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[VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Hi all,
since I'm unsure whether a PROPOSAL is needed for existing sandbox
components as old as compress I tried to be save and created one based
on the old Jakarta template:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/commons/sandbox/compress/trunk/PROPOSAL.txt?view=markup&pathrev=753102
RAT only flags a few test input files as files with missing licenses.
The vote will run for a week.
Stefan
-- ballot --
The compress component shall become a proper Commons component:
[ ] +1 Yes
[ ] -1 No
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On 2009-03-13, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/commons/sandbox/compress/trunk/PROPOSAL.txt?view=markup&pathrev=753102
> The compress component shall become a proper Commons component:
> [X] +1 Yes
> [ ] -1 No
Stefan
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Niall Pemberton
> <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> +0, no cycles for [compress] here either ATM.
>>
>> I make the same point to you I made to Henri. If people had voted this
>> way on the SCXML promotion then it would never have got out of the
>> sandbox (and that would have been a shame IMO).
>>
> <snip/>
>
> Yes, that would have been a shame IMO as well ;-)
>
> What you say above may be correct -- its hard to play out what-if
> scenarios. But its relatively easier to recap what actually happened.
> Since [scxml] is mentioned, lets use it as a data point:
>
> <history>
> The first vote for promotion failed (in fact, it got a -1 from mvdb
> because the vote wasn't getting any +1s ;-).
>
> Few months later, in the second vote for promotion, bayard expressed
> an opinion similar to what he said here (he posted a +0 initially):
>
> http://markmail.org/message/rzrvfn6q2x472yni
>
> In that sense, I'd say bayard is being consistent.
I disagree in the SCXML vote he says "I'd like to hear a few
committers who are committing to following scxml" compared to "I don't
plan to be involved...so +0" in this vote.
> That was followed immediately by some expression of interest and
> commitment from dion:
>
> http://markmail.org/message/zewkyss4sqonz2fd
>
> and interest from craigmcc as well (with an initial +0 for a similar reason):
>
> http://markmail.org/message/quidcdy33geabzml
>
> These two opinions (along with my own) precipitated some votes in
> favor resulting in a successful vote.
> </history>
>
> I believe we've said in order for a component to be promoted we are
> looking for some expression of "commitment" (in quotes for obvious
> reasons) from folks to mitigate the risk of thrown over the wall and
> quickly orphaned components. I also believe we've had folks voting
> differently (while some may +1, others tend to +0). I think thats
> fine.
Yes I agree this is a valid concern for any promotion vote - but thats
not what Henri said and I think my point is still valid that if all
PMC members only voted +1 on promotions of components they plan to
contribute to then the sandbox may as well be shut down. Fortunatly
thats not the case so far in this vote.
Niall
> -Rahul
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Niall Pemberton
<ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> +0, no cycles for [compress] here either ATM.
>
> I make the same point to you I made to Henri. If people had voted this
> way on the SCXML promotion then it would never have got out of the
> sandbox (and that would have been a shame IMO).
>
<snip/>
Yes, that would have been a shame IMO as well ;-)
What you say above may be correct -- its hard to play out what-if
scenarios. But its relatively easier to recap what actually happened.
Since [scxml] is mentioned, lets use it as a data point:
<history>
The first vote for promotion failed (in fact, it got a -1 from mvdb
because the vote wasn't getting any +1s ;-).
Few months later, in the second vote for promotion, bayard expressed
an opinion similar to what he said here (he posted a +0 initially):
http://markmail.org/message/rzrvfn6q2x472yni
In that sense, I'd say bayard is being consistent.
That was followed immediately by some expression of interest and
commitment from dion:
http://markmail.org/message/zewkyss4sqonz2fd
and interest from craigmcc as well (with an initial +0 for a similar reason):
http://markmail.org/message/quidcdy33geabzml
These two opinions (along with my own) precipitated some votes in
favor resulting in a successful vote.
</history>
I believe we've said in order for a component to be promoted we are
looking for some expression of "commitment" (in quotes for obvious
reasons) from folks to mitigate the risk of thrown over the wall and
quickly orphaned components. I also believe we've had folks voting
differently (while some may +1, others tend to +0). I think thats
fine.
-Rahul
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +0, no cycles for [compress] here either ATM.
I make the same point to you I made to Henri. If people had voted this
way on the SCXML promotion then it would never have got out of the
sandbox (and that would have been a shame IMO).
Niall
> -Rahul
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> since I'm unsure whether a PROPOSAL is needed for existing sandbox
>> components as old as compress I tried to be save and created one based
>> on the old Jakarta template:
>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/commons/sandbox/compress/trunk/PROPOSAL.txt?view=markup&pathrev=753102
>>
>> RAT only flags a few test input files as files with missing licenses.
