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NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Hey

Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour

I am a newbie.

Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?

Thank You
Deepak
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Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by Dave Brosius <db...@apache.org>.

So then,.... not going to help, at all. i see.

ok



On 06/11/2016 12:31 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> Can you please clarify what you mean by \u201csomeone of my stature
> [sic]\u201d should do something about the tools supplied by Apache? It\u2019s
> not my responsibility - it\u2019s the community\u2019s responsibility and
> infra\u2019s responsibility from a perspective of aiding the communities
> here at the foundation.
>
> Has anyone from the Apache Cassandra PMC contacted infra@ and
> discussed tooling options for documentation? The CMS supports
> markdown, and pretty much any flavor of external tool (it just needs
> to be hooked in). Confluence is pretty good - have you tried it?
> MoinMoin, admittedly, is extremely basic. There are a variety of
> options.
>
> Regardless of the state of the tooling, the documentation for Apache
> Cassandra needs to live with the PMC, and not on an external company\u2019s
> website. Period.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/11/16, 9:26 AM, "Dave Brosius" <db...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> The tools supplied by Apache for documentation, ie, wiki, are awful. No
>> human being should be subjected to those. It would be great if someone
>> of your stature would do something about that for the entire Apache
>> community.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 06/11/2016 12:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> While this may be a current great source of documentation on
>>> Cassandra, and while it exists externally, the PMC should be
>>> be promoting (and hopefully ensuring) that the source of documentation
>>> for Apache Cassandra is here at the ASF.
>>>
>>> I\u2019m happy to be corrected that that is the case, and/or that
>>> I\u2019ve missed something, but the first reply to questions like
>>> this from newbies shouldn\u2019t be to point to an external website.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>> Chief Architect
>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
>>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/11/16, 8:54 AM, "Bhuvan Rawal" <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Deepak,
>>>>
>>>> You can try Datastax Docs, they are most extensive and updated
>>>> documentation available.
>>>> As Cassandra is a fast developing technology I wonder if there is a Book in
>>>> the market which covers latest features like Materialized Views/ SASI Index
>>>> or new SSTable Format. I believe the best starting point would be the
>>>> Academy Tutorials and further Planet Cassandra - A week in Cassandra series
>>>> provides good overview of blogs and developments by Cassandra Evangelists.
>>>> It also provides link of top blogs which help understand internal working
>>>> of the Database.
>>>>
>>>> However if you still feel the need, you may refer to books, here are some
>>>> that I know of -
>>>> Beginning Apache Cassandra Development - Vivek Mishra - 2014 - Link
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Apache-Cassandra-Development-Mishra/dp/1484201434>
>>>> Cassandra Data Modeling and Analysis - 2014 C.Y. Kan - Link
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Data-Modeling-Analysis-C-Y/dp/1783988886/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659906&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+data+modeling+and+analysis>
>>>> Mastering Apache Cassandra - Second Edition - March 26 2015 - Link
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784392618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1484201434&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=YVM1QBXHKAFK18J1XBAC>
>>>> Cassandra Design Patterns - 2015 - Link
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Design-Patterns-Rajanarayanan-Thottuvaikkatumana/dp/178528570X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659937&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+design+patterns>
>>>> Cassandra High Availability - 2014 - Link
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-High-Availability-Robbie-Strickland/dp/1783989122/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+high+availability>
>>>> Learning Apache Cassandra - Manage Fault Tolerant and Scalable Real-Time
>>>> Data - 2015 - Link
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Apache-Cassandra-Tolerant-Real-Time/dp/1783989203/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-3&keywords=cassandra+high+availability>
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Bhuvan
>>>> Datastax Certified Architect
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Deepak Goel <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey
>>>>>
>>>>> Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a newbie.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank You
>>>>> Deepak
>>>>>      --
>>>>> Keigu
>>>>>
>>>>> Deepak
>>>>> 73500 12833
>>>>> www.simtree.net, deepak@simtree.net
>>>>> deicool@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/deicool
>>>>> Skype: thumsupdeicool
>>>>> Google talk: deicool
>>>>> Blog: http://loveandfearless.wordpress.com
>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/deicool
>>>>>
>>>>> "Contribute to the world, environment and more :
>>>>> http://www.gridrepublic.org
>>>>> "
>>>>>

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.

Hi Dave,

Can you please clarify what you mean by “someone of my stature
[sic]” should do something about the tools supplied by Apache? It’s
not my responsibility - it’s the community’s responsibility and
infra’s responsibility from a perspective of aiding the communities
here at the foundation.

Has anyone from the Apache Cassandra PMC contacted infra@ and
discussed tooling options for documentation? The CMS supports
markdown, and pretty much any flavor of external tool (it just needs
to be hooked in). Confluence is pretty good - have you tried it?
MoinMoin, admittedly, is extremely basic. There are a variety of
options.

Regardless of the state of the tooling, the documentation for Apache
Cassandra needs to live with the PMC, and not on an external company’s
website. Period.

Cheers, 
Chris


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++









On 6/11/16, 9:26 AM, "Dave Brosius" <db...@apache.org> wrote:

>Chris,
>
>The tools supplied by Apache for documentation, ie, wiki, are awful. No 
>human being should be subjected to those. It would be great if someone 
>of your stature would do something about that for the entire Apache 
>community.
>
>
>
>
>On 06/11/2016 12:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> While this may be a current great source of documentation on
>> Cassandra, and while it exists externally, the PMC should be
>> be promoting (and hopefully ensuring) that the source of documentation
>> for Apache Cassandra is here at the ASF.
>>
>> I’m happy to be corrected that that is the case, and/or that
>> I’ve missed something, but the first reply to questions like
>> this from newbies shouldn’t be to point to an external website.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Chief Architect
>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/11/16, 8:54 AM, "Bhuvan Rawal" <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Deepak,
>>>
>>> You can try Datastax Docs, they are most extensive and updated
>>> documentation available.
>>> As Cassandra is a fast developing technology I wonder if there is a Book in
>>> the market which covers latest features like Materialized Views/ SASI Index
>>> or new SSTable Format. I believe the best starting point would be the
>>> Academy Tutorials and further Planet Cassandra - A week in Cassandra series
>>> provides good overview of blogs and developments by Cassandra Evangelists.
>>> It also provides link of top blogs which help understand internal working
>>> of the Database.
>>>
>>> However if you still feel the need, you may refer to books, here are some
>>> that I know of -
>>> Beginning Apache Cassandra Development - Vivek Mishra - 2014 - Link
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Apache-Cassandra-Development-Mishra/dp/1484201434>
>>> Cassandra Data Modeling and Analysis - 2014 C.Y. Kan - Link
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Data-Modeling-Analysis-C-Y/dp/1783988886/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659906&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+data+modeling+and+analysis>
>>> Mastering Apache Cassandra - Second Edition - March 26 2015 - Link
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784392618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1484201434&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=YVM1QBXHKAFK18J1XBAC>
>>> Cassandra Design Patterns - 2015 - Link
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Design-Patterns-Rajanarayanan-Thottuvaikkatumana/dp/178528570X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659937&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+design+patterns>
>>> Cassandra High Availability - 2014 - Link
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-High-Availability-Robbie-Strickland/dp/1783989122/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+high+availability>
>>> Learning Apache Cassandra - Manage Fault Tolerant and Scalable Real-Time
>>> Data - 2015 - Link
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Apache-Cassandra-Tolerant-Real-Time/dp/1783989203/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-3&keywords=cassandra+high+availability>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Bhuvan
>>> Datastax Certified Architect
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Deepak Goel <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey
>>>>
>>>> Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
>>>>
>>>> I am a newbie.
>>>>
>>>> Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?
>>>>
>>>> Thank You
>>>> Deepak
>>>>     --
>>>> Keigu
>>>>
>>>> Deepak
>>>> 73500 12833
>>>> www.simtree.net, deepak@simtree.net
>>>> deicool@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/deicool
>>>> Skype: thumsupdeicool
>>>> Google talk: deicool
>>>> Blog: http://loveandfearless.wordpress.com
>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/deicool
>>>>
>>>> "Contribute to the world, environment and more :
>>>> http://www.gridrepublic.org
>>>> "
>>>>
>

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by Dave Brosius <db...@apache.org>.

Chris,

The tools supplied by Apache for documentation, ie, wiki, are awful. No 
human being should be subjected to those. It would be great if someone 
of your stature would do something about that for the entire Apache 
community.




On 06/11/2016 12:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> While this may be a current great source of documentation on
> Cassandra, and while it exists externally, the PMC should be
> be promoting (and hopefully ensuring) that the source of documentation
> for Apache Cassandra is here at the ASF.
>
> I\u2019m happy to be corrected that that is the case, and/or that
> I\u2019ve missed something, but the first reply to questions like
> this from newbies shouldn\u2019t be to point to an external website.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/11/16, 8:54 AM, "Bhuvan Rawal" <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Deepak,
>>
>> You can try Datastax Docs, they are most extensive and updated
>> documentation available.
>> As Cassandra is a fast developing technology I wonder if there is a Book in
>> the market which covers latest features like Materialized Views/ SASI Index
>> or new SSTable Format. I believe the best starting point would be the
>> Academy Tutorials and further Planet Cassandra - A week in Cassandra series
>> provides good overview of blogs and developments by Cassandra Evangelists.
>> It also provides link of top blogs which help understand internal working
>> of the Database.
>>
>> However if you still feel the need, you may refer to books, here are some
>> that I know of -
>> Beginning Apache Cassandra Development - Vivek Mishra - 2014 - Link
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Apache-Cassandra-Development-Mishra/dp/1484201434>
>> Cassandra Data Modeling and Analysis - 2014 C.Y. Kan - Link
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Data-Modeling-Analysis-C-Y/dp/1783988886/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659906&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+data+modeling+and+analysis>
>> Mastering Apache Cassandra - Second Edition - March 26 2015 - Link
>> <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784392618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1484201434&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=YVM1QBXHKAFK18J1XBAC>
>> Cassandra Design Patterns - 2015 - Link
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Design-Patterns-Rajanarayanan-Thottuvaikkatumana/dp/178528570X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659937&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+design+patterns>
>> Cassandra High Availability - 2014 - Link
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-High-Availability-Robbie-Strickland/dp/1783989122/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+high+availability>
>> Learning Apache Cassandra - Manage Fault Tolerant and Scalable Real-Time
>> Data - 2015 - Link
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Apache-Cassandra-Tolerant-Real-Time/dp/1783989203/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-3&keywords=cassandra+high+availability>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Bhuvan
>> Datastax Certified Architect
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Deepak Goel <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey
>>>
>>> Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
>>>
>>> I am a newbie.
>>>
>>> Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?
>>>
>>> Thank You
>>> Deepak
>>>     --
>>> Keigu
>>>
>>> Deepak
>>> 73500 12833
>>> www.simtree.net, deepak@simtree.net
>>> deicool@gmail.com
>>>
>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/deicool
>>> Skype: thumsupdeicool
>>> Google talk: deicool
>>> Blog: http://loveandfearless.wordpress.com
>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/deicool
>>>
>>> "Contribute to the world, environment and more :
>>> http://www.gridrepublic.org
>>> "
>>>

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by Adam Tourkow <at...@gmail.com>.

Where else to discuss it? It should be constructive, yes. But we are all
here to learn and grow with Cassandra.  The original question is a good
one. The direction it took was poor.
On Jun 11, 2016 11:54 PM, <my...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> I am user of Cassandra. I am grateful to each of you for providing your
> time as committers to the code base for a great product.
>
> This is what I wanted to suggest - could you gentlemen not create a group
> email   Id to discuss matters of such importance amongst yourselves. Using
> the dev list I am not sure is the best place. I have been reading emails
> where insinuations have being made - if a particular company may high jack
> the code base etc.
>
> We are all developers , we love our code. I don't think this is right
> forum to bring things out of this proportion , read wash dirty linen.
>
> Pardon me if you think my opinion or inputs are wrong.
>
> I am newbie on Cassandra. I use it as an application developer. I don't
> have any intention to judge your experiences or thoughts. Just saying this
> could be done in a finer way without most if us getting to know about it.
>
> Regards,
> Harmeet
>
>
>
> On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:31, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
>
> > Looking at that thread, I'm surprised you didn't call Dave out as well,
> > that attitude did no one any favours.
> >
> >> Because lets all face the
> >> facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I have
> >> done both for this project.
> >
> > That's clearly incorrect, I (and I suspect other people) like writing
> docs
> > because it means people can use your tools in a much easier manner than
> > looking through the code or unit tests.
> >
> > Tooling can be a burden but it doesn't excuse not writing docs, even if
> it
> > becomes a PMC type rule for committers to commit Docs for new features
> like
> > they should be committing unit tests. At least it improves what is
> shipped
> > with the Apache project in question.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Russell,
> >>
> >> [CC/board@, board members may want to join the
> >> Apache Cassandra lists for specifics and further
> >> engagement]
> >>
> >> Multiple things that need to be addressed below, but TL;DR:
> >>
> >> 1. I have asked the Apache Cassandra PMC, and its chair, to provide
> >> a detailed description on how the project *isn’t* controlled by an
> >> external entity in its next monthly board report. The below further
> >> re-enforces the control. Further, it re-enforces the vitriol and
> >> name calling attitude when questioned and when someone suggests
> >> pointing to the Apache documentation and making it better as a first
> >> step. I plan on making it very loudly known at our next board meeting
> >> that something is awry. CC/board@ ahead of time on that.
> >>
> >> 2. You don’t seem to understand Apache. This is unfortunate.  I
> >> went to go look you up and see if you are a PMC member for Apache
> >> Cassandra. Funny enough, the main page doesn’t even link to the PMC
> >> (I couldn’t find a direct link). This isn’t even correct with respect
> >> to Apache branding guidelines here at the ASF. Shane, would you
> >> like to comment here? For an FYI to everyone, see:
> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
> >>
> >> After a Google Search, I found this page:
> >> https://wiki.apache.org/cassandra/Committers
> >>
> >> That looks way out of date. Luckily there is the project.apache.org
> >> ASF page: https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?cassandra
> >>
> >> Which indicates you aren’t a committer or PMC member of the project.
> >> This is unfortunate. If you wrote a book for projects I work on, I
> >> would have hopefully long before and along the way got involved in
> >> the community, and encouraged you to contribute to the *core effort
> >> here at the ASF* and took you on the path towards becoming a PMC
> >> member in the *Apache project that is the core effort*.
> >>
> >> In short, I can see why you don’t understand Apache. It’s likely
> >> due to the fact that the Apache Cassandra PMC doesn’t seem to get
> >> it either. If they did, they would have worked to explain it to
> >> you.  More on that later.
> >>
> >> 3. The fact that you think “the companies that I try to [sic] vilify
> >> are the *future* of projects like this” isn’t just a statement that
> >> indicates you don’t get Apache. That someone in the community (which
> >> includes you even though you aren’t a committer or on the PMC) would
> >> think the “companies” are the “future” of any ASF project is just
> >> way way bad. Like way bad. Off the rails bad. We are *individuals*
> >> here, not companies.
> >>
> >> 4. You state you have wrote drivers and documentation for this
> >> project.  Yet you aren’t a PMC member or committer at the ASF. Ever
> >> scratch your head and wonder why? By itself, again, sometimes there
> >> are reasons for this. Taken in context, there is something REALLY
> >> wrong here.
> >>
> >> Now, more specific replies inline below. Jonathan and PMC members
> >> for Apache Cassandra. Please take time to explain in your report
> >> what’s going on. I’m hopeful with mentorship and guidance and time
> >> this can be addressed but right now, not really happy with what
> >> I’m seeing.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> **********
> >> Specific comments
> >>
> >> On 6/11/16, 9:48 AM, "Russell Bradberry" <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I respectfully disagree.  "Newbies" should be pointed in the direction
> >> that
> >>> will ensure the highest possibility of their success with the product.
> >>> This is the best decision for the project, regardless of where the
> >>> documentation may reside.
> >>
> >> While I agree with pointing Newbies to the point where
> >> there is the best documentation - I don’t agree that place
> >> should be outside of the Apache project.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> As one of the authors of an early book on Cassandra, the reason we
> wrote
> >> it
> >>> was because the ASF documentation was abysmal.
> >>
> >> What did you do to try and counteract this? Did you attempt to submit
> >> documentation patches and/or to submit documentation that would address
> >> that?
> >>
> >>> Now I am happy to say that
> >>> the book I wrote is obsolete, not just because it was written against
> an
> >>> early version of Cassandra, but because the external documentation is
> so
> >>> thorough the need for a book to be written in no longer present.
> >>
> >> I had no problem with your statement until you put “external” before the
> >> word “documentation”.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> If the ASF and the PMC want to promote internal documentation, then a
> >>> serious amount of time and effort needs to be put into the
> documentation.
> >>> This goes for every project in the ASF. The current state of
> documentation
> >>> in any of the Apache projects sub-standard at best.
> >>
> >> This, unfortunately, is a strawman. I tell you that ASF projects should
> >> have
> >> the documentation that is required to run and should be the *first*
> place
> >> you point users to for your documentation. You respond, well the ASF
> >> projects
> >> have crappy documentation as a whole. I totally disagree with that.
> Here’s
> >> some examples: Tika, Nutch, Solr/Lucene, Subversion, HTTPD, Spark,
> Hadoop,
> >> Maven, I could easily go on.
> >>
> >> A project that has been around as long as *Apache* (note I keep putting
> >> *Apache* in front of the project name too - something I don’t see all
> too
> >> often so far and something you should get used to) Cassandra should know
> >> better. This isn’t a new Incubator project.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> You make mention, several times, of the community, and in this case the
> >>> community has decided that the best source of documentation is the one
> >> that
> >>> has had a company put financial investment into it.  You can't expect a
> >>> community of unpaid volunteers to be able to coordinate and contribute
> >>> something of that high quality.
> >>
> >> Yes, I can. And yes, we do. That’s what we do at the ASF. It’s worked
> >> for many, many years, before, Apache Cassandra. It will work long after
> >> it too.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Full disclosure, I am *not* on the PMC, nor am I an employee of
> DataStax
> >> or
> >>> any other company that provides support for an open source project. I
> am a
> >>> member of the community that sees the highest probability of success of
> >>> this project being that the PMC supports the development of the core
> >>> product while the ancillary pieces like documentation and drivers get
> >>> supported by those who are paid to support it.  Because lets all face
> the
> >>> facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I
> have
> >>> done both for this project.
> >>
> >> Plenty of people are paid to support OSS software, even OSS software at
> the
> >> ASF. But we must be diligent to wear our $dayjob hats, in contrast to
> the
> >> ASF hats, and to do what’s right for the effort at Apache, since in
> cases
> >> such as this, it is the *Apache* project, its community, and its
> license,
> >> that are friendly to downstream users (even companies).
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Suffice it to say, that in my opinion, these "companies" that you seem
> to
> >>> be trying so hard to vilify are the future of projects like this. They
> >> fill
> >>> the gap that the ASF leaves with its volunteer based model.
> >>>
> >>> Also, to address your thinly veiled and pointed comments as of late.
> It
> >>> seems you have already made up your mind about DataStax and are
> continuing
> >>> in an effort to prove your point.  Doing this in a public manner is
> toxic
> >>> for the community and will do nothing more than to divide it and risk
> >>> failure of the project.  I suggest you confer with the PMC and the
> company
> >>> *privately* to determine what is best for the project and ultimately
> the
> >>> community.
> >>
> >> This statement above, sadly, indicates how broken the governance of
> >> this project is. 99% of all discussion in the ASF is public. The only
> >> discussion in private is that adding new PMC members and/or committers.
> >> Would have been nice for someone long long long before me, to tell you
> >> that.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> -Russell Bradberry
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> >>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Everyone,
> >>>>
> >>>> While this may be a current great source of documentation on
> >>>> Cassandra, and while it exists externally, the PMC should be
> >>>> be promoting (and hopefully ensuring) that the source of documentation
> >>>> for Apache Cassandra is here at the ASF.
> >>>>
> >>>> I’m happy to be corrected that that is the case, and/or that
> >>>> I’ve missed something, but the first reply to questions like
> >>>> this from newbies shouldn’t be to point to an external website.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Chris
> >>>>
> >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >>>> Chief Architect
> >>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >>>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
> >>>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >>>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
> >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 6/11/16, 8:54 AM, "Bhuvan Rawal" <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Deepak,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can try Datastax Docs, they are most extensive and updated
> >>>>> documentation available.
> >>>>> As Cassandra is a fast developing technology I wonder if there is a
> >> Book
> >>>> in
> >>>>> the market which covers latest features like Materialized Views/ SASI
> >>>> Index
> >>>>> or new SSTable Format. I believe the best starting point would be the
> >>>>> Academy Tutorials and further Planet Cassandra - A week in Cassandra
> >>>> series
> >>>>> provides good overview of blogs and developments by Cassandra
> >> Evangelists.
> >>>>> It also provides link of top blogs which help understand internal
> >> working
> >>>>> of the Database.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However if you still feel the need, you may refer to books, here are
> >> some
> >>>>> that I know of -
> >>>>> Beginning Apache Cassandra Development - Vivek Mishra - 2014 - Link
> >>>>> <
> >>>>
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Apache-Cassandra-Development-Mishra/dp/1484201434
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cassandra Data Modeling and Analysis - 2014 C.Y. Kan - Link
> >>>>> <
> >>>>
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Data-Modeling-Analysis-C-Y/dp/1783988886/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659906&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+data+modeling+and+analysis
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mastering Apache Cassandra - Second Edition - March 26 2015 - Link
> >>>>> <
> >>>>
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784392618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1484201434&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=YVM1QBXHKAFK18J1XBAC
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cassandra Design Patterns - 2015 - Link
> >>>>> <
> >>>>
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Design-Patterns-Rajanarayanan-Thottuvaikkatumana/dp/178528570X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659937&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+design+patterns
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cassandra High Availability - 2014 - Link
> >>>>> <
> >>>>
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-High-Availability-Robbie-Strickland/dp/1783989122/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Learning Apache Cassandra - Manage Fault Tolerant and Scalable
> >> Real-Time
> >>>>> Data - 2015 - Link
> >>>>> <
> >>>>
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Apache-Cassandra-Tolerant-Real-Time/dp/1783989203/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-3&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best Regards,
> >>>>> Bhuvan
> >>>>> Datastax Certified Architect
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Deepak Goel <de...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hey
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am a newbie.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank You
> >>>>>> Deepak
> >>>>>>   --
> >>>>>> Keigu
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Deepak
> >>>>>> 73500 12833
> >>>>>> www.simtree.net, deepak@simtree.net
> >>>>>> deicool@gmail.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/deicool
> >>>>>> Skype: thumsupdeicool
> >>>>>> Google talk: deicool
> >>>>>> Blog: http://loveandfearless.wordpress.com
> >>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/deicool
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Contribute to the world, environment and more :
> >>>>>> http://www.gridrepublic.org
> >>>>>> "
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
>

