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Re: Postgres JDBC driver
Hey Glenn,
Am Montag, den 23.04.2018, 06:22 -0500 schrieb Glenn Holmer:
> The Postgres driver shipped with NetBeans is several years old. Any
> chance that could be updated for 9.0?
I'm not sure when I'll have time to look at this. I doubt, that it will
make it into Netbeans 9.0. I opened NETBEANS-870 to track this:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-870
From my POV this might be a good issue to work on as an outsider. What
needs to be done:
- get an updated driver
- check the license
- update the db.drivers module with the new binary and updated license
- get it reviewed and merged
If anyone wants to do it, I'll review.
Greetings
Matthias
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Re: Postgres JDBC driver
Posted by Tim Boudreau <ni...@gmail.com>.
The advantage there is having the driver already wrapped by an NBM,
> right? Is that a lot easier to do than downloading and activating a jar
> file?
There's a lot to be said for "batteries included".
That said, my meta-update-center project generates a NetBeans module server
side. It wouldn't be all that hard to adapt that code to take a list of
jdbc jar maven urls and generate nbms for each, or one nbm bundling several.
-Tim
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Re: AW: Postgres JDBC driver
Posted by Matthias Bläsing <mb...@doppel-helix.eu>.
Hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 30.05.2018, 08:59 -0500 schrieb Glenn Holmer:
> On 05/30/2018 06:18 AM, Josh Juneau wrote:
> > +1 to including a "Driver" plugin update center.
>
> Couldn't we just get them from Maven Central (with the appropriate
> license confirmation dialog)? Do we already have code that can do that?
> What does it take to set up an update center? Do we have plans for how
> to do that moving forward with e.g. NetBeans plugins and patch updates?
>
> > It would be great if NetBeans could get away from packaging the
> > drivers, as it freezes the release in time unless one decides to
> > overwrite the JAR files that ship with the release.
>
> Yes, that's my biggest objection to bundling the drivers; you'd have to
> hunt down all the latest versions for every NetBeans release (although
> presumably the NetCAT db tribe could do that). Of course, an update
> center would have the same issue (is there a way to ask Maven Central
> for the latest driver?).
I would try to use Maven Central to update drivers. In fact there is an
issue open for this:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-170
So if someone whats to work on this - feel free to do so. Important is,
that it must be clear for the user, that the files are not part of
netbeans, but are seperatedly downloaded and licensed (as nbjavac
explicitly show GPL on installation).
I have not yet analysed the samples on maven central, but I hope, that
they pubished artifacts hold license information in the POM and that
could be displayed.
BUT: NETBEANS-170 and NETBEANS-870 don't exclude each other. Updating
the postgresql driver is a good starter task, NETBEANS-170 will take
longer and will be more involved.
So if you want to update the postgresql driver I'm good with it, if you
want to tackle NETBEANS-170, that is also a good idea.
Greetings
Matthias
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AW: Postgres JDBC driver
Posted by Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com>.
On 05/30/2018 06:18 AM, Josh Juneau wrote:
> +1 to including a "Driver" plugin update center.
Couldn't we just get them from Maven Central (with the appropriate
license confirmation dialog)? Do we already have code that can do that?
What does it take to set up an update center? Do we have plans for how
to do that moving forward with e.g. NetBeans plugins and patch updates?
> It would be great if NetBeans could get away from packaging the
> drivers, as it freezes the release in time unless one decides to
> overwrite the JAR files that ship with the release.
Yes, that's my biggest objection to bundling the drivers; you'd have to
hunt down all the latest versions for every NetBeans release (although
presumably the NetCAT db tribe could do that). Of course, an update
center would have the same issue (is there a way to ask Maven Central
for the latest driver?).
Personally, wrt Postgres, I've always manually installed a local copy of
the latest driver (Services tab, Databases node, right-click Drivers and
select "New Driver...").
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:11 AM Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>
> wrote:
>
>> Must we really include these drivers out of the box? It seems like a
>> perfect candidate for an Apache-approved smaller plugin update center.
>>
>> We just publish these driver NBM wrappers in this plugin repository and
>> the IDE will just ask the user if he wants to grab the latest online module
>> for the database type they pick in some combobox GUI.
The advantage there is having the driver already wrapped by an NBM,
right? Is that a lot easier to do than downloading and activating a jar
file?
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Re: AW: Postgres JDBC driver
Posted by Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>.
+1 to including a "Driver" plugin update center. It would be great if
NetBeans could get away from packaging the drivers, as it freezes the
release in time unless one decides to overwrite the JAR files that ship
with the release.
On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:11 AM Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>
wrote:
> Must we really include these drivers out of the box? It seems like a
> perfect candidate for an Apache-approved smaller plugin update center.
>
> We just publish these driver NBM wrappers in this plugin repository and
> the IDE will just ask the user if he wants to grab the latest online module
> for the database type they pick in some combobox GUI.
>
> Just an idea.
