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Posted to dev@geronimo.apache.org by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net> on 2006/06/27 13:34:23 UTC
Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
It looks like I am going to make it to Dublin afterall.
I think this will be a good chance for anyone interested in Geronimo
clustering to get together and talk about scope, architecture,
resourcing, roadmap etc - in short, anything that we need to get the
beast rolled out.
Here is a link to a clustering architecture overview that I put together
some time ago - it's a little out of date. It doesn't mention Lingo,
which should be very useful for cluster management, the proposed Session
API or recent developments with geronimo-cache etc... but it is a good
starting point to demostrate the direction that I am coming from.
http://opensource.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Clustering
Covalent have kindly offered to host the meeting - its just up to us to
provide some content and some people :-)
Everyone with an interest in clustering is welcome. It will be very
informal, structure depending largely on who turns up.
If you would like to come, we need to know ASAP so that we can find a
window that will fit with the majority of your time constraints, so,
please join the thread and let us know. We are thinking of some time
thursday afternoon or evening. If you cannot make a slot during this
window, please mention it.
looking forward to seeing you all there,
Jules
--
"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
crystallises out around it."
/**********************************
* Jules Gosnell
* Partner
* Core Developers Network (Europe)
*
* www.coredevelopers.net
*
* Open Source Training & Support.
**********************************/
Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Report
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
Here is the promised report on the Geronimo Clustering get-together
held on thursday (6:00pm-8:00pm) in Dublin:
Attendees:
In the room :
Aaron Mulder
Alan Cabrera
Filip Hanik
Greg Wilkins
Jan Bartel
Jeremy Boynes
Jules Gosnell
Mark Brewer
Matt Hogstrom
Paul Buck
Phil Robinson
Rainer Jung
Winston Damarillo
On the phone:
Bill Dudney
Dain Sundstrom
Jeff Genender
Rajith Attapattu
We started by enumerating the areas that were felt to require some
form of clustering support (web, ejb, jndi, jms, deployment, management,
monitoring, pojo, db). The idea was to prioritise the outstanding
issues and thus scope work to be done. We used the first cut of this
document as a basis for this walkthrough :
http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC10/clustering.html
I shall be bringing this up to date with the meetings findings as soon
as I have arranged write access with the wiki's owners.
All of these areas were covered and priorities were assigned thus :
1 - Web
2 - EJB/JNDI
3 - Management/Monitoring/Provisioning
4 - .. remaining issues
We then looked at the software components available to us (ActiveMQ,
ActiveCluster, ActiveSpace, WADI, Tribes, Kache, Tomcat Clustering) -
also listed in the architecture document (to be updated with new
software components ASAP).
A number of interesting and useful points came up during the
discussion :
The 'fastest to market' clustering solution is not necessarily the
same as the 'optimal' clustering solution.
Multiple clustering solutions must be accomodated - APIs help
abstract away from implementations - facilitating this
Re: Web - although there seem to be two independant routes to a
session clustering API (the containers' own native session management
API vs a common Geronimo API), both must be made accessible since both
native (e.g. Tomcat clustering and WADI) and Geronimo (Kache)
solutions must be pluggable. Furthermore, the adaptor from native API
to Geronimo API requires the exposure of the native API to be plugged
in in the first place.
Re: EJB - stateless session beans, whilst stateless, may still be
facading more 'stateful' components, such as large trees of Entity
beans that may be expensive to throw away/reload - so it may be useful
to treat SLSBs as SFSBs as far as the session management API is
concerned - also providing some form of session affinity rather than
round robin load-balancing in the client stub.
Re: EJB - it may not be a requirement to add further clustered
support for Entity beans (i.e. clustered caches with distributed
invalidations etc).
Re: Management/Monitoring - tooling will hook in via standard and
possibly extended APIs made available via JMX. GBeans managing
e.g. native clustering solutions might adapt and make available
equivalent functionality.
Re: farmed deployment - It was noted that some form of pull/push
support deployment was available. Perhas Aaron's plugin architecture ?
Re: JMS - AMQ clustering is not yet integrated with Geronimo - it is
awaiting decisions on what the integration should look like.
Re: POJO clustering and JCache - whilst interesting, it is probably
better if users bring their own clustered caches to Geronimo and plug
them in, rather than Geronimo mandating the use of a single solution.
Re: Database clustering - This was also marked as probably out of
scope - although there was some discussion about the Sequoia project.
The support of 3rd party clustered components means that a number of
different implementations of a cluster may be in operation within any
given node at any given time. These different implementations may each
be from the ground up and share no code. Questions around this were e.g. :
- can we expose different components' ideas about cluster membership
through a common API (i.e. compare which nodes e.g. ProductA thinks
are running against e.g. what Geronimo thinks are running) ?
- should this preclude the usage of a common clustering layer and
therefore API in areas where we are building clustered Geronimo
services from the ground up - Sessions, Monitoring/Management, JNDI...
The Geronimo Session API came in for particular discussion. This
seemed to hinge around the fact that its aim might be to hide
clustering issues from client containers (although it actually exposes
a session's location and thus clustering issues at this level), but
that it would be useful if a lower level clustering API, on which
other clustered Geronimo services might be constructed, were also
exposed. There were a number of differing and strongly held positions
- including the view that trying to define what a cluster actually
was, was much too hard a task in the first place !
