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Posted to general@gump.apache.org by Steve Loughran <st...@apache.org> on 2006/03/10 14:25:44 UTC
hibernate3 + EJB stuff?
I have a (low priority) need for hibernate3 and the EJB plugin. Has
anyone approached the hibernate people about joining gump?
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Re: hibernate3 + EJB stuff?
Posted by Michael McCallum <gh...@xtra.co.nz>.
you could check the mojo hibernate3 plugin for dependencies
http://mojo.codehaus.org/hibernate3-maven-plugin/
On Tuesday 14 March 2006 02:31, Steve Loughran wrote:
> Bill Barker wrote:
> > "Steve Loughran" <st...@apache.org> wrote in message
> > news:44117E58.7080409@apache.org...
> >
> >> I have a (low priority) need for hibernate3 and the EJB plugin. Has
> >> anyone approached the hibernate people about joining gump?
> >
> > Joining Gump is better than not (since there is some hope of support from
> > the developers then, as well as a <nag /> :), but it's not a
> > prerequisite. As long as they provide a public check-out, it's simply Ok
> > to go ahead and add it to Gump. We already have several OS projects
> > (e.g. htmlunit) that we've simply gone ahead and added without asking.
> > If you don't ask, just make sure that you don't <nag /> back to their
> > list.
>
> yeah, its just I'm scared of the effort it would take to set up
> hibernate's dependencies. Also, I like projects that care about gump
> failing. I'll do it if I have to, but only when I need to.
>
>
>
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Re: hibernate3 + EJB stuff?
Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@apache.org>.
Bill Barker wrote:
> "Steve Loughran" <st...@apache.org> wrote in message
> news:44117E58.7080409@apache.org...
>>
>> I have a (low priority) need for hibernate3 and the EJB plugin. Has
>> anyone approached the hibernate people about joining gump?
>
> Joining Gump is better than not (since there is some hope of support from
> the developers then, as well as a <nag /> :), but it's not a prerequisite.
> As long as they provide a public check-out, it's simply Ok to go ahead and
> add it to Gump. We already have several OS projects (e.g. htmlunit) that
> we've simply gone ahead and added without asking. If you don't ask, just
> make sure that you don't <nag /> back to their list.
yeah, its just I'm scared of the effort it would take to set up
hibernate's dependencies. Also, I like projects that care about gump
failing. I'll do it if I have to, but only when I need to.
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Re: hibernate3 + EJB stuff?
Posted by Bill Barker <wb...@wilshire.com>.
"Steve Loughran" <st...@apache.org> wrote in message
news:44117E58.7080409@apache.org...
>
>
> I have a (low priority) need for hibernate3 and the EJB plugin. Has
> anyone approached the hibernate people about joining gump?
Joining Gump is better than not (since there is some hope of support from
the developers then, as well as a <nag /> :), but it's not a prerequisite.
As long as they provide a public check-out, it's simply Ok to go ahead and
add it to Gump. We already have several OS projects (e.g. htmlunit) that
we've simply gone ahead and added without asking. If you don't ask, just
make sure that you don't <nag /> back to their list.
Gump's current policy is to not re-distribute any jars from the Gump build,
so Geir's licensing concerns are a non-issue for Gump. Of course, it may be
an issue for your projects, but that's [OT] ;-).
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Re: hibernate3 + EJB stuff?
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
Makes sense.
The problem w/ hibernate, of course, is the license :) (IMO)
I'm interested to see what you think when you can play with OpenJPA...
geir
Steve Loughran wrote:
> Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>> why not use the upcoming OpenJPA? Apache licensed, same API :)
>
> good q.
>
> This is the code to the forthcoming 2nd edition of "Java dev with Ant",
> and I chose the jboss/hibernate path because it is the market leader. I
> do take the time out to say bad things about the JBoss classloader,
> because its silly. Do you know they fixed it in 4.02 to be sensible, and
> then on 4.0.3 reverted it to broken for backwards compat? And in the
> install dialog it says something unimportant like "use common
> classloader for performance" next to the check box, instead of "use
> stupid brittle classloader that wont let two webapps run different
> versions of log4j side-by-side?".
>
> I actually run hibernate and ejb3 persistence API side-by-side, and came
> out more in favour of the hibernate implementation than their ejb3 layer
> on top. Because it had quirks (like exceptions not matching the spec),
> and I could assume different impls. would have different quirks. If you
> stick w/ pure hibernate you get consistent behaviour. Non portable,
> true, but consistent.
>
> so the only issue is : how much do you value portability? Especially
> when there is nothing to stop you embedding hibernate in anything,
> client or server...
>
> -steve
>
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Re: hibernate3 + EJB stuff?
Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@apache.org>.
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> why not use the upcoming OpenJPA? Apache licensed, same API :)
good q.
This is the code to the forthcoming 2nd edition of "Java dev with Ant",
and I chose the jboss/hibernate path because it is the market leader. I
do take the time out to say bad things about the JBoss classloader,
because its silly. Do you know they fixed it in 4.02 to be sensible, and
then on 4.0.3 reverted it to broken for backwards compat? And in the
install dialog it says something unimportant like "use common
classloader for performance" next to the check box, instead of "use
stupid brittle classloader that wont let two webapps run different
versions of log4j side-by-side?".
I actually run hibernate and ejb3 persistence API side-by-side, and came
out more in favour of the hibernate implementation than their ejb3 layer
on top. Because it had quirks (like exceptions not matching the spec),
and I could assume different impls. would have different quirks. If you
stick w/ pure hibernate you get consistent behaviour. Non portable,
true, but consistent.
so the only issue is : how much do you value portability? Especially
when there is nothing to stop you embedding hibernate in anything,
client or server...
-steve
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Re: hibernate3 + EJB stuff?
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
why not use the upcoming OpenJPA? Apache licensed, same API :)
Steve Loughran wrote:
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>
> I have a (low priority) need for hibernate3 and the EJB plugin. Has
> anyone approached the hibernate people about joining gump?
>
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