>
> --emi
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
> On 30 May 2018 9:51 AM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> > +1 for updating the PostgreSQL Driver. But this is not the only Driver
> which is Kind of outdated, Right? Maybe all other Drivers, that NetBeans
> uses should be updated, if they wasn’t
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Von: Glenn Holmer
> >
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Mai 2018 22:15
> >
> > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >
> > Betreff: Re: Postgres JDBC driver
> >
> > On 05/29/2018 02:33 PM, Matthias Bläsing wrote:
> >
> > > Am Dienstag, den 29.05.2018, 08:16 -0500 schrieb Glenn Holmer:
> > >
> > > > I'd like to work on this. I'll have lots of questions, but I want to
> > > >
> > > > learn the NetBeans internals. I'm studying "NetBeans Platform for
> > > >
> > > > Beginners" and the API docs on netbeans.org.
> > > >
> > > > I had a look at NETBEANS-170 (referenced by 870):
> > > >
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-170
> > > >
> > > > If Postgres is the last driver still bundled with NetBeans, are the
> > > >
> > > > above steps even worth the effort?
> > >
> > > Eirik already pointed out other drivers we might consider to bundle.
> > >
> > > Apache Derby would be another one.
> > >
> > > For the "add drivers" part it might be worth looking at the PR, that
> > >
> > > removed MySQL:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/294
> > >
> > > The changes that were done in db.drivers would need to be reversed for
> > >
> > > adding drivers.
> >
> > OK, I'll attack it from that direction, then. I'd already had a look at
> >
> > that PR.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: AW: Postgres JDBC driver
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>.
Must we really include these drivers out of the box? It seems like a perfect candidate for an Apache-approved smaller plugin update center.
We just publish these driver NBM wrappers in this plugin repository and the IDE will just ask the user if he wants to grab the latest online module for the database type they pick in some combobox GUI.
Just an idea.
--emi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 30 May 2018 9:51 AM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> +1 for updating the PostgreSQL Driver. But this is not the only Driver which is Kind of outdated, Right? Maybe all other Drivers, that NetBeans uses should be updated, if they wasn’t
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Glenn Holmer
>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Mai 2018 22:15
>
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>
> Betreff: Re: Postgres JDBC driver
>
> On 05/29/2018 02:33 PM, Matthias Bläsing wrote:
>
> > Am Dienstag, den 29.05.2018, 08:16 -0500 schrieb Glenn Holmer:
> >
> > > I'd like to work on this. I'll have lots of questions, but I want to
> > >
> > > learn the NetBeans internals. I'm studying "NetBeans Platform for
> > >
> > > Beginners" and the API docs on netbeans.org.
> > >
> > > I had a look at NETBEANS-170 (referenced by 870):
> > >
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-170
> > >
> > > If Postgres is the last driver still bundled with NetBeans, are the
> > >
> > > above steps even worth the effort?
> >
> > Eirik already pointed out other drivers we might consider to bundle.
> >
> > Apache Derby would be another one.
> >
> > For the "add drivers" part it might be worth looking at the PR, that
> >
> > removed MySQL:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/294
> >
> > The changes that were done in db.drivers would need to be reversed for
> >
> > adding drivers.
>
> OK, I'll attack it from that direction, then. I'd already had a look at
>
> that PR.
>
>
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AW: Postgres JDBC driver
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
+1 for updating the PostgreSQL Driver. But this is not the only Driver which is Kind of outdated, Right? Maybe all other Drivers, that NetBeans uses should be updated, if they wasn’t
Cheers
Chris
Von: Glenn Holmer
Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Mai 2018 22:15
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Postgres JDBC driver
On 05/29/2018 02:33 PM, Matthias Bläsing wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 29.05.2018, 08:16 -0500 schrieb Glenn Holmer:
>>
>> I'd like to work on this. I'll have lots of questions, but I want to
>> learn the NetBeans internals. I'm studying "NetBeans Platform for
>> Beginners" and the API docs on netbeans.org.
>>
>> I had a look at NETBEANS-170 (referenced by 870):
>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-170
>>
>> If Postgres is the last driver still bundled with NetBeans, are the
>> above steps even worth the effort?
>>
>
> Eirik already pointed out other drivers we might consider to bundle.
> Apache Derby would be another one.
>
> For the "add drivers" part it might be worth looking at the PR, that
> removed MySQL:
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/294
>
> The changes that were done in db.drivers would need to be reversed for
> adding drivers.
OK, I'll attack it from that direction, then. I'd already had a look at
that PR.
--
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"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
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Re: Postgres JDBC driver
Posted by Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com>.
On 05/29/2018 02:33 PM, Matthias Bläsing wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 29.05.2018, 08:16 -0500 schrieb Glenn Holmer:
>>
>> I'd like to work on this. I'll have lots of questions, but I want to
>> learn the NetBeans internals. I'm studying "NetBeans Platform for
>> Beginners" and the API docs on netbeans.org.
>>
>> I had a look at NETBEANS-170 (referenced by 870):
>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-170
>>
>> If Postgres is the last driver still bundled with NetBeans, are the
>> above steps even worth the effort?