It was finally agreed that there should be a 2 week period during
which modifications and alternate session management apis might be
floated on the dev list. The need for a lower-level clustering API and
potential candidates for this role might also be debated during this
time. Immediately after this period, a vote would decide the way based
on the content of the discussion.
My aim was to return to the agenda after the Session API digression
and to discuss resourcing the work to be done and the possibility of a
rough roadmap from the current point to a realistic clustered feature
set, but the discussion around the Session API so engrossed the
particpants that it consumed nearly all of the second hour. By the
time we had brought it to conclusion, time was up and we had to vacate
the room. So we had to finish up rather abruptly.
In conclusion though - a very successful meeting :
- we brought many interested parties to the table
- all achieved a good overview of the problems confronting us
- we agreed and prioritised the main areas requiring investment
- we broke through an impasse surrounding the most important of these areas
- we set the scene for further debate and progress
My thanks to all the attendees for giving us the benefit of their time
and thought.
Thanks also to Matt Hogstrom and Jan Bartel for making their notes
available to me.
This mail only represents my own understanding of what was discussed
at the meeting. If you were there and have anything to add/subtract
from the above, please join the thread.
Looking forward to more discusion,
Jules
Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>
> It looks like I am going to make it to Dublin afterall.
>
> I think this will be a good chance for anyone interested in Geronimo
> clustering to get together and talk about scope, architecture,
> resourcing, roadmap etc - in short, anything that we need to get the
> beast rolled out.
>
> Here is a link to a clustering architecture overview that I put together
> some time ago - it's a little out of date. It doesn't mention Lingo,
> which should be very useful for cluster management, the proposed Session
> API or recent developments with geronimo-cache etc... but it is a good
> starting point to demostrate the direction that I am coming from.
>
> http://opensource.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Clustering
>
> Covalent have kindly offered to host the meeting - its just up to us to
> provide some content and some people :-)
>
> Everyone with an interest in clustering is welcome. It will be very
> informal, structure depending largely on who turns up.
>
> If you would like to come, we need to know ASAP so that we can find a
> window that will fit with the majority of your time constraints, so,
> please join the thread and let us know. We are thinking of some time
> thursday afternoon or evening. If you cannot make a slot during this
> window, please mention it.
>
>
> looking forward to seeing you all there,
>
>
>
> Jules
>
>
>
--
"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
crystallises out around it."
/**********************************
* Jules Gosnell
* Partner
* Core Developers Network (Europe)
*
* www.coredevelopers.net
*
* Open Source Training & Support.
**********************************/
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Report...
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
Guys,
They are taking down the network here in the next 5 mins or so and I am
only half way through the write up - so I am going to ask you all to
bear with me until I get home tomorrow.
Sorry to keep you all waiting,
Jules
Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>
> It looks like I am going to make it to Dublin afterall.
>
> I think this will be a good chance for anyone interested in Geronimo
> clustering to get together and talk about scope, architecture,
> resourcing, roadmap etc - in short, anything that we need to get the
> beast rolled out.
>
> Here is a link to a clustering architecture overview that I put
> together some time ago - it's a little out of date. It doesn't mention
> Lingo, which should be very useful for cluster management, the
> proposed Session API or recent developments with geronimo-cache etc...
> but it is a good starting point to demostrate the direction that I am
> coming from.
>
> http://opensource.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Clustering
>
>
> Covalent have kindly offered to host the meeting - its just up to us
> to provide some content and some people :-)
>
> Everyone with an interest in clustering is welcome. It will be very
> informal, structure depending largely on who turns up.
>
> If you would like to come, we need to know ASAP so that we can find a
> window that will fit with the majority of your time constraints, so,
> please join the thread and let us know. We are thinking of some time
> thursday afternoon or evening. If you cannot make a slot during this
> window, please mention it.
>
>
> looking forward to seeing you all there,
>
>
>
> Jules
>
>
>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs 6pm, O'Connell Mtg
Rm
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
just to say that we have managed to sort out a phone conference setup -
thanks to Matt for this
check out the thread - "Clustering BOF in Dublin, Meeting Logistics"
see/hear you all there,
Jules
Jules Gosnell wrote:
> Here are the final details :
>
> Thursday, 6:00pm, O'Connell Meeting Room, Suite 110
>
> Room, Soda and coffee provided courtesy of Covalent.
>
> See you there,
>
>
> Jules
>
>
>
> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> It looks like I am going to make it to Dublin afterall.
>>
>> I think this will be a good chance for anyone interested in Geronimo
>> clustering to get together and talk about scope, architecture,
>> resourcing, roadmap etc - in short, anything that we need to get the
>> beast rolled out.
>>
>> Here is a link to a clustering architecture overview that I put
>> together some time ago - it's a little out of date. It doesn't
>> mention Lingo, which should be very useful for cluster management,
>> the proposed Session API or recent developments with geronimo-cache
>> etc... but it is a good starting point to demostrate the direction
>> that I am coming from.
>>
>> http://opensource.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Clustering
>>
>>
>> Covalent have kindly offered to host the meeting - its just up to us
>> to provide some content and some people :-)
>>
>> Everyone with an interest in clustering is welcome. It will be very
>> informal, structure depending largely on who turns up.
>>
>> If you would like to come, we need to know ASAP so that we can find a
>> window that will fit with the majority of your time constraints, so,
>> please join the thread and let us know. We are thinking of some time
>> thursday afternoon or evening. If you cannot make a slot during this
>> window, please mention it.
