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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Craig Manthorpe <im...@googlemail.com.INVALID> on 2020/11/15 16:21:52 UTC
Question about development direction.
I was a NetBeans devotee up until version 8.2, after which, well, you know what happened.
I chose that platform over all the other possible choices because it appeared to be designed and written by people who very clearly understood the interests of a certain type of developer. As well as being able to use it write Java code it can just as easily turn to GCC and LLVM compilers and it could be used just as well to write HTML/CSS/Javascript. As well as that it is compatible with Fortran compilers and I can, and have, written and compiled Fortran code from within NetBeans 8.2.
It is also a platform in its own right and, although it seemed to pass people by, there were many very interesting and elaborate software programs written for the NetBeans platform, many of which took it far from its familiar face as an IDE. It could be used as a platform to develop software not only within NetBeans but also on top of the NetBeans platform. Be it IDEs, web browsers, or other kinds of software.
Since changing hands my main concern is its new owners will have a completely new set of ideas about where to take it and what aspects to develop and which to jettison. My concern is, it may lose much of its prior uniqueness and its fine tuning along a vertical stack of use-cases taking in website design, Java, C++, Fortran and platform design. As it was it's possible to develop either a website or a supercomputing application using a computational physics library.
How do its new developers envisage its new direction? What do you intend to support, what do you intend to improve, and what, if anything do you plan to drop?
Thanks.
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Re: Question about development direction.
Posted by Peter Blemel <pb...@hotmail.com>.
All,
I have a fairly large embedded C/C++ code base, and have been following the recent conversation. I spend a fair amount of time in Netbeans 8.2 maintaining that codebase. I spent last week adding board support for a new chipset. I find that I am more productive in that environment than in Eclipse, but haven't tried the CLion tools.
On Enterprise side, I recently upgraded my projects to Netbeans 12, which was painless. That project uses Payara/Glassfish to serve a HTML5 application. I regularly develop and debug from Netbeans, and am happy with the tools and processes.
My plain old java development is also done in Netbeans, although since I use Android Studio so much and now PyCharm for Python, transitioning is in the realm of possibility. There are features in Netbeans that I use regularly that aren't in the Community versions of the JetBrains tools, so I'll probably keep going until I find a compelling reason to switch.
I would like to be part of any C++ discussions.
Happy Holidays, everone. I hope everyone has a safe and healthy new year.
Peter
________________________________
From: Brad Walker <bw...@musings.com>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 9:36 AM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Question about development direction.
Craig,
I don't speak for the group. But, did want to respond to this email.
I'm basically an embedded developer, who spends most of my time in C and
C++ code (CND module). So, I'm very interested in seeing that side of
Netbeans get development. Until recently (i.e. the past year), the CND
module wasn't even available to Apache as the process to get the CND
donation from Oracle took some time.
I've been spending time on getting the CND header files compliant with the
Apache license. Once that is done, hopefully it will be easier for others
to work on it as it will be a branch, hopefully, of the "official tree".
On the Java side of things, I do mostly "code cleanup". Someone once called
it "removing the rust", which is a great description. I spend a lot of time
removing simple warning messages. Doing this simple work helps the team.
But, I also get a lot of exposure to Java related issues and that makes me
a better Java engineer. Also, it helps me to better understand the code and
what the various places does work.
I'm sure the team can use your help. Pick a spot and jump on it.
-brad w.
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 9:23 AM Craig Manthorpe
<im...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> I was a NetBeans devotee up until version 8.2, after which, well, you know
> what happened.
>
> I chose that platform over all the other possible choices because it
> appeared to be designed and written by people who very clearly understood
> the interests of a certain type of developer. As well as being able to use
> it write Java code it can just as easily turn to GCC and LLVM compilers and
> it could be used just as well to write HTML/CSS/Javascript. As well as that
> it is compatible with Fortran compilers and I can, and have, written and
> compiled Fortran code from within NetBeans 8.2.
>
> It is also a platform in its own right and, although it seemed to pass
> people by, there were many very interesting and elaborate software programs
> written for the NetBeans platform, many of which took it far from its
> familiar face as an IDE. It could be used as a platform to develop software
> not only within NetBeans but also on top of the NetBeans platform. Be it
> IDEs, web browsers, or other kinds of software.
>
> Since changing hands my main concern is its new owners will have a
> completely new set of ideas about where to take it and what aspects to
> develop and which to jettison. My concern is, it may lose much of its prior
> uniqueness and its fine tuning along a vertical stack of use-cases taking
> in website design, Java, C++, Fortran and platform design. As it was it's
> possible to develop either a website or a supercomputing application using
> a computational physics library.
