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[chain] Forking to a 2.0?
Hi,
I've been a active user for a number of years now and a big fan of the
project. I'm a total beginner when it comes to contributing on Apache
projects, so please bear with me.
The code base for Apache Chain is starting to feel more and more
dated. I would like to see the following changes in the project:
* Upgrading the source code to 1.6.
* Supporting generics on commands, so that we get something like
Command<MyContext>
* Switching the logging API over to SLF4J, so that we can swap out
logging implementations
* Using the new java.util.concurrency classes to handle thread safety as needed.
* Removing deprecated methods.
I realize that I am suggestion rather drastic API changes that may
break the existing API and that is why I'm suggesting a 2.0. I have a
prototype that I am working on and I do not see it being a lot of work
to accomplish the above tasks.
Would a 2.0 version of Chain be useful to anyone? Or should I just
fork the project for my own needs and release it independently like
the Commons Collections with Generics?
I know that I'm assuming a lot and diving in head first here, so thank
you ahead of time for any replies.
-Elijah Zupancic
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Re: [chain] Forking to a 2.0?
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Hi Paul - nice to hear from you :)
honestly I don't remember the thread where I raw it, please give me
some time to find it in the archive - I even started doubting myself I
raw here in commons or somewhere else... I'm sure in Cocoon we agreed
migrating to slf4j - we haven't started yet, but that's another story
:P
Just to avoid mistakes, let me find it on markmail :P
Have a nice day, all the best!
Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Simone Tripodi
> <si...@apache.org> wrote:
>> * please don't migrate to slf4j. here at commons we continue using
>> commons-logging
>
> I haven't heard this before. How come? Just curious.
>
> Paul
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Re: [chain] Forking to a 2.0?
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Hi again Paul,
in the case you didn't follow the other thread I started abou, here's
the link http://bit.ly/qWAmvZ
Please read following thread messages!!!
All the best!
Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Simone Tripodi
> <si...@apache.org> wrote:
>> * please don't migrate to slf4j. here at commons we continue using
>> commons-logging
>
> I haven't heard this before. How come? Just curious.
>
> Paul
>
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Re: [chain] Forking to a 2.0?
Posted by Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Simone Tripodi
<si...@apache.org> wrote:
> * please don't migrate to slf4j. here at commons we continue using
> commons-logging
I haven't heard this before. How come? Just curious.
Paul
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Re: [chain] Forking to a 2.0?
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Hi Elijah,
don't worry, no rush. I wouldn't have the chance to have a look at it
if you would have published quickly, I just started a new job and I'm
putting more effort on office activity since I'm at the beginning :P
Once ready, just fill a new issue on Jira and attach the patch - we
will start a new thread discussing about it :)
Looking forward to hear from you soon, have a nice vacation!!!
All the best,
Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Elijah Zupancic <el...@zupancic.name> wrote:
> Hi Simo,
>
> That was just the type of information that I was looking for. Skipping
> a logging refactor vastly simplifies the work I was planning on doing.
>
> I won't be able to publish my proof of concept until sometime next
> week because I have a vacation coming up.
>
> Thanks,
> -Elijah
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Simone Tripodi
> <si...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hi Elijah,
>> it sounds a great interesting contribution, I haven't seen [chain]
>> development activity lately so I eventually volunteer to apply the
>> patch. Thanks in advance for your effort, [chain] if one of the
>> components that need new energy.
>>
>> Two recommendations:
>>
>> * we are updating components code to more recent JVM specs, please
>> try to keep 1.5 as target as much as possible. take the [digester] pom
>> (is the one I know more) as a good sample where starting from
>> * please don't migrate to slf4j. here at commons we continue using
>> commons-logging
>>
>> Hope that helps and count on me if you need more infos - feel free to
>> contact me even directly for trivial questions, better anyway
>> discussing on public MLs.
>>
>> A minor note: [collections] will get a new life soon ;)
>> Have a nice day, all the best!
>> Simo
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 7:27 PM, David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> +1
>>> Den 28. juli 2011 06:42 skrev "Paul Benedict" <pb...@apache.org>
>>> følgende:
>>>>
>>>> +1. I have done some of this privately (like generics). Having an
>>>> official version would be so useful.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Elijah Zupancic <el...@zupancic.name>
>>> wrote:
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > I've been a active user for a number of years now and a big fan of the
>>>> > project. I'm a total beginner when it comes to contributing on Apache
>>>> > projects, so please bear with me.