>>
>>
>> looking forward to seeing you all there,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jules
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs 6pm, O'Connell Mtg
Rm
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
Here are the final details :
Thursday, 6:00pm, O'Connell Meeting Room, Suite 110
Room, Soda and coffee provided courtesy of Covalent.
See you there,
Jules
Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>
> It looks like I am going to make it to Dublin afterall.
>
> I think this will be a good chance for anyone interested in Geronimo
> clustering to get together and talk about scope, architecture,
> resourcing, roadmap etc - in short, anything that we need to get the
> beast rolled out.
>
> Here is a link to a clustering architecture overview that I put
> together some time ago - it's a little out of date. It doesn't mention
> Lingo, which should be very useful for cluster management, the
> proposed Session API or recent developments with geronimo-cache etc...
> but it is a good starting point to demostrate the direction that I am
> coming from.
>
> http://opensource.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Clustering
>
>
> Covalent have kindly offered to host the meeting - its just up to us
> to provide some content and some people :-)
>
> Everyone with an interest in clustering is welcome. It will be very
> informal, structure depending largely on who turns up.
>
> If you would like to come, we need to know ASAP so that we can find a
> window that will fit with the majority of your time constraints, so,
> please join the thread and let us know. We are thinking of some time
> thursday afternoon or evening. If you cannot make a slot during this
> window, please mention it.
>
>
> looking forward to seeing you all there,
>
>
>
> Jules
>
>
>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org>.
Actually...let me rephrase that...Bill Dudney and I will put it
together... ;-)
Jeff
Jeff Genender wrote:
> Hi Greg,
>
> Thanks for the ping. Let me see what I can get together...
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> Greg Wilkins wrote:
>> Jeff,
>>
>> this suggestion is probably too late....
>>
>> but given the deficiencies of dialin, would it be possible for you to post a short
>> summary of where your work with clustering is at?
>>
>> Is there a page on the(a?) wiki about the approach you are taking?
>> I can see the tomcat clustering page
>>
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC11/clustering.html
>>
>> and the overview page
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC10/clustering.html
>>
>> but nothing on kluster or the session API
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff Genender wrote:>
>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>> Guys,
>>>>
>>>> Covalent had to commit to a time - we went for 6:00pm on thursday.
>>>>
>>>> I realise that this may be a little earlier than some of you were hoping
>>>> for, but it was the best we could do at short notice - sorry.
>>>>
>>>> One further problem. We were not able to organise conferencing
>>>> facilities. If anyone thinks that they can work around this, perhaps via
>>>> skype or something, I would be happy to try to set something up - Has
>>>> anyone run a skype conference with 4 or 5 participants before ? Would
>>>> you like us to try?
>>>>
>>> Well, thats ok...thanks for giving a shot.
>>>
>>> I would ask that we bring as much to the lists afterwards as there are
>>> others who have/are doing considerable work in the clustering area and
>>> are not able to be there. It would be nice to be engaged in
>>> discussions. Thanks again for trying.
>>>
>>>> Jules
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was planning on attending the CeltiXFire BOF at 2100 Dublin time.
>>>>>>> 2200 is good from my perspective.
>>>>>> That's a little later than I was hoping for - my worry would be that
>>>>>> people who might otherwise be there will have packed up and gone home
>>>>>> by then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would rather a slot somewhere between 6:00pm and 9:00pm...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does that sound ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Evening you time would be best for me. It looks like there is an 8
>>>>>>>> hour time diff between Dublin and California, so anything after 6pm
>>>>>>>> your time would be good for me (10am here). I can go maybe an hour
>>>>>>>> earlier, but then I will be sleepy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jeff Genender wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> conference can participate?
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll look into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>>>>>>>>>> I would likely be interested too depending on time.
>>>>>>>>> OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve (dublin time)
>>>>>>>>> which would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can avoid them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
>>>>>>>>>>> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>>>>>>>>>>> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>>>>>>>>>>> didn't see this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
>>>>>>>>>>> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is
>>>>>>>>>>> rendered
>>>>>>>>>>> nonexistent.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
>>>>>>>>>>> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
>>>>>>>>>>> clarified a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> #ken P-)}
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>>>>>>>>>>> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
>>>>>>>>> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
>>>>>>>>> crystallises out around it."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /**********************************
>>>>>>>>> * Jules Gosnell
>>>>>>>>> * Partner
>>>>>>>>> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>> * www.coredevelopers.net
>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>> * Open Source Training & Support.
>>>>>>>>> **********************************/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org>.
Hi Greg,
Thanks for the ping. Let me see what I can get together...
Jeff
Greg Wilkins wrote:
> Jeff,
>
> this suggestion is probably too late....
>
> but given the deficiencies of dialin, would it be possible for you to post a short
> summary of where your work with clustering is at?
>
> Is there a page on the(a?) wiki about the approach you are taking?
> I can see the tomcat clustering page
>
> http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC11/clustering.html
>
> and the overview page
> http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC10/clustering.html
>
> but nothing on kluster or the session API
>
> cheers
>
>
>
>
> Jeff Genender wrote:>
>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> Covalent had to commit to a time - we went for 6:00pm on thursday.
>>>
>>> I realise that this may be a little earlier than some of you were hoping
>>> for, but it was the best we could do at short notice - sorry.