>
> How do its new developers envisage its new direction? What do you intend
> to support, what do you intend to improve, and what, if anything do you
> plan to drop?
>
>
Re: Question about development direction.
Posted by Tristan Lewis <tr...@hotmail.com>.
Hey,
I'm interested in knowing more about the CND module. I had a look at the cnd branch, decompiled the missing dependencies and got it building locally via the ant command (haven't tried to use it yet, that would be next to try)
Is that the right branch to be looking at? And should I be getting the missing files from elsewhere, or would the decompiled source files be useful to anyone else?
Tristan
________________________________
From: Brad Walker <bw...@musings.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 15 December 2020, 2:36 am
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: Question about development direction.
Craig,
I don't speak for the group. But, did want to respond to this email.
I'm basically an embedded developer, who spends most of my time in C and
C++ code (CND module). So, I'm very interested in seeing that side of
Netbeans get development. Until recently (i.e. the past year), the CND
module wasn't even available to Apache as the process to get the CND
donation from Oracle took some time.
I've been spending time on getting the CND header files compliant with the
Apache license. Once that is done, hopefully it will be easier for others
to work on it as it will be a branch, hopefully, of the "official tree".
On the Java side of things, I do mostly "code cleanup". Someone once called
it "removing the rust", which is a great description. I spend a lot of time
removing simple warning messages. Doing this simple work helps the team.
But, I also get a lot of exposure to Java related issues and that makes me
a better Java engineer. Also, it helps me to better understand the code and
what the various places does work.
I'm sure the team can use your help. Pick a spot and jump on it.
-brad w.
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 9:23 AM Craig Manthorpe
<im...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> I was a NetBeans devotee up until version 8.2, after which, well, you know
> what happened.
>
> I chose that platform over all the other possible choices because it
> appeared to be designed and written by people who very clearly understood
> the interests of a certain type of developer. As well as being able to use
> it write Java code it can just as easily turn to GCC and LLVM compilers and
> it could be used just as well to write HTML/CSS/Javascript. As well as that
> it is compatible with Fortran compilers and I can, and have, written and
> compiled Fortran code from within NetBeans 8.2.
>
> It is also a platform in its own right and, although it seemed to pass
> people by, there were many very interesting and elaborate software programs
> written for the NetBeans platform, many of which took it far from its
> familiar face as an IDE. It could be used as a platform to develop software
> not only within NetBeans but also on top of the NetBeans platform. Be it
> IDEs, web browsers, or other kinds of software.
>
> Since changing hands my main concern is its new owners will have a
> completely new set of ideas about where to take it and what aspects to
> develop and which to jettison. My concern is, it may lose much of its prior
> uniqueness and its fine tuning along a vertical stack of use-cases taking
> in website design, Java, C++, Fortran and platform design. As it was it's
> possible to develop either a website or a supercomputing application using
> a computational physics library.
>
> How do its new developers envisage its new direction? What do you intend
> to support, what do you intend to improve, and what, if anything do you
> plan to drop?
>
>
Re: Question about development direction.
Posted by Brad Walker <bw...@musings.com>.
Craig,
I don't speak for the group. But, did want to respond to this email.
I'm basically an embedded developer, who spends most of my time in C and
C++ code (CND module). So, I'm very interested in seeing that side of
Netbeans get development. Until recently (i.e. the past year), the CND
module wasn't even available to Apache as the process to get the CND
donation from Oracle took some time.
I've been spending time on getting the CND header files compliant with the
Apache license. Once that is done, hopefully it will be easier for others
to work on it as it will be a branch, hopefully, of the "official tree".
On the Java side of things, I do mostly "code cleanup". Someone once called
it "removing the rust", which is a great description. I spend a lot of time
removing simple warning messages. Doing this simple work helps the team.
But, I also get a lot of exposure to Java related issues and that makes me
a better Java engineer. Also, it helps me to better understand the code and
what the various places does work.
I'm sure the team can use your help. Pick a spot and jump on it.
-brad w.
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 9:23 AM Craig Manthorpe
<im...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> I was a NetBeans devotee up until version 8.2, after which, well, you know
> what happened.
>
> I chose that platform over all the other possible choices because it
> appeared to be designed and written by people who very clearly understood
> the interests of a certain type of developer. As well as being able to use
> it write Java code it can just as easily turn to GCC and LLVM compilers and
> it could be used just as well to write HTML/CSS/Javascript. As well as that
> it is compatible with Fortran compilers and I can, and have, written and
> compiled Fortran code from within NetBeans 8.2.