>>
>> The vote will run for a week.
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>> -- ballot --
>>
>> The compress component shall become a proper Commons component:
>>
>> [ ] +1 Yes
>> [ ] -1 No
>>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>.
+0, no cycles for [compress] here either ATM.
-Rahul
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> since I'm unsure whether a PROPOSAL is needed for existing sandbox
> components as old as compress I tried to be save and created one based
> on the old Jakarta template:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/commons/sandbox/compress/trunk/PROPOSAL.txt?view=markup&pathrev=753102
>
> RAT only flags a few test input files as files with missing licenses.
>
> The vote will run for a week.
>
> Stefan
>
> -- ballot --
>
> The compress component shall become a proper Commons component:
>
> [ ] +1 Yes
> [ ] -1 No
>
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by Siegfried Goeschl <si...@it20one.at>.
+1 knowing that most ad-hoc attempts to implement archive handling is
broken ... :-)
Cheers,
Siegfried Goeschl
Stefan Bodewig wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> since I'm unsure whether a PROPOSAL is needed for existing sandbox
> components as old as compress I tried to be save and created one based
> on the old Jakarta template:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/commons/sandbox/compress/trunk/PROPOSAL.txt?view=markup&pathrev=753102
>
> RAT only flags a few test input files as files with missing licenses.
>
> The vote will run for a week.
>
> Stefan
>
> -- ballot --
>
> The compress component shall become a proper Commons component:
>
> [ ] +1 Yes
> [ ] -1 No
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>.
I'd like to add a comment to my vote :) Compress seems to have a
momentum at the moment from several committer and contributors. I
haven't been looking at the quality of patches/contributions submitted
but I would hope that the committers involved would be looking to
propose people to become committers.
Niall
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Niall Pemberton
<ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 from me.
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> +0 (meaning I'm in favour, but as I don't plan to be involved in the
>> short term then I won't vote +1; this being one of the few votes where
>> I think a +1 = "Yes and I'm going to volunteer time").
>
> If only pmc members planning to contribute vote +1 to promotions then
> we should probably shut down the sandbox because virtually nothing has
> the chance to graduate to proper. Voting +1 has nothing to do with
> contributing - same as releases.
>
> Niall
>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> since I'm unsure whether a PROPOSAL is needed for existing sandbox
>>> components as old as compress I tried to be save and created one based
>>> on the old Jakarta template:
>>>
>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/commons/sandbox/compress/trunk/PROPOSAL.txt?view=markup&pathrev=753102
>>>
>>> RAT only flags a few test input files as files with missing licenses.
>>>
>>> The vote will run for a week.
>>>
>>> Stefan
>>>
>>> -- ballot --
>>>
>>> The compress component shall become a proper Commons component:
>>>
>>> [ ] +1 Yes
>>> [ ] -1 No
>
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
+1
On 13/03/2009, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 2009-03-13, Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1 from me.
>
> Thanks Niall, I was already fearing the vote would fail since Torsten
> is on vacation so he won't be able to vote either.
>
>
> > If only pmc members planning to contribute vote +1 to promotions then
> > we should probably shut down the sandbox because virtually nothing has
> > the chance to graduate to proper.
>
>
> Henri's case may be a bit different since he is listed as one of the
> (only three) committers.
>
>
> Stefan
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On 2009-03-13, Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 from me.
Thanks Niall, I was already fearing the vote would fail since Torsten
is on vacation so he won't be able to vote either.
> If only pmc members planning to contribute vote +1 to promotions then
> we should probably shut down the sandbox because virtually nothing has
> the chance to graduate to proper.
Henri's case may be a bit different since he is listed as one of the
(only three) committers.
Stefan
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>.
+1 from me.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +0 (meaning I'm in favour, but as I don't plan to be involved in the
> short term then I won't vote +1; this being one of the few votes where
> I think a +1 = "Yes and I'm going to volunteer time").
If only pmc members planning to contribute vote +1 to promotions then
we should probably shut down the sandbox because virtually nothing has
the chance to graduate to proper. Voting +1 has nothing to do with
contributing - same as releases.
Niall
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> since I'm unsure whether a PROPOSAL is needed for existing sandbox
>> components as old as compress I tried to be save and created one based
>> on the old Jakarta template:
>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/commons/sandbox/compress/trunk/PROPOSAL.txt?view=markup&pathrev=753102
>>
>> RAT only flags a few test input files as files with missing licenses.
>>
>> The vote will run for a week.