>>>
>>> One further problem. We were not able to organise conferencing
>>> facilities. If anyone thinks that they can work around this, perhaps via
>>> skype or something, I would be happy to try to set something up - Has
>>> anyone run a skype conference with 4 or 5 participants before ? Would
>>> you like us to try?
>>>
>> Well, thats ok...thanks for giving a shot.
>>
>> I would ask that we bring as much to the lists afterwards as there are
>> others who have/are doing considerable work in the clustering area and
>> are not able to be there. It would be nice to be engaged in
>> discussions. Thanks again for trying.
>>
>>> Jules
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was planning on attending the CeltiXFire BOF at 2100 Dublin time.
>>>>>> 2200 is good from my perspective.
>>>>> That's a little later than I was hoping for - my worry would be that
>>>>> people who might otherwise be there will have packed up and gone home
>>>>> by then.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would rather a slot somewhere between 6:00pm and 9:00pm...
>>>>>
>>>>> How does that sound ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jules
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Evening you time would be best for me. It looks like there is an 8
>>>>>>> hour time diff between Dublin and California, so anything after 6pm
>>>>>>> your time would be good for me (10am here). I can go maybe an hour
>>>>>>> earlier, but then I will be sleepy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeff Genender wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>>>>>>>>>> conference can participate?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll look into it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>>>>>>>>> I would likely be interested too depending on time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve (dublin time)
>>>>>>>> which would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can avoid them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
>>>>>>>>>> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>>>>>>>>>> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>>>>>>>>>> didn't see this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
>>>>>>>>>> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is
>>>>>>>>>> rendered
>>>>>>>>>> nonexistent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
>>>>>>>>>> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
>>>>>>>>>> clarified a bit.
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> #ken P-)}
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>>>>>>>>>> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
>>>>>>>> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
>>>>>>>> crystallises out around it."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /**********************************
>>>>>>>> * Jules Gosnell
>>>>>>>> * Partner
>>>>>>>> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> * www.coredevelopers.net
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> * Open Source Training & Support.
>>>>>>>> **********************************/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Rajith Attapattu <ra...@gmail.com>.
thanks Dain,
-rajith
On 6/29/06, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
>
> The link to the paper people are talking about out is here:
>
> http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC10/clustering.html
>
> -dain
>
> On Jun 29, 2006, at 9:41 AM, Bill Dudney wrote:
>
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> > Hopefully this is early enough for someone to look at.
> >
> > http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxDEV/Caching
> >
> > It need lots more detail - I have some graphics too but don't have
> > time to write them up before meeting so I'll try to get that done
> > this afternoon and update the wiki page.
> >
> > I'll be a bit late but I'll be there.
> >
> > Looking forward to it.
> >
> > TTFN,
> >
> > -bd-
> >
> > On Jun 29, 2006, at 8:00 AM, Greg Wilkins wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Jeff,
> >>
> >> this suggestion is probably too late....
> >>
> >> but given the deficiencies of dialin, would it be possible for you
> >> to post a short
> >> summary of where your work with clustering is at?
> >>
> >> Is there a page on the(a?) wiki about the approach you are taking?
> >> I can see the tomcat clustering page
> >>
> >> http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC11/clustering.html
> >>
> >> and the overview page
> >> http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC10/clustering.html
> >>
> >> but nothing on kluster or the session API
> >>
> >> cheers
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jeff Genender wrote:>
> >>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
> >>>> Guys,
> >>>>
> >>>> Covalent had to commit to a time - we went for 6:00pm on thursday.
> >>>>
> >>>> I realise that this may be a little earlier than some of you
> >>>> were hoping
> >>>> for, but it was the best we could do at short notice - sorry.
> >>>>
> >>>> One further problem. We were not able to organise conferencing
> >>>> facilities. If anyone thinks that they can work around this,
> >>>> perhaps via
> >>>> skype or something, I would be happy to try to set something up
> >>>> - Has
> >>>> anyone run a skype conference with 4 or 5 participants before ?
> >>>> Would
> >>>> you like us to try?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Well, thats ok...thanks for giving a shot.
> >>>
> >>> I would ask that we bring as much to the lists afterwards as
> >>> there are
> >>> others who have/are doing considerable work in the clustering
> >>> area and
> >>> are not able to be there. It would be nice to be engaged in
> >>> discussions. Thanks again for trying.
> >>>
> >>>> Jules
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Matt Hogstrom wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I was planning on attending the CeltiXFire BOF at 2100 Dublin
> >>>>>>> time.
> >>>>>>> 2200 is good from my perspective.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That's a little later than I was hoping for - my worry would
> >>>>>> be that
> >>>>>> people who might otherwise be there will have packed up and
> >>>>>> gone home
> >>>>>> by then.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would rather a slot somewhere between 6:00pm and 9:00pm...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How does that sound ?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jules
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Evening you time would be best for me. It looks like there
> >>>>>>>> is an 8
> >>>>>>>> hour time diff between Dublin and California, so anything
> >>>>>>>> after 6pm
> >>>>>>>> your time would be good for me (10am here). I can go maybe
> >>>>>>>> an hour
> >>>>>>>> earlier, but then I will be sleepy.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -dain
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jeff Genender wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> conference can participate?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'll look into it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I would likely be interested too depending on time.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve
> >>>>>>>>> (dublin time)
> >>>>>>>>> which would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can
> >>>>>>>>> avoid them.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jules
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jules
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> -dain
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but rather
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Covalent
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are simply
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here
> >>>>>>>>>>> in the
> >>>>>>>>>>> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
> >>>>>>>>>>> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
> >>>>>>>>>>> didn't see this.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The
> >>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship
> >>>>>>>>>>> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is
> >>>>>>>>>>> rendered
> >>>>>>>>>>> nonexistent.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper
> >>>>>>>>>>> notices) the
> >>>>>>>>>>> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're
> >>>>>>>>>>> figured out.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it
> >>>>>>>>>>> can be
> >>>>>>>>>>> clarified a bit.