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by Michael Kjellman <mk...@internalcircle.com>.

Bhuvan,

You didn't disrespect anyone, so please don't apologize! Appreciate your positive and helpful comment for the OP :) 

best,
kjellman

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Bhuvan Rawal <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Matt,
> 
> I suggested the resources keeping in mind the ease with which one can
> learn. My idea was not to disrespect Apache or community in any form, it
> was just to facilitate learning of a Newbie.
> While having a good wiki would be amazing and I believe we all agree on
> this Thread that current Documentation has a lot of scope for improvement.
> And I'm completely willing to contribute in whatever way possible to the
> docs and getting it reviewed.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Bhuvan
> 
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Eric Evans <jo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
>> <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>> However also see that besides the current documentation, there needs to
>> be
>>> a roadmap for making Apache Cassandra and *its* documentation (not
>> *DataStax’s*)
>>> up to par for a basic user to build, deploy and run Cassandra. I don’t
>> think that’s
>>> the current case, is it?
>> 
>> There is CASSANDRA-8700
>> (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-8700), which is a
>> step in this direction I hope.
>> 
>> One concern I do have though is that changing the tech used to
>> author/publish documentation won't in itself be enough to get good
>> docs.  In fact, moving the docs in-tree raises the barrier to
>> contribution in the sense that instead of mashing 'Edit', you have to
>> put together a patch and have it reviewed.
>> 
>> That said, I also think that we've historically set the bar way too
>> high to committer/PMC, and that this may be an opportunity to change
>> that; There ought to be a path to the PMC for documentation authors
>> and translators (and this is typical in other projects).  So, I will
>> personally do my best to set aside some time each week to review and
>> merge documentation changes, and to champion regular doc contributors
>> for committership.  Hopefully there are others willing to do the same!
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Eric Evans
>> john.eric.evans@gmail.com
>>

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by Bhuvan Rawal <bh...@gmail.com>.

Hi Matt,

I suggested the resources keeping in mind the ease with which one can
learn. My idea was not to disrespect Apache or community in any form, it
was just to facilitate learning of a Newbie.
While having a good wiki would be amazing and I believe we all agree on
this Thread that current Documentation has a lot of scope for improvement.
And I'm completely willing to contribute in whatever way possible to the
docs and getting it reviewed.

Best Regards,
Bhuvan

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Eric Evans <jo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
> <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > However also see that besides the current documentation, there needs to
> be
> > a roadmap for making Apache Cassandra and *its* documentation (not
> *DataStax’s*)
> > up to par for a basic user to build, deploy and run Cassandra. I don’t
> think that’s
> > the current case, is it?
>
> There is CASSANDRA-8700
> (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-8700), which is a
> step in this direction I hope.
>
> One concern I do have though is that changing the tech used to
> author/publish documentation won't in itself be enough to get good
> docs.  In fact, moving the docs in-tree raises the barrier to
> contribution in the sense that instead of mashing 'Edit', you have to
> put together a patch and have it reviewed.
>
> That said, I also think that we've historically set the bar way too
> high to committer/PMC, and that this may be an opportunity to change
> that; There ought to be a path to the PMC for documentation authors
> and translators (and this is typical in other projects).  So, I will
> personally do my best to set aside some time each week to review and
> merge documentation changes, and to champion regular doc contributors
> for committership.  Hopefully there are others willing to do the same!
>
>
> --
> Eric Evans
> john.eric.evans@gmail.com
>

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by Eric Evans <jo...@gmail.com>.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
<ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> However also see that besides the current documentation, there needs to be
> a roadmap for making Apache Cassandra and *its* documentation (not *DataStax’s*)
> up to par for a basic user to build, deploy and run Cassandra. I don’t think that’s
> the current case, is it?

There is CASSANDRA-8700
(https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-8700), which is a
step in this direction I hope.

One concern I do have though is that changing the tech used to
author/publish documentation won't in itself be enough to get good
docs.  In fact, moving the docs in-tree raises the barrier to
contribution in the sense that instead of mashing 'Edit', you have to
put together a patch and have it reviewed.

That said, I also think that we've historically set the bar way too
high to committer/PMC, and that this may be an opportunity to change
that; There ought to be a path to the PMC for documentation authors
and translators (and this is typical in other projects).  So, I will
personally do my best to set aside some time each week to review and
merge documentation changes, and to champion regular doc contributors
for committership.  Hopefully there are others willing to do the same!

-- 
Eric Evans
john.eric.evans@gmail.com

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by Eric Stevens <mi...@gmail.com>.

> Where else to discuss it? It should be constructive, yes. But we are all
> here to learn and grow with Cassandra.  The original question is a good
> one. The direction it took was poor.

Agreed, hijacking unrelated threads is not good netizenry.  There's
obviously a lot of strong opinions here, but we should keep discussions
about overall project health from bleeding into other conversations.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:42 AM Benjamin Lerer <be...@datastax.com>
wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> Thanks for your advice.
>
> However, according to the Apache Way:
>
> " PMCs are expected to follow corporate policies in terms of licensing,
> branding, infrastructure and so on, and are expected to manage their
> projects independently using The Apache Way. PMCs are tasked with all other
> aspects of project management, especially technical direction. "
>
> and according to the Bylaws of The Apache Software Foundation:
>
> "Subject to the direction of the Board of Directors, the chairman of each
> Project Management Committee shall be primarily responsible for project(s)
> managed by such committee, and he or she shall establish rules and
> procedures for the day to day management of project(s) for which the
> committee is responsible."
>
> which appears to me to be exactly what Jonathan is doing.
>
> Concerning your question below:
>
> > However also see that besides the current documentation, there needs to
> be
> > a roadmap for making Apache Cassandra and *its* documentation (not
> *DataStax’s*)
> > up to par for a basic user to build, deploy and run Cassandra. I don’t
> think that’s
> > the current case, is it?
>
> The current documentation is indeed not complete but covers far more than
> the basics.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> > Hi Benjamin,
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/13/16, 6:38 AM, "Benjamin Lerer" <be...@datastax.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Chris,
> > >
> > >Disclaimer: I am a Datastax employee
> > >
> > >It is clear to me that the current official documentation is far from
> > being
> > >enough. That's why I fully support the decision made by Jonathan to do
> our
> > >best to improve it.
> >
> > Just as a small piece of advice - it seems like Jonathan is the “boss” of
> > this
> > project. I’ve spoken with him here and there - he’s a great guy don’t get
> > me
> > wrong - but Apache projects don’t have bosses. He is the chair of the
> > project -
> > that earns him the great glory having to write a board report every month
> > after
> > the project is created, and quarterly thereafter. The chair is expected
> to
> > be
> > the eyes and ears of the project for the board. The project has a
> “Project
> > Management Committee (PMC) or PMC” responsible jointly for stewarding the
> > project. There is also a “Committer” role at the ASF. Some communities
> > define
> > PMC == C. The committer role does not have a binding VOTE on releases of
> > the
> > software and/or on additions of new personnel to the project.
> >
> > The reason I pointed this out and it may have just been me misreading but
> > it sounded like you suggested something like: Jonathan makes decision for
> > the project; you all jump. And I am just saying I hope that’s not the
> case.
> > You all should have equal decision making ability in the project
> especially
> > on the PMC.
> >
> > >
> > >As an Apache Cassandra Committer mostly working on the CQL layer, I know
> > >that we have done our best to keep the CQL documentation up to date
> > >(https://cassandra.apache.org/doc/cql3/CQL-3.0.html). Now, English not
> > >being the native language of some of us, and as we are not technical
> > >writers, I would not really be surprised if some external persons have
> > done
> > >a better job than us.
> > >
> > >I think our goal should be to provide an accurate and reliable
> > >documentation for the project.
> >
> > I would amend the above to add “for the project[at the ASF]”. That’s
> > the thing - as a *first* (and not *second*) though, the ASF project
> > should be getting careful attention and that includes the documentation.
> >
> >
> > > Nevertheless, it seems legitimate to me to
> > >also provide links to external documentations, when people are asking
> for
> > >it, if others did a better job than us.
> >
> > Sure, this happens in some projects from time to time. When there isn’t
> > a perception of control, it is possible to do this, especially if
> > coinciding
> > with the external links there is some roadmap or some plan for actually
> > keeping
> > the ASF documentation up to date. Real data point here - I wrote a book
> > about
> > Apache Tika, Tika in Action. This was done, with frequent updates on
> what’s
> > going on to dev@tika.apache.org. Over time, eventually we worked with
> > Manning
> > Publications to donate the code samples and examples from the book to the
> > Apache
> > Tika project. Much of the book inspiration and examples made it into
> > Apache Tika
> > in parallel to the goings-on outside.
> >
> > In a neutral playing ground it’s sometimes fine to point to external
> > sources.
> > When those external sources usually boil down to a company’s web pages,
> and
> > there is strong perception that company is controlling the project, you
> > can see
> > the dichotomy here.
> >
> > >
> > >The conclusion that we can draw from Buhvan response is that the
> official
> > >documentation is probably currently not good enough as he is pointing to
> > >it. I believe that once we will have solve this problem, people will be
> > >more likely to make a reference to it. Until then, we should not be
> > >surprised if people are not pointing to it.
> >
> > See above.
> >
> > However also see that besides the current documentation, there needs to
> be
> > a roadmap for making Apache Cassandra and *its* documentation (not
> > *DataStax’s*)
> > up to par for a basic user to build, deploy and run Cassandra. I don’t
> > think that’s
> > the current case, is it?
> >
> > Thanks for your email. I am hoping that we can work together to
> > get the project’s documentation (and also its governance) in a
> > better shape.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > Chief Architect
> > Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
> > Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Harmeet,
> > >>
> > >> The dev list is the lifeblood of an Apache project, and
> > >> projects here at the ASF conduct 99% of their business in
> > >> public, not in private. The ASF is a non-profit for the
> > >> public good and we have a tradition of openness and
> > >> transparency.
> > >>
> > >> Even if the business isn’t pleasant some times, it must
> > >> be discussed, in public. The committers and PMC members for
> > >>
> > >> the code base - the name of which is *Apache* Cassandra as
> > >> the project is here at the *Apache Software Foundation* -
> > >> are Apache Software Foundation committers first, when they
> > >> deal or steward the Apache code-base. Even before their
> > >> $dayjobs.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Chris
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 6/11/16, 11:54 PM, "mylisttech@gmail.com" <my...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Dear All,
> > >> >
> > >> >I am user of Cassandra. I am grateful to each of you for providing
> your
> > >> time as committers to the code base for a great product.
> > >> >
> > >> >This is what I wanted to suggest - could you gentlemen not create a
> > group
> > >> email   Id to discuss matters of such importance amongst yourselves.
> > Using
> > >> the dev list I am not sure is the best place. I have been reading
> emails
> > >> where insinuations have being made - if a particular company may high
> > jack
> > >> the code base etc.
> > >> >
> > >> >We are all developers , we love our code. I don't think this is right
> > >> forum to bring things out of this proportion , read wash dirty linen.
> > >> >
> > >> >Pardon me if you think my opinion or inputs are wrong.
> > >> >
> > >> >I am newbie on Cassandra. I use it as an application developer. I
> don't
> > >> have any intention to judge your experiences or thoughts. Just saying
> > this
> > >> could be done in a finer way without most if us getting to know about
> > it.
> > >> >
> > >> >Regards,
> > >> >Harmeet
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:31, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>
> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Looking at that thread, I'm surprised you didn't call Dave out as
> > well,
> > >> >> that attitude did no one any favours.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Because lets all face the
> > >> >>> facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and
> I
> > >> have
> > >> >>> done both for this project.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> That's clearly incorrect, I (and I suspect other people) like
> writing
> > >> docs
> > >> >> because it means people can use your tools in a much easier manner
> > than
> > >> >> looking through the code or unit tests.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Tooling can be a burden but it doesn't excuse not writing docs,
> even
> > if
> > >> it
> > >> >> becomes a PMC type rule for committers to commit Docs for new
> > features
> > >> like
> > >> >> they should be committing unit tests. At least it improves what is
> > >> shipped
> > >> >> with the Apache project in question.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Tom
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Chris Mattmann <
> mattmann@apache.org
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Hi Russell,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> [CC/board@, board members may want to join the
> > >> >>> Apache Cassandra lists for specifics and further
> > >> >>> engagement]
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Multiple things that need to be addressed below, but TL;DR:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> 1. I have asked the Apache Cassandra PMC, and its chair, to
> provide
> > >> >>> a detailed description on how the project *isn’t* controlled by an
> > >> >>> external entity in its next monthly board report. The below
> further
> > >> >>> re-enforces the control. Further, it re-enforces the vitriol and
> > >> >>> name calling attitude when questioned and when someone suggests
> > >> >>> pointing to the Apache documentation and making it better as a
> first
> > >> >>> step. I plan on making it very loudly known at our next board
> > meeting
> > >> >>> that something is awry. CC/board@ ahead of time on that.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> 2. You don’t seem to understand Apache. This is unfortunate.  I
> > >> >>> went to go look you up and see if you are a PMC member for Apache
> > >> >>> Cassandra. Funny enough, the main page doesn’t even link to the
> PMC
> > >> >>> (I couldn’t find a direct link). This isn’t even correct with
> > respect
> > >> >>> to Apache branding guidelines here at the ASF. Shane, would you
> > >> >>> like to comment here? For an FYI to everyone, see:
> > >> >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> After a Google Search, I found this page:
> > >> >>> https://wiki.apache.org/cassandra/Committers
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> That looks way out of date. Luckily there is the
> project.apache.org
> > >> >>> ASF page: https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?cassandra
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Which indicates you aren’t a committer or PMC member of the
> project.
> > >> >>> This is unfortunate. If you wrote a book for projects I work on, I
> > >> >>> would have hopefully long before and along the way got involved in
> > >> >>> the community, and encouraged you to contribute to the *core
> effort
> > >> >>> here at the ASF* and took you on the path towards becoming a PMC
> > >> >>> member in the *Apache project that is the core effort*.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> In short, I can see why you don’t understand Apache. It’s likely
> > >> >>> due to the fact that the Apache Cassandra PMC doesn’t seem to get
> > >> >>> it either. If they did, they would have worked to explain it to
> > >> >>> you.  More on that later.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> 3. The fact that you think “the companies that I try to [sic]
> vilify
> > >> >>> are the *future* of projects like this” isn’t just a statement
> that
> > >> >>> indicates you don’t get Apache. That someone in the community
> (which
> > >> >>> includes you even though you aren’t a committer or on the PMC)
> would
> > >> >>> think the “companies” are the “future” of any ASF project is just
> > >> >>> way way bad. Like way bad. Off the rails bad. We are *individuals*
> > >> >>> here, not companies.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> 4. You state you have wrote drivers and documentation for this
> > >> >>> project.  Yet you aren’t a PMC member or committer at the ASF.
> Ever
> > >> >>> scratch your head and wonder why? By itself, again, sometimes
> there
> > >> >>> are reasons for this. Taken in context, there is something REALLY
> > >> >>> wrong here.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Now, more specific replies inline below. Jonathan and PMC members
> > >> >>> for Apache Cassandra. Please take time to explain in your report
> > >> >>> what’s going on. I’m hopeful with mentorship and guidance and time
> > >> >>> this can be addressed but right now, not really happy with what
> > >> >>> I’m seeing.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> **********
> > >> >>> Specific comments
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On 6/11/16, 9:48 AM, "Russell Bradberry" <rb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> I respectfully disagree.  "Newbies" should be pointed in the
> > direction
> > >> >>> that
> > >> >>>> will ensure the highest possibility of their success with the
> > product.
> > >> >>>> This is the best decision for the project, regardless of where
> the
> > >> >>>> documentation may reside.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> While I agree with pointing Newbies to the point where
> > >> >>> there is the best documentation - I don’t agree that place
> > >> >>> should be outside of the Apache project.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> As one of the authors of an early book on Cassandra, the reason
> we
> > >> wrote
> > >> >>> it
> > >> >>>> was because the ASF documentation was abysmal.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> What did you do to try and counteract this? Did you attempt to
> > submit
> > >> >>> documentation patches and/or to submit documentation that would
> > address
> > >> >>> that?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> Now I am happy to say that
> > >> >>>> the book I wrote is obsolete, not just because it was written
> > against
> > >> an
> > >> >>>> early version of Cassandra, but because the external
> documentation
> > is
> > >> so
> > >> >>>> thorough the need for a book to be written in no longer present.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I had no problem with your statement until you put “external”
> before
> > >> the
> > >> >>> word “documentation”.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> If the ASF and the PMC want to promote internal documentation,
> > then a
> > >> >>>> serious amount of time and effort needs to be put into the
> > >> documentation.
> > >> >>>> This goes for every project in the ASF. The current state of
> > >> documentation
> > >> >>>> in any of the Apache projects sub-standard at best.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> This, unfortunately, is a strawman. I tell you that ASF projects
> > should
> > >> >>> have
> > >> >>> the documentation that is required to run and should be the
> *first*
> > >> place
> > >> >>> you point users to for your documentation. You respond, well the
> ASF
> > >> >>> projects
> > >> >>> have crappy documentation as a whole. I totally disagree with
> that.
> > >> Here’s
> > >> >>> some examples: Tika, Nutch, Solr/Lucene, Subversion, HTTPD, Spark,
> > >> Hadoop,
> > >> >>> Maven, I could easily go on.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> A project that has been around as long as *Apache* (note I keep
> > putting
> > >> >>> *Apache* in front of the project name too - something I don’t see
> > all
> > >> too
> > >> >>> often so far and something you should get used to) Cassandra
> should
> > >> know
> > >> >>> better. This isn’t a new Incubator project.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> You make mention, several times, of the community, and in this
> case
> > >> the
> > >> >>>> community has decided that the best source of documentation is
> the
> > one
> > >> >>> that
> > >> >>>> has had a company put financial investment into it.  You can't
> > expect
> > >> a
> > >> >>>> community of unpaid volunteers to be able to coordinate and
> > contribute
> > >> >>>> something of that high quality.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Yes, I can. And yes, we do. That’s what we do at the ASF. It’s
> > worked
> > >> >>> for many, many years, before, Apache Cassandra. It will work long
> > after
> > >> >>> it too.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Full disclosure, I am *not* on the PMC, nor am I an employee of
> > >> DataStax
> > >> >>> or
> > >> >>>> any other company that provides support for an open source
> > project. I
> > >> am a
> > >> >>>> member of the community that sees the highest probability of
> > success
> > >> of
> > >> >>>> this project being that the PMC supports the development of the
> > core
> > >> >>>> product while the ancillary pieces like documentation and drivers
> > get
> > >> >>>> supported by those who are paid to support it.  Because lets all
> > face
> > >> the
> > >> >>>> facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation,
> and I
> > >> have
> > >> >>>> done both for this project.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Plenty of people are paid to support OSS software, even OSS
> software
> > >> at the
> > >> >>> ASF. But we must be diligent to wear our $dayjob hats, in contrast
> > to
> > >> the
> > >> >>> ASF hats, and to do what’s right for the effort at Apache, since
> in
> > >> cases
> > >> >>> such as this, it is the *Apache* project, its community, and its
> > >> license,
> > >> >>> that are friendly to downstream users (even companies).
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Suffice it to say, that in my opinion, these "companies" that you
> > >> seem to
> > >> >>>> be trying so hard to vilify are the future of projects like this.
> > They
> > >> >>> fill
> > >> >>>> the gap that the ASF leaves with its volunteer based model.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Also, to address your thinly veiled and pointed comments as of
> > late.
> > >> It
> > >> >>>> seems you have already made up your mind about DataStax and are
> > >> continuing
> > >> >>>> in an effort to prove your point.  Doing this in a public manner
> is
> > >> toxic
> > >> >>>> for the community and will do nothing more than to divide it and
> > risk
> > >> >>>> failure of the project.  I suggest you confer with the PMC and
> the
> > >> company
> > >> >>>> *privately* to determine what is best for the project and
> > ultimately
> > >> the
> > >> >>>> community.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> This statement above, sadly, indicates how broken the governance
> of
> > >> >>> this project is. 99% of all discussion in the ASF is public. The
> > only
> > >> >>> discussion in private is that adding new PMC members and/or
> > committers.
> > >> >>> Would have been nice for someone long long long before me, to tell
> > you
> > >> >>> that.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Cheers,
> > >> >>> Chris
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Best,
> > >> >>>> -Russell Bradberry
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > >> >>>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>> Hi Everyone,
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> While this may be a current great source of documentation on
> > >> >>>>> Cassandra, and while it exists externally, the PMC should be
> > >> >>>>> be promoting (and hopefully ensuring) that the source of
> > >> documentation
> > >> >>>>> for Apache Cassandra is here at the ASF.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> I’m happy to be corrected that that is the case, and/or that
> > >> >>>>> I’ve missed something, but the first reply to questions like
> > >> >>>>> this from newbies shouldn’t be to point to an external website.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Cheers,
> > >> >>>>> Chris
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >> >>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > >> >>>>> Chief Architect
> > >> >>>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > >> >>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > >> >>>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > >> >>>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > >> >>>>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > >> >>>>>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >> >>>>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
> > >> >>>>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > >> >>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > >> >>>>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
> > >> >>>>>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> On 6/11/16, 8:54 AM, "Bhuvan Rawal" <bh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Hi Deepak,
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> You can try Datastax Docs, they are most extensive and updated
> > >> >>>>>> documentation available.
> > >> >>>>>> As Cassandra is a fast developing technology I wonder if there
> > is a
> > >> >>> Book
> > >> >>>>> in
> > >> >>>>>> the market which covers latest features like Materialized
> Views/
> > >> SASI
> > >> >>>>> Index
> > >> >>>>>> or new SSTable Format. I believe the best starting point would
> be
> > >> the
> > >> >>>>>> Academy Tutorials and further Planet Cassandra - A week in
> > Cassandra
> > >> >>>>> series
> > >> >>>>>> provides good overview of blogs and developments by Cassandra
> > >> >>> Evangelists.
> > >> >>>>>> It also provides link of top blogs which help understand
> internal
> > >> >>> working
> > >> >>>>>> of the Database.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> However if you still feel the need, you may refer to books,
> here
> > are
> > >> >>> some
> > >> >>>>>> that I know of -
> > >> >>>>>> Beginning Apache Cassandra Development - Vivek Mishra - 2014 -
> > Link
> > >> >>>>>> <
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Apache-Cassandra-Development-Mishra/dp/1484201434
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Cassandra Data Modeling and Analysis - 2014 C.Y. Kan - Link
> > >> >>>>>> <
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Data-Modeling-Analysis-C-Y/dp/1783988886/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659906&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+data+modeling+and+analysis
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Mastering Apache Cassandra - Second Edition - March 26 2015 -
> > Link
> > >> >>>>>> <
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784392618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1484201434&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=YVM1QBXHKAFK18J1XBAC
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Cassandra Design Patterns - 2015 - Link
> > >> >>>>>> <
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Design-Patterns-Rajanarayanan-Thottuvaikkatumana/dp/178528570X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659937&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+design+patterns
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Cassandra High Availability - 2014 - Link
> > >> >>>>>> <
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-High-Availability-Robbie-Strickland/dp/1783989122/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Learning Apache Cassandra - Manage Fault Tolerant and Scalable
> > >> >>> Real-Time
> > >> >>>>>> Data - 2015 - Link
> > >> >>>>>> <
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Apache-Cassandra-Tolerant-Real-Time/dp/1783989203/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-3&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Best Regards,
> > >> >>>>>> Bhuvan
> > >> >>>>>> Datastax Certified Architect
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Deepak Goel <
> deicool@gmail.com>
> > >> >>> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> Hey
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> I am a newbie.
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> Thank You
> > >> >>>>>>> Deepak
> > >> >>>>>>>   --
> > >> >>>>>>> Keigu
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> Deepak
> > >> >>>>>>> 73500 12833
> > >> >>>>>>> www.simtree.net, deepak@simtree.net
> > >> >>>>>>> deicool@gmail.com
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/deicool
> > >> >>>>>>> Skype: thumsupdeicool
> > >> >>>>>>> Google talk: deicool
> > >> >>>>>>> Blog: http://loveandfearless.wordpress.com
> > >> >>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/deicool
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> "Contribute to the world, environment and more :
> > >> >>>>>>> http://www.gridrepublic.org
> > >> >>>>>>> "
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by Benjamin Lerer <be...@datastax.com>.