>>>> >
>>>> > The code base for Apache Chain is starting to feel more and more
>>>> > dated. I would like to see the following changes in the project:
>>>> >
>>>> > * Upgrading the source code to 1.6.
>>>> > * Supporting generics on commands, so that we get something like
>>>> > Command<MyContext>
>>>> > * Switching the logging API over to SLF4J, so that we can swap out
>>>> > logging implementations
>>>> > * Using the new java.util.concurrency classes to handle thread safety as
>>> needed.
>>>> > * Removing deprecated methods.
>>>> >
>>>> > I realize that I am suggestion rather drastic API changes that may
>>>> > break the existing API and that is why I'm suggesting a 2.0. I have a
>>>> > prototype that I am working on and I do not see it being a lot of work
>>>> > to accomplish the above tasks.
>>>> >
>>>> > Would a 2.0 version of Chain be useful to anyone? Or should I just
>>>> > fork the project for my own needs and release it independently like
>>>> > the Commons Collections with Generics?
>>>> >
>>>> > I know that I'm assuming a lot and diving in head first here, so thank
>>>> > you ahead of time for any replies.
>>>> >
>>>> > -Elijah Zupancic
>>>> >
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>>>> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@commons.apache.org
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>
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Re: [chain] Forking to a 2.0?
Posted by Elijah Zupancic <el...@zupancic.name>.
Hi Simo,
That was just the type of information that I was looking for. Skipping
a logging refactor vastly simplifies the work I was planning on doing.
I won't be able to publish my proof of concept until sometime next
week because I have a vacation coming up.
Thanks,
-Elijah
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Simone Tripodi
<si...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Elijah,
> it sounds a great interesting contribution, I haven't seen [chain]
> development activity lately so I eventually volunteer to apply the
> patch. Thanks in advance for your effort, [chain] if one of the
> components that need new energy.
>
> Two recommendations:
>
> * we are updating components code to more recent JVM specs, please
> try to keep 1.5 as target as much as possible. take the [digester] pom
> (is the one I know more) as a good sample where starting from
> * please don't migrate to slf4j. here at commons we continue using
> commons-logging
>
> Hope that helps and count on me if you need more infos - feel free to
> contact me even directly for trivial questions, better anyway
> discussing on public MLs.
>
> A minor note: [collections] will get a new life soon ;)
> Have a nice day, all the best!
> Simo
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 7:27 PM, David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> +1
>> Den 28. juli 2011 06:42 skrev "Paul Benedict" <pb...@apache.org>
>> følgende:
>>>
>>> +1. I have done some of this privately (like generics). Having an
>>> official version would be so useful.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Elijah Zupancic <el...@zupancic.name>
>> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I've been a active user for a number of years now and a big fan of the
>>> > project. I'm a total beginner when it comes to contributing on Apache
>>> > projects, so please bear with me.
>>> >
>>> > The code base for Apache Chain is starting to feel more and more
>>> > dated. I would like to see the following changes in the project:
>>> >
>>> > * Upgrading the source code to 1.6.
>>> > * Supporting generics on commands, so that we get something like
>>> > Command<MyContext>
>>> > * Switching the logging API over to SLF4J, so that we can swap out
>>> > logging implementations
>>> > * Using the new java.util.concurrency classes to handle thread safety as
>> needed.
>>> > * Removing deprecated methods.
>>> >
>>> > I realize that I am suggestion rather drastic API changes that may
>>> > break the existing API and that is why I'm suggesting a 2.0. I have a
>>> > prototype that I am working on and I do not see it being a lot of work
>>> > to accomplish the above tasks.
>>> >
>>> > Would a 2.0 version of Chain be useful to anyone? Or should I just
>>> > fork the project for my own needs and release it independently like
>>> > the Commons Collections with Generics?
>>> >
>>> > I know that I'm assuming a lot and diving in head first here, so thank
>>> > you ahead of time for any replies.
>>> >
>>> > -Elijah Zupancic
>>> >
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>>> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@commons.apache.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
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Re: [chain] Forking to a 2.0?
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Hi Elijah,
it sounds a great interesting contribution, I haven't seen [chain]
development activity lately so I eventually volunteer to apply the
patch. Thanks in advance for your effort, [chain] if one of the
components that need new energy.
Two recommendations:
* we are updating components code to more recent JVM specs, please
try to keep 1.5 as target as much as possible. take the [digester] pom
(is the one I know more) as a good sample where starting from
* please don't migrate to slf4j. here at commons we continue using
commons-logging
Hope that helps and count on me if you need more infos - feel free to
contact me even directly for trivial questions, better anyway
discussing on public MLs.