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> #ken P-)}
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
> >>>>>>>>>>> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a
> >>>>>>>>> piece of
> >>>>>>>>> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole
> >>>>>>>>> operating-system
> >>>>>>>>> crystallises out around it."
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> /**********************************
> >>>>>>>>> * Jules Gosnell
> >>>>>>>>> * Partner
> >>>>>>>>> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
> >>>>>>>>> *
> >>>>>>>>> * www.coredevelopers.net
> >>>>>>>>> *
> >>>>>>>>> * Open Source Training & Support.
> >>>>>>>>> **********************************/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
The link to the paper people are talking about out is here:
http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC10/clustering.html
-dain
On Jun 29, 2006, at 9:41 AM, Bill Dudney wrote:
> Hi Greg,
>
> Hopefully this is early enough for someone to look at.
>
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxDEV/Caching
>
> It need lots more detail - I have some graphics too but don't have
> time to write them up before meeting so I'll try to get that done
> this afternoon and update the wiki page.
>
> I'll be a bit late but I'll be there.
>
> Looking forward to it.
>
> TTFN,
>
> -bd-
>
> On Jun 29, 2006, at 8:00 AM, Greg Wilkins wrote:
>
>>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> this suggestion is probably too late....
>>
>> but given the deficiencies of dialin, would it be possible for you
>> to post a short
>> summary of where your work with clustering is at?
>>
>> Is there a page on the(a?) wiki about the approach you are taking?
>> I can see the tomcat clustering page
>>
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC11/clustering.html
>>
>> and the overview page
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC10/clustering.html
>>
>> but nothing on kluster or the session API
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff Genender wrote:>
>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>> Guys,
>>>>
>>>> Covalent had to commit to a time - we went for 6:00pm on thursday.
>>>>
>>>> I realise that this may be a little earlier than some of you
>>>> were hoping
>>>> for, but it was the best we could do at short notice - sorry.
>>>>
>>>> One further problem. We were not able to organise conferencing
>>>> facilities. If anyone thinks that they can work around this,
>>>> perhaps via
>>>> skype or something, I would be happy to try to set something up
>>>> - Has
>>>> anyone run a skype conference with 4 or 5 participants before ?
>>>> Would
>>>> you like us to try?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, thats ok...thanks for giving a shot.
>>>
>>> I would ask that we bring as much to the lists afterwards as
>>> there are
>>> others who have/are doing considerable work in the clustering
>>> area and
>>> are not able to be there. It would be nice to be engaged in
>>> discussions. Thanks again for trying.
>>>
>>>> Jules
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was planning on attending the CeltiXFire BOF at 2100 Dublin
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>> 2200 is good from my perspective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a little later than I was hoping for - my worry would
>>>>>> be that
>>>>>> people who might otherwise be there will have packed up and
>>>>>> gone home
>>>>>> by then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would rather a slot somewhere between 6:00pm and 9:00pm...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does that sound ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Evening you time would be best for me. It looks like there
>>>>>>>> is an 8
>>>>>>>> hour time diff between Dublin and California, so anything
>>>>>>>> after 6pm
>>>>>>>> your time would be good for me (10am here). I can go maybe
>>>>>>>> an hour
>>>>>>>> earlier, but then I will be sleepy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jeff Genender wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> conference can participate?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll look into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would likely be interested too depending on time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve
>>>>>>>>> (dublin time)
>>>>>>>>> which would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can
>>>>>>>>> avoid them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Covalent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here
>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>>>>>>>>>>> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>>>>>>>>>>> didn't see this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The
>>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship
>>>>>>>>>>> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is
>>>>>>>>>>> rendered
>>>>>>>>>>> nonexistent.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper
>>>>>>>>>>> notices) the
>>>>>>>>>>> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're
>>>>>>>>>>> figured out.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it
>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>> clarified a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> #ken P-)}
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>>>>>>>>>>> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a
>>>>>>>>> piece of
>>>>>>>>> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole
>>>>>>>>> operating-system
>>>>>>>>> crystallises out around it."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /**********************************
>>>>>>>>> * Jules Gosnell
>>>>>>>>> * Partner
>>>>>>>>> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>> * www.coredevelopers.net
>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>> * Open Source Training & Support.
>>>>>>>>> **********************************/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Bill Dudney <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi Greg,
Hopefully this is early enough for someone to look at.
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxDEV/Caching
It need lots more detail - I have some graphics too but don't have
time to write them up before meeting so I'll try to get that done
this afternoon and update the wiki page.
I'll be a bit late but I'll be there.
Looking forward to it.
TTFN,
-bd-
On Jun 29, 2006, at 8:00 AM, Greg Wilkins wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> this suggestion is probably too late....
>
> but given the deficiencies of dialin, would it be possible for you
> to post a short
> summary of where your work with clustering is at?
>
> Is there a page on the(a?) wiki about the approach you are taking?