Hi Chris,

Thanks for your advice.

However, according to the Apache Way:

" PMCs are expected to follow corporate policies in terms of licensing,
branding, infrastructure and so on, and are expected to manage their
projects independently using The Apache Way. PMCs are tasked with all other
aspects of project management, especially technical direction. "

and according to the Bylaws of The Apache Software Foundation:

"Subject to the direction of the Board of Directors, the chairman of each
Project Management Committee shall be primarily responsible for project(s)
managed by such committee, and he or she shall establish rules and
procedures for the day to day management of project(s) for which the
committee is responsible."

which appears to me to be exactly what Jonathan is doing.

Concerning your question below:

> However also see that besides the current documentation, there needs to be
> a roadmap for making Apache Cassandra and *its* documentation (not
*DataStax’s*)
> up to par for a basic user to build, deploy and run Cassandra. I don’t
think that’s
> the current case, is it?

The current documentation is indeed not complete but covers far more than
the basics.


On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

> Hi Benjamin,
>
>
>
> On 6/13/16, 6:38 AM, "Benjamin Lerer" <be...@datastax.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi Chris,
> >
> >Disclaimer: I am a Datastax employee
> >
> >It is clear to me that the current official documentation is far from
> being
> >enough. That's why I fully support the decision made by Jonathan to do our
> >best to improve it.
>
> Just as a small piece of advice - it seems like Jonathan is the “boss” of
> this
> project. I’ve spoken with him here and there - he’s a great guy don’t get
> me
> wrong - but Apache projects don’t have bosses. He is the chair of the
> project -
> that earns him the great glory having to write a board report every month
> after
> the project is created, and quarterly thereafter. The chair is expected to
> be
> the eyes and ears of the project for the board. The project has a “Project
> Management Committee (PMC) or PMC” responsible jointly for stewarding the
> project. There is also a “Committer” role at the ASF. Some communities
> define
> PMC == C. The committer role does not have a binding VOTE on releases of
> the
> software and/or on additions of new personnel to the project.
>
> The reason I pointed this out and it may have just been me misreading but
> it sounded like you suggested something like: Jonathan makes decision for
> the project; you all jump. And I am just saying I hope that’s not the case.
> You all should have equal decision making ability in the project especially
> on the PMC.
>
> >
> >As an Apache Cassandra Committer mostly working on the CQL layer, I know
> >that we have done our best to keep the CQL documentation up to date
> >(https://cassandra.apache.org/doc/cql3/CQL-3.0.html). Now, English not
> >being the native language of some of us, and as we are not technical
> >writers, I would not really be surprised if some external persons have
> done
> >a better job than us.
> >
> >I think our goal should be to provide an accurate and reliable
> >documentation for the project.
>
> I would amend the above to add “for the project[at the ASF]”. That’s
> the thing - as a *first* (and not *second*) though, the ASF project
> should be getting careful attention and that includes the documentation.
>
>
> > Nevertheless, it seems legitimate to me to
> >also provide links to external documentations, when people are asking for
> >it, if others did a better job than us.
>
> Sure, this happens in some projects from time to time. When there isn’t
> a perception of control, it is possible to do this, especially if
> coinciding
> with the external links there is some roadmap or some plan for actually
> keeping
> the ASF documentation up to date. Real data point here - I wrote a book
> about
> Apache Tika, Tika in Action. This was done, with frequent updates on what’s
> going on to dev@tika.apache.org. Over time, eventually we worked with
> Manning
> Publications to donate the code samples and examples from the book to the
> Apache
> Tika project. Much of the book inspiration and examples made it into
> Apache Tika
> in parallel to the goings-on outside.
>
> In a neutral playing ground it’s sometimes fine to point to external
> sources.
> When those external sources usually boil down to a company’s web pages, and
> there is strong perception that company is controlling the project, you
> can see
> the dichotomy here.
>
> >
> >The conclusion that we can draw from Buhvan response is that the official
> >documentation is probably currently not good enough as he is pointing to
> >it. I believe that once we will have solve this problem, people will be
> >more likely to make a reference to it. Until then, we should not be
> >surprised if people are not pointing to it.
>
> See above.
>
> However also see that besides the current documentation, there needs to be
> a roadmap for making Apache Cassandra and *its* documentation (not
> *DataStax’s*)
> up to par for a basic user to build, deploy and run Cassandra. I don’t
> think that’s
> the current case, is it?
>
> Thanks for your email. I am hoping that we can work together to
> get the project’s documentation (and also its governance) in a
> better shape.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
> >
> >On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Harmeet,
> >>
> >> The dev list is the lifeblood of an Apache project, and
> >> projects here at the ASF conduct 99% of their business in
> >> public, not in private. The ASF is a non-profit for the
> >> public good and we have a tradition of openness and
> >> transparency.
> >>
> >> Even if the business isn’t pleasant some times, it must
> >> be discussed, in public. The committers and PMC members for
> >>
> >> the code base - the name of which is *Apache* Cassandra as
> >> the project is here at the *Apache Software Foundation* -
> >> are Apache Software Foundation committers first, when they
> >> deal or steward the Apache code-base. Even before their
> >> $dayjobs.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/11/16, 11:54 PM, "mylisttech@gmail.com" <my...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Dear All,
> >> >
> >> >I am user of Cassandra. I am grateful to each of you for providing your
> >> time as committers to the code base for a great product.
> >> >
> >> >This is what I wanted to suggest - could you gentlemen not create a
> group
> >> email   Id to discuss matters of such importance amongst yourselves.
> Using
> >> the dev list I am not sure is the best place. I have been reading emails
> >> where insinuations have being made - if a particular company may high
> jack
> >> the code base etc.
> >> >
> >> >We are all developers , we love our code. I don't think this is right
> >> forum to bring things out of this proportion , read wash dirty linen.
> >> >
> >> >Pardon me if you think my opinion or inputs are wrong.
> >> >
> >> >I am newbie on Cassandra. I use it as an application developer. I don't
> >> have any intention to judge your experiences or thoughts. Just saying
> this
> >> could be done in a finer way without most if us getting to know about
> it.
> >> >
> >> >Regards,
> >> >Harmeet
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:31, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Looking at that thread, I'm surprised you didn't call Dave out as
> well,
> >> >> that attitude did no one any favours.
> >> >>
> >> >>> Because lets all face the
> >> >>> facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I
> >> have
> >> >>> done both for this project.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's clearly incorrect, I (and I suspect other people) like writing
> >> docs
> >> >> because it means people can use your tools in a much easier manner
> than
> >> >> looking through the code or unit tests.
> >> >>
> >> >> Tooling can be a burden but it doesn't excuse not writing docs, even
> if
> >> it
> >> >> becomes a PMC type rule for committers to commit Docs for new
> features
> >> like
> >> >> they should be committing unit tests. At least it improves what is
> >> shipped
> >> >> with the Apache project in question.
> >> >>
> >> >> Tom
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Chris Mattmann <mattmann@apache.org
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hi Russell,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> [CC/board@, board members may want to join the
> >> >>> Apache Cassandra lists for specifics and further
> >> >>> engagement]
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Multiple things that need to be addressed below, but TL;DR:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 1. I have asked the Apache Cassandra PMC, and its chair, to provide
> >> >>> a detailed description on how the project *isn’t* controlled by an
> >> >>> external entity in its next monthly board report. The below further
> >> >>> re-enforces the control. Further, it re-enforces the vitriol and
> >> >>> name calling attitude when questioned and when someone suggests
> >> >>> pointing to the Apache documentation and making it better as a first
> >> >>> step. I plan on making it very loudly known at our next board
> meeting
> >> >>> that something is awry. CC/board@ ahead of time on that.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2. You don’t seem to understand Apache. This is unfortunate.  I
> >> >>> went to go look you up and see if you are a PMC member for Apache
> >> >>> Cassandra. Funny enough, the main page doesn’t even link to the PMC
> >> >>> (I couldn’t find a direct link). This isn’t even correct with
> respect
> >> >>> to Apache branding guidelines here at the ASF. Shane, would you
> >> >>> like to comment here? For an FYI to everyone, see:
> >> >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
> >> >>>
> >> >>> After a Google Search, I found this page:
> >> >>> https://wiki.apache.org/cassandra/Committers
> >> >>>
> >> >>> That looks way out of date. Luckily there is the project.apache.org
> >> >>> ASF page: https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?cassandra
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Which indicates you aren’t a committer or PMC member of the project.
> >> >>> This is unfortunate. If you wrote a book for projects I work on, I
> >> >>> would have hopefully long before and along the way got involved in
> >> >>> the community, and encouraged you to contribute to the *core effort
> >> >>> here at the ASF* and took you on the path towards becoming a PMC
> >> >>> member in the *Apache project that is the core effort*.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In short, I can see why you don’t understand Apache. It’s likely
> >> >>> due to the fact that the Apache Cassandra PMC doesn’t seem to get
> >> >>> it either. If they did, they would have worked to explain it to
> >> >>> you.  More on that later.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 3. The fact that you think “the companies that I try to [sic] vilify
> >> >>> are the *future* of projects like this” isn’t just a statement that
> >> >>> indicates you don’t get Apache. That someone in the community (which
> >> >>> includes you even though you aren’t a committer or on the PMC) would
> >> >>> think the “companies” are the “future” of any ASF project is just
> >> >>> way way bad. Like way bad. Off the rails bad. We are *individuals*
> >> >>> here, not companies.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 4. You state you have wrote drivers and documentation for this
> >> >>> project.  Yet you aren’t a PMC member or committer at the ASF. Ever
> >> >>> scratch your head and wonder why? By itself, again, sometimes there
> >> >>> are reasons for this. Taken in context, there is something REALLY
> >> >>> wrong here.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Now, more specific replies inline below. Jonathan and PMC members
> >> >>> for Apache Cassandra. Please take time to explain in your report
> >> >>> what’s going on. I’m hopeful with mentorship and guidance and time
> >> >>> this can be addressed but right now, not really happy with what
> >> >>> I’m seeing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> **********
> >> >>> Specific comments
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 6/11/16, 9:48 AM, "Russell Bradberry" <rb...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I respectfully disagree.  "Newbies" should be pointed in the
> direction
> >> >>> that
> >> >>>> will ensure the highest possibility of their success with the
> product.
> >> >>>> This is the best decision for the project, regardless of where the
> >> >>>> documentation may reside.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> While I agree with pointing Newbies to the point where
> >> >>> there is the best documentation - I don’t agree that place
> >> >>> should be outside of the Apache project.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> As one of the authors of an early book on Cassandra, the reason we
> >> wrote
> >> >>> it
> >> >>>> was because the ASF documentation was abysmal.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> What did you do to try and counteract this? Did you attempt to
> submit
> >> >>> documentation patches and/or to submit documentation that would
> address
> >> >>> that?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Now I am happy to say that
> >> >>>> the book I wrote is obsolete, not just because it was written
> against
> >> an
> >> >>>> early version of Cassandra, but because the external documentation
> is
> >> so
> >> >>>> thorough the need for a book to be written in no longer present.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I had no problem with your statement until you put “external” before
> >> the
> >> >>> word “documentation”.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> If the ASF and the PMC want to promote internal documentation,
> then a
> >> >>>> serious amount of time and effort needs to be put into the
> >> documentation.
> >> >>>> This goes for every project in the ASF. The current state of
> >> documentation
> >> >>>> in any of the Apache projects sub-standard at best.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This, unfortunately, is a strawman. I tell you that ASF projects
> should
> >> >>> have
> >> >>> the documentation that is required to run and should be the *first*
> >> place
> >> >>> you point users to for your documentation. You respond, well the ASF
> >> >>> projects
> >> >>> have crappy documentation as a whole. I totally disagree with that.
> >> Here’s
> >> >>> some examples: Tika, Nutch, Solr/Lucene, Subversion, HTTPD, Spark,
> >> Hadoop,
> >> >>> Maven, I could easily go on.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> A project that has been around as long as *Apache* (note I keep
> putting
> >> >>> *Apache* in front of the project name too - something I don’t see
> all
> >> too
> >> >>> often so far and something you should get used to) Cassandra should
> >> know
> >> >>> better. This isn’t a new Incubator project.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> You make mention, several times, of the community, and in this case
> >> the
> >> >>>> community has decided that the best source of documentation is the
> one
> >> >>> that
> >> >>>> has had a company put financial investment into it.  You can't
> expect
> >> a
> >> >>>> community of unpaid volunteers to be able to coordinate and
> contribute
> >> >>>> something of that high quality.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Yes, I can. And yes, we do. That’s what we do at the ASF. It’s
> worked
> >> >>> for many, many years, before, Apache Cassandra. It will work long
> after
> >> >>> it too.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Full disclosure, I am *not* on the PMC, nor am I an employee of
> >> DataStax
> >> >>> or
> >> >>>> any other company that provides support for an open source
> project. I
> >> am a
> >> >>>> member of the community that sees the highest probability of
> success
> >> of
> >> >>>> this project being that the PMC supports the development of the
> core
> >> >>>> product while the ancillary pieces like documentation and drivers
> get
> >> >>>> supported by those who are paid to support it.  Because lets all
> face
> >> the
> >> >>>> facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I
> >> have
> >> >>>> done both for this project.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Plenty of people are paid to support OSS software, even OSS software
> >> at the
> >> >>> ASF. But we must be diligent to wear our $dayjob hats, in contrast
> to
> >> the
> >> >>> ASF hats, and to do what’s right for the effort at Apache, since in
> >> cases
> >> >>> such as this, it is the *Apache* project, its community, and its
> >> license,
> >> >>> that are friendly to downstream users (even companies).
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Suffice it to say, that in my opinion, these "companies" that you
> >> seem to
> >> >>>> be trying so hard to vilify are the future of projects like this.
> They
> >> >>> fill
> >> >>>> the gap that the ASF leaves with its volunteer based model.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Also, to address your thinly veiled and pointed comments as of
> late.
> >> It
> >> >>>> seems you have already made up your mind about DataStax and are
> >> continuing
> >> >>>> in an effort to prove your point.  Doing this in a public manner is
> >> toxic
> >> >>>> for the community and will do nothing more than to divide it and
> risk
> >> >>>> failure of the project.  I suggest you confer with the PMC and the
> >> company
> >> >>>> *privately* to determine what is best for the project and
> ultimately
> >> the
> >> >>>> community.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This statement above, sadly, indicates how broken the governance of
> >> >>> this project is. 99% of all discussion in the ASF is public. The
> only
> >> >>> discussion in private is that adding new PMC members and/or
> committers.
> >> >>> Would have been nice for someone long long long before me, to tell
> you
> >> >>> that.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Cheers,
> >> >>> Chris
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Best,
> >> >>>> -Russell Bradberry
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> >> >>>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Hi Everyone,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> While this may be a current great source of documentation on
> >> >>>>> Cassandra, and while it exists externally, the PMC should be
> >> >>>>> be promoting (and hopefully ensuring) that the source of
> >> documentation
> >> >>>>> for Apache Cassandra is here at the ASF.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I’m happy to be corrected that that is the case, and/or that
> >> >>>>> I’ve missed something, but the first reply to questions like
> >> >>>>> this from newbies shouldn’t be to point to an external website.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Cheers,
> >> >>>>> Chris
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >> >>>>> Chief Architect
> >> >>>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >> >>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >> >>>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >> >>>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >> >>>>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >>>>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
> >> >>>>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >> >>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >> >>>>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
> >> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On 6/11/16, 8:54 AM, "Bhuvan Rawal" <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Hi Deepak,
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> You can try Datastax Docs, they are most extensive and updated
> >> >>>>>> documentation available.
> >> >>>>>> As Cassandra is a fast developing technology I wonder if there
> is a
> >> >>> Book
> >> >>>>> in
> >> >>>>>> the market which covers latest features like Materialized Views/
> >> SASI
> >> >>>>> Index
> >> >>>>>> or new SSTable Format. I believe the best starting point would be
> >> the
> >> >>>>>> Academy Tutorials and further Planet Cassandra - A week in
> Cassandra
> >> >>>>> series
> >> >>>>>> provides good overview of blogs and developments by Cassandra
> >> >>> Evangelists.
> >> >>>>>> It also provides link of top blogs which help understand internal
> >> >>> working
> >> >>>>>> of the Database.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> However if you still feel the need, you may refer to books, here
> are
> >> >>> some
> >> >>>>>> that I know of -
> >> >>>>>> Beginning Apache Cassandra Development - Vivek Mishra - 2014 -
> Link
> >> >>>>>> <
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Apache-Cassandra-Development-Mishra/dp/1484201434
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Cassandra Data Modeling and Analysis - 2014 C.Y. Kan - Link
> >> >>>>>> <
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Data-Modeling-Analysis-C-Y/dp/1783988886/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659906&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+data+modeling+and+analysis
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Mastering Apache Cassandra - Second Edition - March 26 2015 -
> Link
> >> >>>>>> <
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784392618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1484201434&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=YVM1QBXHKAFK18J1XBAC
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Cassandra Design Patterns - 2015 - Link
> >> >>>>>> <
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Design-Patterns-Rajanarayanan-Thottuvaikkatumana/dp/178528570X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659937&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+design+patterns
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Cassandra High Availability - 2014 - Link
> >> >>>>>> <
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-High-Availability-Robbie-Strickland/dp/1783989122/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Learning Apache Cassandra - Manage Fault Tolerant and Scalable
> >> >>> Real-Time
> >> >>>>>> Data - 2015 - Link
> >> >>>>>> <
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Apache-Cassandra-Tolerant-Real-Time/dp/1783989203/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-3&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Best Regards,
> >> >>>>>> Bhuvan
> >> >>>>>> Datastax Certified Architect
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Deepak Goel <de...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Hey
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I am a newbie.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Thank You
> >> >>>>>>> Deepak
> >> >>>>>>>   --
> >> >>>>>>> Keigu
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Deepak
> >> >>>>>>> 73500 12833
> >> >>>>>>> www.simtree.net, deepak@simtree.net
> >> >>>>>>> deicool@gmail.com
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/deicool
> >> >>>>>>> Skype: thumsupdeicool
> >> >>>>>>> Google talk: deicool
> >> >>>>>>> Blog: http://loveandfearless.wordpress.com
> >> >>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/deicool
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> "Contribute to the world, environment and more :
> >> >>>>>>> http://www.gridrepublic.org
> >> >>>>>>> "
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> >>
>