>
> It is also a platform in its own right and, although it seemed to pass
> people by, there were many very interesting and elaborate software programs
> written for the NetBeans platform, many of which took it far from its
> familiar face as an IDE. It could be used as a platform to develop software
> not only within NetBeans but also on top of the NetBeans platform. Be it
> IDEs, web browsers, or other kinds of software.
>
> Since changing hands my main concern is its new owners will have a
> completely new set of ideas about where to take it and what aspects to
> develop and which to jettison. My concern is, it may lose much of its prior
> uniqueness and its fine tuning along a vertical stack of use-cases taking
> in website design, Java, C++, Fortran and platform design. As it was it's
> possible to develop either a website or a supercomputing application using
> a computational physics library.
>
> How do its new developers envisage its new direction? What do you intend
> to support, what do you intend to improve, and what, if anything do you
> plan to drop?
>
>
Re: Question about development direction.
Posted by Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>.
There is always the benefit of the open development...if there is a feature or capability needed, raise an issue in JIRA and interest willing...someone will implement it.
There is the release schedule to consider which may help some as wel
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedule
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From: Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 3:37:50 PM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Question about development direction.
That's really true.
There is no real strategic vision, roadmap that we strictly need to
follow. That can be considered as good and bad. Good in a way that
NetBeans really evolves freely, and might feel bad as the our efforts
are divided. But I think that's natural as for most of us what we
contribute is from our free time which vary over the time.
What I see here is a group of people who like NetBeans, have ideas that
they able to form into code, if not code then into bug reports, test
cases documentation, do some management stuff, etc.
Also it is good to see, that every now and then, these people gather
around features, they find important, and pull into that direction.
On 11/27/20 9:19 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> That depends on you now. In which direction do you want to go?
>
> Gj
>
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 at 00:28, Cloeren Jackson <ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What I mean is up until about 8.2 it was managed by Sun microsystems. It
>> isn't any more. I want to know if the direction it goes in will be the
>> same?
>>
>> On 2020/11/15 17:08:09, Geertjan Wielenga
>> <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>> New owners? What do you mean?
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 at 17:23, Craig Manthorpe
>>> <im...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was a NetBeans devotee up until version 8.2, after which, well, you
>> know
>>>> what happened.
>>>>
>>>> I chose that platform over all the other possible choices because it
>>>> appeared to be designed and written by people who very clearly
>> understood
>>>> the interests of a certain type of developer. As well as being able to
>> use
>>>> it write Java code it can just as easily turn to GCC and LLVM
>> compilers and
>>>> it could be used just as well to write HTML/CSS/Javascript. As well as
>> that
>>>> it is compatible with Fortran compilers and I can, and have, written
>> and
>>>> compiled Fortran code from within NetBeans 8.2.
>>>>
>>>> It is also a platform in its own right and, although it seemed to pass
>>>> people by, there were many very interesting and elaborate software
>> programs
>>>> written for the NetBeans platform, many of which took it far from its
>>>> familiar face as an IDE. It could be used as a platform to develop
>> software
>>>> not only within NetBeans but also on top of the NetBeans platform. Be
>> it
>>>> IDEs, web browsers, or other kinds of software.
>>>>
>>>> Since changing hands my main concern is its new owners will have a
>>>> completely new set of ideas about where to take it and what aspects to
>>>> develop and which to jettison. My concern is, it may lose much of its
>> prior
>>>> uniqueness and its fine tuning along a vertical stack of use-cases
>> taking
>>>> in website design, Java, C++, Fortran and platform design. As it was
>> it's
>>>> possible to develop either a website or a supercomputing application
>> using
>>>> a computational physics library.
>>>>
>>>> How do its new developers envisage its new direction? What do you
>> intend
>>>> to support, what do you intend to improve, and what, if anything do you
>>>> plan to drop?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Question about development direction.
Posted by Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>.
That's really true.
There is no real strategic vision, roadmap that we strictly need to
follow. That can be considered as good and bad. Good in a way that
NetBeans really evolves freely, and might feel bad as the our efforts
are divided. But I think that's natural as for most of us what we
contribute is from our free time which vary over the time.
What I see here is a group of people who like NetBeans, have ideas that
they able to form into code, if not code then into bug reports, test
cases documentation, do some management stuff, etc.
Also it is good to see, that every now and then, these people gather
around features, they find important, and pull into that direction.
On 11/27/20 9:19 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> That depends on you now. In which direction do you want to go?
>
> Gj
>
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 at 00:28, Cloeren Jackson <ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What I mean is up until about 8.2 it was managed by Sun microsystems. It
>> isn't any more. I want to know if the direction it goes in will be the
>> same?