> I can see the tomcat clustering page
>
> http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC11/clustering.html
>
> and the overview page
> http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC10/clustering.html
>
> but nothing on kluster or the session API
>
> cheers
>
>
>
>
> Jeff Genender wrote:>
>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> Covalent had to commit to a time - we went for 6:00pm on thursday.
>>>
>>> I realise that this may be a little earlier than some of you were
>>> hoping
>>> for, but it was the best we could do at short notice - sorry.
>>>
>>> One further problem. We were not able to organise conferencing
>>> facilities. If anyone thinks that they can work around this,
>>> perhaps via
>>> skype or something, I would be happy to try to set something up -
>>> Has
>>> anyone run a skype conference with 4 or 5 participants before ?
>>> Would
>>> you like us to try?
>>>
>>
>> Well, thats ok...thanks for giving a shot.
>>
>> I would ask that we bring as much to the lists afterwards as there
>> are
>> others who have/are doing considerable work in the clustering area
>> and
>> are not able to be there. It would be nice to be engaged in
>> discussions. Thanks again for trying.
>>
>>> Jules
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was planning on attending the CeltiXFire BOF at 2100 Dublin
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>> 2200 is good from my perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a little later than I was hoping for - my worry would be
>>>>> that
>>>>> people who might otherwise be there will have packed up and
>>>>> gone home
>>>>> by then.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would rather a slot somewhere between 6:00pm and 9:00pm...
>>>>>
>>>>> How does that sound ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jules
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Evening you time would be best for me. It looks like there
>>>>>>> is an 8
>>>>>>> hour time diff between Dublin and California, so anything
>>>>>>> after 6pm
>>>>>>> your time would be good for me (10am here). I can go maybe
>>>>>>> an hour
>>>>>>> earlier, but then I will be sleepy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeff Genender wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>>>>>>>>>> conference can participate?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll look into it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would likely be interested too depending on time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve (dublin
>>>>>>>> time)
>>>>>>>> which would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can avoid
>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Covalent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here
>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>>>>>>>>>> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>>>>>>>>>> didn't see this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The
>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship
>>>>>>>>>> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is
>>>>>>>>>> rendered
>>>>>>>>>> nonexistent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper
>>>>>>>>>> notices) the
>>>>>>>>>> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're
>>>>>>>>>> figured out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it
>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>> clarified a bit.
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> #ken P-)}
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>>>>>>>>>> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a
>>>>>>>> piece of
>>>>>>>> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-
>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>> crystallises out around it."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /**********************************
>>>>>>>> * Jules Gosnell
>>>>>>>> * Partner
>>>>>>>> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> * www.coredevelopers.net
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> * Open Source Training & Support.
>>>>>>>> **********************************/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Greg Wilkins <gr...@mortbay.com>.
Jeff,
this suggestion is probably too late....
but given the deficiencies of dialin, would it be possible for you to post a short
summary of where your work with clustering is at?
Is there a page on the(a?) wiki about the approach you are taking?
I can see the tomcat clustering page
http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC11/clustering.html
and the overview page
http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC10/clustering.html
but nothing on kluster or the session API
cheers
Jeff Genender wrote:>
> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>> Guys,
>>
>> Covalent had to commit to a time - we went for 6:00pm on thursday.
>>
>> I realise that this may be a little earlier than some of you were hoping
>> for, but it was the best we could do at short notice - sorry.
>>
>> One further problem. We were not able to organise conferencing
>> facilities. If anyone thinks that they can work around this, perhaps via
>> skype or something, I would be happy to try to set something up - Has
>> anyone run a skype conference with 4 or 5 participants before ? Would
>> you like us to try?
>>
>
> Well, thats ok...thanks for giving a shot.
>
> I would ask that we bring as much to the lists afterwards as there are
> others who have/are doing considerable work in the clustering area and
> are not able to be there. It would be nice to be engaged in
> discussions. Thanks again for trying.
>
>> Jules
>>
>>
>>
>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>
>>>> Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was planning on attending the CeltiXFire BOF at 2100 Dublin time.
>>>>> 2200 is good from my perspective.
>>>>
>>>> That's a little later than I was hoping for - my worry would be that
>>>> people who might otherwise be there will have packed up and gone home
>>>> by then.
>>>>
>>>> I would rather a slot somewhere between 6:00pm and 9:00pm...
>>>>
>>>> How does that sound ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jules
>>>>
>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Evening you time would be best for me. It looks like there is an 8
>>>>>> hour time diff between Dublin and California, so anything after 6pm
>>>>>> your time would be good for me (10am here). I can go maybe an hour
>>>>>> earlier, but then I will be sleepy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff Genender wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>>>>>>>>> conference can participate?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll look into it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would likely be interested too depending on time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve (dublin time)
>>>>>>> which would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can avoid them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
>>>>>>>>> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>>>>>>>>> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>>>>>>>>> didn't see this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
>>>>>>>>> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is
>>>>>>>>> rendered
>>>>>>>>> nonexistent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
>>>>>>>>> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
>>>>>>>>> clarified a bit.
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> #ken P-)}
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>>>>>>>>> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
>>>>>>> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
>>>>>>> crystallises out around it."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /**********************************
>>>>>>> * Jules Gosnell
>>>>>>> * Partner
>>>>>>> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> * www.coredevelopers.net
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> * Open Source Training & Support.
>>>>>>> **********************************/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org>.
