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STILL Need Help w. Tomcat Install

 This is Steve Burrus again, and I am damned sorry to have to post my plea for
help/assistance again, but everyday when I first access my email there are
literally 100's of postings from other members of the Tomcat newsgroup, and my
original post--and any response--is VERY DIFFICULT to locate, so here it is again:
  How exactly does one go about installing the Tomcat 4.0.* correctly??? I have
"racked my brain" in trying to figure out how to do this, but I simply cannot do
it myself, I am afraid to say! Thanx in advance to anyone who can help me! 

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Re: STILL Need Help w. Tomcat Install

Posted by "lists@polerecky" <li...@polerecky.com>.
what os?

On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 15:50, STEVE R BURRUS wrote:
>  This is Steve Burrus again, and I am damned sorry to have to post my plea for
> help/assistance again, but everyday when I first access my email there are
> literally 100's of postings from other members of the Tomcat newsgroup, and my
> original post--and any response--is VERY DIFFICULT to locate, so here it is again:
>   How exactly does one go about installing the Tomcat 4.0.* correctly??? I have
> "racked my brain" in trying to figure out how to do this, but I simply cannot do
> it myself, I am afraid to say! Thanx in advance to anyone who can help me! 
> 
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Re: STILL Need Help w. Tomcat Install

Posted by Will Hartung <wi...@msoft.com>.
From: "STEVE R BURRUS" <st...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 12:50 PM


> This is Steve Burrus again, and I am damned sorry to have to post my plea
for
> help/assistance again, but everyday when I first access my email there are
> literally 100's of postings from other members of the Tomcat newsgroup,
and my
> original post--and any response--is VERY DIFFICULT to locate, so here it
is again:
>   How exactly does one go about installing the Tomcat 4.0.* correctly??? I
have
> "racked my brain" in trying to figure out how to do this, but I simply
cannot do
> it myself, I am afraid to say! Thanx in advance to anyone who can help me!

Speaking of list volume...

Since 99% of the people here simply Reply to the e-mail, 99% of the
responses to your "pleas" should have the SAME SUBJECT as you used
originally (this e-mail is a perfect example).

If your e-mail client can not filter, sort, or whatever by e-mail subject,
then you simply need to get a better client. Clearly your current client is
not adequate to the tasks for which you wish to use it (for example,
managing a high volume mailing list).

As far as your request, you give NO details as to "what is wrong", or how
you think your installation is not correct. No details whatsoever.

You don't say what things you've tried, what documents you refered to for
guidance in those attempts, and how they are not working.

The basic, binary install works just peachy out of the box. Extract it to
someplace appropriate, cd $WHERE_YOU_EXTRACTED_IT/bin, type 'startup.sh' or
'startup.bat', and boom, it works. Your JAVA_HOME environment variable must
be set.

It's that simple.

Finally, the point of a mailing list is not simply a forum to scream and
shout for help, its a community for sharing knowledge. Just like a USENET
newsgroup, the value in the mailing list is seeing how the problems that
people have are worked out ON the mailing list, thus when someone else has a
problem, the archives will hopefully have the answers.

There are few things more aggravating that seeing nothing but pleas but no
answers in a mailing list. That makes it essentially worthless, both for the
current readers and for future readers.

So, never expect private mail, particularly early on, from a public forum.
It's not fair to anyone.

But, why am I saying all of this, when you won't read it anyway.

Regards,

Will Hartung
(willh@msoft.com)




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Re: STILL Need Help w. Tomcat Install

Posted by micael <ca...@harbornet.com>.
My guess is you must be really new to this.  Is that right?  If so, please 
follow what we suggest.  You have to tell us what you do as well as the 
results you get.  What you do is the problem, not the results.  (I don't 
think people care if you say "This is Steve Burrus".)  If the error message 
in DOS is that the environmental variable has been either missing or 
improperly set, that is right.  But, WHAT DID YOU DO to set it right?  That 
will tell others what to respond.  There could be lots of reasons for the 
error message.  What it is depends on something you are keeping secret from 
us, viz. WHAT YOU DID DO.