>>
>> On 2020/11/15 17:08:09, Geertjan Wielenga
>> <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>> New owners? What do you mean?
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 at 17:23, Craig Manthorpe
>>> <im...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was a NetBeans devotee up until version 8.2, after which, well, you
>> know
>>>> what happened.
>>>>
>>>> I chose that platform over all the other possible choices because it
>>>> appeared to be designed and written by people who very clearly
>> understood
>>>> the interests of a certain type of developer. As well as being able to
>> use
>>>> it write Java code it can just as easily turn to GCC and LLVM
>> compilers and
>>>> it could be used just as well to write HTML/CSS/Javascript. As well as
>> that
>>>> it is compatible with Fortran compilers and I can, and have, written
>> and
>>>> compiled Fortran code from within NetBeans 8.2.
>>>>
>>>> It is also a platform in its own right and, although it seemed to pass
>>>> people by, there were many very interesting and elaborate software
>> programs
>>>> written for the NetBeans platform, many of which took it far from its
>>>> familiar face as an IDE. It could be used as a platform to develop
>> software
>>>> not only within NetBeans but also on top of the NetBeans platform. Be
>> it
>>>> IDEs, web browsers, or other kinds of software.
>>>>
>>>> Since changing hands my main concern is its new owners will have a
>>>> completely new set of ideas about where to take it and what aspects to
>>>> develop and which to jettison. My concern is, it may lose much of its
>> prior
>>>> uniqueness and its fine tuning along a vertical stack of use-cases
>> taking
>>>> in website design, Java, C++, Fortran and platform design. As it was
>> it's
>>>> possible to develop either a website or a supercomputing application
>> using
>>>> a computational physics library.
>>>>
>>>> How do its new developers envisage its new direction? What do you
>> intend
>>>> to support, what do you intend to improve, and what, if anything do you
>>>> plan to drop?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>
>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Question about development direction.
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
That depends on you now. In which direction do you want to go?
Gj
On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 at 00:28, Cloeren Jackson <ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What I mean is up until about 8.2 it was managed by Sun microsystems. It
> isn't any more. I want to know if the direction it goes in will be the
> same?
>
> On 2020/11/15 17:08:09, Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote:
> > New owners? What do you mean?
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 at 17:23, Craig Manthorpe
> > <im...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > I was a NetBeans devotee up until version 8.2, after which, well, you
> know
> > > what happened.
> > >
> > > I chose that platform over all the other possible choices because it
> > > appeared to be designed and written by people who very clearly
> understood
> > > the interests of a certain type of developer. As well as being able to
> use
> > > it write Java code it can just as easily turn to GCC and LLVM
> compilers and
> > > it could be used just as well to write HTML/CSS/Javascript. As well as
> that
> > > it is compatible with Fortran compilers and I can, and have, written
> and
> > > compiled Fortran code from within NetBeans 8.2.
> > >
> > > It is also a platform in its own right and, although it seemed to pass
> > > people by, there were many very interesting and elaborate software
> programs
> > > written for the NetBeans platform, many of which took it far from its
> > > familiar face as an IDE. It could be used as a platform to develop
> software
> > > not only within NetBeans but also on top of the NetBeans platform. Be
> it
> > > IDEs, web browsers, or other kinds of software.
> > >
> > > Since changing hands my main concern is its new owners will have a
> > > completely new set of ideas about where to take it and what aspects to
> > > develop and which to jettison. My concern is, it may lose much of its
> prior
> > > uniqueness and its fine tuning along a vertical stack of use-cases
> taking
> > > in website design, Java, C++, Fortran and platform design. As it was
> it's
> > > possible to develop either a website or a supercomputing application
> using
> > > a computational physics library.
> > >
> > > How do its new developers envisage its new direction? What do you
> intend
> > > to support, what do you intend to improve, and what, if anything do you
> > > plan to drop?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > >
> > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: Question about development direction.
Posted by Cloeren Jackson <ba...@gmail.com>.
What I mean is up until about 8.2 it was managed by Sun microsystems. It isn't any more. I want to know if the direction it goes in will be the same?
On 2020/11/15 17:08:09, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote:
> New owners? What do you mean?
>
> Gj
>
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 at 17:23, Craig Manthorpe
> <im...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I was a NetBeans devotee up until version 8.2, after which, well, you know
> > what happened.
