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[DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Hi all guys,
I'm almost ready to submit a new proposal I'm preparing on Wiki[1] for
Apache OGNL.
The idea is importing the OGNL project under the Apache umbrella and,
once/if ready, be promoted in Apache Commons - the Commons PMC already
voted to be the Sponsor.
All legal issues have been resolved, we have the Champion - Lukasz
Lenart - and a great Mentor - Olivier Lamy - what we miss are 2 more
mentors... any volunteer? :)
It would be nice also if you can provide your feedbacks, once raw the proposal.
Many thanks in advance, have a nice day!!!
Simo
[1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OGNLProposal
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
>>
>
> I added Apache Tiles, that uses OGNL through an optional module.
>
> Antonio
>
Great, thanks!!!
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>.
2011/4/8 Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com>
> In the relationship with other Apache Projects section, project iBatis has
> been retired. You could add however Apache Camel which is using ognl
> expressions for routing/filtering etc.
>
I added Apache Tiles, that uses OGNL through an optional module.
Antonio
Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com>.
Hi and good luck with your proposal.
please find below my feedback to your proposal.
In the relationship with other Apache Projects section, project iBatis has
been retired. You could add however Apache Camel which is using ognl
expressions for routing/filtering etc.
I hope that helps!
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>wrote:
> Hi all guys,
> I'm almost ready to submit a new proposal I'm preparing on Wiki[1] for
> Apache OGNL.
> The idea is importing the OGNL project under the Apache umbrella and,
> once/if ready, be promoted in Apache Commons - the Commons PMC already
> voted to be the Sponsor.
> All legal issues have been resolved, we have the Champion - Lukasz
> Lenart - and a great Mentor - Olivier Lamy - what we miss are 2 more
> mentors... any volunteer? :)
> It would be nice also if you can provide your feedbacks, once raw the
> proposal.
> Many thanks in advance, have a nice day!!!
> Simo
>
> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OGNLProposal
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://www.99soft.org/
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com>.
I can recall a lot of projects moving to apache from source-forge (e.g.
jenna, opennlp), codehaus (e.g. servicemix) and none of them had trademark
related issues.
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> as Jochen reported, this is the original project donated to the ASF,
> under the signed Software Grant by Marc Andrew "Drew" Davidson, the
> original OGNL author.
> BTW I'll write as well to trademarks@a.o to clarify, thanks for
> suggesting :)
>
> The difference with EL is in the OGNL definition itself: "a Java
> development framework for Object-Graph Navigation Language, plus other
> extras such as list projection and selection and lambda expressions"
>
> Alles gute!
> Simo
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Jochen Wiedmann
> <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> wrote:
> >
> >> +1 for a rename. Using an established project name might create problems
> with the trademark. Best you ping trademarks@a.o about it.
> >
> > I think, there is a misunderstandment. This is *the* OGNL project, we
> > are talking about and not a followup. Of course, trademark researches
> > are in order, as always when entering the incubator, but apart from
> > that, there should be no problem with the name OGNL.
> >
> > Jochen
> >
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Hi!!!
Also Lucene comes from sourceforge and kept its name :P
Merci Olivier, I'm going to write that mail just now, thanks!!!
Simo
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On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> +1 to keep the name as long as we have all clearly signed donation
> papers from the original authors.
>
> Maybe you could ask too on legal-discuss@a.o ?
>
> /Olivier
>
> 2011/4/8 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
>> Hi Mark,
>> as Jochen reported, this is the original project donated to the ASF,
>> under the signed Software Grant by Marc Andrew "Drew" Davidson, the
>> original OGNL author.
>> BTW I'll write as well to trademarks@a.o to clarify, thanks for suggesting :)
>>
>> The difference with EL is in the OGNL definition itself: "a Java
>> development framework for Object-Graph Navigation Language, plus other
>> extras such as list projection and selection and lambda expressions"
>>
>> Alles gute!