At 12:44 PM 8/22/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>hello there, Micael and Jakob, ans I WON'T say this time "this is Steve 
>Burrus",
>it seems to make people in this newsgroup rather mad and angry at me! I 
>HOPE that
>you will still agree to work with me despite my admitted procrastination 
>in NOT
>getting back to u in a timely manner!!! The main problem = : I seem to get an
>error message in DOS when I try/attempt to activate tomcat saying "The 
>JAVA_HOME
>environment variable is either missing or has been improperly set", I of 
>course
>sort of paraphrase what the message said exactly. I very much appreciate 
>any and
>all help which you could give me gentlemen. :)
>***********************************************************************************
>
>--- micael <ca...@harbornet.com> wrote:
> > I made the same offer, with no response.
> >
> > At 06:59 PM 8/21/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Steve,
> > >
> > >People have tried to help you. Case in point, you emailed me directly
> > >asking me the following....
> > >
> > >"Now, would you please list, very methodically, all of the various steps
> > >involved in installing Tomcat?! Incidentally, I am trying/attempting to
> > >install version 4.0.4 without too damned many problems that I might 
> encounter."
> > >
> > >I responded with the following....
> > >
> > >"First I'd have to know what OS you are installing on.  I won't be 
> able to
> > >give out any Unix specific install info since I work on Windows.  I also
> > >need to know what difficulties you are having with your current
> > >install.  I'd love to help you, but I'm not going to run through every
> > >last detail of an install because that is what the existing docs and the
> > >archives of this list are for.  Once you give me some base info to work
> > >from, we can try to figure out the issue you are having."
> > >
> > >
> > >I am still awaiting a response letting me know what you are having 
> trouble
> > >with, specifically.  If you aren't going to bother writing back
> > >information that I need to help you out, I'm not going to go out of my 
> way
> > >to help you.  I offered my help and you ignored the offer.  The only
> > >reason I can see for this behavior is that you want the solution 
> spoon-fed
> > >to you so others do the work for you and you just benefit from the advice
> > >without having to do much of any work.  Please don't flame back at me for
> > >this statement.  If you believe the statement is a 
> mis-characterisation of
> > >your intent, then prove me wrong by actually providing some evidence that
> > >you, in fact, *have* read the available documentation.  Until you do 
> this,
> > >you have nothing to say to anyone else and no one else has *any*
> > >obligation to answer your pleas for help.
> > >
> > >Note:  I am still willing to help you out, but please take the above into
> > >account before asking for more help in the future.  Make sure you define
> > >what you have done so far and what exactly you are having difficulty
> > >with.  No one here will write a book for you just in case one of those
> > >steps might just solve your issue.  Narrow your scope and you might get
> > >some better responses....and please stop with the "this is Steve Burris"
> > >in your email.  We know who you are based on the "from" header in the
> > >email.  You don't need to tell us again.
> > >
> > >later,
> > >
> > >Jake
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 12:50 PM 8/21/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> > >>  This is Steve Burrus again, and I am damned sorry to have to post my
> > >> plea for
> > >>help/assistance again, but everyday when I first access my email 
> there are
> > >>literally 100's of postings from other members of the Tomcat newsgroup,
> > >>and my
> > >>original post--and any response--is VERY DIFFICULT to locate, so here it
> > >>is again:
> > >>   How exactly does one go about installing the Tomcat 4.0.* 
> correctly???
> > >> I have
> > >>"racked my brain" in trying to figure out how to do this, but I simply
> > >>cannot do
> > >>it myself, I am afraid to say! Thanx in advance to anyone who can 
> help me!
> > >>
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Re: STILL Need Help w. Tomcat Install

Posted by Paul Brinkley <la...@starpower.net>.
At 12:44 PM 8/22/2002 -0700, STEVE R BURRUS wrote:
>  The main problem = : I seem to get an
>error message in DOS when I try/attempt to activate tomcat saying "The 
>JAVA_HOME
>environment variable is either missing or has been improperly set", I of 
>course
>sort of paraphrase what the message said exactly. I very much appreciate 
>any and
>all help which you could give me gentlemen. :)

Type "set JAVA_HOME" at an MS-DOS prompt.  What is the response?


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RE: STILL Need Help w. Tomcat Install

Posted by "Sexton, George" <gs...@mhsoftware.com>.
Set the JAVA_HOME variable to point to your Java directory.

>From the DOS prompt type:

set JAVA_HOME=<your path to j2sdk>

to confirm that it is set correctly, type:

echo %JAVA_HOME%

this will echo back whatever you set.

