Re: Whiteboard Tool (was: [RT] FirstFriday - monthly virtual Hackathon

[Upayavira <uv...@upaya.co.uk>]

Just found:

http://sangam.sourceforge.net/

An Eclipse plugin for XP style pair programming. No idea how good it is. 
It requires a server (open source Kizna Syncshare 
<http://www.kizna.org>), which I'm not in a position to install. Anyone 
into trying it out?

Regards, Upayavira

Geoff Howard wrote:

> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, Oct 21, 2003, at 23:19 Europe/Rome, Geoff Howard wrote:
>>
>>> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>>>
>>>> doable? digest this first
>>>>     http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/sun98operational.html
>>>> and come back to me. This is the list of algorithms that they 
>>>> implemented in SubEthaEdit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Been reading it.  Not yet digested... :)
>>
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>> I just finished the section describing the star architecture of 
>>> Jupiter which drastically simplified things.  I also wonder if a 
>>> sort of "row level locking" (well, actually line-level-locking) 
>>> wouldn't do even more.
>>
>>
>> I had the experience of writing on the same line.
>
>
> Ok, you can make the granularity finer - how about the same word?  The 
> point I'm trying to make is that the paper we're digesting is driving 
> at a general pure solution for the most general case.  But I get the 
> feeling that imposing 2-way instead of N-way communication (with the 
> "star" architecture as the Jupiter people did) and possibly 
> implementing a locking algorithm (at the word or line level, whatever) 
> would simplify things to the point that it'd be doable.  We wouldn't 
> earn PhDs for it but we'd probably finish in time to actually use it!
>
> It's the difference between finding a geometric solution to 
> tri-secting an angle vs. measuring the angle and dividing by three.   
> The first has stumped everyone that has tried for about 2,000 years, 
> the second can be done by a 12 year old in a few minutes.
>
>>>   I have the disadvantage of not having ever seen/used SubEthaEdit 
>>> -- is it really that useful to be able to have different people 
>>> editing the same line simultaneously?
>>
>>
>> Yes it is, it is amazing, it's like you never used an editor before.
>
>
> That's what I'm worried about! ;)  I wouldn't know how to be 
> productive if we both started typing different words at the same 
> place, even if the algorithm sorted out what order the letters should 
> go in.
>
>>>> Scary to death, if I have to be honest.
>>>> But *very* intellectually stimulating.
>>>>
>>>>> We might have to put every letter inside a div tag so we can 
>>>>> insert them in strange locations while typing somewhere else, but 
>>>>> what the hell, if it works... :))
>>>>> Anyone in it?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think that would be monumentally harder and not any more useful 
>>> than an existing editor which already has a Memento type of 
>>> architecture (which designMode and friends may but don't expose do 
>>> they?)
>>
>>
>> memento-type?
>
>
> I switched names with concepts.  I meant the Command pattern from GoF, 
> where an operation is encapsulated and was mapping this in my mind to 
> the operations O that are referred to throughout the paper.  Having 
> now finished the paper though I think this is not a direct link 
> because the current algorithms only exist for primitive string 
> operations (insert a string at position x), not more complex composite 
> operations (move section a to position y) which I'm assuming would be 
> the Commands implemented by editors (I'm also making the big 
> assumption they do some kind of encapsulation like this...).
>
>>>> Count me in, but this is going to require *massive* thinking, 
>>>> expecially on how to reduce the problems of latency over the network.
>>>
>>>
>>> The last thing I need is something else to play with, but I'm 
>>> interested.  I don't suppose SubEthaEdit is coming out with support 
>>> for other platforms?
>>
>>
>> No, the state this explicitly.
>
>
> Bummer.
>
> Geoff
>
>

Re: [OT] 50000

[Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>]

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:29:44 +0200
Gianugo Rabellino <gi...@apache.org> wrote:

> > Congratulations. Cocoon-dev got "50000" mails.
> > Who was the "lucky" man/woman?
> > ... Gianugo Rabellino <gi...@apache.org> ...
> > Three cheers, Hurrah.
> > Again, congrats!
> Wow, nice! Expecially since my last email wasn't sent to cocoon-dev but 
> to lenya-dev. How are you counting, Tetsuya? :-)

See the "Return-Path:" Headerline Information of each mails.