>> Simo
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Jochen Wiedmann
>> <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 for a rename. Using an established project name might create problems with the trademark. Best you ping trademarks@a.o about it.
>>>
>>> I think, there is a misunderstandment. This is *the* OGNL project, we
>>> are talking about and not a followup. Of course, trademark researches
>>> are in order, as always when entering the incubator, but apart from
>>> that, there should be no problem with the name OGNL.
>>>
>>> Jochen
>>>
>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org>.
Hello,
+1 to keep the name as long as we have all clearly signed donation
papers from the original authors.
Maybe you could ask too on legal-discuss@a.o ?
/Olivier
2011/4/8 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
> Hi Mark,
> as Jochen reported, this is the original project donated to the ASF,
> under the signed Software Grant by Marc Andrew "Drew" Davidson, the
> original OGNL author.
> BTW I'll write as well to trademarks@a.o to clarify, thanks for suggesting :)
>
> The difference with EL is in the OGNL definition itself: "a Java
> development framework for Object-Graph Navigation Language, plus other
> extras such as list projection and selection and lambda expressions"
>
> Alles gute!
> Simo
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Jochen Wiedmann
> <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for a rename. Using an established project name might create problems with the trademark. Best you ping trademarks@a.o about it.
>>
>> I think, there is a misunderstandment. This is *the* OGNL project, we
>> are talking about and not a followup. Of course, trademark researches
>> are in order, as always when entering the incubator, but apart from
>> that, there should be no problem with the name OGNL.
>>
>> Jochen
>>
>>
>> --
>> I Am What I Am And That's All What I Yam (Popeye)
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Hi Mark,
as Jochen reported, this is the original project donated to the ASF,
under the signed Software Grant by Marc Andrew "Drew" Davidson, the
original OGNL author.
BTW I'll write as well to trademarks@a.o to clarify, thanks for suggesting :)
The difference with EL is in the OGNL definition itself: "a Java
development framework for Object-Graph Navigation Language, plus other
extras such as list projection and selection and lambda expressions"
Alles gute!
Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Jochen Wiedmann
<jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>> +1 for a rename. Using an established project name might create problems with the trademark. Best you ping trademarks@a.o about it.
>
> I think, there is a misunderstandment. This is *the* OGNL project, we
> are talking about and not a followup. Of course, trademark researches
> are in order, as always when entering the incubator, but apart from
> that, there should be no problem with the name OGNL.
>
> Jochen
>
>
> --
> I Am What I Am And That's All What I Yam (Popeye)
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> +1 for a rename. Using an established project name might create problems with the trademark. Best you ping trademarks@a.o about it.
I think, there is a misunderstandment. This is *the* OGNL project, we
are talking about and not a followup. Of course, trademark researches
are in order, as always when entering the incubator, but apart from
that, there should be no problem with the name OGNL.
Jochen
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
Hi!
+1 for a rename. Using an established project name might create problems with the trademark. Best you ping trademarks@a.o about it.
Btw: where is the difference between OGNL and EL-2.2 from a practical view?
LieGrue,
strub
--- On Fri, 4/8/11, Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org> wrote:
> From: Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 9:13 AM
> Due to a misunderstanding (my bad!!!)
> I didn't add Jochen Wiedmann in
> the Mentors list, I already added him in the Mentors List.
> So now we're looking for at least one more mentor that will
> help up!!!
> Volunteers are welcome :)
> Many thanks in advance
> Simo
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch>
> wrote:
> > The reference to "Ogre" did cross my mind. But the
> emphasis is on the "O",
> > not the "a". ;-)
> >
> > On 08.04.2011 10:00:10 Antonio Petrelli wrote:
> >> 2011/4/8 Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch>
> >>
> >> > How about
> >> > calling it Apache (Commons) Ogranal?
> >>
> >>
> >> Are you serious? Ogr(e)anal? :-D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeremias Maerki
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Due to a misunderstanding (my bad!!!) I didn't add Jochen Wiedmann in
the Mentors list, I already added him in the Mentors List.