A minor note: [collections] will get a new life soon ;)
Have a nice day, all the best!
Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 7:27 PM, David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
> Den 28. juli 2011 06:42 skrev "Paul Benedict" <pb...@apache.org>
> følgende:
>>
>> +1. I have done some of this privately (like generics). Having an
>> official version would be so useful.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Elijah Zupancic <el...@zupancic.name>
> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I've been a active user for a number of years now and a big fan of the
>> > project. I'm a total beginner when it comes to contributing on Apache
>> > projects, so please bear with me.
>> >
>> > The code base for Apache Chain is starting to feel more and more
>> > dated. I would like to see the following changes in the project:
>> >
>> > * Upgrading the source code to 1.6.
>> > * Supporting generics on commands, so that we get something like
>> > Command<MyContext>
>> > * Switching the logging API over to SLF4J, so that we can swap out
>> > logging implementations
>> > * Using the new java.util.concurrency classes to handle thread safety as
> needed.
>> > * Removing deprecated methods.
>> >
>> > I realize that I am suggestion rather drastic API changes that may
>> > break the existing API and that is why I'm suggesting a 2.0. I have a
>> > prototype that I am working on and I do not see it being a lot of work
>> > to accomplish the above tasks.
>> >
>> > Would a 2.0 version of Chain be useful to anyone? Or should I just
>> > fork the project for my own needs and release it independently like
>> > the Commons Collections with Generics?
>> >
>> > I know that I'm assuming a lot and diving in head first here, so thank
>> > you ahead of time for any replies.
>> >
>> > -Elijah Zupancic
>> >
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>> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@commons.apache.org
>> >
>> >
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Re: [chain] Forking to a 2.0?
Posted by David Karlsen <da...@gmail.com>.
+1
Den 28. juli 2011 06:42 skrev "Paul Benedict" <pb...@apache.org>
følgende:
>
> +1. I have done some of this privately (like generics). Having an
> official version would be so useful.
>
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Elijah Zupancic <el...@zupancic.name>
wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've been a active user for a number of years now and a big fan of the
> > project. I'm a total beginner when it comes to contributing on Apache
> > projects, so please bear with me.
> >
> > The code base for Apache Chain is starting to feel more and more
> > dated. I would like to see the following changes in the project:
> >
> > * Upgrading the source code to 1.6.
> > * Supporting generics on commands, so that we get something like
> > Command<MyContext>
> > * Switching the logging API over to SLF4J, so that we can swap out
> > logging implementations
> > * Using the new java.util.concurrency classes to handle thread safety as
needed.
> > * Removing deprecated methods.
> >
> > I realize that I am suggestion rather drastic API changes that may
> > break the existing API and that is why I'm suggesting a 2.0. I have a
> > prototype that I am working on and I do not see it being a lot of work
> > to accomplish the above tasks.
> >
> > Would a 2.0 version of Chain be useful to anyone? Or should I just
> > fork the project for my own needs and release it independently like
> > the Commons Collections with Generics?
> >
> > I know that I'm assuming a lot and diving in head first here, so thank
> > you ahead of time for any replies.
> >
> > -Elijah Zupancic
> >
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> >
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Re: [chain] Forking to a 2.0?
Posted by Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>.
+1. I have done some of this privately (like generics). Having an
official version would be so useful.
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Elijah Zupancic <el...@zupancic.name> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've been a active user for a number of years now and a big fan of the
> project. I'm a total beginner when it comes to contributing on Apache
> projects, so please bear with me.
>
> The code base for Apache Chain is starting to feel more and more
> dated. I would like to see the following changes in the project:
>
> * Upgrading the source code to 1.6.
> * Supporting generics on commands, so that we get something like
> Command<MyContext>
> * Switching the logging API over to SLF4J, so that we can swap out
> logging implementations
> * Using the new java.util.concurrency classes to handle thread safety as needed.
> * Removing deprecated methods.
>
> I realize that I am suggestion rather drastic API changes that may
> break the existing API and that is why I'm suggesting a 2.0. I have a
> prototype that I am working on and I do not see it being a lot of work
> to accomplish the above tasks.
>
> Would a 2.0 version of Chain be useful to anyone? Or should I just
> fork the project for my own needs and release it independently like
> the Commons Collections with Generics?
>
> I know that I'm assuming a lot and diving in head first here, so thank
> you ahead of time for any replies.
>
> -Elijah Zupancic
>
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