I think anyone will give three cheers for you at ApacheCon 2003 US
(http://www.apachecon.com/2003/US/index.html).

Congrats,

-- Tetsuya. (tetsuya@apache.org)

Re: [OT] 50000

[Gianugo Rabellino <gi...@apache.org>]

Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> Congratulations. Cocoon-dev got "50000" mails.
> 
> Who was the "lucky" man/woman?
> 
> ... Gianugo Rabellino <gi...@apache.org> ...
> 
> Three cheers, Hurrah.
> 
> Again, congrats!

Wow, nice! Expecially since my last email wasn't sent to cocoon-dev but 
to lenya-dev. How are you counting, Tetsuya? :-)

Ciao,

-- 
Gianugo Rabellino
Pro-netics s.r.l. -  http://www.pro-netics.com
Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com
     (Now blogging at: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/gianugo/)

Re: [OT] 50000

[Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>]

Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> <OffTopic>
> 
> Congratulations. Cocoon-dev got "50000" mails.
> 
> Who was the "lucky" man/woman?
> 
> ... Gianugo Rabellino <gi...@apache.org> ...
> 
> Three cheers, Hurrah.
> 
> Again, congrats!
> 
> </OffTopic>
> 
> -- Tetsuya. (tetsuya@apache.org)
> 
> P.S. Stefano's nice proposal, "[proposal] Doco", was 49998th
> in number. Oh dear!

Hmmm, I think we have more. Remember that cocoon-dev used to be hosted 
in non-ASF machines for the first 6/8 months (before the creation of 
xml.apache.org was at java.apache.org)

[I have the mboxes of that period, we should put them in the eyebrowse 
archives or available somewhere]

-- 
Stefano.

RE: [OT] 50000

[Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>]

Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> <OffTopic>
> 
> Congratulations. Cocoon-dev got "50000" mails.
> 
> Who was the "lucky" man/woman?
> 
> ... Gianugo Rabellino <gi...@apache.org> ...
> 
> Three cheers, Hurrah.
> 
> Again, congrats!
> 
> </OffTopic>
> 
Good to know, so I think Gianugo has to pay for a round
(perhaps at ApacheCon?)! Great :)

Carsten

[OT] 50000

[Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>]

Hi,

<OffTopic>

Congratulations. Cocoon-dev got "50000" mails.

Who was the "lucky" man/woman?

... Gianugo Rabellino <gi...@apache.org> ...

Three cheers, Hurrah.

Again, congrats!

</OffTopic>

-- Tetsuya. (tetsuya@apache.org)

P.S. Stefano's nice proposal, "[proposal] Doco", was 49998th
in number. Oh dear!

Re: Whiteboard Tool

[Torsten Curdt <tc...@vafer.org>]

> Been there, done that. It's quite good at LAN speed, but it almost 
> totally sucked when used across the ocean (between me and Ricardo in 
> Ecuador, actually). It's quite stable, actually, but it doesn't allow 
> for collaborative editing (still only one person editing at a time). 
> Looks like we really have to buy ourselves powerbooks...

Maybe if we get sponsorted by Apple...

Well, I guess I would take one :D
--
Torsten

Re: Whiteboard Tool (was: [RT] FirstFriday - monthly virtual Hackathon

[Gianugo Rabellino <gi...@apache.org>]

Upayavira wrote:
> Just found:
> 
> http://sangam.sourceforge.net/
> 
> An Eclipse plugin for XP style pair programming. No idea how good it is. 
> It requires a server (open source Kizna Syncshare 
> <http://www.kizna.org>), which I'm not in a position to install. Anyone 
> into trying it out?


Been there, done that. It's quite good at LAN speed, but it almost 
totally sucked when used across the ocean (between me and Ricardo in 
Ecuador, actually). It's quite stable, actually, but it doesn't allow 
for collaborative editing (still only one person editing at a time). 
Looks like we really have to buy ourselves powerbooks...

Ciao,

-- 
Gianugo Rabellino
Pro-netics s.r.l. -  http://www.pro-netics.com
Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com
     (Now blogging at: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/gianugo/)