So now we're looking for at least one more mentor that will help up!!!
Volunteers are welcome :)
Many thanks in advance
Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch> wrote:
> The reference to "Ogre" did cross my mind. But the emphasis is on the "O",
> not the "a". ;-)
>
> On 08.04.2011 10:00:10 Antonio Petrelli wrote:
>> 2011/4/8 Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch>
>>
>> > How about
>> > calling it Apache (Commons) Ogranal?
>>
>>
>> Are you serious? Ogr(e)anal? :-D
>
>
>
>
> Jeremias Maerki
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch>.
The reference to "Ogre" did cross my mind. But the emphasis is on the "O",
not the "a". ;-)
On 08.04.2011 10:00:10 Antonio Petrelli wrote:
> 2011/4/8 Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch>
>
> > How about
> > calling it Apache (Commons) Ogranal?
>
>
> Are you serious? Ogr(e)anal? :-D
Jeremias Maerki
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>.
2011/4/8 Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch>
> How about
> calling it Apache (Commons) Ogranal?
Are you serious? Ogr(e)anal? :-D
Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Hi Upayavira,
thanks, sure, going to do it NOW! :)
Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> You've certainly answered my questions. I'd suggest you also post this
> info to legal-discuss to close off the thread there, for historical
> reasons at least!
>
> Upayavira
>
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:01 +0200, "Simone Tripodi"
> <si...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hi again guys,
>> just to follow-up the discussion, OGNL is owned by Marc Andrew
>> Davidson, that's the original author, that started OGNL development in
>> the far 1998.
>> Then, it was moved to OpenSimphony only in the 2004 - later moved to
>> its own domain.
>> I'd say that nobody can claim OGNL trademark unless Drew, that has
>> been included in the Initial Committers list, and has donated OGNL
>> codebase signing the SoftwareGrant.
>> Sunds like the proposal is almost ready to be submitted, what do you
>> think?
>> Simo
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On 4/8/11 7:06 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>> >> I don't recall the Commons PMC saying the project needs to be renamed when it voted to sponsor this project. If that is necessary I'm sure they will let the project know.
>> > We voted to sponsor OGNL. Martin is right that our policy is to
>> > avoid the cutesy names, favoring descriptive names instead. EL and
>> > SCXML are two examples of spec-related Commons components whose
>> > names - conveniently for users - describe what they are. Unless
>> > there really is a compelling need to change the name from OGNL, it
>> > should stay as is.
>> >
>> > Phil
>> >> Ralph
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:37 AM, Martin Cooper wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch> wrote:
>> >>>> I'm sorry that I can't help out but when reading this I thought that
>> >>>> using the spec name as the project name is probably not ideal. How about
>> >>>> calling it Apache (Commons) Ogranal? Hopefully, this doesn't have any
>> >>>> strange meaning in some language. Just a thought.
>> >>> Commons has a policy of using descriptive names. Yes, there are a few
>> >>> existing projects that don't fit this - ones that were grandfathered
>> >>> in when the policy was introduced - but it would be better to start
>> >>> incubation with a name that would meet Commons' criteria rather than
>> >>> one that will need changing yet again on graduation.
>> >>>
>> >>> A lot of people both within and outwith the ASF know the name OGNL, so
>> >>> unless there's a pressing need, it would make sense to keep it.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Martin Cooper
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 08.04.2011 09:26:43 Simone Tripodi wrote:
>> >>>>> Hi all guys,
>> >>>>> I'm almost ready to submit a new proposal I'm preparing on Wiki[1] for
>> >>>>> Apache OGNL.
>> >>>>> The idea is importing the OGNL project under the Apache umbrella and,
>> >>>>> once/if ready, be promoted in Apache Commons - the Commons PMC already
>> >>>>> voted to be the Sponsor.
