|UNCONFIRMED |CONFIRMED
Ever confirmed|0 |1
--- Comment #4 from V Stuart Foote <vs...@utsa.edu> ---
@Yin Bing (Steve)
Works for me, I know you've been up to your elbows in all things accessible for
IA2. But please, don't forget to verify function of the NSAccess and ATK
AT-SPI bridges while working on things in the IA2 branch. I assume you are
bringing everything up to the a11y IAccessible2 v1.3 specs.
Also, please let me know if you and Andre need any testing of function in
Windows, OSX (10.6.8 -> 10.8.3) or of Linux as I have access to all to verify
builds and function on all, just need a little lead time on the OSX's.
Setting confirmed, but do you want to take the assignment of the issue?
Stuart
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Bug 122380 depends on bug 122271, which changed state.
Bug 122271 Summary: [sidebar] Content panel title - no associated detail for annotation when gaining focus (W, C, I, D)[ia2]
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122271
What |Removed |Added
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Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED
Resolution|--- |FIXED
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--- Comment #13 from Andre <aw...@googlemail.com> ---
Accessibility on Windows works better for me. With the help of JavaFerret I
have been able to reproduce the problem with some of the accessible names in
the paragraph panel. As suggested above, I used their quick help text as
accessible name.
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--- Comment #15 from Andre <aw...@googlemail.com> ---
@Stuart: In the bug description you write
"Otherwise while the tool bars can now be reached with keyboard navigation,
they are mute as to function."
I am not sure what that means. Can you explain?
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--- Comment #11 from V Stuart Foote <vs...@utsa.edu> ---
(In reply to Andre from comment #9)
>... I will try Windows next. It is the
> better platform for debugging, anyway.
Java Access Bridge should work well but can be a nuisance to get working, you
will need to remove any JDK/JRE 1.7, so hope your not going to have Eclipse
issues.
Unfortunately JRE 1.7u6 forward bundled JAB 2.0.3 and it is still broken-- bug
121510
You'll need to install and work with JRE 1.6u45 and do a manual install of JAB
2.0.2. I've put up notes here -- https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Java
Jamal Mazrui's JWin INNO based installer is the most convenient way to install
the JAB. Info and download link here: http://empowermentzone.com/JWin.htm
Drop me a PM note if you get stuck.
Stuart
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--- Comment #14 from Andre <aw...@googlemail.com> ---
Saw you information about the Java Access Bridge too late, but got it installed
and working anyway. I couple of years ago I have worked on Accessibility and
have some experience in this area. I just have to swap the (almost) forgotten
knowledge back into my brain :-)
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--- Comment #7 from V Stuart Foote <vs...@utsa.edu> ---
Working in both Windows 7 64-bit, with JRE 1.6u45 with JAB 2.0.2, and in a
VMWare Workstation 9.02 host Fedora 18 64-bit OS using ORCA. Mostly use audible
review, but fire up JavaFerret if I need to follow UAA bridged focus events and
annotation, or AccProbe for the IAccessible2 content of ia2 branch. Hadn't
thought to use Braille monitor from the Orca screen reader. Rather use
Accerciser (
https://developer.gnome.org/accerciser/stable/accerciser-getting-started.html.en
) for following the GNOME ATK events.
So yes, many/most widgets have annotation, but as an example of current
"tool-tip" only Sidebar GUI objects:
1. open Writer
2. <F6> to navigate to the deck title
3. cursor <DOWN> to enter the Paragraph panel
4. <TAB> to enter Paragraph panel
5. navigate through toolbars of Paragraph panel with <TAB>
6. the following widgets are only annotated with accName "Indent", so only the
tool tip identifies their function
Above Paragraph Spacing
Below Paragraph Spacing
Before Text Indent
After Text Indent
First Line Indent
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--- Comment #8 from Andre <aw...@googlemail.com> ---
Thanks for the description, that helps a lot.
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"af" committed SVN revision 1487790 into trunk:
122380: Use quick help text as accessible name for some paragraph panel
contr...
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--- Comment #17 from Andre <aw...@googlemail.com> ---
Yes, the right choice of roles has always been a pain. No choice worked for
all AT devices. Translating them in the bridges might work.
Regarding this issue: seems that everything is done. Therefore I set it to
resolved/fixed. And will try now to fix the much harder bug 122271.
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What |Removed |Added
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Summary|[sidebar] tool-tips in |[sidebar] tool-tips in
|place for GUI should be |place for GUI should be
|basis of annotating |basis of annotating
|accessibility role of |accessibility role of
|toolbar object |toolbar object [ia2]
--- Comment #2 from V Stuart Foote <vs...@utsa.edu> ---
@Steve Yin
Since you've been poking deeply at accessibility instrumentation for the IA2
branch, is it possible for you to work directly with Andre now to get exactly
what is needed for AT in place for these graphical components? Just a thought.
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