Jules Gosnell wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Covalent had to commit to a time - we went for 6:00pm on thursday.
>
> I realise that this may be a little earlier than some of you were hoping
> for, but it was the best we could do at short notice - sorry.
>
> One further problem. We were not able to organise conferencing
> facilities. If anyone thinks that they can work around this, perhaps via
> skype or something, I would be happy to try to set something up - Has
> anyone run a skype conference with 4 or 5 participants before ? Would
> you like us to try?
>
Well, thats ok...thanks for giving a shot.
I would ask that we bring as much to the lists afterwards as there are
others who have/are doing considerable work in the clustering area and
are not able to be there. It would be nice to be engaged in
discussions. Thanks again for trying.
>
> Jules
>
>
>
>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>
>>> Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was planning on attending the CeltiXFire BOF at 2100 Dublin time.
>>>> 2200 is good from my perspective.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's a little later than I was hoping for - my worry would be that
>>> people who might otherwise be there will have packed up and gone home
>>> by then.
>>>
>>> I would rather a slot somewhere between 6:00pm and 9:00pm...
>>>
>>> How does that sound ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jules
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Evening you time would be best for me. It looks like there is an 8
>>>>> hour time diff between Dublin and California, so anything after 6pm
>>>>> your time would be good for me (10am here). I can go maybe an hour
>>>>> earlier, but then I will be sleepy.
>>>>>
>>>>> -dain
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff Genender wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>>>>>>>> conference can participate?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll look into it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would likely be interested too depending on time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve (dublin time)
>>>>>> which would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can avoid them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but rather
>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent
>>>>>>>>>>>> are simply
>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
>>>>>>>> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>>>>>>>> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>>>>>>>> didn't see this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
>>>>>>>> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is
>>>>>>>> rendered
>>>>>>>> nonexistent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
>>>>>>>> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
>>>>>>>> clarified a bit.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> #ken P-)}
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>>>>>>>> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
>>>>>> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
>>>>>> crystallises out around it."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /**********************************
>>>>>> * Jules Gosnell
>>>>>> * Partner
>>>>>> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * www.coredevelopers.net
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * Open Source Training & Support.
>>>>>> **********************************/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
Bill Dudney wrote:
> Hi Jules,
>
> Too bad about the line, thanks for trying. Not sure how well this
> would work but maybe someone could hop on IRC and take notes and field
> questions?
I'll look into this suggestion and definitely post a summary of what
went down.
Jules
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Looking forward to the summary on the list afterwards.
>
> TTFN,
>
> Bill Dudney
> MyFaces - http://myfaces.apache.org
> Cayenne - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/cayenne.html
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:02 AM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>> John Sisson wrote:
>>
>>> I'd also be interested in calling in, preferably closer to 9:00pm if
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?
>>> day=29&month=6&year=2006&p1=78&p2=240&p3=137&p4=179
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> Guys,
>>
>> Covalent had to commit to a time - we went for 6:00pm on thursday.
>>
>> I realise that this may be a little earlier than some of you were
>> hoping for, but it was the best we could do at short notice - sorry.
>>
>> One further problem. We were not able to organise conferencing
>> facilities. If anyone thinks that they can work around this, perhaps
>> via skype or something, I would be happy to try to set something up -
>> Has anyone run a skype conference with 4 or 5 participants before ?
>> Would you like us to try?
>>
>>
>> Jules
>>
>>
>>
>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>
>>>> Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was planning on attending the CeltiXFire BOF at 2100 Dublin
>>>>> time. 2200 is good from my perspective.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a little later than I was hoping for - my worry would be
>>>> that people who might otherwise be there will have packed up and
>>>> gone home by then.
>>>>
>>>> I would rather a slot somewhere between 6:00pm and 9:00pm...
>>>>
>>>> How does that sound ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jules
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Evening you time would be best for me. It looks like there is an
>>>>>> 8 hour time diff between Dublin and California, so anything after
>>>>>> 6pm your time would be good for me (10am here). I can go maybe an
>>>>>> hour earlier, but then I will be sleepy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff Genender wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>>>>>>>>> conference can participate?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll look into it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would likely be interested too depending on time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve (dublin
>>>>>>> time) which would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can
>>>>>>> avoid them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship, but rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Covalent are simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
>>>>>>>>> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>>>>>>>>> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>>>>>>>>> didn't see this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The
>>>>>>>>> sponsorship
>>>>>>>>> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is
>>>>>>>>> rendered
>>>>>>>>> nonexistent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
>>>>>>>>> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
>>>>>>>>> clarified a bit.
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> #ken P-)}
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>>>>>>>>> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
>>>>>>> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-
>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>> crystallises out around it."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /**********************************
>>>>>>> * Jules Gosnell
>>>>>>> * Partner
>>>>>>> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> * www.coredevelopers.net
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> * Open Source Training & Support.
>>>>>>> **********************************/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Bill Dudney <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi Jules,
Too bad about the line, thanks for trying. Not sure how well this
would work but maybe someone could hop on IRC and take notes and
field questions?
Just a thought.
Looking forward to the summary on the list afterwards.
TTFN,
Bill Dudney
MyFaces - http://myfaces.apache.org
Cayenne - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/cayenne.html
On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:02 AM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
> John Sisson wrote:
>
>> I'd also be interested in calling in, preferably closer to 9:00pm
>> if possible.
>>
>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?