>> >>>>> All legal issues have been resolved, we have the Champion - Lukasz
>> >>>>> Lenart - and a great Mentor - Olivier Lamy - what we miss are 2 more
>> >>>>> mentors... any volunteer? :)
>> >>>>> It would be nice also if you can provide your feedbacks, once raw the proposal.
>> >>>>> Many thanks in advance, have a nice day!!!
>> >>>>> Simo
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OGNLProposal
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>> >>>>> http://www.99soft.org/
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jeremias Maerki
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk>.
You've certainly answered my questions. I'd suggest you also post this
info to legal-discuss to close off the thread there, for historical
reasons at least!
Upayavira
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:01 +0200, "Simone Tripodi"
<si...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi again guys,
> just to follow-up the discussion, OGNL is owned by Marc Andrew
> Davidson, that's the original author, that started OGNL development in
> the far 1998.
> Then, it was moved to OpenSimphony only in the 2004 - later moved to
> its own domain.
> I'd say that nobody can claim OGNL trademark unless Drew, that has
> been included in the Initial Committers list, and has donated OGNL
> codebase signing the SoftwareGrant.
> Sunds like the proposal is almost ready to be submitted, what do you
> think?
> Simo
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On 4/8/11 7:06 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> >> I don't recall the Commons PMC saying the project needs to be renamed when it voted to sponsor this project. If that is necessary I'm sure they will let the project know.
> > We voted to sponsor OGNL. Martin is right that our policy is to
> > avoid the cutesy names, favoring descriptive names instead. EL and
> > SCXML are two examples of spec-related Commons components whose
> > names - conveniently for users - describe what they are. Unless
> > there really is a compelling need to change the name from OGNL, it
> > should stay as is.
> >
> > Phil
> >> Ralph
> >>
> >> On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:37 AM, Martin Cooper wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch> wrote:
> >>>> I'm sorry that I can't help out but when reading this I thought that
> >>>> using the spec name as the project name is probably not ideal. How about
> >>>> calling it Apache (Commons) Ogranal? Hopefully, this doesn't have any
> >>>> strange meaning in some language. Just a thought.
> >>> Commons has a policy of using descriptive names. Yes, there are a few
> >>> existing projects that don't fit this - ones that were grandfathered
> >>> in when the policy was introduced - but it would be better to start
> >>> incubation with a name that would meet Commons' criteria rather than
> >>> one that will need changing yet again on graduation.
> >>>
> >>> A lot of people both within and outwith the ASF know the name OGNL, so
> >>> unless there's a pressing need, it would make sense to keep it.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Martin Cooper
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 08.04.2011 09:26:43 Simone Tripodi wrote:
> >>>>> Hi all guys,
> >>>>> I'm almost ready to submit a new proposal I'm preparing on Wiki[1] for
> >>>>> Apache OGNL.
> >>>>> The idea is importing the OGNL project under the Apache umbrella and,
> >>>>> once/if ready, be promoted in Apache Commons - the Commons PMC already
> >>>>> voted to be the Sponsor.
> >>>>> All legal issues have been resolved, we have the Champion - Lukasz
> >>>>> Lenart - and a great Mentor - Olivier Lamy - what we miss are 2 more
> >>>>> mentors... any volunteer? :)
> >>>>> It would be nice also if you can provide your feedbacks, once raw the proposal.
> >>>>> Many thanks in advance, have a nice day!!!
> >>>>> Simo
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OGNLProposal
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> >>>>> http://www.99soft.org/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Jeremias Maerki
> >>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Simone,
agree, the proposal is ready to be submitted.
Regards
JB
On 04/13/2011 04:01 PM, Simone Tripodi wrote:
> Hi again guys,
> just to follow-up the discussion, OGNL is owned by Marc Andrew
> Davidson, that's the original author, that started OGNL development in
> the far 1998.
> Then, it was moved to OpenSimphony only in the 2004 - later moved to
> its own domain.
