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Posted to user@ofbiz.apache.org by Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it> on 2007/12/01 08:19:42 UTC
Re: Question about how to enter an accounting transaction
Jim,
the accounting transaction's partyId and roleTypeId are used by some of
the automatic posting services to better specify the transaction.
For example, when you issue inventory for a sales shipment, the
accounting transaction is created with the shipmentId set, and with the
partyId = ship-to-party and roleTypeId = "bill to customer"
You may try to run some outo posting routines and see how the
transactions look like.
If you need notes on how to do this, I'll provide them (it's really very
easy with default demo data).
Jacopo
Jim Barrows wrote:
> And another question.... why do I have to provide a role? I can
> understand the party id, that's the party id of the person doing the
> entry.
> I think anyway. Shouldn't the role come from the persons list of roles?
>
> On Nov 30, 2007 8:37 AM, Jim Barrows <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Jacopo,I'm actually hoping to be a part of that effort. The
>> reason this question is in user, and not dev, so because this has to
>> be a questiont that more then just me wants to know.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2007 8:15 AM, Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it> wrote:
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> first of all, thanks for your interest in the OFBiz accounting GL component.
>>> Before I answer to (some of) your questions I'd like to clarify that the
>>> OFBiz accounting component is under active development right now...
>>> things are changing/evolving very very quickly and many of the GL
>>> features are still not stable enough, or are incomplete/missing, for a
>>> production server.
>>> However the community is working hard on it right now, and even if this
>>> is an unsponsored effort and so there is not an established completion
>>> date, several business analysts and developers are actively
>>> participating at it.
>>> From what I see, if things go on as they are going now, I'd say that by
>>> the end of the year the GL component could be in a very good shape.
>>>
>>> Now, please, see my comments inline:
>>>
>>> Jim Barrows wrote:
>>>> I"m using trunk, updated yesterday.
>>>> I'm also trying to get some entries into the accounting system so I
>>>> can work the Income and Balance sheets.
>>>> So I login as admin, and go to
>>>> Accounting->GeneralLedger->Accounting(for the company
>>>> entry)->AccountingTransactions->QuickCreateAnAccountingTransaction
>>>> I decide the the owner (I've set up a new party, with the owner and
>>>> person roles), is going to capitalize the business.
>>>> Now I have several questions:
>>>> 1) I can't find any documentation on what some of the values are in
>>>> the transaction type drop down. I know that several of my potential
>>>> clients prefer to lend money to their business,
>>>> rather then dump money into stock/Owners Equity. Would that be Credit
>>>> LIne, or is credit line extending a credit line to a customer? Is
>>>> this an internal transaction? Are these values important? Can I add
>>>> my own?
>>> I'll leave to others, much more expert than me on GL, to answer this
>>> question.
>>>
>>>> 2) The GL account ID lists don't have all the gl account ids... why?
>>>> If I manually add them to the company list, do I break anything?
>>> You have to associate the GL Accounts that your company will use; you
>>> can use this screen to accomplish this task: General Ledger>Setup>Chart
>>> Of Accounts
>>>
>>>> 3) Where is a good resource to find out about how various provided
>>>> values are being used? What they mean? etc etc
>>>>
>>> You may find useful the references to the books/resources that are
>>> inspiring this effort in the following page:
>>>
>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/sgw
>>>
>>> Now I go back at the development of the GL features :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> James A Barrows
>>
>
>
>
Re: Question about how to enter an accounting transaction
Posted by Jim Barrows <ji...@gmail.com>.
That's the plan.. however I haven't gotten an anser to my question of
what the values mean, an are used for in the transaction type drop
down. I'm hoping to spend some time today scouring the code and see
if they're used for anything.
On Dec 1, 2007 4:56 AM, Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> it's great to know that you are trying to setup/test GL in OFbiz and I
> think that it would of great help, both to users and developers, if you
> could put your notes in an OFBiz Wiki page
> (http://docs.ofbiz.org/pages/listpages-dirview.action?key=OFBIZ)
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> Anil Patel wrote:
> > This reminds of some document/script for "Success scenario". We can use
> > those scenarios for manual testing and later for writing JUnit tests.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Anil Patel
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 08:19 +0100, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> >> Jim,
> >>
> >> the accounting transaction's partyId and roleTypeId are used by some of
> >> the automatic posting services to better specify the transaction.
> >>
> >> For example, when you issue inventory for a sales shipment, the
> >> accounting transaction is created with the shipmentId set, and with the
> >> partyId = ship-to-party and roleTypeId = "bill to customer"
> >>
> >> You may try to run some outo posting routines and see how the
> >> transactions look like.
> >>
> >> If you need notes on how to do this, I'll provide them (it's really very
> >> easy with default demo data).
> >>
> >> Jacopo
> >>
> >> Jim Barrows wrote:
> >>> And another question.... why do I have to provide a role? I can
> >>> understand the party id, that's the party id of the person doing the
> >>> entry.
> >>> I think anyway. Shouldn't the role come from the persons list of roles?