Do confirm the value type

DIR %JAVA_HOME%

-----Original Message-----
From: STEVE R BURRUS [mailto:steve5296@yahoo.com]
Sent: 22 August, 2002 1:45 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: STILL Need Help w. Tomcat Install


hello there, Micael and Jakob, ans I WON'T say this time "this is Steve
Burrus",
it seems to make people in this newsgroup rather mad and angry at me! I HOPE
that
you will still agree to work with me despite my admitted procrastination in
NOT
getting back to u in a timely manner!!! The main problem = : I seem to get
an
error message in DOS when I try/attempt to activate tomcat saying "The
JAVA_HOME
environment variable is either missing or has been improperly set", I of
course
sort of paraphrase what the message said exactly. I very much appreciate any
and
all help which you could give me gentlemen. :)
****************************************************************************
*******

--- micael <ca...@harbornet.com> wrote:
> I made the same offer, with no response.
>
> At 06:59 PM 8/21/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >Steve,
> >
> >People have tried to help you. Case in point, you emailed me directly
> >asking me the following....
> >
> >"Now, would you please list, very methodically, all of the various steps
> >involved in installing Tomcat?! Incidentally, I am trying/attempting to
> >install version 4.0.4 without too damned many problems that I might
encounter."
> >
> >I responded with the following....
> >
> >"First I'd have to know what OS you are installing on.  I won't be able
to
> >give out any Unix specific install info since I work on Windows.  I also
> >need to know what difficulties you are having with your current
> >install.  I'd love to help you, but I'm not going to run through every
> >last detail of an install because that is what the existing docs and the
> >archives of this list are for.  Once you give me some base info to work
> >from, we can try to figure out the issue you are having."
> >
> >
> >I am still awaiting a response letting me know what you are having
trouble
> >with, specifically.  If you aren't going to bother writing back
> >information that I need to help you out, I'm not going to go out of my
way
> >to help you.  I offered my help and you ignored the offer.  The only
> >reason I can see for this behavior is that you want the solution
spoon-fed
> >to you so others do the work for you and you just benefit from the advice
> >without having to do much of any work.  Please don't flame back at me for
> >this statement.  If you believe the statement is a mis-characterisation
of
> >your intent, then prove me wrong by actually providing some evidence that
> >you, in fact, *have* read the available documentation.  Until you do
this,
> >you have nothing to say to anyone else and no one else has *any*
> >obligation to answer your pleas for help.
> >
> >Note:  I am still willing to help you out, but please take the above into
> >account before asking for more help in the future.  Make sure you define
> >what you have done so far and what exactly you are having difficulty
> >with.  No one here will write a book for you just in case one of those
> >steps might just solve your issue.  Narrow your scope and you might get
> >some better responses....and please stop with the "this is Steve Burris"
> >in your email.  We know who you are based on the "from" header in the
> >email.  You don't need to tell us again.
> >
> >later,
> >
> >Jake
> >
> >
> >
> >At 12:50 PM 8/21/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> >>  This is Steve Burrus again, and I am damned sorry to have to post my
> >> plea for
> >>help/assistance again, but everyday when I first access my email there
are
> >>literally 100's of postings from other members of the Tomcat newsgroup,
> >>and my
> >>original post--and any response--is VERY DIFFICULT to locate, so here it
> >>is again:
> >>   How exactly does one go about installing the Tomcat 4.0.*
correctly???
> >> I have
> >>"racked my brain" in trying to figure out how to do this, but I simply
> >>cannot do
> >>it myself, I am afraid to say! Thanx in advance to anyone who can help
me!
> >>
> >>__________________________________________________
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Re: STILL Need Help w. Tomcat Install

Posted by STEVE R BURRUS <st...@yahoo.com>.
hello there, Micael and Jakob, ans I WON'T say this time "this is Steve Burrus",
it seems to make people in this newsgroup rather mad and angry at me! I HOPE that
you will still agree to work with me despite my admitted procrastination in NOT
getting back to u in a timely manner!!! The main problem = : I seem to get an
error message in DOS when I try/attempt to activate tomcat saying "The JAVA_HOME
environment variable is either missing or has been improperly set", I of course
sort of paraphrase what the message said exactly. I very much appreciate any and
all help which you could give me gentlemen. :)
***********************************************************************************