> >
> > I chose that platform over all the other possible choices because it
> > appeared to be designed and written by people who very clearly understood
> > the interests of a certain type of developer. As well as being able to use
> > it write Java code it can just as easily turn to GCC and LLVM compilers and
> > it could be used just as well to write HTML/CSS/Javascript. As well as that
> > it is compatible with Fortran compilers and I can, and have, written and
> > compiled Fortran code from within NetBeans 8.2.
> >
> > It is also a platform in its own right and, although it seemed to pass
> > people by, there were many very interesting and elaborate software programs
> > written for the NetBeans platform, many of which took it far from its
> > familiar face as an IDE. It could be used as a platform to develop software
> > not only within NetBeans but also on top of the NetBeans platform. Be it
> > IDEs, web browsers, or other kinds of software.
> >
> > Since changing hands my main concern is its new owners will have a
> > completely new set of ideas about where to take it and what aspects to
> > develop and which to jettison. My concern is, it may lose much of its prior
> > uniqueness and its fine tuning along a vertical stack of use-cases taking
> > in website design, Java, C++, Fortran and platform design. As it was it's
> > possible to develop either a website or a supercomputing application using
> > a computational physics library.
> >
> > How do its new developers envisage its new direction? What do you intend
> > to support, what do you intend to improve, and what, if anything do you
> > plan to drop?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> >
> > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Question about development direction.
Posted by Stephen Parry <sg...@mainscreen.com>.
Surely, the whole point here is, we all are the new 'owners' - Craig included. It's quite a thought when you take a minute to considerate it.
On 15 November 2020 17:08:09 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote:
>New owners? What do you mean?
>
>Gj
>
>On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 at 17:23, Craig Manthorpe
><im...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I was a NetBeans devotee up until version 8.2, after which, well, you
>know
>> what happened.
>>
>> I chose that platform over all the other possible choices because it
>> appeared to be designed and written by people who very clearly
>understood
>> the interests of a certain type of developer. As well as being able
>to use
>> it write Java code it can just as easily turn to GCC and LLVM
>compilers and
>> it could be used just as well to write HTML/CSS/Javascript. As well
>as that
>> it is compatible with Fortran compilers and I can, and have, written
>and
>> compiled Fortran code from within NetBeans 8.2.
>>
>> It is also a platform in its own right and, although it seemed to
>pass
>> people by, there were many very interesting and elaborate software
>programs
>> written for the NetBeans platform, many of which took it far from its
>> familiar face as an IDE. It could be used as a platform to develop
>software
>> not only within NetBeans but also on top of the NetBeans platform. Be
>it
>> IDEs, web browsers, or other kinds of software.
>>
>> Since changing hands my main concern is its new owners will have a
>> completely new set of ideas about where to take it and what aspects
>to
>> develop and which to jettison. My concern is, it may lose much of its
>prior
>> uniqueness and its fine tuning along a vertical stack of use-cases
>taking
>> in website design, Java, C++, Fortran and platform design. As it was
>it's
>> possible to develop either a website or a supercomputing application
>using
>> a computational physics library.
>>
>> How do its new developers envisage its new direction? What do you
>intend
>> to support, what do you intend to improve, and what, if anything do
>you
>> plan to drop?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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Re: Question about development direction.
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
New owners? What do you mean?
Gj
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 at 17:23, Craig Manthorpe
<im...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> I was a NetBeans devotee up until version 8.2, after which, well, you know
> what happened.
>
> I chose that platform over all the other possible choices because it
> appeared to be designed and written by people who very clearly understood
> the interests of a certain type of developer. As well as being able to use
> it write Java code it can just as easily turn to GCC and LLVM compilers and
> it could be used just as well to write HTML/CSS/Javascript. As well as that
> it is compatible with Fortran compilers and I can, and have, written and
> compiled Fortran code from within NetBeans 8.2.
>
> It is also a platform in its own right and, although it seemed to pass
> people by, there were many very interesting and elaborate software programs
> written for the NetBeans platform, many of which took it far from its
> familiar face as an IDE. It could be used as a platform to develop software
> not only within NetBeans but also on top of the NetBeans platform. Be it
> IDEs, web browsers, or other kinds of software.
>
> Since changing hands my main concern is its new owners will have a
> completely new set of ideas about where to take it and what aspects to
> develop and which to jettison. My concern is, it may lose much of its prior
> uniqueness and its fine tuning along a vertical stack of use-cases taking
> in website design, Java, C++, Fortran and platform design. As it was it's
> possible to develop either a website or a supercomputing application using
> a computational physics library.
>
> How do its new developers envisage its new direction? What do you intend
> to support, what do you intend to improve, and what, if anything do you
> plan to drop?
>
> Thanks.
>
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>
>
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