> I'd say that nobody can claim OGNL trademark unless Drew, that has
> been included in the Initial Committers list, and has donated OGNL
> codebase signing the SoftwareGrant.
> Sunds like the proposal is almost ready to be submitted, what do you think?
> Simo
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Phil Steitz<ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/8/11 7:06 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>> I don't recall the Commons PMC saying the project needs to be renamed when it voted to sponsor this project. If that is necessary I'm sure they will let the project know.
>> We voted to sponsor OGNL. Martin is right that our policy is to
>> avoid the cutesy names, favoring descriptive names instead. EL and
>> SCXML are two examples of spec-related Commons components whose
>> names - conveniently for users - describe what they are. Unless
>> there really is a compelling need to change the name from OGNL, it
>> should stay as is.
>>
>> Phil
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>> On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:37 AM, Martin Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Jeremias Maerki<de...@jeremias-maerki.ch> wrote:
>>>>> I'm sorry that I can't help out but when reading this I thought that
>>>>> using the spec name as the project name is probably not ideal. How about
>>>>> calling it Apache (Commons) Ogranal? Hopefully, this doesn't have any
>>>>> strange meaning in some language. Just a thought.
>>>> Commons has a policy of using descriptive names. Yes, there are a few
>>>> existing projects that don't fit this - ones that were grandfathered
>>>> in when the policy was introduced - but it would be better to start
>>>> incubation with a name that would meet Commons' criteria rather than
>>>> one that will need changing yet again on graduation.
>>>>
>>>> A lot of people both within and outwith the ASF know the name OGNL, so
>>>> unless there's a pressing need, it would make sense to keep it.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Martin Cooper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 08.04.2011 09:26:43 Simone Tripodi wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all guys,
>>>>>> I'm almost ready to submit a new proposal I'm preparing on Wiki[1] for
>>>>>> Apache OGNL.
>>>>>> The idea is importing the OGNL project under the Apache umbrella and,
>>>>>> once/if ready, be promoted in Apache Commons - the Commons PMC already
>>>>>> voted to be the Sponsor.
>>>>>> All legal issues have been resolved, we have the Champion - Lukasz
>>>>>> Lenart - and a great Mentor - Olivier Lamy - what we miss are 2 more
>>>>>> mentors... any volunteer? :)
>>>>>> It would be nice also if you can provide your feedbacks, once raw the proposal.
>>>>>> Many thanks in advance, have a nice day!!!
>>>>>> Simo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OGNLProposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>>>>>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeremias Maerki
>>>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>wrote:
> Hi again guys,
> just to follow-up the discussion, OGNL is owned by Marc Andrew
> Davidson, that's the original author, that started OGNL development in
> the far 1998.
> Then, it was moved to OpenSimphony only in the 2004 - later moved to
> its own domain.
> I'd say that nobody can claim OGNL trademark unless Drew, that has
> been included in the Initial Committers list, and has donated OGNL
> codebase signing the SoftwareGrant.
> Sunds like the proposal is almost ready to be submitted, what do you think?
> Simo
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 4/8/11 7:06 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> >> I don't recall the Commons PMC saying the project needs to be renamed
> when it voted to sponsor this project. If that is necessary I'm sure they
> will let the project know.
> > We voted to sponsor OGNL. Martin is right that our policy is to
> > avoid the cutesy names, favoring descriptive names instead. EL and
> > SCXML are two examples of spec-related Commons components whose
> > names - conveniently for users - describe what they are. Unless
> > there really is a compelling need to change the name from OGNL, it
> > should stay as is.
> >
> > Phil
> >> Ralph
> >>
> >> On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:37 AM, Martin Cooper wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Jeremias Maerki <
> dev@jeremias-maerki.ch> wrote:
> >>>> I'm sorry that I can't help out but when reading this I thought that
> >>>> using the spec name as the project name is probably not ideal. How
> about
> >>>> calling it Apache (Commons) Ogranal? Hopefully, this doesn't have any
> >>>> strange meaning in some language. Just a thought.