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.

Hi Benjamin,



On 6/13/16, 6:38 AM, "Benjamin Lerer" <be...@datastax.com> wrote:

>Hi Chris,
>
>Disclaimer: I am a Datastax employee
>
>It is clear to me that the current official documentation is far from being
>enough. That's why I fully support the decision made by Jonathan to do our
>best to improve it.

Just as a small piece of advice - it seems like Jonathan is the “boss” of this
project. I’ve spoken with him here and there - he’s a great guy don’t get me
wrong - but Apache projects don’t have bosses. He is the chair of the project -
that earns him the great glory having to write a board report every month after
the project is created, and quarterly thereafter. The chair is expected to be
the eyes and ears of the project for the board. The project has a “Project 
Management Committee (PMC) or PMC” responsible jointly for stewarding the
project. There is also a “Committer” role at the ASF. Some communities define
PMC == C. The committer role does not have a binding VOTE on releases of the
software and/or on additions of new personnel to the project.

The reason I pointed this out and it may have just been me misreading but
it sounded like you suggested something like: Jonathan makes decision for
the project; you all jump. And I am just saying I hope that’s not the case.
You all should have equal decision making ability in the project especially
on the PMC.

>
>As an Apache Cassandra Committer mostly working on the CQL layer, I know
>that we have done our best to keep the CQL documentation up to date
>(https://cassandra.apache.org/doc/cql3/CQL-3.0.html). Now, English not
>being the native language of some of us, and as we are not technical
>writers, I would not really be surprised if some external persons have done
>a better job than us.
>
>I think our goal should be to provide an accurate and reliable
>documentation for the project.

I would amend the above to add “for the project[at the ASF]”. That’s 
the thing - as a *first* (and not *second*) though, the ASF project 
should be getting careful attention and that includes the documentation.


> Nevertheless, it seems legitimate to me to
>also provide links to external documentations, when people are asking for
>it, if others did a better job than us.

Sure, this happens in some projects from time to time. When there isn’t
a perception of control, it is possible to do this, especially if coinciding
with the external links there is some roadmap or some plan for actually keeping
the ASF documentation up to date. Real data point here - I wrote a book about
Apache Tika, Tika in Action. This was done, with frequent updates on what’s 
going on to dev@tika.apache.org. Over time, eventually we worked with Manning 
Publications to donate the code samples and examples from the book to the Apache 
Tika project. Much of the book inspiration and examples made it into Apache Tika
in parallel to the goings-on outside.

In a neutral playing ground it’s sometimes fine to point to external sources.
When those external sources usually boil down to a company’s web pages, and
there is strong perception that company is controlling the project, you can see
the dichotomy here.

>
>The conclusion that we can draw from Buhvan response is that the official
>documentation is probably currently not good enough as he is pointing to
>it. I believe that once we will have solve this problem, people will be
>more likely to make a reference to it. Until then, we should not be
>surprised if people are not pointing to it.

See above.

However also see that besides the current documentation, there needs to be
a roadmap for making Apache Cassandra and *its* documentation (not *DataStax’s*)
up to par for a basic user to build, deploy and run Cassandra. I don’t think that’s
the current case, is it?

Thanks for your email. I am hoping that we can work together to
get the project’s documentation (and also its governance) in a
better shape. 

Cheers,
Chris

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++




>
>On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Harmeet,
>>
>> The dev list is the lifeblood of an Apache project, and
>> projects here at the ASF conduct 99% of their business in
>> public, not in private. The ASF is a non-profit for the
>> public good and we have a tradition of openness and
>> transparency.
>>
>> Even if the business isn’t pleasant some times, it must
>> be discussed, in public. The committers and PMC members for
>>
>> the code base - the name of which is *Apache* Cassandra as
>> the project is here at the *Apache Software Foundation* -
>> are Apache Software Foundation committers first, when they
>> deal or steward the Apache code-base. Even before their
>> $dayjobs.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On 6/11/16, 11:54 PM, "mylisttech@gmail.com" <my...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Dear All,
>> >
>> >I am user of Cassandra. I am grateful to each of you for providing your
>> time as committers to the code base for a great product.
>> >
>> >This is what I wanted to suggest - could you gentlemen not create a group
>> email   Id to discuss matters of such importance amongst yourselves. Using
>> the dev list I am not sure is the best place. I have been reading emails
>> where insinuations have being made - if a particular company may high jack
>> the code base etc.
>> >
>> >We are all developers , we love our code. I don't think this is right
>> forum to bring things out of this proportion , read wash dirty linen.
>> >
>> >Pardon me if you think my opinion or inputs are wrong.
>> >
>> >I am newbie on Cassandra. I use it as an application developer. I don't
>> have any intention to judge your experiences or thoughts. Just saying this
>> could be done in a finer way without most if us getting to know about it.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >Harmeet
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:31, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Looking at that thread, I'm surprised you didn't call Dave out as well,
>> >> that attitude did no one any favours.
>> >>
>> >>> Because lets all face the
>> >>> facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I
>> have
>> >>> done both for this project.
>> >>
>> >> That's clearly incorrect, I (and I suspect other people) like writing
>> docs
>> >> because it means people can use your tools in a much easier manner than
>> >> looking through the code or unit tests.
>> >>
>> >> Tooling can be a burden but it doesn't excuse not writing docs, even if
>> it
>> >> becomes a PMC type rule for committers to commit Docs for new features
>> like
>> >> they should be committing unit tests. At least it improves what is
>> shipped
>> >> with the Apache project in question.
>> >>
>> >> Tom
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi Russell,
>> >>>
>> >>> [CC/board@, board members may want to join the
>> >>> Apache Cassandra lists for specifics and further
>> >>> engagement]
>> >>>
>> >>> Multiple things that need to be addressed below, but TL;DR:
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. I have asked the Apache Cassandra PMC, and its chair, to provide
>> >>> a detailed description on how the project *isn’t* controlled by an
>> >>> external entity in its next monthly board report. The below further
>> >>> re-enforces the control. Further, it re-enforces the vitriol and
>> >>> name calling attitude when questioned and when someone suggests
>> >>> pointing to the Apache documentation and making it better as a first
>> >>> step. I plan on making it very loudly known at our next board meeting
>> >>> that something is awry. CC/board@ ahead of time on that.
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. You don’t seem to understand Apache. This is unfortunate.  I
>> >>> went to go look you up and see if you are a PMC member for Apache
>> >>> Cassandra. Funny enough, the main page doesn’t even link to the PMC
>> >>> (I couldn’t find a direct link). This isn’t even correct with respect
>> >>> to Apache branding guidelines here at the ASF. Shane, would you
>> >>> like to comment here? For an FYI to everyone, see:
>> >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
>> >>>
>> >>> After a Google Search, I found this page:
>> >>> https://wiki.apache.org/cassandra/Committers
>> >>>
>> >>> That looks way out of date. Luckily there is the project.apache.org
>> >>> ASF page: https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?cassandra
>> >>>
>> >>> Which indicates you aren’t a committer or PMC member of the project.
>> >>> This is unfortunate. If you wrote a book for projects I work on, I
>> >>> would have hopefully long before and along the way got involved in
>> >>> the community, and encouraged you to contribute to the *core effort
>> >>> here at the ASF* and took you on the path towards becoming a PMC
>> >>> member in the *Apache project that is the core effort*.
>> >>>
>> >>> In short, I can see why you don’t understand Apache. It’s likely
>> >>> due to the fact that the Apache Cassandra PMC doesn’t seem to get
>> >>> it either. If they did, they would have worked to explain it to
>> >>> you.  More on that later.
>> >>>
>> >>> 3. The fact that you think “the companies that I try to [sic] vilify
>> >>> are the *future* of projects like this” isn’t just a statement that
>> >>> indicates you don’t get Apache. That someone in the community (which
>> >>> includes you even though you aren’t a committer or on the PMC) would
>> >>> think the “companies” are the “future” of any ASF project is just
>> >>> way way bad. Like way bad. Off the rails bad. We are *individuals*
>> >>> here, not companies.
>> >>>
>> >>> 4. You state you have wrote drivers and documentation for this
>> >>> project.  Yet you aren’t a PMC member or committer at the ASF. Ever
>> >>> scratch your head and wonder why? By itself, again, sometimes there
>> >>> are reasons for this. Taken in context, there is something REALLY
>> >>> wrong here.
>> >>>
>> >>> Now, more specific replies inline below. Jonathan and PMC members
>> >>> for Apache Cassandra. Please take time to explain in your report
>> >>> what’s going on. I’m hopeful with mentorship and guidance and time
>> >>> this can be addressed but right now, not really happy with what
>> >>> I’m seeing.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> **********
>> >>> Specific comments
>> >>>
>> >>> On 6/11/16, 9:48 AM, "Russell Bradberry" <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I respectfully disagree.  "Newbies" should be pointed in the direction
>> >>> that
>> >>>> will ensure the highest possibility of their success with the product.
>> >>>> This is the best decision for the project, regardless of where the
>> >>>> documentation may reside.
>> >>>
>> >>> While I agree with pointing Newbies to the point where
>> >>> there is the best documentation - I don’t agree that place
>> >>> should be outside of the Apache project.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As one of the authors of an early book on Cassandra, the reason we
>> wrote
>> >>> it
>> >>>> was because the ASF documentation was abysmal.
>> >>>
>> >>> What did you do to try and counteract this? Did you attempt to submit
>> >>> documentation patches and/or to submit documentation that would address
>> >>> that?
>> >>>
>> >>>> Now I am happy to say that
>> >>>> the book I wrote is obsolete, not just because it was written against
>> an
>> >>>> early version of Cassandra, but because the external documentation is
>> so
>> >>>> thorough the need for a book to be written in no longer present.
>> >>>
>> >>> I had no problem with your statement until you put “external” before
>> the
>> >>> word “documentation”.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If the ASF and the PMC want to promote internal documentation, then a
>> >>>> serious amount of time and effort needs to be put into the
>> documentation.
>> >>>> This goes for every project in the ASF. The current state of
>> documentation
>> >>>> in any of the Apache projects sub-standard at best.
>> >>>
>> >>> This, unfortunately, is a strawman. I tell you that ASF projects should
>> >>> have
>> >>> the documentation that is required to run and should be the *first*
>> place
>> >>> you point users to for your documentation. You respond, well the ASF
>> >>> projects
>> >>> have crappy documentation as a whole. I totally disagree with that.
>> Here’s
>> >>> some examples: Tika, Nutch, Solr/Lucene, Subversion, HTTPD, Spark,
>> Hadoop,
>> >>> Maven, I could easily go on.
>> >>>
>> >>> A project that has been around as long as *Apache* (note I keep putting
>> >>> *Apache* in front of the project name too - something I don’t see all
>> too
>> >>> often so far and something you should get used to) Cassandra should
>> know
>> >>> better. This isn’t a new Incubator project.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You make mention, several times, of the community, and in this case
>> the
>> >>>> community has decided that the best source of documentation is the one
>> >>> that
>> >>>> has had a company put financial investment into it.  You can't expect
>> a
>> >>>> community of unpaid volunteers to be able to coordinate and contribute
>> >>>> something of that high quality.
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, I can. And yes, we do. That’s what we do at the ASF. It’s worked
>> >>> for many, many years, before, Apache Cassandra. It will work long after
>> >>> it too.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Full disclosure, I am *not* on the PMC, nor am I an employee of
>> DataStax
>> >>> or
>> >>>> any other company that provides support for an open source project. I
>> am a
>> >>>> member of the community that sees the highest probability of success
>> of
>> >>>> this project being that the PMC supports the development of the core
>> >>>> product while the ancillary pieces like documentation and drivers get
>> >>>> supported by those who are paid to support it.  Because lets all face
>> the
>> >>>> facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I
>> have
>> >>>> done both for this project.
>> >>>
>> >>> Plenty of people are paid to support OSS software, even OSS software
>> at the
>> >>> ASF. But we must be diligent to wear our $dayjob hats, in contrast to
>> the
>> >>> ASF hats, and to do what’s right for the effort at Apache, since in
>> cases
>> >>> such as this, it is the *Apache* project, its community, and its
>> license,
>> >>> that are friendly to downstream users (even companies).
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Suffice it to say, that in my opinion, these "companies" that you
>> seem to
>> >>>> be trying so hard to vilify are the future of projects like this. They
>> >>> fill
>> >>>> the gap that the ASF leaves with its volunteer based model.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Also, to address your thinly veiled and pointed comments as of late.
>> It
>> >>>> seems you have already made up your mind about DataStax and are
>> continuing
>> >>>> in an effort to prove your point.  Doing this in a public manner is
>> toxic
>> >>>> for the community and will do nothing more than to divide it and risk
>> >>>> failure of the project.  I suggest you confer with the PMC and the
>> company
>> >>>> *privately* to determine what is best for the project and ultimately
>> the
>> >>>> community.
>> >>>
>> >>> This statement above, sadly, indicates how broken the governance of
>> >>> this project is. 99% of all discussion in the ASF is public. The only
>> >>> discussion in private is that adding new PMC members and/or committers.
>> >>> Would have been nice for someone long long long before me, to tell you
>> >>> that.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>> Chris
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>> -Russell Bradberry
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>> >>>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Everyone,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> While this may be a current great source of documentation on
>> >>>>> Cassandra, and while it exists externally, the PMC should be
>> >>>>> be promoting (and hopefully ensuring) that the source of
>> documentation
>> >>>>> for Apache Cassandra is here at the ASF.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I’m happy to be corrected that that is the case, and/or that
>> >>>>> I’ve missed something, but the first reply to questions like
>> >>>>> this from newbies shouldn’t be to point to an external website.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>> Chris
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> >>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> >>>>> Chief Architect
>> >>>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> >>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> >>>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> >>>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> >>>>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> >>>>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
>> >>>>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> >>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> >>>>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
>> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 6/11/16, 8:54 AM, "Bhuvan Rawal" <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hi Deepak,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> You can try Datastax Docs, they are most extensive and updated
>> >>>>>> documentation available.
>> >>>>>> As Cassandra is a fast developing technology I wonder if there is a
>> >>> Book
>> >>>>> in
>> >>>>>> the market which covers latest features like Materialized Views/
>> SASI
>> >>>>> Index
>> >>>>>> or new SSTable Format. I believe the best starting point would be
>> the
>> >>>>>> Academy Tutorials and further Planet Cassandra - A week in Cassandra
>> >>>>> series
>> >>>>>> provides good overview of blogs and developments by Cassandra
>> >>> Evangelists.
>> >>>>>> It also provides link of top blogs which help understand internal
>> >>> working
>> >>>>>> of the Database.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> However if you still feel the need, you may refer to books, here are
>> >>> some
>> >>>>>> that I know of -
>> >>>>>> Beginning Apache Cassandra Development - Vivek Mishra - 2014 - Link
>> >>>>>> <
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Apache-Cassandra-Development-Mishra/dp/1484201434
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Cassandra Data Modeling and Analysis - 2014 C.Y. Kan - Link
>> >>>>>> <
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Data-Modeling-Analysis-C-Y/dp/1783988886/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659906&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+data+modeling+and+analysis
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Mastering Apache Cassandra - Second Edition - March 26 2015 - Link
>> >>>>>> <
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784392618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1484201434&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=YVM1QBXHKAFK18J1XBAC
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Cassandra Design Patterns - 2015 - Link
>> >>>>>> <
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Design-Patterns-Rajanarayanan-Thottuvaikkatumana/dp/178528570X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659937&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+design+patterns
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Cassandra High Availability - 2014 - Link
>> >>>>>> <
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-High-Availability-Robbie-Strickland/dp/1783989122/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Learning Apache Cassandra - Manage Fault Tolerant and Scalable
>> >>> Real-Time
>> >>>>>> Data - 2015 - Link
>> >>>>>> <
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Apache-Cassandra-Tolerant-Real-Time/dp/1783989203/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-3&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Best Regards,
>> >>>>>> Bhuvan
>> >>>>>> Datastax Certified Architect
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Deepak Goel <de...@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hey
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I am a newbie.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thank You
>> >>>>>>> Deepak
>> >>>>>>>   --
>> >>>>>>> Keigu
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Deepak
>> >>>>>>> 73500 12833
>> >>>>>>> www.simtree.net, deepak@simtree.net
>> >>>>>>> deicool@gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/deicool
>> >>>>>>> Skype: thumsupdeicool
>> >>>>>>> Google talk: deicool
>> >>>>>>> Blog: http://loveandfearless.wordpress.com
>> >>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/deicool
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "Contribute to the world, environment and more :
>> >>>>>>> http://www.gridrepublic.org
>> >>>>>>> "
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>
>>