--- micael <ca...@harbornet.com> wrote:
> I made the same offer, with no response.
> 
> At 06:59 PM 8/21/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >Steve,
> >
> >People have tried to help you. Case in point, you emailed me directly 
> >asking me the following....
> >
> >"Now, would you please list, very methodically, all of the various steps 
> >involved in installing Tomcat?! Incidentally, I am trying/attempting to 
> >install version 4.0.4 without too damned many problems that I might encounter."
> >
> >I responded with the following....
> >
> >"First I'd have to know what OS you are installing on.  I won't be able to 
> >give out any Unix specific install info since I work on Windows.  I also 
> >need to know what difficulties you are having with your current 
> >install.  I'd love to help you, but I'm not going to run through every 
> >last detail of an install because that is what the existing docs and the 
> >archives of this list are for.  Once you give me some base info to work 
> >from, we can try to figure out the issue you are having."
> >
> >
> >I am still awaiting a response letting me know what you are having trouble 
> >with, specifically.  If you aren't going to bother writing back 
> >information that I need to help you out, I'm not going to go out of my way 
> >to help you.  I offered my help and you ignored the offer.  The only 
> >reason I can see for this behavior is that you want the solution spoon-fed 
> >to you so others do the work for you and you just benefit from the advice 
> >without having to do much of any work.  Please don't flame back at me for 
> >this statement.  If you believe the statement is a mis-characterisation of 
> >your intent, then prove me wrong by actually providing some evidence that 
> >you, in fact, *have* read the available documentation.  Until you do this, 
> >you have nothing to say to anyone else and no one else has *any* 
> >obligation to answer your pleas for help.
> >
> >Note:  I am still willing to help you out, but please take the above into 
> >account before asking for more help in the future.  Make sure you define 
> >what you have done so far and what exactly you are having difficulty 
> >with.  No one here will write a book for you just in case one of those 
> >steps might just solve your issue.  Narrow your scope and you might get 
> >some better responses....and please stop with the "this is Steve Burris" 
> >in your email.  We know who you are based on the "from" header in the 
> >email.  You don't need to tell us again.
> >
> >later,
> >
> >Jake
> >
> >
> >
> >At 12:50 PM 8/21/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> >>  This is Steve Burrus again, and I am damned sorry to have to post my 
> >> plea for
> >>help/assistance again, but everyday when I first access my email there are
> >>literally 100's of postings from other members of the Tomcat newsgroup, 
> >>and my
> >>original post--and any response--is VERY DIFFICULT to locate, so here it 
> >>is again:
> >>   How exactly does one go about installing the Tomcat 4.0.* correctly??? 
> >> I have
> >>"racked my brain" in trying to figure out how to do this, but I simply 
> >>cannot do
> >>it myself, I am afraid to say! Thanx in advance to anyone who can help me!
> >>
> >>__________________________________________________
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Re: STILL Need Help w. Tomcat Install

Posted by micael <ca...@harbornet.com>.
I made the same offer, with no response.

At 06:59 PM 8/21/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Steve,
>
>People have tried to help you. Case in point, you emailed me directly 
>asking me the following....
>
>"Now, would you please list, very methodically, all of the various steps 
>involved in installing Tomcat?! Incidentally, I am trying/attempting to 
>install version 4.0.4 without too damned many problems that I might encounter."
>
>I responded with the following....
>
>"First I'd have to know what OS you are installing on.  I won't be able to 
>give out any Unix specific install info since I work on Windows.  I also 
>need to know what difficulties you are having with your current 
>install.  I'd love to help you, but I'm not going to run through every 
>last detail of an install because that is what the existing docs and the 
>archives of this list are for.  Once you give me some base info to work 
>from, we can try to figure out the issue you are having."
>
>
>I am still awaiting a response letting me know what you are having trouble 
>with, specifically.  If you aren't going to bother writing back 
>information that I need to help you out, I'm not going to go out of my way 
>to help you.  I offered my help and you ignored the offer.  The only 
>reason I can see for this behavior is that you want the solution spoon-fed 
>to you so others do the work for you and you just benefit from the advice 
>without having to do much of any work.  Please don't flame back at me for 
>this statement.  If you believe the statement is a mis-characterisation of 
>your intent, then prove me wrong by actually providing some evidence that 
>you, in fact, *have* read the available documentation.  Until you do this, 
>you have nothing to say to anyone else and no one else has *any* 
>obligation to answer your pleas for help.
>
>Note:  I am still willing to help you out, but please take the above into 
>account before asking for more help in the future.  Make sure you define 
>what you have done so far and what exactly you are having difficulty 
>with.  No one here will write a book for you just in case one of those 
>steps might just solve your issue.  Narrow your scope and you might get 
>some better responses....and please stop with the "this is Steve Burris" 
>in your email.  We know who you are based on the "from" header in the 
>email.  You don't need to tell us again.
>
>later,
>
>Jake
>
>
>
>At 12:50 PM 8/21/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>>  This is Steve Burrus again, and I am damned sorry to have to post my 
>> plea for
>>help/assistance again, but everyday when I first access my email there are
>>literally 100's of postings from other members of the Tomcat newsgroup, 
>>and my
>>original post--and any response--is VERY DIFFICULT to locate, so here it 
>>is again:
>>   How exactly does one go about installing the Tomcat 4.0.* correctly??? 
>> I have
>>"racked my brain" in trying to figure out how to do this, but I simply 
>>cannot do
>>it myself, I am afraid to say! Thanx in advance to anyone who can help me!
>>
>>__________________________________________________
>>Do You Yahoo!?
>>HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs
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Re: STILL Need Help w. Tomcat Install

Posted by Jacob Kjome <ho...@visi.com>.
Steve,

People have tried to help you. Case in point, you emailed me directly 
asking me the following....