> >>> Commons has a policy of using descriptive names. Yes, there are a few
> >>> existing projects that don't fit this - ones that were grandfathered
> >>> in when the policy was introduced - but it would be better to start
> >>> incubation with a name that would meet Commons' criteria rather than
> >>> one that will need changing yet again on graduation.
> >>>
> >>> A lot of people both within and outwith the ASF know the name OGNL, so
> >>> unless there's a pressing need, it would make sense to keep it.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Martin Cooper
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 08.04.2011 09:26:43 Simone Tripodi wrote:
> >>>>> Hi all guys,
> >>>>> I'm almost ready to submit a new proposal I'm preparing on Wiki[1]
> for
> >>>>> Apache OGNL.
> >>>>> The idea is importing the OGNL project under the Apache umbrella and,
> >>>>> once/if ready, be promoted in Apache Commons - the Commons PMC
> already
> >>>>> voted to be the Sponsor.
> >>>>> All legal issues have been resolved, we have the Champion - Lukasz
> >>>>> Lenart - and a great Mentor - Olivier Lamy - what we miss are 2 more
> >>>>> mentors... any volunteer? :)
> >>>>> It would be nice also if you can provide your feedbacks, once raw the
> proposal.
> >>>>> Many thanks in advance, have a nice day!!!
> >>>>> Simo
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OGNLProposal
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> >>>>> http://www.99soft.org/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Jeremias Maerki
> >>>>
> >>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Hi again guys,
just to follow-up the discussion, OGNL is owned by Marc Andrew
Davidson, that's the original author, that started OGNL development in
the far 1998.
Then, it was moved to OpenSimphony only in the 2004 - later moved to
its own domain.
I'd say that nobody can claim OGNL trademark unless Drew, that has
been included in the Initial Committers list, and has donated OGNL
codebase signing the SoftwareGrant.
Sunds like the proposal is almost ready to be submitted, what do you think?
Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/8/11 7:06 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>> I don't recall the Commons PMC saying the project needs to be renamed when it voted to sponsor this project. If that is necessary I'm sure they will let the project know.
> We voted to sponsor OGNL. Martin is right that our policy is to
> avoid the cutesy names, favoring descriptive names instead. EL and
> SCXML are two examples of spec-related Commons components whose
> names - conveniently for users - describe what they are. Unless
> there really is a compelling need to change the name from OGNL, it
> should stay as is.
>
> Phil
>> Ralph
>>
>> On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:37 AM, Martin Cooper wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch> wrote:
>>>> I'm sorry that I can't help out but when reading this I thought that
>>>> using the spec name as the project name is probably not ideal. How about
>>>> calling it Apache (Commons) Ogranal? Hopefully, this doesn't have any
>>>> strange meaning in some language. Just a thought.
>>> Commons has a policy of using descriptive names. Yes, there are a few
>>> existing projects that don't fit this - ones that were grandfathered
>>> in when the policy was introduced - but it would be better to start
>>> incubation with a name that would meet Commons' criteria rather than
>>> one that will need changing yet again on graduation.
>>>
>>> A lot of people both within and outwith the ASF know the name OGNL, so
>>> unless there's a pressing need, it would make sense to keep it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Martin Cooper
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 08.04.2011 09:26:43 Simone Tripodi wrote:
>>>>> Hi all guys,
>>>>> I'm almost ready to submit a new proposal I'm preparing on Wiki[1] for
>>>>> Apache OGNL.
>>>>> The idea is importing the OGNL project under the Apache umbrella and,
>>>>> once/if ready, be promoted in Apache Commons - the Commons PMC already
>>>>> voted to be the Sponsor.
>>>>> All legal issues have been resolved, we have the Champion - Lukasz
>>>>> Lenart - and a great Mentor - Olivier Lamy - what we miss are 2 more
>>>>> mentors... any volunteer? :)
>>>>> It would be nice also if you can provide your feedbacks, once raw the proposal.