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by Benjamin Lerer <be...@datastax.com>.

Hi Chris,

Disclaimer: I am a Datastax employee

It is clear to me that the current official documentation is far from being
enough. That's why I fully support the decision made by Jonathan to do our
best to improve it.

As an Apache Cassandra Committer mostly working on the CQL layer, I know
that we have done our best to keep the CQL documentation up to date
(https://cassandra.apache.org/doc/cql3/CQL-3.0.html). Now, English not
being the native language of some of us, and as we are not technical
writers, I would not really be surprised if some external persons have done
a better job than us.

I think our goal should be to provide an accurate and reliable
documentation for the project. Nevertheless, it seems legitimate to me to
also provide links to external documentations, when people are asking for
it, if others did a better job than us.

The conclusion that we can draw from Buhvan response is that the official
documentation is probably currently not good enough as he is pointing to
it. I believe that once we will have solve this problem, people will be
more likely to make a reference to it. Until then, we should not be
surprised if people are not pointing to it.

What do you think?

Best,

Benjamin


On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Harmeet,
>
> The dev list is the lifeblood of an Apache project, and
> projects here at the ASF conduct 99% of their business in
> public, not in private. The ASF is a non-profit for the
> public good and we have a tradition of openness and
> transparency.
>
> Even if the business isn’t pleasant some times, it must
> be discussed, in public. The committers and PMC members for
>
> the code base - the name of which is *Apache* Cassandra as
> the project is here at the *Apache Software Foundation* -
> are Apache Software Foundation committers first, when they
> deal or steward the Apache code-base. Even before their
> $dayjobs.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
> On 6/11/16, 11:54 PM, "mylisttech@gmail.com" <my...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Dear All,
> >
> >I am user of Cassandra. I am grateful to each of you for providing your
> time as committers to the code base for a great product.
> >
> >This is what I wanted to suggest - could you gentlemen not create a group
> email   Id to discuss matters of such importance amongst yourselves. Using
> the dev list I am not sure is the best place. I have been reading emails
> where insinuations have being made - if a particular company may high jack
> the code base etc.
> >
> >We are all developers , we love our code. I don't think this is right
> forum to bring things out of this proportion , read wash dirty linen.
> >
> >Pardon me if you think my opinion or inputs are wrong.
> >
> >I am newbie on Cassandra. I use it as an application developer. I don't
> have any intention to judge your experiences or thoughts. Just saying this
> could be done in a finer way without most if us getting to know about it.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Harmeet
> >
> >
> >
> >On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:31, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
> >
> >> Looking at that thread, I'm surprised you didn't call Dave out as well,
> >> that attitude did no one any favours.
> >>
> >>> Because lets all face the
> >>> facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I
> have
> >>> done both for this project.
> >>
> >> That's clearly incorrect, I (and I suspect other people) like writing
> docs
> >> because it means people can use your tools in a much easier manner than
> >> looking through the code or unit tests.
> >>
> >> Tooling can be a burden but it doesn't excuse not writing docs, even if
> it
> >> becomes a PMC type rule for committers to commit Docs for new features
> like
> >> they should be committing unit tests. At least it improves what is
> shipped
> >> with the Apache project in question.
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Russell,
> >>>
> >>> [CC/board@, board members may want to join the
> >>> Apache Cassandra lists for specifics and further
> >>> engagement]
> >>>
> >>> Multiple things that need to be addressed below, but TL;DR:
> >>>
> >>> 1. I have asked the Apache Cassandra PMC, and its chair, to provide
> >>> a detailed description on how the project *isn’t* controlled by an
> >>> external entity in its next monthly board report. The below further
> >>> re-enforces the control. Further, it re-enforces the vitriol and
> >>> name calling attitude when questioned and when someone suggests
> >>> pointing to the Apache documentation and making it better as a first
> >>> step. I plan on making it very loudly known at our next board meeting
> >>> that something is awry. CC/board@ ahead of time on that.
> >>>
> >>> 2. You don’t seem to understand Apache. This is unfortunate.  I
> >>> went to go look you up and see if you are a PMC member for Apache
> >>> Cassandra. Funny enough, the main page doesn’t even link to the PMC
> >>> (I couldn’t find a direct link). This isn’t even correct with respect
> >>> to Apache branding guidelines here at the ASF. Shane, would you
> >>> like to comment here? For an FYI to everyone, see:
> >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
> >>>
> >>> After a Google Search, I found this page:
> >>> https://wiki.apache.org/cassandra/Committers
> >>>
> >>> That looks way out of date. Luckily there is the project.apache.org
> >>> ASF page: https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?cassandra
> >>>
> >>> Which indicates you aren’t a committer or PMC member of the project.
> >>> This is unfortunate. If you wrote a book for projects I work on, I
> >>> would have hopefully long before and along the way got involved in
> >>> the community, and encouraged you to contribute to the *core effort
> >>> here at the ASF* and took you on the path towards becoming a PMC
> >>> member in the *Apache project that is the core effort*.
> >>>
> >>> In short, I can see why you don’t understand Apache. It’s likely
> >>> due to the fact that the Apache Cassandra PMC doesn’t seem to get
> >>> it either. If they did, they would have worked to explain it to
> >>> you.  More on that later.
> >>>
> >>> 3. The fact that you think “the companies that I try to [sic] vilify
> >>> are the *future* of projects like this” isn’t just a statement that
> >>> indicates you don’t get Apache. That someone in the community (which
> >>> includes you even though you aren’t a committer or on the PMC) would
> >>> think the “companies” are the “future” of any ASF project is just
> >>> way way bad. Like way bad. Off the rails bad. We are *individuals*
> >>> here, not companies.
> >>>
> >>> 4. You state you have wrote drivers and documentation for this
> >>> project.  Yet you aren’t a PMC member or committer at the ASF. Ever
> >>> scratch your head and wonder why? By itself, again, sometimes there
> >>> are reasons for this. Taken in context, there is something REALLY
> >>> wrong here.
> >>>
> >>> Now, more specific replies inline below. Jonathan and PMC members
> >>> for Apache Cassandra. Please take time to explain in your report
> >>> what’s going on. I’m hopeful with mentorship and guidance and time
> >>> this can be addressed but right now, not really happy with what
> >>> I’m seeing.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> **********
> >>> Specific comments
> >>>
> >>> On 6/11/16, 9:48 AM, "Russell Bradberry" <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I respectfully disagree.  "Newbies" should be pointed in the direction
> >>> that
> >>>> will ensure the highest possibility of their success with the product.
> >>>> This is the best decision for the project, regardless of where the
> >>>> documentation may reside.
> >>>
> >>> While I agree with pointing Newbies to the point where
> >>> there is the best documentation - I don’t agree that place
> >>> should be outside of the Apache project.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> As one of the authors of an early book on Cassandra, the reason we
> wrote
> >>> it
> >>>> was because the ASF documentation was abysmal.
> >>>
> >>> What did you do to try and counteract this? Did you attempt to submit
> >>> documentation patches and/or to submit documentation that would address
> >>> that?
> >>>
> >>>> Now I am happy to say that
> >>>> the book I wrote is obsolete, not just because it was written against
> an
> >>>> early version of Cassandra, but because the external documentation is
> so
> >>>> thorough the need for a book to be written in no longer present.
> >>>
> >>> I had no problem with your statement until you put “external” before
> the
> >>> word “documentation”.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> If the ASF and the PMC want to promote internal documentation, then a
> >>>> serious amount of time and effort needs to be put into the
> documentation.
> >>>> This goes for every project in the ASF. The current state of
> documentation
> >>>> in any of the Apache projects sub-standard at best.
> >>>
> >>> This, unfortunately, is a strawman. I tell you that ASF projects should
> >>> have
> >>> the documentation that is required to run and should be the *first*
> place
> >>> you point users to for your documentation. You respond, well the ASF
> >>> projects
> >>> have crappy documentation as a whole. I totally disagree with that.
> Here’s
> >>> some examples: Tika, Nutch, Solr/Lucene, Subversion, HTTPD, Spark,
> Hadoop,
> >>> Maven, I could easily go on.
> >>>
> >>> A project that has been around as long as *Apache* (note I keep putting
> >>> *Apache* in front of the project name too - something I don’t see all
> too
> >>> often so far and something you should get used to) Cassandra should
> know
> >>> better. This isn’t a new Incubator project.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You make mention, several times, of the community, and in this case
> the
> >>>> community has decided that the best source of documentation is the one
> >>> that
> >>>> has had a company put financial investment into it.  You can't expect
> a
> >>>> community of unpaid volunteers to be able to coordinate and contribute
> >>>> something of that high quality.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I can. And yes, we do. That’s what we do at the ASF. It’s worked
> >>> for many, many years, before, Apache Cassandra. It will work long after
> >>> it too.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Full disclosure, I am *not* on the PMC, nor am I an employee of
> DataStax
> >>> or
> >>>> any other company that provides support for an open source project. I
> am a
> >>>> member of the community that sees the highest probability of success
> of
> >>>> this project being that the PMC supports the development of the core
> >>>> product while the ancillary pieces like documentation and drivers get
> >>>> supported by those who are paid to support it.  Because lets all face
> the
> >>>> facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I
> have
> >>>> done both for this project.
> >>>
> >>> Plenty of people are paid to support OSS software, even OSS software
> at the
> >>> ASF. But we must be diligent to wear our $dayjob hats, in contrast to
> the
> >>> ASF hats, and to do what’s right for the effort at Apache, since in
> cases
> >>> such as this, it is the *Apache* project, its community, and its
> license,
> >>> that are friendly to downstream users (even companies).
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Suffice it to say, that in my opinion, these "companies" that you
> seem to
> >>>> be trying so hard to vilify are the future of projects like this. They
> >>> fill
> >>>> the gap that the ASF leaves with its volunteer based model.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, to address your thinly veiled and pointed comments as of late.
> It
> >>>> seems you have already made up your mind about DataStax and are
> continuing
> >>>> in an effort to prove your point.  Doing this in a public manner is
> toxic
> >>>> for the community and will do nothing more than to divide it and risk
> >>>> failure of the project.  I suggest you confer with the PMC and the
> company
> >>>> *privately* to determine what is best for the project and ultimately
> the
> >>>> community.
> >>>
> >>> This statement above, sadly, indicates how broken the governance of
> >>> this project is. 99% of all discussion in the ASF is public. The only
> >>> discussion in private is that adding new PMC members and/or committers.
> >>> Would have been nice for someone long long long before me, to tell you
> >>> that.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> -Russell Bradberry
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> >>>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Everyone,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> While this may be a current great source of documentation on
> >>>>> Cassandra, and while it exists externally, the PMC should be
> >>>>> be promoting (and hopefully ensuring) that the source of
> documentation
> >>>>> for Apache Cassandra is here at the ASF.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I’m happy to be corrected that that is the case, and/or that
> >>>>> I’ve missed something, but the first reply to questions like
> >>>>> this from newbies shouldn’t be to point to an external website.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Chris
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >>>>> Chief Architect
> >>>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >>>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >>>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >>>>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
> >>>>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >>>>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 6/11/16, 8:54 AM, "Bhuvan Rawal" <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Deepak,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You can try Datastax Docs, they are most extensive and updated
> >>>>>> documentation available.
> >>>>>> As Cassandra is a fast developing technology I wonder if there is a
> >>> Book
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>> the market which covers latest features like Materialized Views/
> SASI
> >>>>> Index
> >>>>>> or new SSTable Format. I believe the best starting point would be
> the
> >>>>>> Academy Tutorials and further Planet Cassandra - A week in Cassandra
> >>>>> series
> >>>>>> provides good overview of blogs and developments by Cassandra
> >>> Evangelists.
> >>>>>> It also provides link of top blogs which help understand internal
> >>> working
> >>>>>> of the Database.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> However if you still feel the need, you may refer to books, here are
> >>> some
> >>>>>> that I know of -
> >>>>>> Beginning Apache Cassandra Development - Vivek Mishra - 2014 - Link
> >>>>>> <
> >>>>>
> >>>
> https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Apache-Cassandra-Development-Mishra/dp/1484201434
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cassandra Data Modeling and Analysis - 2014 C.Y. Kan - Link
> >>>>>> <
> >>>>>
> >>>
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Data-Modeling-Analysis-C-Y/dp/1783988886/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659906&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+data+modeling+and+analysis
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mastering Apache Cassandra - Second Edition - March 26 2015 - Link
> >>>>>> <
> >>>>>
> >>>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784392618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1484201434&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=YVM1QBXHKAFK18J1XBAC
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cassandra Design Patterns - 2015 - Link
> >>>>>> <
> >>>>>
> >>>
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Design-Patterns-Rajanarayanan-Thottuvaikkatumana/dp/178528570X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659937&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+design+patterns
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cassandra High Availability - 2014 - Link
> >>>>>> <
> >>>>>
> >>>
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-High-Availability-Robbie-Strickland/dp/1783989122/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Learning Apache Cassandra - Manage Fault Tolerant and Scalable
> >>> Real-Time
> >>>>>> Data - 2015 - Link
> >>>>>> <
> >>>>>
> >>>
> https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Apache-Cassandra-Tolerant-Real-Time/dp/1783989203/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-3&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best Regards,
> >>>>>> Bhuvan
> >>>>>> Datastax Certified Architect
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Deepak Goel <de...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hey
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am a newbie.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank You
> >>>>>>> Deepak
> >>>>>>>   --
> >>>>>>> Keigu
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Deepak
> >>>>>>> 73500 12833
> >>>>>>> www.simtree.net, deepak@simtree.net
> >>>>>>> deicool@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/deicool
> >>>>>>> Skype: thumsupdeicool
> >>>>>>> Google talk: deicool
> >>>>>>> Blog: http://loveandfearless.wordpress.com
> >>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/deicool
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Contribute to the world, environment and more :
> >>>>>>> http://www.gridrepublic.org
> >>>>>>> "
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
>

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>.