>>
>
> Eirik already pointed out other drivers we might consider to bundle.
> Apache Derby would be another one.
>
> For the "add drivers" part it might be worth looking at the PR, that
> removed MySQL:
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/294
>
> The changes that were done in db.drivers would need to be reversed for
> adding drivers.
OK, I'll attack it from that direction, then. I'd already had a look at
that PR.
--
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"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
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Re: Postgres JDBC driver
Posted by Matthias Bläsing <mb...@doppel-helix.eu>.
Hi Glenn,
Am Dienstag, den 29.05.2018, 08:16 -0500 schrieb Glenn Holmer:
>
> I'd like to work on this. I'll have lots of questions, but I want to
> learn the NetBeans internals. I'm studying "NetBeans Platform for
> Beginners" and the API docs on netbeans.org.
>
> I had a look at NETBEANS-170 (referenced by 870):
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-170
>
> If Postgres is the last driver still bundled with NetBeans, are the
> above steps even worth the effort?
>
Eirik already pointed out other drivers we might consider to bundle.
Apache Derby would be another one.
For the "add drivers" part it might be worth looking at the PR, that
removed MySQL:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/294
The changes that were done in db.drivers would need to be reversed for
adding drivers.
Greetings
Matthias
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Postgres JDBC driver
Posted by Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com>.
On 05/29/2018 11:16 AM, Eirik Bakke wrote:
>> If Postgres is the last driver still bundled with NetBeans, are the
>> above steps even worth the effort?
>
> Other JDBC drivers which could be included, with Apache-compatible
> licenses: * Microsoft SQL Server:
> https://github.com/Microsoft/mssql-jdbc/tree/v6.5.2 * SQLite:
> https://github.com/xerial/sqlite-jdbc/tree/3.23.1
>
> The MySQL/MariaDB ones are GPL/LGPL and so can’t be bundled,
> unfortunately. I’d still say it would be worth bundling PostgreSQL,
> SQL Server, and SQLite.
My opinion is that it should be done consistently for every driver, i.e.
if they can't all be bundled, then come up with a solution that applies
to them all.
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Re: Postgres JDBC driver
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
> If Postgres is the last driver still bundled with NetBeans, are the above steps even worth the effort?
Other JDBC drivers which could be included, with Apache-compatible licenses:
* Microsoft SQL Server: https://github.com/Microsoft/mssql-jdbc/tree/v6.5.2
* SQLite: https://github.com/xerial/sqlite-jdbc/tree/3.23.1
The MySQL/MariaDB ones are GPL/LGPL and so can’t be bundled, unfortunately. I’d still say it would be worth bundling PostgreSQL, SQL Server, and SQLite.
— Eirik
On 5/29/18, 9:16 AM, "Glenn Holmer" <ce...@kolabnow.com>> wrote:
On 05/27/2018 02:21 PM, Matthias Bläsing wrote:
Hey Glenn,
Am Montag, den 23.04.2018, 06:22 -0500 schrieb Glenn Holmer:
The Postgres driver shipped with NetBeans is several years old. Any
chance that could be updated for 9.0?
I'm not sure when I'll have time to look at this. I doubt, that it will
make it into Netbeans 9.0. I opened NETBEANS-870 to track this:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-870
From my POV this might be a good issue to work on as an outsider. What
needs to be done:
- get an updated driver
- check the license
- update the db.drivers module with the new binary and updated license
- get it reviewed and merged
If anyone wants to do it, I'll review.
I'd like to work on this. I'll have lots of questions, but I want to
learn the NetBeans internals. I'm studying "NetBeans Platform for
Beginners" and the API docs on netbeans.org.
I had a look at NETBEANS-170 (referenced by 870):
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-170
If Postgres is the last driver still bundled with NetBeans, are the
above steps even worth the effort?
--
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"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
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Postgres JDBC driver
Posted by Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com>.
On 05/27/2018 02:21 PM, Matthias Bläsing wrote:
> Hey Glenn,
>
> Am Montag, den 23.04.2018, 06:22 -0500 schrieb Glenn Holmer:
>> The Postgres driver shipped with NetBeans is several years old. Any
>> chance that could be updated for 9.0?
>
> I'm not sure when I'll have time to look at this. I doubt, that it will
> make it into Netbeans 9.0. I opened NETBEANS-870 to track this:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-870
>
> From my POV this might be a good issue to work on as an outsider. What
> needs to be done:
>
> - get an updated driver
> - check the license
> - update the db.drivers module with the new binary and updated license
> - get it reviewed and merged
>
> If anyone wants to do it, I'll review.
I'd like to work on this. I'll have lots of questions, but I want to
learn the NetBeans internals. I'm studying "NetBeans Platform for
Beginners" and the API docs on netbeans.org.
I had a look at NETBEANS-170 (referenced by 870):
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-170
If Postgres is the last driver still bundled with NetBeans, are the
above steps even worth the effort?
--
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
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