>>>>> Many thanks in advance, have a nice day!!!
>>>>> Simo
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OGNLProposal
>>>>>
>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>>>>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeremias Maerki
>>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com>.
On 4/8/11 7:06 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> I don't recall the Commons PMC saying the project needs to be renamed when it voted to sponsor this project. If that is necessary I'm sure they will let the project know.
We voted to sponsor OGNL. Martin is right that our policy is to
avoid the cutesy names, favoring descriptive names instead. EL and
SCXML are two examples of spec-related Commons components whose
names - conveniently for users - describe what they are. Unless
there really is a compelling need to change the name from OGNL, it
should stay as is.
Phil
> Ralph
>
> On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:37 AM, Martin Cooper wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch> wrote:
>>> I'm sorry that I can't help out but when reading this I thought that
>>> using the spec name as the project name is probably not ideal. How about
>>> calling it Apache (Commons) Ogranal? Hopefully, this doesn't have any
>>> strange meaning in some language. Just a thought.
>> Commons has a policy of using descriptive names. Yes, there are a few
>> existing projects that don't fit this - ones that were grandfathered
>> in when the policy was introduced - but it would be better to start
>> incubation with a name that would meet Commons' criteria rather than
>> one that will need changing yet again on graduation.
>>
>> A lot of people both within and outwith the ASF know the name OGNL, so
>> unless there's a pressing need, it would make sense to keep it.
>>
>> --
>> Martin Cooper
>>
>>
>>> On 08.04.2011 09:26:43 Simone Tripodi wrote:
>>>> Hi all guys,
>>>> I'm almost ready to submit a new proposal I'm preparing on Wiki[1] for
>>>> Apache OGNL.
>>>> The idea is importing the OGNL project under the Apache umbrella and,
>>>> once/if ready, be promoted in Apache Commons - the Commons PMC already
>>>> voted to be the Sponsor.
>>>> All legal issues have been resolved, we have the Champion - Lukasz
>>>> Lenart - and a great Mentor - Olivier Lamy - what we miss are 2 more
>>>> mentors... any volunteer? :)
>>>> It would be nice also if you can provide your feedbacks, once raw the proposal.
>>>> Many thanks in advance, have a nice day!!!
>>>> Simo
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OGNLProposal
>>>>
>>>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>>>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeremias Maerki
>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>.
I don't recall the Commons PMC saying the project needs to be renamed when it voted to sponsor this project. If that is necessary I'm sure they will let the project know.
Ralph
On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:37 AM, Martin Cooper wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch> wrote:
>> I'm sorry that I can't help out but when reading this I thought that
>> using the spec name as the project name is probably not ideal. How about
>> calling it Apache (Commons) Ogranal? Hopefully, this doesn't have any
>> strange meaning in some language. Just a thought.
>
> Commons has a policy of using descriptive names. Yes, there are a few
> existing projects that don't fit this - ones that were grandfathered
> in when the policy was introduced - but it would be better to start
> incubation with a name that would meet Commons' criteria rather than
> one that will need changing yet again on graduation.
>
> A lot of people both within and outwith the ASF know the name OGNL, so
> unless there's a pressing need, it would make sense to keep it.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
>> On 08.04.2011 09:26:43 Simone Tripodi wrote:
>>> Hi all guys,
>>> I'm almost ready to submit a new proposal I'm preparing on Wiki[1] for
>>> Apache OGNL.
>>> The idea is importing the OGNL project under the Apache umbrella and,
>>> once/if ready, be promoted in Apache Commons - the Commons PMC already
>>> voted to be the Sponsor.
>>> All legal issues have been resolved, we have the Champion - Lukasz
>>> Lenart - and a great Mentor - Olivier Lamy - what we miss are 2 more
>>> mentors... any volunteer? :)
>>> It would be nice also if you can provide your feedbacks, once raw the proposal.