Hi Harmeet,

The dev list is the lifeblood of an Apache project, and
projects here at the ASF conduct 99% of their business in
public, not in private. The ASF is a non-profit for the 
public good and we have a tradition of openness and 
transparency. 

Even if the business isn’t pleasant some times, it must
be discussed, in public. The committers and PMC members for

the code base - the name of which is *Apache* Cassandra as
the project is here at the *Apache Software Foundation* - 
are Apache Software Foundation committers first, when they
deal or steward the Apache code-base. Even before their 
$dayjobs. 

Cheers,
Chris


On 6/11/16, 11:54 PM, "mylisttech@gmail.com" <my...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Dear All,
>
>I am user of Cassandra. I am grateful to each of you for providing your time as committers to the code base for a great product.
>
>This is what I wanted to suggest - could you gentlemen not create a group email   Id to discuss matters of such importance amongst yourselves. Using the dev list I am not sure is the best place. I have been reading emails where insinuations have being made - if a particular company may high jack the code base etc.
>
>We are all developers , we love our code. I don't think this is right forum to bring things out of this proportion , read wash dirty linen. 
>
>Pardon me if you think my opinion or inputs are wrong.
>
>I am newbie on Cassandra. I use it as an application developer. I don't have any intention to judge your experiences or thoughts. Just saying this could be done in a finer way without most if us getting to know about it.
>
>Regards, 
>Harmeet
>
>
>
>On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:31, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:
>
>> Looking at that thread, I'm surprised you didn't call Dave out as well,
>> that attitude did no one any favours.
>> 
>>> Because lets all face the
>>> facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I have
>>> done both for this project.
>> 
>> That's clearly incorrect, I (and I suspect other people) like writing docs
>> because it means people can use your tools in a much easier manner than
>> looking through the code or unit tests.
>> 
>> Tooling can be a burden but it doesn't excuse not writing docs, even if it
>> becomes a PMC type rule for committers to commit Docs for new features like
>> they should be committing unit tests. At least it improves what is shipped
>> with the Apache project in question.
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Russell,
>>> 
>>> [CC/board@, board members may want to join the
>>> Apache Cassandra lists for specifics and further
>>> engagement]
>>> 
>>> Multiple things that need to be addressed below, but TL;DR:
>>> 
>>> 1. I have asked the Apache Cassandra PMC, and its chair, to provide
>>> a detailed description on how the project *isn’t* controlled by an
>>> external entity in its next monthly board report. The below further
>>> re-enforces the control. Further, it re-enforces the vitriol and
>>> name calling attitude when questioned and when someone suggests
>>> pointing to the Apache documentation and making it better as a first
>>> step. I plan on making it very loudly known at our next board meeting
>>> that something is awry. CC/board@ ahead of time on that.
>>> 
>>> 2. You don’t seem to understand Apache. This is unfortunate.  I
>>> went to go look you up and see if you are a PMC member for Apache
>>> Cassandra. Funny enough, the main page doesn’t even link to the PMC
>>> (I couldn’t find a direct link). This isn’t even correct with respect
>>> to Apache branding guidelines here at the ASF. Shane, would you
>>> like to comment here? For an FYI to everyone, see:
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
>>> 
>>> After a Google Search, I found this page:
>>> https://wiki.apache.org/cassandra/Committers
>>> 
>>> That looks way out of date. Luckily there is the project.apache.org
>>> ASF page: https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?cassandra
>>> 
>>> Which indicates you aren’t a committer or PMC member of the project.
>>> This is unfortunate. If you wrote a book for projects I work on, I
>>> would have hopefully long before and along the way got involved in
>>> the community, and encouraged you to contribute to the *core effort
>>> here at the ASF* and took you on the path towards becoming a PMC
>>> member in the *Apache project that is the core effort*.
>>> 
>>> In short, I can see why you don’t understand Apache. It’s likely
>>> due to the fact that the Apache Cassandra PMC doesn’t seem to get
>>> it either. If they did, they would have worked to explain it to
>>> you.  More on that later.
>>> 
>>> 3. The fact that you think “the companies that I try to [sic] vilify
>>> are the *future* of projects like this” isn’t just a statement that
>>> indicates you don’t get Apache. That someone in the community (which
>>> includes you even though you aren’t a committer or on the PMC) would
>>> think the “companies” are the “future” of any ASF project is just
>>> way way bad. Like way bad. Off the rails bad. We are *individuals*
>>> here, not companies.
>>> 
>>> 4. You state you have wrote drivers and documentation for this
>>> project.  Yet you aren’t a PMC member or committer at the ASF. Ever
>>> scratch your head and wonder why? By itself, again, sometimes there
>>> are reasons for this. Taken in context, there is something REALLY
>>> wrong here.
>>> 
>>> Now, more specific replies inline below. Jonathan and PMC members
>>> for Apache Cassandra. Please take time to explain in your report
>>> what’s going on. I’m hopeful with mentorship and guidance and time
>>> this can be addressed but right now, not really happy with what
>>> I’m seeing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> **********
>>> Specific comments
>>> 
>>> On 6/11/16, 9:48 AM, "Russell Bradberry" <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I respectfully disagree.  "Newbies" should be pointed in the direction
>>> that
>>>> will ensure the highest possibility of their success with the product.
>>>> This is the best decision for the project, regardless of where the
>>>> documentation may reside.
>>> 
>>> While I agree with pointing Newbies to the point where
>>> there is the best documentation - I don’t agree that place
>>> should be outside of the Apache project.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As one of the authors of an early book on Cassandra, the reason we wrote
>>> it
>>>> was because the ASF documentation was abysmal.
>>> 
>>> What did you do to try and counteract this? Did you attempt to submit
>>> documentation patches and/or to submit documentation that would address
>>> that?
>>> 
>>>> Now I am happy to say that
>>>> the book I wrote is obsolete, not just because it was written against an
>>>> early version of Cassandra, but because the external documentation is so
>>>> thorough the need for a book to be written in no longer present.
>>> 
>>> I had no problem with your statement until you put “external” before the
>>> word “documentation”.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If the ASF and the PMC want to promote internal documentation, then a
>>>> serious amount of time and effort needs to be put into the documentation.
>>>> This goes for every project in the ASF. The current state of documentation
>>>> in any of the Apache projects sub-standard at best.
>>> 
>>> This, unfortunately, is a strawman. I tell you that ASF projects should
>>> have
>>> the documentation that is required to run and should be the *first* place
>>> you point users to for your documentation. You respond, well the ASF
>>> projects
>>> have crappy documentation as a whole. I totally disagree with that. Here’s
>>> some examples: Tika, Nutch, Solr/Lucene, Subversion, HTTPD, Spark, Hadoop,
>>> Maven, I could easily go on.
>>> 
>>> A project that has been around as long as *Apache* (note I keep putting
>>> *Apache* in front of the project name too - something I don’t see all too
>>> often so far and something you should get used to) Cassandra should know
>>> better. This isn’t a new Incubator project.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You make mention, several times, of the community, and in this case the
>>>> community has decided that the best source of documentation is the one
>>> that
>>>> has had a company put financial investment into it.  You can't expect a
>>>> community of unpaid volunteers to be able to coordinate and contribute
>>>> something of that high quality.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I can. And yes, we do. That’s what we do at the ASF. It’s worked
>>> for many, many years, before, Apache Cassandra. It will work long after
>>> it too.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Full disclosure, I am *not* on the PMC, nor am I an employee of DataStax
>>> or
>>>> any other company that provides support for an open source project. I am a
>>>> member of the community that sees the highest probability of success of
>>>> this project being that the PMC supports the development of the core
>>>> product while the ancillary pieces like documentation and drivers get
>>>> supported by those who are paid to support it.  Because lets all face the
>>>> facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I have
>>>> done both for this project.
>>> 
>>> Plenty of people are paid to support OSS software, even OSS software at the
>>> ASF. But we must be diligent to wear our $dayjob hats, in contrast to the
>>> ASF hats, and to do what’s right for the effort at Apache, since in cases
>>> such as this, it is the *Apache* project, its community, and its license,
>>> that are friendly to downstream users (even companies).
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Suffice it to say, that in my opinion, these "companies" that you seem to
>>>> be trying so hard to vilify are the future of projects like this. They
>>> fill
>>>> the gap that the ASF leaves with its volunteer based model.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, to address your thinly veiled and pointed comments as of late.  It
>>>> seems you have already made up your mind about DataStax and are continuing
>>>> in an effort to prove your point.  Doing this in a public manner is toxic
>>>> for the community and will do nothing more than to divide it and risk
>>>> failure of the project.  I suggest you confer with the PMC and the company
>>>> *privately* to determine what is best for the project and ultimately the
>>>> community.
>>> 
>>> This statement above, sadly, indicates how broken the governance of
>>> this project is. 99% of all discussion in the ASF is public. The only
>>> discussion in private is that adding new PMC members and/or committers.
>>> Would have been nice for someone long long long before me, to tell you
>>> that.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> -Russell Bradberry
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>>>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> While this may be a current great source of documentation on
>>>>> Cassandra, and while it exists externally, the PMC should be
>>>>> be promoting (and hopefully ensuring) that the source of documentation
>>>>> for Apache Cassandra is here at the ASF.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m happy to be corrected that that is the case, and/or that
>>>>> I’ve missed something, but the first reply to questions like
>>>>> this from newbies shouldn’t be to point to an external website.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> 
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>>>> Chief Architect
>>>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>>>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>>>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
>>>>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>>>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/11/16, 8:54 AM, "Bhuvan Rawal" <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Deepak,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can try Datastax Docs, they are most extensive and updated
>>>>>> documentation available.
>>>>>> As Cassandra is a fast developing technology I wonder if there is a
>>> Book
>>>>> in
>>>>>> the market which covers latest features like Materialized Views/ SASI
>>>>> Index
>>>>>> or new SSTable Format. I believe the best starting point would be the
>>>>>> Academy Tutorials and further Planet Cassandra - A week in Cassandra
>>>>> series
>>>>>> provides good overview of blogs and developments by Cassandra
>>> Evangelists.
>>>>>> It also provides link of top blogs which help understand internal
>>> working
>>>>>> of the Database.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> However if you still feel the need, you may refer to books, here are
>>> some
>>>>>> that I know of -
>>>>>> Beginning Apache Cassandra Development - Vivek Mishra - 2014 - Link
>>>>>> <
>>>>> 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Apache-Cassandra-Development-Mishra/dp/1484201434
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cassandra Data Modeling and Analysis - 2014 C.Y. Kan - Link
>>>>>> <
>>>>> 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Data-Modeling-Analysis-C-Y/dp/1783988886/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659906&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+data+modeling+and+analysis
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mastering Apache Cassandra - Second Edition - March 26 2015 - Link
>>>>>> <
>>>>> 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784392618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1484201434&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=YVM1QBXHKAFK18J1XBAC
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cassandra Design Patterns - 2015 - Link
>>>>>> <
>>>>> 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Design-Patterns-Rajanarayanan-Thottuvaikkatumana/dp/178528570X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659937&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+design+patterns
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cassandra High Availability - 2014 - Link
>>>>>> <
>>>>> 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-High-Availability-Robbie-Strickland/dp/1783989122/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Learning Apache Cassandra - Manage Fault Tolerant and Scalable
>>> Real-Time
>>>>>> Data - 2015 - Link
>>>>>> <
>>>>> 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Apache-Cassandra-Tolerant-Real-Time/dp/1783989203/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-3&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>> Bhuvan
>>>>>> Datastax Certified Architect
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Deepak Goel <de...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hey
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am a newbie.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank You
>>>>>>> Deepak
>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>> Keigu
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Deepak
>>>>>>> 73500 12833
>>>>>>> www.simtree.net, deepak@simtree.net
>>>>>>> deicool@gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/deicool
>>>>>>> Skype: thumsupdeicool
>>>>>>> Google talk: deicool
>>>>>>> Blog: http://loveandfearless.wordpress.com
>>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/deicool
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Contribute to the world, environment and more :
>>>>>>> http://www.gridrepublic.org
>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by my...@gmail.com.

Dear All,

I am user of Cassandra. I am grateful to each of you for providing your time as committers to the code base for a great product.

This is what I wanted to suggest - could you gentlemen not create a group email   Id to discuss matters of such importance amongst yourselves. Using the dev list I am not sure is the best place. I have been reading emails where insinuations have being made - if a particular company may high jack the code base etc.

We are all developers , we love our code. I don't think this is right forum to bring things out of this proportion , read wash dirty linen. 

Pardon me if you think my opinion or inputs are wrong.

I am newbie on Cassandra. I use it as an application developer. I don't have any intention to judge your experiences or thoughts. Just saying this could be done in a finer way without most if us getting to know about it.

Regards, 
Harmeet



On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:31, Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi> wrote:

> Looking at that thread, I'm surprised you didn't call Dave out as well,
> that attitude did no one any favours.
> 
>> Because lets all face the
>> facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I have
>> done both for this project.
> 
> That's clearly incorrect, I (and I suspect other people) like writing docs
> because it means people can use your tools in a much easier manner than
> looking through the code or unit tests.
> 
> Tooling can be a burden but it doesn't excuse not writing docs, even if it
> becomes a PMC type rule for committers to commit Docs for new features like
> they should be committing unit tests. At least it improves what is shipped
> with the Apache project in question.
> 
> Tom
> 
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Russell,
>> 
>> [CC/board@, board members may want to join the
>> Apache Cassandra lists for specifics and further
>> engagement]
>> 
>> Multiple things that need to be addressed below, but TL;DR:
>> 
>> 1. I have asked the Apache Cassandra PMC, and its chair, to provide
>> a detailed description on how the project *isn’t* controlled by an
>> external entity in its next monthly board report. The below further
>> re-enforces the control. Further, it re-enforces the vitriol and
>> name calling attitude when questioned and when someone suggests
>> pointing to the Apache documentation and making it better as a first
>> step. I plan on making it very loudly known at our next board meeting
>> that something is awry. CC/board@ ahead of time on that.
>> 
>> 2. You don’t seem to understand Apache. This is unfortunate.  I
>> went to go look you up and see if you are a PMC member for Apache
>> Cassandra. Funny enough, the main page doesn’t even link to the PMC
>> (I couldn’t find a direct link). This isn’t even correct with respect
>> to Apache branding guidelines here at the ASF. Shane, would you
>> like to comment here? For an FYI to everyone, see:
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
>> 
>> After a Google Search, I found this page:
>> https://wiki.apache.org/cassandra/Committers
>> 
>> That looks way out of date. Luckily there is the project.apache.org
>> ASF page: https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?cassandra
>> 
>> Which indicates you aren’t a committer or PMC member of the project.
>> This is unfortunate. If you wrote a book for projects I work on, I
>> would have hopefully long before and along the way got involved in
>> the community, and encouraged you to contribute to the *core effort
>> here at the ASF* and took you on the path towards becoming a PMC
>> member in the *Apache project that is the core effort*.
>> 
>> In short, I can see why you don’t understand Apache. It’s likely
>> due to the fact that the Apache Cassandra PMC doesn’t seem to get
>> it either. If they did, they would have worked to explain it to
>> you.  More on that later.
>> 
>> 3. The fact that you think “the companies that I try to [sic] vilify
>> are the *future* of projects like this” isn’t just a statement that
>> indicates you don’t get Apache. That someone in the community (which
>> includes you even though you aren’t a committer or on the PMC) would
>> think the “companies” are the “future” of any ASF project is just
>> way way bad. Like way bad. Off the rails bad. We are *individuals*
>> here, not companies.
>> 
>> 4. You state you have wrote drivers and documentation for this
>> project.  Yet you aren’t a PMC member or committer at the ASF. Ever
>> scratch your head and wonder why? By itself, again, sometimes there
>> are reasons for this. Taken in context, there is something REALLY
>> wrong here.
>> 
>> Now, more specific replies inline below. Jonathan and PMC members
>> for Apache Cassandra. Please take time to explain in your report
>> what’s going on. I’m hopeful with mentorship and guidance and time
>> this can be addressed but right now, not really happy with what
>> I’m seeing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> **********
>> Specific comments
>> 
>> On 6/11/16, 9:48 AM, "Russell Bradberry" <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I respectfully disagree.  "Newbies" should be pointed in the direction
>> that
>>> will ensure the highest possibility of their success with the product.
>>> This is the best decision for the project, regardless of where the
>>> documentation may reside.
>> 
>> While I agree with pointing Newbies to the point where
>> there is the best documentation - I don’t agree that place
>> should be outside of the Apache project.
>> 
>>> 
>>> As one of the authors of an early book on Cassandra, the reason we wrote
>> it
>>> was because the ASF documentation was abysmal.
>> 
>> What did you do to try and counteract this? Did you attempt to submit
>> documentation patches and/or to submit documentation that would address
>> that?
>> 
>>> Now I am happy to say that
>>> the book I wrote is obsolete, not just because it was written against an
>>> early version of Cassandra, but because the external documentation is so
>>> thorough the need for a book to be written in no longer present.
>> 
>> I had no problem with your statement until you put “external” before the
>> word “documentation”.
>> 
>>> 
>>> If the ASF and the PMC want to promote internal documentation, then a
>>> serious amount of time and effort needs to be put into the documentation.
>>> This goes for every project in the ASF. The current state of documentation
>>> in any of the Apache projects sub-standard at best.
>> 
>> This, unfortunately, is a strawman. I tell you that ASF projects should
>> have
>> the documentation that is required to run and should be the *first* place
>> you point users to for your documentation. You respond, well the ASF
>> projects
>> have crappy documentation as a whole. I totally disagree with that. Here’s
>> some examples: Tika, Nutch, Solr/Lucene, Subversion, HTTPD, Spark, Hadoop,
>> Maven, I could easily go on.
>> 
>> A project that has been around as long as *Apache* (note I keep putting
>> *Apache* in front of the project name too - something I don’t see all too
>> often so far and something you should get used to) Cassandra should know
>> better. This isn’t a new Incubator project.
>> 
>>> 
>>> You make mention, several times, of the community, and in this case the
>>> community has decided that the best source of documentation is the one
>> that
>>> has had a company put financial investment into it.  You can't expect a
>>> community of unpaid volunteers to be able to coordinate and contribute
>>> something of that high quality.
>> 
>> Yes, I can. And yes, we do. That’s what we do at the ASF. It’s worked
>> for many, many years, before, Apache Cassandra. It will work long after
>> it too.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Full disclosure, I am *not* on the PMC, nor am I an employee of DataStax
>> or
>>> any other company that provides support for an open source project. I am a
>>> member of the community that sees the highest probability of success of
>>> this project being that the PMC supports the development of the core
>>> product while the ancillary pieces like documentation and drivers get
>>> supported by those who are paid to support it.  Because lets all face the
>>> facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I have
>>> done both for this project.
>> 
>> Plenty of people are paid to support OSS software, even OSS software at the
>> ASF. But we must be diligent to wear our $dayjob hats, in contrast to the
>> ASF hats, and to do what’s right for the effort at Apache, since in cases
>> such as this, it is the *Apache* project, its community, and its license,
>> that are friendly to downstream users (even companies).
>> 
>>> 
>>> Suffice it to say, that in my opinion, these "companies" that you seem to
>>> be trying so hard to vilify are the future of projects like this. They
>> fill
>>> the gap that the ASF leaves with its volunteer based model.
>>> 
>>> Also, to address your thinly veiled and pointed comments as of late.  It
>>> seems you have already made up your mind about DataStax and are continuing
>>> in an effort to prove your point.  Doing this in a public manner is toxic
>>> for the community and will do nothing more than to divide it and risk
>>> failure of the project.  I suggest you confer with the PMC and the company
>>> *privately* to determine what is best for the project and ultimately the
>>> community.
>> 
>> This statement above, sadly, indicates how broken the governance of
>> this project is. 99% of all discussion in the ASF is public. The only
>> discussion in private is that adding new PMC members and/or committers.
>> Would have been nice for someone long long long before me, to tell you
>> that.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> -Russell Bradberry
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> While this may be a current great source of documentation on
>>>> Cassandra, and while it exists externally, the PMC should be
>>>> be promoting (and hopefully ensuring) that the source of documentation
>>>> for Apache Cassandra is here at the ASF.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m happy to be corrected that that is the case, and/or that
>>>> I’ve missed something, but the first reply to questions like
>>>> this from newbies shouldn’t be to point to an external website.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Chris
>>>> 
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>>> Chief Architect
>>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
>>>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/11/16, 8:54 AM, "Bhuvan Rawal" <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Deepak,
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can try Datastax Docs, they are most extensive and updated
>>>>> documentation available.
>>>>> As Cassandra is a fast developing technology I wonder if there is a
>> Book
>>>> in
>>>>> the market which covers latest features like Materialized Views/ SASI
>>>> Index
>>>>> or new SSTable Format. I believe the best starting point would be the
>>>>> Academy Tutorials and further Planet Cassandra - A week in Cassandra
>>>> series
>>>>> provides good overview of blogs and developments by Cassandra
>> Evangelists.
>>>>> It also provides link of top blogs which help understand internal
>> working
>>>>> of the Database.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However if you still feel the need, you may refer to books, here are
>> some
>>>>> that I know of -
>>>>> Beginning Apache Cassandra Development - Vivek Mishra - 2014 - Link
>>>>> <
>>>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Apache-Cassandra-Development-Mishra/dp/1484201434
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cassandra Data Modeling and Analysis - 2014 C.Y. Kan - Link
>>>>> <
>>>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Data-Modeling-Analysis-C-Y/dp/1783988886/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659906&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+data+modeling+and+analysis
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mastering Apache Cassandra - Second Edition - March 26 2015 - Link
>>>>> <
>>>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784392618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1484201434&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=YVM1QBXHKAFK18J1XBAC
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cassandra Design Patterns - 2015 - Link
>>>>> <
>>>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Design-Patterns-Rajanarayanan-Thottuvaikkatumana/dp/178528570X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659937&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+design+patterns
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cassandra High Availability - 2014 - Link
>>>>> <
>>>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-High-Availability-Robbie-Strickland/dp/1783989122/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
>>>>> 
>>>>> Learning Apache Cassandra - Manage Fault Tolerant and Scalable
>> Real-Time
>>>>> Data - 2015 - Link
>>>>> <
>>>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Apache-Cassandra-Tolerant-Real-Time/dp/1783989203/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-3&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Bhuvan
>>>>> Datastax Certified Architect
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Deepak Goel <de...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am a newbie.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank You
>>>>>> Deepak
>>>>>>   --
>>>>>> Keigu
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Deepak
>>>>>> 73500 12833
>>>>>> www.simtree.net, deepak@simtree.net
>>>>>> deicool@gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/deicool
>>>>>> Skype: thumsupdeicool
>>>>>> Google talk: deicool
>>>>>> Blog: http://loveandfearless.wordpress.com
>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/deicool
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Contribute to the world, environment and more :
>>>>>> http://www.gridrepublic.org
>>>>>> "
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>.