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 30, 2007 8:37 AM, Jim Barrows <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Thanks Jacopo,I'm actually hoping to be a part of that effort. The
> >>>> reason this question is in user, and not dev, so because this has to
> >>>> be a questiont that more then just me wants to know.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 30, 2007 8:15 AM, Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Jim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> first of all, thanks for your interest in the OFBiz accounting GL component.
> >>>>> Before I answer to (some of) your questions I'd like to clarify that the
> >>>>> OFBiz accounting component is under active development right now...
> >>>>> things are changing/evolving very very quickly and many of the GL
> >>>>> features are still not stable enough, or are incomplete/missing, for a
> >>>>> production server.
> >>>>> However the community is working hard on it right now, and even if this
> >>>>> is an unsponsored effort and so there is not an established completion
> >>>>> date, several business analysts and developers are actively
> >>>>> participating at it.
> >>>>> From what I see, if things go on as they are going now, I'd say that by
> >>>>> the end of the year the GL component could be in a very good shape.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now, please, see my comments inline:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jim Barrows wrote:
> >>>>>> I"m using trunk, updated yesterday.
> >>>>>> I'm also trying to get some entries into the accounting system so I
> >>>>>> can work the Income and Balance sheets.
> >>>>>> So I login as admin, and go to
> >>>>>> Accounting->GeneralLedger->Accounting(for the company
> >>>>>> entry)->AccountingTransactions->QuickCreateAnAccountingTransaction
> >>>>>> I decide the the owner (I've set up a new party, with the owner and
> >>>>>> person roles), is going to capitalize the business.
> >>>>>> Now I have several questions:
> >>>>>> 1) I can't find any documentation on what some of the values are in
> >>>>>> the transaction type drop down. I know that several of my potential
> >>>>>> clients prefer to lend money to their business,
> >>>>>> rather then dump money into stock/Owners Equity. Would that be Credit
> >>>>>> LIne, or is credit line extending a credit line to a customer? Is
> >>>>>> this an internal transaction? Are these values important? Can I add
> >>>>>> my own?
> >>>>> I'll leave to others, much more expert than me on GL, to answer this
> >>>>> question.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> 2) The GL account ID lists don't have all the gl account ids... why?
> >>>>>> If I manually add them to the company list, do I break anything?
> >>>>> You have to associate the GL Accounts that your company will use; you
> >>>>> can use this screen to accomplish this task: General Ledger>Setup>Chart
> >>>>> Of Accounts
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> 3) Where is a good resource to find out about how various provided
> >>>>>> values are being used? What they mean? etc etc
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> You may find useful the references to the books/resources that are
> >>>>> inspiring this effort in the following page:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/sgw
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now I go back at the development of the GL features :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jacopo
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> James A Barrows
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
>
--
James A Barrows
Re: Question about how to enter an accounting transaction
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it>.
Jim,
it's great to know that you are trying to setup/test GL in OFbiz and I
think that it would of great help, both to users and developers, if you
could put your notes in an OFBiz Wiki page
(http://docs.ofbiz.org/pages/listpages-dirview.action?key=OFBIZ)
Jacopo
Anil Patel wrote:
> This reminds of some document/script for "Success scenario". We can use
> those scenarios for manual testing and later for writing JUnit tests.
>
>
> Regards
> Anil Patel
>
>
> On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 08:19 +0100, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> the accounting transaction's partyId and roleTypeId are used by some of
>> the automatic posting services to better specify the transaction.
>>
>> For example, when you issue inventory for a sales shipment, the
>> accounting transaction is created with the shipmentId set, and with the
>> partyId = ship-to-party and roleTypeId = "bill to customer"
>>
>> You may try to run some outo posting routines and see how the
>> transactions look like.
>>
>> If you need notes on how to do this, I'll provide them (it's really very
>> easy with default demo data).
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> Jim Barrows wrote:
>>> And another question.... why do I have to provide a role? I can
>>> understand the party id, that's the party id of the person doing the
>>> entry.
>>> I think anyway. Shouldn't the role come from the persons list of roles?
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2007 8:37 AM, Jim Barrows <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Thanks Jacopo,I'm actually hoping to be a part of that effort. The
>>>> reason this question is in user, and not dev, so because this has to
>>>> be a questiont that more then just me wants to know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 30, 2007 8:15 AM, Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> first of all, thanks for your interest in the OFBiz accounting GL component.
>>>>> Before I answer to (some of) your questions I'd like to clarify that the
>>>>> OFBiz accounting component is under active development right now...
>>>>> things are changing/evolving very very quickly and many of the GL
>>>>> features are still not stable enough, or are incomplete/missing, for a
>>>>> production server.
>>>>> However the community is working hard on it right now, and even if this
>>>>> is an unsponsored effort and so there is not an established completion
>>>>> date, several business analysts and developers are actively
>>>>> participating at it.
>>>>> From what I see, if things go on as they are going now, I'd say that by
>>>>> the end of the year the GL component could be in a very good shape.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, please, see my comments inline:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Barrows wrote:
>>>>>> I"m using trunk, updated yesterday.
>>>>>> I'm also trying to get some entries into the accounting system so I
>>>>>> can work the Income and Balance sheets.