>>> Many thanks in advance, have a nice day!!!
>>> Simo
>>>
>>> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OGNLProposal
>>>
>>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeremias Maerki
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch> wrote:
> I'm sorry that I can't help out but when reading this I thought that
> using the spec name as the project name is probably not ideal. How about
> calling it Apache (Commons) Ogranal? Hopefully, this doesn't have any
> strange meaning in some language. Just a thought.
Commons has a policy of using descriptive names. Yes, there are a few
existing projects that don't fit this - ones that were grandfathered
in when the policy was introduced - but it would be better to start
incubation with a name that would meet Commons' criteria rather than
one that will need changing yet again on graduation.
A lot of people both within and outwith the ASF know the name OGNL, so
unless there's a pressing need, it would make sense to keep it.
--
Martin Cooper
> On 08.04.2011 09:26:43 Simone Tripodi wrote:
>> Hi all guys,
>> I'm almost ready to submit a new proposal I'm preparing on Wiki[1] for
>> Apache OGNL.
>> The idea is importing the OGNL project under the Apache umbrella and,
>> once/if ready, be promoted in Apache Commons - the Commons PMC already
>> voted to be the Sponsor.
>> All legal issues have been resolved, we have the Champion - Lukasz
>> Lenart - and a great Mentor - Olivier Lamy - what we miss are 2 more
>> mentors... any volunteer? :)
>> It would be nice also if you can provide your feedbacks, once raw the proposal.
>> Many thanks in advance, have a nice day!!!
>> Simo
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OGNLProposal
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> Jeremias Maerki
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Hi Jeremias,
thanks for your feedback!! Just to make tings clear, there's not OGNL
specification, OGNL is the already existing project name, there are
only OGNL guides.
BTW let us know if you're interested on participating in the future,
thanks in advance!
Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch> wrote:
> I'm sorry that I can't help out but when reading this I thought that
> using the spec name as the project name is probably not ideal. How about
> calling it Apache (Commons) Ogranal? Hopefully, this doesn't have any
> strange meaning in some language. Just a thought.
>
> On 08.04.2011 09:26:43 Simone Tripodi wrote:
>> Hi all guys,
>> I'm almost ready to submit a new proposal I'm preparing on Wiki[1] for
>> Apache OGNL.
>> The idea is importing the OGNL project under the Apache umbrella and,
>> once/if ready, be promoted in Apache Commons - the Commons PMC already
>> voted to be the Sponsor.
>> All legal issues have been resolved, we have the Champion - Lukasz
>> Lenart - and a great Mentor - Olivier Lamy - what we miss are 2 more
>> mentors... any volunteer? :)
>> It would be nice also if you can provide your feedbacks, once raw the proposal.
>> Many thanks in advance, have a nice day!!!
>> Simo
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OGNLProposal
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> Jeremias Maerki
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache OGNL
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch>.
I'm sorry that I can't help out but when reading this I thought that
using the spec name as the project name is probably not ideal. How about
calling it Apache (Commons) Ogranal? Hopefully, this doesn't have any
strange meaning in some language. Just a thought.
On 08.04.2011 09:26:43 Simone Tripodi wrote:
> Hi all guys,
> I'm almost ready to submit a new proposal I'm preparing on Wiki[1] for
> Apache OGNL.
> The idea is importing the OGNL project under the Apache umbrella and,
> once/if ready, be promoted in Apache Commons - the Commons PMC already
> voted to be the Sponsor.
> All legal issues have been resolved, we have the Champion - Lukasz
> Lenart - and a great Mentor - Olivier Lamy - what we miss are 2 more
> mentors... any volunteer? :)
> It would be nice also if you can provide your feedbacks, once raw the proposal.
> Many thanks in advance, have a nice day!!!
> Simo
>
> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OGNLProposal
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://www.99soft.org/
Jeremias Maerki
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