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Posted to dev@forrest.apache.org by Clay Leeds <cl...@medata.com> on 2004/08/10 16:26:38 UTC
Forrest Site update
I just noticed the update at http://forrest.apache.org/ and it looks
like something is missing. The NAV column (on the left) as well as the
tabs themselves have ~1px margin (which isn't very much), but no
rounded corners or anything. It's almost like the CSS file isn't found
(although forrest.css was loaded).
None of the <li> elements in the NAV appear to have bullets (was this a
design change?), and the font for the following elements are 2 or three
font-sizes too big.
- 'Published: Tue Aug 10 2004 03:15:16'
- [Search] the Apache Forrest site
- breadcrumb
The Project logo (actually I think it's the Group Logo) is *huge*!
432x40 doesn't leave much room for other content (like the
[Project]-logo.jpg and the Search box). It is also a slightly darker
color than the background for the rest of the site, so it sticks out...
IMO, we should either keep it (and drop the project logo) or make it
smaller.
Being of the mindset that a well-designed web site should not wrap at
800x600, http://forrest.apache.org/ doesn't meet that criterion. In
addition, the Search Box has the word 'Forrest' dangling around to its
right. It doesn't appear to be serving a purpose (other than to
increase the width of the page). The Search Box already has "the Apache
Forrest Site' in it.
I hope this doesn't sound too harsh... I really like forrest! :-)
Web Maestro Clay
Re: Forrest Site update
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Clay Leeds wrote:
> On Aug 10, 2004, at 8:21 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
...
> Weird... It looks fine now... on Safari too! (the breadcrumb is at the
> top again--it had moved to below the tabs/above the content area/to the
> right of the NAV on the left--hope that describes where it moved! 8-))
Note that I had similar problems on my system, because of (improper?)
browser caching.
...
>> In any case, we can make it smaller in a number of ways.
>> Which would you prefer?
...
It seems you like the compressed version. Ok, I will try that and see if
others complain 8-)
>>> It is also a slightly darker color than the background for the rest
>>> of the site, so it sticks out...
>>
>> This is an issue with IE, so I guess you are using IE, but not 6.x...
>> It treats PNGs wrong on the gamma values. AFAIK to solve teh issue we
>> should switch to JPEG or do hand-made GIF.
>
> Nope... It looks off in Safari. Now that I look in Firefox, the colors
> match.
I guess we must hand-convert to gif then.
> BTW, I like the krysalis site! And the font-size widgets are
> nifty as well! I also like how the About section in NAV is expanded by
> default. (IIRC, pelt-dev has all sections in NAV condensed) Very nice!
It's exactly the same skin as the one forrest is using right now IOW
crust, but with different skinconf parameters.
...
> Any time! Careful, though... I'm known to nit-pick[2] when given the
> opportunity!
>
> :-p
Which is exactly what we need for skins.
I'll take the risk and unleash the nitpick beast B-)
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: Forrest Site update
Posted by Clay Leeds <cl...@medata.com>.
On Aug 10, 2004, at 8:21 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Clay Leeds wrote:
>
>> I just noticed the update at http://forrest.apache.org/ and it looks
>> like something is missing. The NAV column (on the left) as well as
>> the tabs themselves have ~1px margin (which isn't very much), but no
>> rounded corners or anything. It's almost like the CSS file isn't
>> found (although forrest.css was loaded).
>> None of the <li> elements in the NAV appear to have bullets (was this
>> a design change?), and the font for the following elements are 2 or
>> three font-sizes too big.
>> - 'Published: Tue Aug 10 2004 03:15:16'
>> - [Search] the Apache Forrest site
>> - breadcrumb
>
> This is wierd, I'm looking at it now with Firefox 9.3 and IE 6.1 and I
> don't see any of the above issues. What I do see as a problem are the
> missing buttons on the right for font size change.
It could be a browser thing... I'm using Mac OS X 10.3.4 Safari 1.2.2
(v125.8). I'll check it on Firefox & MacIE...
Weird... It looks fine now... on Safari too! (the breadcrumb is at the
top again--it had moved to below the tabs/above the content area/to the
right of the NAV on the left--hope that describes where it moved! 8-))
>> The Project logo (actually I think it's the Group Logo) is *huge*!
>> 432x40 doesn't leave much room for other content (like the
>> [Project]-logo.jpg and the Search box).
>
> It has not changed from before :-)
Yeah... I never liked it, but never took the time to mention it.
> In any case, we can make it smaller in a number of ways.
> Which would you prefer?