"Now, would you please list, very methodically, all of the various steps 
involved in installing Tomcat?! Incidentally, I am trying/attempting to 
install version 4.0.4 without too damned many problems that I might encounter."

I responded with the following....

"First I'd have to know what OS you are installing on.  I won't be able to 
give out any Unix specific install info since I work on Windows.  I also 
need to know what difficulties you are having with your current 
install.  I'd love to help you, but I'm not going to run through every last 
detail of an install because that is what the existing docs and the 
archives of this list are for.  Once you give me some base info to work 
from, we can try to figure out the issue you are having."


I am still awaiting a response letting me know what you are having trouble 
with, specifically.  If you aren't going to bother writing back information 
that I need to help you out, I'm not going to go out of my way to help 
you.  I offered my help and you ignored the offer.  The only reason I can 
see for this behavior is that you want the solution spoon-fed to you so 
others do the work for you and you just benefit from the advice without 
having to do much of any work.  Please don't flame back at me for this 
statement.  If you believe the statement is a mis-characterisation of your 
intent, then prove me wrong by actually providing some evidence that you, 
in fact, *have* read the available documentation.  Until you do this, you 
have nothing to say to anyone else and no one else has *any* obligation to 
answer your pleas for help.

Note:  I am still willing to help you out, but please take the above into 
account before asking for more help in the future.  Make sure you define 
what you have done so far and what exactly you are having difficulty 
with.  No one here will write a book for you just in case one of those 
steps might just solve your issue.  Narrow your scope and you might get 
some better responses....and please stop with the "this is Steve Burris" in 
your email.  We know who you are based on the "from" header in the 
email.  You don't need to tell us again.

later,

Jake



At 12:50 PM 8/21/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>  This is Steve Burrus again, and I am damned sorry to have to post my 
> plea for
>help/assistance again, but everyday when I first access my email there are
>literally 100's of postings from other members of the Tomcat newsgroup, and my
>original post--and any response--is VERY DIFFICULT to locate, so here it 
>is again:
>   How exactly does one go about installing the Tomcat 4.0.* correctly??? 
> I have
>"racked my brain" in trying to figure out how to do this, but I simply 
>cannot do
>it myself, I am afraid to say! Thanx in advance to anyone who can help me!
>
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RE: STILL Need Help w. Tomcat Install

Posted by "Sexton, George" <gs...@mhsoftware.com>.
This is nothing personal. I really would like to see you get the help you
need. However, you didn't even tell anyone what operating system you are
using. I would strongly recommend you read this FAQ about how to seek help
on lists.

http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

George Sexton
MH Software, Inc.
Voice: 303 438 9585
http://www.mhsoftware.com


-----Original Message-----
From: STEVE R BURRUS [mailto:steve5296@yahoo.com]
Sent: 21 August, 2002 1:50 PM
To: tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: STILL Need Help w. Tomcat Install


 This is Steve Burrus again, and I am damned sorry to have to post my plea
for
help/assistance again, but everyday when I first access my email there are
literally 100's of postings from other members of the Tomcat newsgroup, and
my
original post--and any response--is VERY DIFFICULT to locate, so here it is
again:
  How exactly does one go about installing the Tomcat 4.0.* correctly??? I
have
"racked my brain" in trying to figure out how to do this, but I simply
cannot do
it myself, I am afraid to say! Thanx in advance to anyone who can help me!

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Re: STILL Need Help w. Tomcat Install

Posted by micael <ca...@harbornet.com>.

If you will try again and document exactly what you do, I will be happy to 
chime in with where I think you ought to change things.  You must be 
missing something fundamental, because the documentation on this is pretty 
good.

Micael



YOU WROTE

How exactly does one go about installing the Tomcat 4.0.* correctly??? I have
>"racked my brain" in trying to figure out how to do this, but I simply 
>cannot do
>it myself, I am afraid to say! Thanx in advance to anyone who can help me!



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