Looking at that thread, I'm surprised you didn't call Dave out as well,
that attitude did no one any favours.

>Because lets all face the
>facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I have
>done both for this project.

That's clearly incorrect, I (and I suspect other people) like writing docs
because it means people can use your tools in a much easier manner than
looking through the code or unit tests.

Tooling can be a burden but it doesn't excuse not writing docs, even if it
becomes a PMC type rule for committers to commit Docs for new features like
they should be committing unit tests. At least it improves what is shipped
with the Apache project in question.

Tom

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Russell,
>
> [CC/board@, board members may want to join the
> Apache Cassandra lists for specifics and further
> engagement]
>
> Multiple things that need to be addressed below, but TL;DR:
>
> 1. I have asked the Apache Cassandra PMC, and its chair, to provide
> a detailed description on how the project *isn’t* controlled by an
> external entity in its next monthly board report. The below further
> re-enforces the control. Further, it re-enforces the vitriol and
> name calling attitude when questioned and when someone suggests
> pointing to the Apache documentation and making it better as a first
> step. I plan on making it very loudly known at our next board meeting
> that something is awry. CC/board@ ahead of time on that.
>
> 2. You don’t seem to understand Apache. This is unfortunate.  I
> went to go look you up and see if you are a PMC member for Apache
> Cassandra. Funny enough, the main page doesn’t even link to the PMC
> (I couldn’t find a direct link). This isn’t even correct with respect
> to Apache branding guidelines here at the ASF. Shane, would you
> like to comment here? For an FYI to everyone, see:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
>
> After a Google Search, I found this page:
> https://wiki.apache.org/cassandra/Committers
>
> That looks way out of date. Luckily there is the project.apache.org
> ASF page: https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?cassandra
>
> Which indicates you aren’t a committer or PMC member of the project.
> This is unfortunate. If you wrote a book for projects I work on, I
> would have hopefully long before and along the way got involved in
> the community, and encouraged you to contribute to the *core effort
> here at the ASF* and took you on the path towards becoming a PMC
> member in the *Apache project that is the core effort*.
>
> In short, I can see why you don’t understand Apache. It’s likely
> due to the fact that the Apache Cassandra PMC doesn’t seem to get
> it either. If they did, they would have worked to explain it to
> you.  More on that later.
>
> 3. The fact that you think “the companies that I try to [sic] vilify
> are the *future* of projects like this” isn’t just a statement that
> indicates you don’t get Apache. That someone in the community (which
> includes you even though you aren’t a committer or on the PMC) would
> think the “companies” are the “future” of any ASF project is just
> way way bad. Like way bad. Off the rails bad. We are *individuals*
> here, not companies.
>
> 4. You state you have wrote drivers and documentation for this
> project.  Yet you aren’t a PMC member or committer at the ASF. Ever
> scratch your head and wonder why? By itself, again, sometimes there
> are reasons for this. Taken in context, there is something REALLY
> wrong here.
>
> Now, more specific replies inline below. Jonathan and PMC members
> for Apache Cassandra. Please take time to explain in your report
> what’s going on. I’m hopeful with mentorship and guidance and time
> this can be addressed but right now, not really happy with what
> I’m seeing.
>
>
>
> **********
> Specific comments
>
> On 6/11/16, 9:48 AM, "Russell Bradberry" <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I respectfully disagree.  "Newbies" should be pointed in the direction
> that
> >will ensure the highest possibility of their success with the product.
> >This is the best decision for the project, regardless of where the
> >documentation may reside.
>
> While I agree with pointing Newbies to the point where
> there is the best documentation - I don’t agree that place
> should be outside of the Apache project.
>
> >
> >As one of the authors of an early book on Cassandra, the reason we wrote
> it
> >was because the ASF documentation was abysmal.
>
> What did you do to try and counteract this? Did you attempt to submit
> documentation patches and/or to submit documentation that would address
> that?
>
> > Now I am happy to say that
> >the book I wrote is obsolete, not just because it was written against an
> >early version of Cassandra, but because the external documentation is so
> >thorough the need for a book to be written in no longer present.
>
> I had no problem with your statement until you put “external” before the
> word “documentation”.
>
> >
> >If the ASF and the PMC want to promote internal documentation, then a
> >serious amount of time and effort needs to be put into the documentation.
> >This goes for every project in the ASF. The current state of documentation
> >in any of the Apache projects sub-standard at best.
>
> This, unfortunately, is a strawman. I tell you that ASF projects should
> have
> the documentation that is required to run and should be the *first* place
> you point users to for your documentation. You respond, well the ASF
> projects
> have crappy documentation as a whole. I totally disagree with that. Here’s
> some examples: Tika, Nutch, Solr/Lucene, Subversion, HTTPD, Spark, Hadoop,
> Maven, I could easily go on.
>
> A project that has been around as long as *Apache* (note I keep putting
> *Apache* in front of the project name too - something I don’t see all too
> often so far and something you should get used to) Cassandra should know
> better. This isn’t a new Incubator project.
>
> >
> >You make mention, several times, of the community, and in this case the
> >community has decided that the best source of documentation is the one
> that
> >has had a company put financial investment into it.  You can't expect a
> >community of unpaid volunteers to be able to coordinate and contribute
> >something of that high quality.
>
> Yes, I can. And yes, we do. That’s what we do at the ASF. It’s worked
> for many, many years, before, Apache Cassandra. It will work long after
> it too.
>
> >
> >Full disclosure, I am *not* on the PMC, nor am I an employee of DataStax
> or
> >any other company that provides support for an open source project. I am a
> >member of the community that sees the highest probability of success of
> >this project being that the PMC supports the development of the core
> >product while the ancillary pieces like documentation and drivers get
> >supported by those who are paid to support it.  Because lets all face the
> >facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I have
> >done both for this project.
>
> Plenty of people are paid to support OSS software, even OSS software at the
> ASF. But we must be diligent to wear our $dayjob hats, in contrast to the
> ASF hats, and to do what’s right for the effort at Apache, since in cases
> such as this, it is the *Apache* project, its community, and its license,
> that are friendly to downstream users (even companies).
>
> >
> >Suffice it to say, that in my opinion, these "companies" that you seem to
> >be trying so hard to vilify are the future of projects like this. They
> fill
> >the gap that the ASF leaves with its volunteer based model.
> >
> >Also, to address your thinly veiled and pointed comments as of late.  It
> >seems you have already made up your mind about DataStax and are continuing
> >in an effort to prove your point.  Doing this in a public manner is toxic
> >for the community and will do nothing more than to divide it and risk
> >failure of the project.  I suggest you confer with the PMC and the company
> >*privately* to determine what is best for the project and ultimately the
> >community.
>
> This statement above, sadly, indicates how broken the governance of
> this project is. 99% of all discussion in the ASF is public. The only
> discussion in private is that adding new PMC members and/or committers.
> Would have been nice for someone long long long before me, to tell you
> that.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> >
> >Best,
> >-Russell Bradberry
> >
> >On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> >chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >> While this may be a current great source of documentation on
> >> Cassandra, and while it exists externally, the PMC should be
> >> be promoting (and hopefully ensuring) that the source of documentation
> >> for Apache Cassandra is here at the ASF.
> >>
> >> I’m happy to be corrected that that is the case, and/or that
> >> I’ve missed something, but the first reply to questions like
> >> this from newbies shouldn’t be to point to an external website.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >> Chief Architect
> >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
> >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/11/16, 8:54 AM, "Bhuvan Rawal" <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi Deepak,
> >> >
> >> >You can try Datastax Docs, they are most extensive and updated
> >> >documentation available.
> >> >As Cassandra is a fast developing technology I wonder if there is a
> Book
> >> in
> >> >the market which covers latest features like Materialized Views/ SASI
> >> Index
> >> >or new SSTable Format. I believe the best starting point would be the
> >> >Academy Tutorials and further Planet Cassandra - A week in Cassandra
> >> series
> >> >provides good overview of blogs and developments by Cassandra
> Evangelists.
> >> >It also provides link of top blogs which help understand internal
> working
> >> >of the Database.
> >> >
> >> >However if you still feel the need, you may refer to books, here are
> some
> >> >that I know of -
> >> >Beginning Apache Cassandra Development - Vivek Mishra - 2014 - Link
> >> ><
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Apache-Cassandra-Development-Mishra/dp/1484201434
> >> >
> >> >Cassandra Data Modeling and Analysis - 2014 C.Y. Kan - Link
> >> ><
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Data-Modeling-Analysis-C-Y/dp/1783988886/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659906&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+data+modeling+and+analysis
> >> >
> >> >Mastering Apache Cassandra - Second Edition - March 26 2015 - Link
> >> ><
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784392618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1484201434&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=YVM1QBXHKAFK18J1XBAC
> >> >
> >> >Cassandra Design Patterns - 2015 - Link
> >> ><
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Design-Patterns-Rajanarayanan-Thottuvaikkatumana/dp/178528570X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659937&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+design+patterns
> >> >
> >> >Cassandra High Availability - 2014 - Link
> >> ><
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-High-Availability-Robbie-Strickland/dp/1783989122/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
> >> >
> >> >Learning Apache Cassandra - Manage Fault Tolerant and Scalable
> Real-Time
> >> >Data - 2015 - Link
> >> ><
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Apache-Cassandra-Tolerant-Real-Time/dp/1783989203/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-3&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Best Regards,
> >> >Bhuvan
> >> >Datastax Certified Architect
> >> >
> >> >On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Deepak Goel <de...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hey
> >> >>
> >> >> Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
> >> >>
> >> >> I am a newbie.
> >> >>
> >> >> Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank You
> >> >> Deepak
> >> >>    --
> >> >> Keigu
> >> >>
> >> >> Deepak
> >> >> 73500 12833
> >> >> www.simtree.net, deepak@simtree.net
> >> >> deicool@gmail.com
> >> >>
> >> >> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/deicool
> >> >> Skype: thumsupdeicool
> >> >> Google talk: deicool
> >> >> Blog: http://loveandfearless.wordpress.com
> >> >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/deicool
> >> >>
> >> >> "Contribute to the world, environment and more :
> >> >> http://www.gridrepublic.org
> >> >> "
> >> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>.

Hi Russell,

[CC/board@, board members may want to join the 
Apache Cassandra lists for specifics and further
engagement]

Multiple things that need to be addressed below, but TL;DR:

1. I have asked the Apache Cassandra PMC, and its chair, to provide
a detailed description on how the project *isn’t* controlled by an
external entity in its next monthly board report. The below further
re-enforces the control. Further, it re-enforces the vitriol and
name calling attitude when questioned and when someone suggests
pointing to the Apache documentation and making it better as a first
step. I plan on making it very loudly known at our next board meeting
that something is awry. CC/board@ ahead of time on that.

2. You don’t seem to understand Apache. This is unfortunate.  I
went to go look you up and see if you are a PMC member for Apache
Cassandra. Funny enough, the main page doesn’t even link to the PMC
(I couldn’t find a direct link). This isn’t even correct with respect
to Apache branding guidelines here at the ASF. Shane, would you
like to comment here? For an FYI to everyone, see:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html

After a Google Search, I found this page:
https://wiki.apache.org/cassandra/Committers

That looks way out of date. Luckily there is the project.apache.org
ASF page: https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?cassandra

Which indicates you aren’t a committer or PMC member of the project.
This is unfortunate. If you wrote a book for projects I work on, I
would have hopefully long before and along the way got involved in
the community, and encouraged you to contribute to the *core effort
here at the ASF* and took you on the path towards becoming a PMC
member in the *Apache project that is the core effort*.

In short, I can see why you don’t understand Apache. It’s likely
due to the fact that the Apache Cassandra PMC doesn’t seem to get
it either. If they did, they would have worked to explain it to
you.  More on that later.

3. The fact that you think “the companies that I try to [sic] vilify
are the *future* of projects like this” isn’t just a statement that
indicates you don’t get Apache. That someone in the community (which
includes you even though you aren’t a committer or on the PMC) would
think the “companies” are the “future” of any ASF project is just
way way bad. Like way bad. Off the rails bad. We are *individuals*
here, not companies.

4. You state you have wrote drivers and documentation for this
project.  Yet you aren’t a PMC member or committer at the ASF. Ever
scratch your head and wonder why? By itself, again, sometimes there
are reasons for this. Taken in context, there is something REALLY
wrong here.

Now, more specific replies inline below. Jonathan and PMC members
for Apache Cassandra. Please take time to explain in your report
what’s going on. I’m hopeful with mentorship and guidance and time
this can be addressed but right now, not really happy with what 
I’m seeing.

**********
Specific comments

On 6/11/16, 9:48 AM, "Russell Bradberry" <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I respectfully disagree.  "Newbies" should be pointed in the direction that
>will ensure the highest possibility of their success with the product.
>This is the best decision for the project, regardless of where the
>documentation may reside.

While I agree with pointing Newbies to the point where 
there is the best documentation - I don’t agree that place
should be outside of the Apache project.

>
>As one of the authors of an early book on Cassandra, the reason we wrote it
>was because the ASF documentation was abysmal. 

What did you do to try and counteract this? Did you attempt to submit
documentation patches and/or to submit documentation that would address
that? 

> Now I am happy to say that
>the book I wrote is obsolete, not just because it was written against an
>early version of Cassandra, but because the external documentation is so
>thorough the need for a book to be written in no longer present.

I had no problem with your statement until you put “external” before the
word “documentation”.

>
>If the ASF and the PMC want to promote internal documentation, then a
>serious amount of time and effort needs to be put into the documentation.
>This goes for every project in the ASF. The current state of documentation
>in any of the Apache projects sub-standard at best.

This, unfortunately, is a strawman. I tell you that ASF projects should have
the documentation that is required to run and should be the *first* place
you point users to for your documentation. You respond, well the ASF projects
have crappy documentation as a whole. I totally disagree with that. Here’s
some examples: Tika, Nutch, Solr/Lucene, Subversion, HTTPD, Spark, Hadoop,
Maven, I could easily go on.

A project that has been around as long as *Apache* (note I keep putting
*Apache* in front of the project name too - something I don’t see all too
often so far and something you should get used to) Cassandra should know
better. This isn’t a new Incubator project.

>
>You make mention, several times, of the community, and in this case the
>community has decided that the best source of documentation is the one that
>has had a company put financial investment into it.  You can't expect a
>community of unpaid volunteers to be able to coordinate and contribute
>something of that high quality.

Yes, I can. And yes, we do. That’s what we do at the ASF. It’s worked
for many, many years, before, Apache Cassandra. It will work long after 
it too.

>
>Full disclosure, I am *not* on the PMC, nor am I an employee of DataStax or
>any other company that provides support for an open source project. I am a
>member of the community that sees the highest probability of success of
>this project being that the PMC supports the development of the core
>product while the ancillary pieces like documentation and drivers get
>supported by those who are paid to support it.  Because lets all face the
>facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I have
>done both for this project.