>
> http://cvs.apache.org/~nicolaken/whiteboard/apachelogos/#Forrest-
> forrest
Of all these, these are the most compressed:
http://cvs.apache.org/~nicolaken/whiteboard/apachelogos/#Incubator-
incubator-compressed
http://cvs.apache.org/~nicolaken/whiteboard/apachelogos/#Incubator-
incubator-white-compressed
http://cvs.apache.org/~nicolaken/whiteboard/apachelogos/#Incubator-
incubator-maven-compressed
>> It is also a slightly darker color than the background for the rest
>> of the site, so it sticks out...
>
> This is an issue with IE, so I guess you are using IE, but not 6.x...
> It treats PNGs wrong on the gamma values. AFAIK to solve teh issue we
> should switch to JPEG or do hand-made GIF.
Nope... It looks off in Safari. Now that I look in Firefox, the colors
match.
>> IMO, we should either keep it (and drop the project logo) or make it
>> smaller.
>> Being of the mindset that a well-designed web site should not wrap at
>> 800x600, http://forrest.apache.org/ doesn't meet that criterion.
>
> BTW, this skin has smaller fonts and a shortened navigation to prevent
> wrapping where possible. The big header, as you correctly point out,
> invalidates this.
yeah...
>> In addition, the Search Box has the word 'Forrest' dangling around to
>> its right.
>
> I don't see it...
Turning off JavaScript helps a little (although I don't have Javascript
turned off in Safari). I've got that nifty Web Developer
widget/extension for Firefox/Mozilla[1] which allows me to
quickly/temporarily turn CSS & Javascript off.
>> It doesn't appear to be serving a purpose (other than to increase the
>> width of the page). The Search Box already has "the Apache Forrest
>> Site' in it.
>
> Hmmm... I don't see this... in any case the skin used was the
> krysalis-site skin, with Forrest colors. Check www.krysalis.org and
> see if there you have the same issues.
I don't see it any more... Krysalis doesn't have the problem (now)
either. BTW, I like the krysalis site! And the font-size widgets are
nifty as well! I also like how the About section in NAV is expanded by
default. (IIRC, pelt-dev has all sections in NAV condensed) Very nice!
>> I hope this doesn't sound too harsh... I really like forrest! :-)
>
> Thanks for the feedback! :-)
Any time! Careful, though... I'm known to nit-pick[2] when given the
opportunity!
:-p
Web Maestro Clay
[1]
http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/
[2]
http://xml.apache.org/fop/team.html#cl
Re: Forrest Site update
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Clay Leeds wrote:
> I just noticed the update at http://forrest.apache.org/ and it looks
> like something is missing. The NAV column (on the left) as well as the
> tabs themselves have ~1px margin (which isn't very much), but no rounded
> corners or anything. It's almost like the CSS file isn't found (although
> forrest.css was loaded).
>
> None of the <li> elements in the NAV appear to have bullets (was this a
> design change?), and the font for the following elements are 2 or three
> font-sizes too big.
>
> - 'Published: Tue Aug 10 2004 03:15:16'
> - [Search] the Apache Forrest site
> - breadcrumb
This is wierd, I'm looking at it now with Firefox 9.3 and IE 6.1 and I
don't see any of the above issues. What I do see as a problem are the
missing buttons on the right for font size change.
> The Project logo (actually I think it's the Group Logo) is *huge*!
> 432x40 doesn't leave much room for other content (like the
> [Project]-logo.jpg and the Search box).
It has not changed from before :-)
In any case, we can make it smaller in a number of ways.
Which would you prefer?
http://cvs.apache.org/~nicolaken/whiteboard/apachelogos/#Forrest-forrest
> It is also a slightly darker
> color than the background for the rest of the site, so it sticks out...
This is an issue with IE, so I guess you are using IE, but not 6.x...
It treats PNGs wrong on the gamma values. AFAIK to solve teh issue we
should switch to JPEG or do hand-made GIF.
> IMO, we should either keep it (and drop the project logo) or make it
> smaller.
> Being of the mindset that a well-designed web site should not wrap at
> 800x600, http://forrest.apache.org/ doesn't meet that criterion.
BTW, this skin has smaller fonts and a shortened navigation to prevent
wrapping where possible. The big header, as you correctly point out,
invalidates this.
> In
> addition, the Search Box has the word 'Forrest' dangling around to its
> right.
I don't see it...
> It doesn't appear to be serving a purpose (other than to increase
> the width of the page). The Search Box already has "the Apache Forrest
> Site' in it.
Hmmm... I don't see this... in any case the skin used was the
krysalis-site skin, with Forrest colors. Check www.krysalis.org and see
if there you have the same issues.
> I hope this doesn't sound too harsh... I really like forrest! :-)
Thanks for the feedback! :-)
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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