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>> -- ballot --
>>
>> The compress component shall become a proper Commons component:
>>
>> [ ] +1 Yes
>> [ ] -1 No
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
+0 (meaning I'm in favour, but as I don't plan to be involved in the
short term then I won't vote +1; this being one of the few votes where
I think a +1 = "Yes and I'm going to volunteer time").
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> since I'm unsure whether a PROPOSAL is needed for existing sandbox
> components as old as compress I tried to be save and created one based
> on the old Jakarta template:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/commons/sandbox/compress/trunk/PROPOSAL.txt?view=markup&pathrev=753102
>
> RAT only flags a few test input files as files with missing licenses.
>
> The vote will run for a week.
>
> Stefan
>
> -- ballot --
>
> The compress component shall become a proper Commons component:
>
> [ ] +1 Yes
> [ ] -1 No
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by Dave Meikle <lo...@gmail.com>.
+1
2009/3/13 Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>
> Hi all,
>
> since I'm unsure whether a PROPOSAL is needed for existing sandbox
> components as old as compress I tried to be save and created one based
> on the old Jakarta template:
>
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/commons/sandbox/compress/trunk/PROPOSAL.txt?view=markup&pathrev=753102
>
> RAT only flags a few test input files as files with missing licenses.
>
> The vote will run for a week.
>
> Stefan
>
> -- ballot --
>
> The compress component shall become a proper Commons component:
>
> [ ] +1 Yes
> [ ] -1 No
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by Jörg Schaible <jo...@gmx.de>.
+1, it has currently more traffic and community support than some of the
proper components ;-)
Stefan Bodewig wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> since I'm unsure whether a PROPOSAL is needed for existing sandbox
> components as old as compress I tried to be save and created one based
> on the old Jakarta template:
>
>
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/commons/sandbox/compress/trunk/PROPOSAL.txt?view=markup&pathrev=753102
>
> RAT only flags a few test input files as files with missing licenses.
>
> The vote will run for a week.
>
> Stefan
>
> -- ballot --
>
> The compress component shall become a proper Commons component:
>
> [ ] +1 Yes
> [ ] -1 No
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
+1 from me
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Oliver Heger
<ol...@oliver-heger.de> wrote:
> +1
> Oliver
>
> Stefan Bodewig schrieb:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> since I'm unsure whether a PROPOSAL is needed for existing sandbox
>> components as old as compress I tried to be save and created one based
>> on the old Jakarta template:
>>
>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/commons/sandbox/compress/trunk/PROPOSAL.txt?view=markup&pathrev=753102
>>
>> RAT only flags a few test input files as files with missing licenses.
>>
>> The vote will run for a week.
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>> -- ballot --
>>
>> The compress component shall become a proper Commons component:
>>
>> [ ] +1 Yes
>> [ ] -1 No
>>
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by Oliver Heger <ol...@oliver-heger.de>.
+1
Oliver
Stefan Bodewig schrieb:
> Hi all,
>
> since I'm unsure whether a PROPOSAL is needed for existing sandbox
> components as old as compress I tried to be save and created one based
> on the old Jakarta template:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/commons/sandbox/compress/trunk/PROPOSAL.txt?view=markup&pathrev=753102
>
> RAT only flags a few test input files as files with missing licenses.
>
> The vote will run for a week.
>
> Stefan
>
> -- ballot --
>
> The compress component shall become a proper Commons component:
>
> [ ] +1 Yes
> [ ] -1 No
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
> The compress component shall become a proper Commons component:
[x] +1 Yes
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by Luc Maisonobe <Lu...@free.fr>.
Stefan Bodewig a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
> since I'm unsure whether a PROPOSAL is needed for existing sandbox
> components as old as compress I tried to be save and created one based
> on the old Jakarta template:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/commons/sandbox/compress/trunk/PROPOSAL.txt?view=markup&pathrev=753102
>
> RAT only flags a few test input files as files with missing licenses.
>
> The vote will run for a week.
>
> Stefan
>
> -- ballot --
>
> The compress component shall become a proper Commons component:
>
> [ ] +1 Yes
> [ ] -1 No
+1
Luc
>
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Re: [VOTE] Promote Compress to Commons Proper
Posted by Dennis Lundberg <de...@apache.org>.
+1
Stefan Bodewig wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> since I'm unsure whether a PROPOSAL is needed for existing sandbox
> components as old as compress I tried to be save and created one based
> on the old Jakarta template:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/commons/sandbox/compress/trunk/PROPOSAL.txt?view=markup&pathrev=753102
>
> RAT only flags a few test input files as files with missing licenses.
>
> The vote will run for a week.
>
> Stefan
>
> -- ballot --
>
> The compress component shall become a proper Commons component:
>
> [ ] +1 Yes
> [ ] -1 No
>
>
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