Plenty of people are paid to support OSS software, even OSS software at the
ASF. But we must be diligent to wear our $dayjob hats, in contrast to the
ASF hats, and to do what’s right for the effort at Apache, since in cases
such as this, it is the *Apache* project, its community, and its license,
that are friendly to downstream users (even companies).

>
>Suffice it to say, that in my opinion, these "companies" that you seem to
>be trying so hard to vilify are the future of projects like this. They fill
>the gap that the ASF leaves with its volunteer based model.
>
>Also, to address your thinly veiled and pointed comments as of late.  It
>seems you have already made up your mind about DataStax and are continuing
>in an effort to prove your point.  Doing this in a public manner is toxic
>for the community and will do nothing more than to divide it and risk
>failure of the project.  I suggest you confer with the PMC and the company
>*privately* to determine what is best for the project and ultimately the
>community.

This statement above, sadly, indicates how broken the governance of
this project is. 99% of all discussion in the ASF is public. The only
discussion in private is that adding new PMC members and/or committers.
Would have been nice for someone long long long before me, to tell you
that.

Cheers,
Chris

>
>Best,
>-Russell Bradberry
>
>On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> While this may be a current great source of documentation on
>> Cassandra, and while it exists externally, the PMC should be
>> be promoting (and hopefully ensuring) that the source of documentation
>> for Apache Cassandra is here at the ASF.
>>
>> I’m happy to be corrected that that is the case, and/or that
>> I’ve missed something, but the first reply to questions like
>> this from newbies shouldn’t be to point to an external website.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Chief Architect
>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/11/16, 8:54 AM, "Bhuvan Rawal" <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Deepak,
>> >
>> >You can try Datastax Docs, they are most extensive and updated
>> >documentation available.
>> >As Cassandra is a fast developing technology I wonder if there is a Book
>> in
>> >the market which covers latest features like Materialized Views/ SASI
>> Index
>> >or new SSTable Format. I believe the best starting point would be the
>> >Academy Tutorials and further Planet Cassandra - A week in Cassandra
>> series
>> >provides good overview of blogs and developments by Cassandra Evangelists.
>> >It also provides link of top blogs which help understand internal working
>> >of the Database.
>> >
>> >However if you still feel the need, you may refer to books, here are some
>> >that I know of -
>> >Beginning Apache Cassandra Development - Vivek Mishra - 2014 - Link
>> ><
>> https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Apache-Cassandra-Development-Mishra/dp/1484201434
>> >
>> >Cassandra Data Modeling and Analysis - 2014 C.Y. Kan - Link
>> ><
>> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Data-Modeling-Analysis-C-Y/dp/1783988886/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659906&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+data+modeling+and+analysis
>> >
>> >Mastering Apache Cassandra - Second Edition - March 26 2015 - Link
>> ><
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784392618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1484201434&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=YVM1QBXHKAFK18J1XBAC
>> >
>> >Cassandra Design Patterns - 2015 - Link
>> ><
>> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Design-Patterns-Rajanarayanan-Thottuvaikkatumana/dp/178528570X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659937&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+design+patterns
>> >
>> >Cassandra High Availability - 2014 - Link
>> ><
>> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-High-Availability-Robbie-Strickland/dp/1783989122/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
>> >
>> >Learning Apache Cassandra - Manage Fault Tolerant and Scalable Real-Time
>> >Data - 2015 - Link
>> ><
>> https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Apache-Cassandra-Tolerant-Real-Time/dp/1783989203/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-3&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
>> >
>> >
>> >Best Regards,
>> >Bhuvan
>> >Datastax Certified Architect
>> >
>> >On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Deepak Goel <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hey
>> >>
>> >> Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
>> >>
>> >> I am a newbie.
>> >>
>> >> Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?
>> >>
>> >> Thank You
>> >> Deepak
>> >>    --
>> >> Keigu
>> >>
>> >> Deepak
>> >> 73500 12833
>> >> www.simtree.net, deepak@simtree.net
>> >> deicool@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/deicool
>> >> Skype: thumsupdeicool
>> >> Google talk: deicool
>> >> Blog: http://loveandfearless.wordpress.com
>> >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/deicool
>> >>
>> >> "Contribute to the world, environment and more :
>> >> http://www.gridrepublic.org
>> >> "
>> >>
>>

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by Jonathan Ellis <jb...@gmail.com>.

It's really not open to debate that the Project needs to provide adequate
documentation.  We have dropped the ball on this as a community since Moin
became unusable, but we are now coordinating the replacement on
CASSANDRA-8700 and should have a first version as soon as a week from now.

There is a lot of precedent for community members to author books or other
material as well, but these must supplement the Project documentation and
not replace it.

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Russell Bradberry <rb...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I respectfully disagree.  "Newbies" should be pointed in the direction that
> will ensure the highest possibility of their success with the product.
> This is the best decision for the project, regardless of where the
> documentation may reside.
>
> As one of the authors of an early book on Cassandra, the reason we wrote it
> was because the ASF documentation was abysmal.  Now I am happy to say that
> the book I wrote is obsolete, not just because it was written against an
> early version of Cassandra, but because the external documentation is so
> thorough the need for a book to be written in no longer present.
>
> If the ASF and the PMC want to promote internal documentation, then a
> serious amount of time and effort needs to be put into the documentation.
> This goes for every project in the ASF. The current state of documentation
> in any of the Apache projects sub-standard at best.
>
> You make mention, several times, of the community, and in this case the
> community has decided that the best source of documentation is the one that
> has had a company put financial investment into it.  You can't expect a
> community of unpaid volunteers to be able to coordinate and contribute
> something of that high quality.
>
> Full disclosure, I am *not* on the PMC, nor am I an employee of DataStax or
> any other company that provides support for an open source project. I am a
> member of the community that sees the highest probability of success of
> this project being that the PMC supports the development of the core
> product while the ancillary pieces like documentation and drivers get
> supported by those who are paid to support it.  Because lets all face the
> facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I have
> done both for this project.
>
> Suffice it to say, that in my opinion, these "companies" that you seem to
> be trying so hard to vilify are the future of projects like this. They fill
> the gap that the ASF leaves with its volunteer based model.
>
> Also, to address your thinly veiled and pointed comments as of late.  It
> seems you have already made up your mind about DataStax and are continuing
> in an effort to prove your point.  Doing this in a public manner is toxic
> for the community and will do nothing more than to divide it and risk
> failure of the project.  I suggest you confer with the PMC and the company
> *privately* to determine what is best for the project and ultimately the
> community.
>
> Best,
> -Russell Bradberry
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > While this may be a current great source of documentation on
> > Cassandra, and while it exists externally, the PMC should be
> > be promoting (and hopefully ensuring) that the source of documentation
> > for Apache Cassandra is here at the ASF.
> >
> > I’m happy to be corrected that that is the case, and/or that
> > I’ve missed something, but the first reply to questions like
> > this from newbies shouldn’t be to point to an external website.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > Chief Architect
> > Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
> > Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/11/16, 8:54 AM, "Bhuvan Rawal" <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Deepak,
> > >
> > >You can try Datastax Docs, they are most extensive and updated
> > >documentation available.
> > >As Cassandra is a fast developing technology I wonder if there is a Book
> > in
> > >the market which covers latest features like Materialized Views/ SASI
> > Index
> > >or new SSTable Format. I believe the best starting point would be the
> > >Academy Tutorials and further Planet Cassandra - A week in Cassandra
> > series
> > >provides good overview of blogs and developments by Cassandra
> Evangelists.
> > >It also provides link of top blogs which help understand internal
> working
> > >of the Database.
> > >
> > >However if you still feel the need, you may refer to books, here are
> some
> > >that I know of -
> > >Beginning Apache Cassandra Development - Vivek Mishra - 2014 - Link
> > ><
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Apache-Cassandra-Development-Mishra/dp/1484201434
> > >
> > >Cassandra Data Modeling and Analysis - 2014 C.Y. Kan - Link
> > ><
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Data-Modeling-Analysis-C-Y/dp/1783988886/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659906&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+data+modeling+and+analysis
> > >
> > >Mastering Apache Cassandra - Second Edition - March 26 2015 - Link
> > ><
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784392618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1484201434&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=YVM1QBXHKAFK18J1XBAC
> > >
> > >Cassandra Design Patterns - 2015 - Link
> > ><
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Design-Patterns-Rajanarayanan-Thottuvaikkatumana/dp/178528570X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659937&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+design+patterns
> > >
> > >Cassandra High Availability - 2014 - Link
> > ><
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-High-Availability-Robbie-Strickland/dp/1783989122/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
> > >
> > >Learning Apache Cassandra - Manage Fault Tolerant and Scalable Real-Time
> > >Data - 2015 - Link
> > ><
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Apache-Cassandra-Tolerant-Real-Time/dp/1783989203/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-3&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
> > >
> > >
> > >Best Regards,
> > >Bhuvan
> > >Datastax Certified Architect
> > >
> > >On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Deepak Goel <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hey
> > >>
> > >> Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
> > >>
> > >> I am a newbie.
> > >>
> > >> Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?
> > >>
> > >> Thank You
> > >> Deepak
> > >>    --
> > >> Keigu
> > >>
> > >> Deepak
> > >> 73500 12833
> > >> www.simtree.net, deepak@simtree.net
> > >> deicool@gmail.com
> > >>
> > >> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/deicool
> > >> Skype: thumsupdeicool
> > >> Google talk: deicool
> > >> Blog: http://loveandfearless.wordpress.com
> > >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/deicool
> > >>
> > >> "Contribute to the world, environment and more :
> > >> http://www.gridrepublic.org
> > >> "
> > >>
> >
>



-- 
Jonathan Ellis
Project Chair, Apache Cassandra
co-founder, http://www.datastax.com
@spyced

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by Russell Bradberry <rb...@gmail.com>.

I respectfully disagree.  "Newbies" should be pointed in the direction that
will ensure the highest possibility of their success with the product.
This is the best decision for the project, regardless of where the
documentation may reside.

As one of the authors of an early book on Cassandra, the reason we wrote it
was because the ASF documentation was abysmal.  Now I am happy to say that
the book I wrote is obsolete, not just because it was written against an
early version of Cassandra, but because the external documentation is so
thorough the need for a book to be written in no longer present.

If the ASF and the PMC want to promote internal documentation, then a
serious amount of time and effort needs to be put into the documentation.
This goes for every project in the ASF. The current state of documentation
in any of the Apache projects sub-standard at best.

You make mention, several times, of the community, and in this case the
community has decided that the best source of documentation is the one that
has had a company put financial investment into it.  You can't expect a
community of unpaid volunteers to be able to coordinate and contribute
something of that high quality.

Full disclosure, I am *not* on the PMC, nor am I an employee of DataStax or
any other company that provides support for an open source project. I am a
member of the community that sees the highest probability of success of
this project being that the PMC supports the development of the core
product while the ancillary pieces like documentation and drivers get
supported by those who are paid to support it.  Because lets all face the
facts here, no one "likes" writing drivers and documentation, and I have
done both for this project.

Suffice it to say, that in my opinion, these "companies" that you seem to
be trying so hard to vilify are the future of projects like this. They fill
the gap that the ASF leaves with its volunteer based model.

Also, to address your thinly veiled and pointed comments as of late.  It
seems you have already made up your mind about DataStax and are continuing
in an effort to prove your point.  Doing this in a public manner is toxic
for the community and will do nothing more than to divide it and risk
failure of the project.  I suggest you confer with the PMC and the company
*privately* to determine what is best for the project and ultimately the
community.

Best,
-Russell Bradberry

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> While this may be a current great source of documentation on
> Cassandra, and while it exists externally, the PMC should be
> be promoting (and hopefully ensuring) that the source of documentation
> for Apache Cassandra is here at the ASF.
>
> I’m happy to be corrected that that is the case, and/or that
> I’ve missed something, but the first reply to questions like
> this from newbies shouldn’t be to point to an external website.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/11/16, 8:54 AM, "Bhuvan Rawal" <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi Deepak,
> >
> >You can try Datastax Docs, they are most extensive and updated
> >documentation available.
> >As Cassandra is a fast developing technology I wonder if there is a Book
> in
> >the market which covers latest features like Materialized Views/ SASI
> Index
> >or new SSTable Format. I believe the best starting point would be the
> >Academy Tutorials and further Planet Cassandra - A week in Cassandra
> series
> >provides good overview of blogs and developments by Cassandra Evangelists.
> >It also provides link of top blogs which help understand internal working
> >of the Database.
> >
> >However if you still feel the need, you may refer to books, here are some
> >that I know of -
> >Beginning Apache Cassandra Development - Vivek Mishra - 2014 - Link
> ><
> https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Apache-Cassandra-Development-Mishra/dp/1484201434
> >
> >Cassandra Data Modeling and Analysis - 2014 C.Y. Kan - Link
> ><
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Data-Modeling-Analysis-C-Y/dp/1783988886/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659906&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+data+modeling+and+analysis
> >
> >Mastering Apache Cassandra - Second Edition - March 26 2015 - Link
> ><
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784392618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1484201434&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=YVM1QBXHKAFK18J1XBAC
> >
> >Cassandra Design Patterns - 2015 - Link
> ><
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Design-Patterns-Rajanarayanan-Thottuvaikkatumana/dp/178528570X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659937&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+design+patterns
> >
> >Cassandra High Availability - 2014 - Link
> ><
> https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-High-Availability-Robbie-Strickland/dp/1783989122/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
> >
> >Learning Apache Cassandra - Manage Fault Tolerant and Scalable Real-Time
> >Data - 2015 - Link
> ><
> https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Apache-Cassandra-Tolerant-Real-Time/dp/1783989203/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-3&keywords=cassandra+high+availability
> >
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >Bhuvan
> >Datastax Certified Architect
> >
> >On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Deepak Goel <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hey
> >>
> >> Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
> >>
> >> I am a newbie.
> >>
> >> Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?
> >>
> >> Thank You
> >> Deepak
> >>    --
> >> Keigu
> >>
> >> Deepak
> >> 73500 12833
> >> www.simtree.net, deepak@simtree.net
> >> deicool@gmail.com
> >>
> >> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/deicool
> >> Skype: thumsupdeicool
> >> Google talk: deicool
> >> Blog: http://loveandfearless.wordpress.com
> >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/deicool
> >>
> >> "Contribute to the world, environment and more :
> >> http://www.gridrepublic.org
> >> "
> >>
>

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.

Hi Everyone,

While this may be a current great source of documentation on 
Cassandra, and while it exists externally, the PMC should be 
be promoting (and hopefully ensuring) that the source of documentation
for Apache Cassandra is here at the ASF.

I’m happy to be corrected that that is the case, and/or that 
I’ve missed something, but the first reply to questions like
this from newbies shouldn’t be to point to an external website.

Cheers,
Chris

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++









On 6/11/16, 8:54 AM, "Bhuvan Rawal" <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi Deepak,
>
>You can try Datastax Docs, they are most extensive and updated
>documentation available.
>As Cassandra is a fast developing technology I wonder if there is a Book in
>the market which covers latest features like Materialized Views/ SASI Index
>or new SSTable Format. I believe the best starting point would be the
>Academy Tutorials and further Planet Cassandra - A week in Cassandra series
>provides good overview of blogs and developments by Cassandra Evangelists.
>It also provides link of top blogs which help understand internal working
>of the Database.
>
>However if you still feel the need, you may refer to books, here are some
>that I know of -
>Beginning Apache Cassandra Development - Vivek Mishra - 2014 - Link
><https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Apache-Cassandra-Development-Mishra/dp/1484201434>
>Cassandra Data Modeling and Analysis - 2014 C.Y. Kan - Link
><https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Data-Modeling-Analysis-C-Y/dp/1783988886/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659906&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+data+modeling+and+analysis>
>Mastering Apache Cassandra - Second Edition - March 26 2015 - Link
><https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784392618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1484201434&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=YVM1QBXHKAFK18J1XBAC>
>Cassandra Design Patterns - 2015 - Link
><https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Design-Patterns-Rajanarayanan-Thottuvaikkatumana/dp/178528570X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659937&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+design+patterns>
>Cassandra High Availability - 2014 - Link
><https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-High-Availability-Robbie-Strickland/dp/1783989122/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+high+availability>
>Learning Apache Cassandra - Manage Fault Tolerant and Scalable Real-Time
>Data - 2015 - Link
><https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Apache-Cassandra-Tolerant-Real-Time/dp/1783989203/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-3&keywords=cassandra+high+availability>
>
>Best Regards,
>Bhuvan
>Datastax Certified Architect
>
>On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Deepak Goel <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey
>>
>> Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
>>
>> I am a newbie.
>>
>> Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?
>>
>> Thank You
>> Deepak
>>    --
>> Keigu
>>
>> Deepak
>> 73500 12833
>> www.simtree.net, deepak@simtree.net
>> deicool@gmail.com
>>
>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/deicool
>> Skype: thumsupdeicool
>> Google talk: deicool
>> Blog: http://loveandfearless.wordpress.com
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/deicool
>>
>> "Contribute to the world, environment and more :
>> http://www.gridrepublic.org
>> "
>>

Re: NewBie Question ~ Book for Cassandra

Posted by Bhuvan Rawal <bh...@gmail.com>.

Hi Deepak,

You can try Datastax Docs, they are most extensive and updated
documentation available.
As Cassandra is a fast developing technology I wonder if there is a Book in
the market which covers latest features like Materialized Views/ SASI Index
or new SSTable Format. I believe the best starting point would be the
Academy Tutorials and further Planet Cassandra - A week in Cassandra series
provides good overview of blogs and developments by Cassandra Evangelists.
It also provides link of top blogs which help understand internal working
of the Database.

However if you still feel the need, you may refer to books, here are some
that I know of -
Beginning Apache Cassandra Development - Vivek Mishra - 2014 - Link
<https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Apache-Cassandra-Development-Mishra/dp/1484201434>
Cassandra Data Modeling and Analysis - 2014 C.Y. Kan - Link
<https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Data-Modeling-Analysis-C-Y/dp/1783988886/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659906&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+data+modeling+and+analysis>
Mastering Apache Cassandra - Second Edition - March 26 2015 - Link
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1784392618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1484201434&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=YVM1QBXHKAFK18J1XBAC>
Cassandra Design Patterns - 2015 - Link
<https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Design-Patterns-Rajanarayanan-Thottuvaikkatumana/dp/178528570X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659937&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+design+patterns>
Cassandra High Availability - 2014 - Link
<https://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-High-Availability-Robbie-Strickland/dp/1783989122/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-1&keywords=cassandra+high+availability>
Learning Apache Cassandra - Manage Fault Tolerant and Scalable Real-Time
Data - 2015 - Link
<https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Apache-Cassandra-Tolerant-Real-Time/dp/1783989203/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465659975&sr=1-3&keywords=cassandra+high+availability>

Best Regards,
Bhuvan
Datastax Certified Architect

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Deepak Goel <de...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey
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> Namaskara~Nalama~Guten Tag~Bonjour
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> I am a newbie.
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> Which would be the best book for a newbie to learn Cassandra?
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> Thank You
> Deepak
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