>>>>>> So I login as admin, and go to
>>>>>> Accounting->GeneralLedger->Accounting(for the company
>>>>>> entry)->AccountingTransactions->QuickCreateAnAccountingTransaction
>>>>>> I decide the the owner (I've set up a new party, with the owner and
>>>>>> person roles), is going to capitalize the business.
>>>>>> Now I have several questions:
>>>>>> 1) I can't find any documentation on what some of the values are in
>>>>>> the transaction type drop down. I know that several of my potential
>>>>>> clients prefer to lend money to their business,
>>>>>> rather then dump money into stock/Owners Equity. Would that be Credit
>>>>>> LIne, or is credit line extending a credit line to a customer? Is
>>>>>> this an internal transaction? Are these values important? Can I add
>>>>>> my own?
>>>>> I'll leave to others, much more expert than me on GL, to answer this
>>>>> question.
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) The GL account ID lists don't have all the gl account ids... why?
>>>>>> If I manually add them to the company list, do I break anything?
>>>>> You have to associate the GL Accounts that your company will use; you
>>>>> can use this screen to accomplish this task: General Ledger>Setup>Chart
>>>>> Of Accounts
>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) Where is a good resource to find out about how various provided
>>>>>> values are being used? What they mean? etc etc
>>>>>>
>>>>> You may find useful the references to the books/resources that are
>>>>> inspiring this effort in the following page:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/sgw
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I go back at the development of the GL features :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> James A Barrows
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Question about how to enter an accounting transaction
Posted by Anil Patel <an...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
This reminds of some document/script for "Success scenario". We can use
those scenarios for manual testing and later for writing JUnit tests.
Regards
Anil Patel
On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 08:19 +0100, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> Jim,
>
> the accounting transaction's partyId and roleTypeId are used by some of
> the automatic posting services to better specify the transaction.
>
> For example, when you issue inventory for a sales shipment, the
> accounting transaction is created with the shipmentId set, and with the
> partyId = ship-to-party and roleTypeId = "bill to customer"
>
> You may try to run some outo posting routines and see how the
> transactions look like.
>
> If you need notes on how to do this, I'll provide them (it's really very
> easy with default demo data).
>
> Jacopo
>
> Jim Barrows wrote:
> > And another question.... why do I have to provide a role? I can
> > understand the party id, that's the party id of the person doing the
> > entry.
> > I think anyway. Shouldn't the role come from the persons list of roles?
> >
> > On Nov 30, 2007 8:37 AM, Jim Barrows <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Thanks Jacopo,I'm actually hoping to be a part of that effort. The
> >> reason this question is in user, and not dev, so because this has to
> >> be a questiont that more then just me wants to know.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 30, 2007 8:15 AM, Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it> wrote:
> >>> Hi Jim,
> >>>
> >>> first of all, thanks for your interest in the OFBiz accounting GL component.
> >>> Before I answer to (some of) your questions I'd like to clarify that the
> >>> OFBiz accounting component is under active development right now...
> >>> things are changing/evolving very very quickly and many of the GL
> >>> features are still not stable enough, or are incomplete/missing, for a
> >>> production server.
> >>> However the community is working hard on it right now, and even if this
> >>> is an unsponsored effort and so there is not an established completion
> >>> date, several business analysts and developers are actively
> >>> participating at it.
> >>> From what I see, if things go on as they are going now, I'd say that by
> >>> the end of the year the GL component could be in a very good shape.
> >>>
> >>> Now, please, see my comments inline:
> >>>
> >>> Jim Barrows wrote:
> >>>> I"m using trunk, updated yesterday.
> >>>> I'm also trying to get some entries into the accounting system so I
> >>>> can work the Income and Balance sheets.
> >>>> So I login as admin, and go to
> >>>> Accounting->GeneralLedger->Accounting(for the company
> >>>> entry)->AccountingTransactions->QuickCreateAnAccountingTransaction
> >>>> I decide the the owner (I've set up a new party, with the owner and
> >>>> person roles), is going to capitalize the business.
> >>>> Now I have several questions:
> >>>> 1) I can't find any documentation on what some of the values are in
> >>>> the transaction type drop down. I know that several of my potential
> >>>> clients prefer to lend money to their business,
> >>>> rather then dump money into stock/Owners Equity. Would that be Credit
> >>>> LIne, or is credit line extending a credit line to a customer? Is
> >>>> this an internal transaction? Are these values important? Can I add
> >>>> my own?
> >>> I'll leave to others, much more expert than me on GL, to answer this
> >>> question.
> >>>
> >>>> 2) The GL account ID lists don't have all the gl account ids... why?
> >>>> If I manually add them to the company list, do I break anything?
> >>> You have to associate the GL Accounts that your company will use; you
> >>> can use this screen to accomplish this task: General Ledger>Setup>Chart
> >>> Of Accounts
> >>>
> >>>> 3) Where is a good resource to find out about how various provided
> >>>> values are being used? What they mean? etc etc
> >>>>
> >>> You may find useful the references to the books/resources that are
> >>> inspiring this effort in the following page:
> >>>
> >>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/sgw
> >>>
> >>> Now I go back at the development of the GL features :-)
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Jacopo
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> James A Barrows
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>