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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM> on 2008/06/01 04:27:35 UTC
Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate JSecurity Project
IMHO, the decision on build tools belongs to the community.
I've signed on to mentor this project.
Maybe there is a "fast track" through the incubator, and this is a
good project to try it out. Can JSecurity get graduated in six months?
Craig
On May 30, 2008, at 9:08 AM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
> Ant+Ivy vs Maven =)
>
>
> On May 30, 2008, at 12:06 PM, James Carman wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny
>> <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Maven vs Ant vs Buildr ?
>>
>> Who uses Ant or Buildr? ;)
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate JSecurity Project
Posted by Les Hazlewood <le...@hazlewood.com>.
Hi Craig,
We're definitely happy to have you as a mentor. Thanks for joining in!
Have you joined the developer list? I have at least one question to ask you
thus far, but I don't want to hijack this thread.
Thanks!
Les
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Craig L Russell <Cr...@sun.com>
wrote:
> On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 31, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>
>> I've signed on to mentor this project.
>>>
>>
>> Great!
>>
>> Maybe there is a "fast track" through the incubator, and this is a good
>>> project to try it out. Can JSecurity get graduated in six months?
>>>
>>
>> IIUC, all incubator projects are on the "fast track".
>>
>
> Well, there is a big difference between entry and exit criteria for the
> incubator. Many projects entering incubation need to resolve IP issues,
> build a community, and learn how to work in open source. So, no, I don't
> think all projects are on the fast track.
>
> I personally like to see one release under incubation to see the podling
>> in action.
>>
>
> And most incubator folks agree.
>
> It's always interesting to see what happens when people outside the
>> original clique start contributing to the project.
>>
>
> Yes, community building is a big part of incubation.
>
> Craig
>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>
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> Craig Russell
> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate JSecurity Project
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
Hi Alex,
I think the proposal is a good one and has good prospects for success.
No quarrel with anything you've said.
Craig
On Jun 1, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Craig L Russell
> <Cr...@sun.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On May 31, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>>
>>> I've signed on to mentor this project.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Great!
>>>
>>> Maybe there is a "fast track" through the incubator, and this is a
>>> good
>>>> project to try it out. Can JSecurity get graduated in six months?
>>>>
>>>
>>> IIUC, all incubator projects are on the "fast track".
>>>
>>
>> Well, there is a big difference between entry and exit criteria for
>> the
>> incubator. Many projects entering incubation need to resolve IP
>> issues,
>> build a community, and learn how to work in open source. So, no, I
>> don't
>> think all projects are on the fast track.
>>
>
> It's all up to the community. They're in charge of their destiny
> and it's
> up to them to achieve what is required for graduation.
>
> Bottom line, the podling must meet the Apache Incubator's criteria.
> If that
> occurs quickly then wonderful, if not, then it may take some more
> time to
> cook. It may never graduate at all if the criteria are not met and
> the
> right community does not gel. Furthermore, the project may decide
> down the
> road that the Apache Way may not be the best way for them. Who
> knows? Even
> with our easiest incubation (Wicket I think) we were hopeful at the
> start
> but you just never know how long this will take.
>
> Healthy stable communities form like a fine wine and rushing
> graduation is
> like rushing the fermentation process. It takes a while to get
> there but
> when we do we've got a gem. Regardless though, let's not impose
> artificial
> time frames on increasing or decreasing the incubation time. Let's
> just get
> on with meeting the criteria for graduation. That's the best that
> we can
> do.
>
>
>>
>>
>> I personally like to see one release under incubation to see the
>> podling
>>> in action.
>>>
>>
>> And most incubator folks agree.
>>
>
> +1
>
> Regards,
> Alex
Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate JSecurity Project
Posted by Alex Karasulu <ak...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Craig L Russell <Cr...@sun.com>
wrote:
> On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 31, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>
>> I've signed on to mentor this project.
>>>
>>
>> Great!
>>
>> Maybe there is a "fast track" through the incubator, and this is a good
>>> project to try it out. Can JSecurity get graduated in six months?
>>>
>>
>> IIUC, all incubator projects are on the "fast track".
>>
>
> Well, there is a big difference between entry and exit criteria for the
> incubator. Many projects entering incubation need to resolve IP issues,
> build a community, and learn how to work in open source. So, no, I don't
> think all projects are on the fast track.
>
It's all up to the community. They're in charge of their destiny and it's
up to them to achieve what is required for graduation.
Bottom line, the podling must meet the Apache Incubator's criteria. If that
occurs quickly then wonderful, if not, then it may take some more time to
cook. It may never graduate at all if the criteria are not met and the
right community does not gel. Furthermore, the project may decide down the
road that the Apache Way may not be the best way for them. Who knows? Even
with our easiest incubation (Wicket I think) we were hopeful at the start
but you just never know how long this will take.
Healthy stable communities form like a fine wine and rushing graduation is
like rushing the fermentation process. It takes a while to get there but
when we do we've got a gem. Regardless though, let's not impose artificial
time frames on increasing or decreasing the incubation time. Let's just get
on with meeting the criteria for graduation. That's the best that we can
do.
>
>
> I personally like to see one release under incubation to see the podling
>> in action.
>>
>
> And most incubator folks agree.
>
+1
Regards,
Alex
Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate JSecurity Project
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
> On May 31, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>
>> I've signed on to mentor this project.
>
> Great!
>
>> Maybe there is a "fast track" through the incubator, and this is a
>> good project to try it out. Can JSecurity get graduated in six
>> months?
>
> IIUC, all incubator projects are on the "fast track".
Well, there is a big difference between entry and exit criteria for
the incubator. Many projects entering incubation need to resolve IP
issues, build a community, and learn how to work in open source. So,
no, I don't think all projects are on the fast track.
> I personally like to see one release under incubation to see the
> podling in action.
And most incubator folks agree.
> It's always interesting to see what happens when people outside the
> original clique start contributing to the project.
Yes, community building is a big part of incubation.
Craig
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
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Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate JSecurity Project
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
On May 31, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
> I've signed on to mentor this project.
Great!
> Maybe there is a "fast track" through the incubator, and this is a
> good project to try it out. Can JSecurity get graduated in six months?
IIUC, all incubator projects are on the "fast track". I personally
like to see one release under incubation to see the podling in
action. It's always interesting to see what happens when people
outside the original clique start contributing to the project.
Regards,
Alan
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate JSecurity Project
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Craig L Russell <Cr...@sun.com> wrote:
> IMHO, the decision on build tools belongs to the community.
>
> I've signed on to mentor this project.
>
> Maybe there is a "fast track" through the incubator, and this is a good
> project to try it out. Can JSecurity get graduated in six months?
>
This would probably depends on the podling being able to demonstrate
to IPMC that they are ready and they have met the requirements in [1].
Having said that, I have seen podlings that are very active, lots of
users, but having difficulty to really get the Apache Way.
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator
> Craig
>
> On May 30, 2008, at 9:08 AM, Jeremy Haile wrote:
>
>> Ant+Ivy vs Maven =)
>>
>>
>> On May 30, 2008, at 12:06 PM, James Carman wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny
>>> <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maven vs Ant vs Buildr ?
>>>
>>> Who uses Ant or Buildr? ;)
>>>
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> Craig Russell
> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
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