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Tapestry IOC - Should it have it's own name?
I've often had a conversation like this in the workplace:
colleague: Let's start a new spring project
me: I hate spring, how about we use Tapestry IOC instead?
colleague: Tapestry, isn't that a web framework?
me: Well... yes, but Tapestry (the web framework) is build on top
of Tapestry IOC which can be used without the web framework
colleague: Oh, I didn't know that.
Does anyone else think that Tapestry IOC should have it's own name? (and
possibly it's own release cycle)
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Re: Tapestry IOC - Should it have it's own name?
Posted by Muhammad Gelbana <m....@gmail.com>.
>
> HiveMind just makes me think of StarCraft. ;-)
Exactly eheheh :D
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Lenny Primak <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us>wrote:
> HiveMind always had negative connotations in my mind as well.
> I say de-emphasize Tapestry in Tapestry-IoC.
> Just call it IoC.
>
> I hate Spring myself, and anything that gets people off it is a good thing
> IMHO
>
> On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Daniel Jue wrote:
>
> > I'd say keep the same name but market the IOC more heavily, with
> tutorials
> > and demos (a quickstart, perhaps) of it being used in a non web app. (I
> > don't think this is out there, right? If it is, it wasn't in-my-face
> > enough. :-) ) A T5 IOC quickstart might work well with an Apache Shiro
> > example, since that can also be used outside of a web app.
> >
> > I use the T5 IOC as a major selling point to using T5 as a web framework,
> > because they work so well together, and I'm loving the common version
> > numbering. HiveMind just makes me think of StarCraft. ;-)
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <hlship@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Lance Java <la...@googlemail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> I've often had a conversation like this in the workplace:
> >>>
> >>> colleague: Let's start a new spring project
> >>> me: I hate spring, how about we use Tapestry IOC instead?
> >>> colleague: Tapestry, isn't that a web framework?
> >>> me: Well... yes, but Tapestry (the web framework) is build on
> >> top
> >>> of Tapestry IOC which can be used without the web framework
> >>> colleague: Oh, I didn't know that.
> >>
> >> Maybe we could resurrect the HiveMind name? I always loved that name!
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone else think that Tapestry IOC should have it's own name?
> (and
> >>> possibly it's own release cycle)
> >>
> >> HiveMind had its own release cycle; this wasn't quite a disaster, but
> >> it made things much more difficult. I really like that in Tapestry you
> >> don't need a cheat sheet to figure out which versions of the main
> >> libraries work together: they all have the same version number. This
> >> means that for some libraries that don't change from release to
> >> release you have virtually identical binaries with different version
> >> numbers, but that's more than acceptable to me.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
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> >> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> >>
> >> Creator of Apache Tapestry
> >>
> >> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
> >> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
> >>
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Re: Tapestry IOC - Should it have it's own name?
Posted by Lenny Primak <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us>.
HiveMind always had negative connotations in my mind as well.
I say de-emphasize Tapestry in Tapestry-IoC.
Just call it IoC.
I hate Spring myself, and anything that gets people off it is a good thing IMHO
On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Daniel Jue wrote:
> I'd say keep the same name but market the IOC more heavily, with tutorials
> and demos (a quickstart, perhaps) of it being used in a non web app. (I
> don't think this is out there, right? If it is, it wasn't in-my-face
> enough. :-) ) A T5 IOC quickstart might work well with an Apache Shiro
> example, since that can also be used outside of a web app.
>
> I use the T5 IOC as a major selling point to using T5 as a web framework,
> because they work so well together, and I'm loving the common version
> numbering. HiveMind just makes me think of StarCraft. ;-)
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Lance Java <la...@googlemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I've often had a conversation like this in the workplace:
>>>
>>> colleague: Let's start a new spring project
>>> me: I hate spring, how about we use Tapestry IOC instead?
>>> colleague: Tapestry, isn't that a web framework?
>>> me: Well... yes, but Tapestry (the web framework) is build on
>> top
>>> of Tapestry IOC which can be used without the web framework
>>> colleague: Oh, I didn't know that.
>>
>> Maybe we could resurrect the HiveMind name? I always loved that name!
>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone else think that Tapestry IOC should have it's own name? (and
>>> possibly it's own release cycle)
>>
>> HiveMind had its own release cycle; this wasn't quite a disaster, but
>> it made things much more difficult. I really like that in Tapestry you
>> don't need a cheat sheet to figure out which versions of the main
>> libraries work together: they all have the same version number. This
>> means that for some libraries that don't change from release to
>> release you have virtually identical binaries with different version
>> numbers, but that's more than acceptable to me.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>
>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>
>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>
>> (971) 678-5210
>> http://howardlewisship.com
>>
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Re: Tapestry IOC - Should it have it's own name?
Posted by Daniel Jue <te...@gmail.com>.
I'd say keep the same name but market the IOC more heavily, with tutorials
and demos (a quickstart, perhaps) of it being used in a non web app. (I
don't think this is out there, right? If it is, it wasn't in-my-face
enough. :-) ) A T5 IOC quickstart might work well with an Apache Shiro
example, since that can also be used outside of a web app.
I use the T5 IOC as a major selling point to using T5 as a web framework,
because they work so well together, and I'm loving the common version
numbering. HiveMind just makes me think of StarCraft. ;-)
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Lance Java <la...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> > I've often had a conversation like this in the workplace:
> >
> > colleague: Let's start a new spring project
> > me: I hate spring, how about we use Tapestry IOC instead?
> > colleague: Tapestry, isn't that a web framework?
> > me: Well... yes, but Tapestry (the web framework) is build on
> top
> > of Tapestry IOC which can be used without the web framework
> > colleague: Oh, I didn't know that.
>
> Maybe we could resurrect the HiveMind name? I always loved that name!
>
> >
> > Does anyone else think that Tapestry IOC should have it's own name? (and
> > possibly it's own release cycle)
>
> HiveMind had its own release cycle; this wasn't quite a disaster, but
> it made things much more difficult. I really like that in Tapestry you
> don't need a cheat sheet to figure out which versions of the main
> libraries work together: they all have the same version number. This
> means that for some libraries that don't change from release to
> release you have virtually identical binaries with different version
> numbers, but that's more than acceptable to me.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> http://tapestry.1045711.n5.nabble.com/Tapestry-IOC-Should-it-have-it-s-own-name-tp5716228.html
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>
>
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>
> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>
> (971) 678-5210
> http://howardlewisship.com
>
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Re: Tapestry IOC - Should it have it's own name?
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Lance Java <la...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I've often had a conversation like this in the workplace:
>
> colleague: Let's start a new spring project
> me: I hate spring, how about we use Tapestry IOC instead?
> colleague: Tapestry, isn't that a web framework?
> me: Well... yes, but Tapestry (the web framework) is build on top
> of Tapestry IOC which can be used without the web framework
> colleague: Oh, I didn't know that.
Maybe we could resurrect the HiveMind name? I always loved that name!
>
> Does anyone else think that Tapestry IOC should have it's own name? (and
> possibly it's own release cycle)
HiveMind had its own release cycle; this wasn't quite a disaster, but
it made things much more difficult. I really like that in Tapestry you
don't need a cheat sheet to figure out which versions of the main
libraries work together: they all have the same version number. This
means that for some libraries that don't change from release to
release you have virtually identical binaries with different version
numbers, but that's more than acceptable to me.
>
>
>
> --
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The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
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