>> day=29&month=6&year=2006&p1=78&p2=240&p3=137&p4=179
>>
>> John
>>
> Guys,
>
> Covalent had to commit to a time - we went for 6:00pm on thursday.
>
> I realise that this may be a little earlier than some of you were
> hoping for, but it was the best we could do at short notice - sorry.
>
> One further problem. We were not able to organise conferencing
> facilities. If anyone thinks that they can work around this,
> perhaps via skype or something, I would be happy to try to set
> something up - Has anyone run a skype conference with 4 or 5
> participants before ? Would you like us to try?
>
>
> Jules
>
>
>
>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>
>>> Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was planning on attending the CeltiXFire BOF at 2100 Dublin
>>>> time. 2200 is good from my perspective.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's a little later than I was hoping for - my worry would be
>>> that people who might otherwise be there will have packed up and
>>> gone home by then.
>>>
>>> I would rather a slot somewhere between 6:00pm and 9:00pm...
>>>
>>> How does that sound ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jules
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Evening you time would be best for me. It looks like there is
>>>>> an 8 hour time diff between Dublin and California, so anything
>>>>> after 6pm your time would be good for me (10am here). I can go
>>>>> maybe an hour earlier, but then I will be sleepy.
>>>>>
>>>>> -dain
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff Genender wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at
>>>>>>>>> the conference can participate?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll look into it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would likely be interested too depending on time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve (dublin
>>>>>> time) which would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can
>>>>>> avoid them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with
>>>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship, but rather
>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?).
>>>>>>>>>>>> Covalent are simply
>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>>>>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>>>>>>>> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>>>>>>>> didn't see this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The
>>>>>>>> sponsorship
>>>>>>>> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is
>>>>>>>> rendered
>>>>>>>> nonexistent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper
>>>>>>>> notices) the
>>>>>>>> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured
>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
>>>>>>>> clarified a bit.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> #ken P-)}
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>>>>>>>> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a
>>>>>> piece of
>>>>>> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-
>>>>>> system
>>>>>> crystallises out around it."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /**********************************
>>>>>> * Jules Gosnell
>>>>>> * Partner
>>>>>> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * www.coredevelopers.net
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * Open Source Training & Support.
>>>>>> **********************************/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
John Sisson wrote:
> I'd also be interested in calling in, preferably closer to 9:00pm if
> possible.
>
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=29&month=6&year=2006&p1=78&p2=240&p3=137&p4=179
>
>
> John
>
Guys,
Covalent had to commit to a time - we went for 6:00pm on thursday.
I realise that this may be a little earlier than some of you were hoping
for, but it was the best we could do at short notice - sorry.
One further problem. We were not able to organise conferencing
facilities. If anyone thinks that they can work around this, perhaps via
skype or something, I would be happy to try to set something up - Has
anyone run a skype conference with 4 or 5 participants before ? Would
you like us to try?
Jules
> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>> Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>>
>>> I was planning on attending the CeltiXFire BOF at 2100 Dublin time.
>>> 2200 is good from my perspective.
>>
>>
>> That's a little later than I was hoping for - my worry would be that
>> people who might otherwise be there will have packed up and gone home
>> by then.
>>
>> I would rather a slot somewhere between 6:00pm and 9:00pm...
>>
>> How does that sound ?
>>
>>
>> Jules
>>
>>>
>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Evening you time would be best for me. It looks like there is an 8
>>>> hour time diff between Dublin and California, so anything after 6pm
>>>> your time would be good for me (10am here). I can go maybe an hour
>>>> earlier, but then I will be sleepy.
>>>>
>>>> -dain
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jeff Genender wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>>>>>>> conference can participate?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll look into it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would likely be interested too depending on time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve (dublin time)
>>>>> which would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can avoid them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jules
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship,
>>>>>>>>>>> but rather
>>>>>>>>>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent
>>>>>>>>>>> are simply
>>>>>>>>>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
>>>>>>> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>>>>>>> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>>>>>>> didn't see this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
>>>>>>> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is
>>>>>>> rendered
>>>>>>> nonexistent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
>>>>>>> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
>>>>>>> clarified a bit.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> #ken P-)}
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>>>>>>> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
>>>>> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
>>>>> crystallises out around it."
>>>>>
>>>>> /**********************************
>>>>> * Jules Gosnell
>>>>> * Partner
>>>>> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
>>>>> *
>>>>> * www.coredevelopers.net
>>>>> *
>>>>> * Open Source Training & Support.
>>>>> **********************************/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by John Sisson <jr...@gmail.com>.
I'd also be interested in calling in, preferably closer to 9:00pm if
possible.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=29&month=6&year=2006&p1=78&p2=240&p3=137&p4=179
John
Jules Gosnell wrote:
> Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>> I was planning on attending the CeltiXFire BOF at 2100 Dublin time.
>> 2200 is good from my perspective.
>
> That's a little later than I was hoping for - my worry would be that
> people who might otherwise be there will have packed up and gone home
> by then.
>
> I would rather a slot somewhere between 6:00pm and 9:00pm...
>
> How does that sound ?
>
>
> Jules
>
>>
>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Evening you time would be best for me. It looks like there is an 8
>>> hour time diff between Dublin and California, so anything after 6pm
>>> your time would be good for me (10am here). I can go maybe an hour
>>> earlier, but then I will be sleepy.
>>>
>>> -dain
>>>
>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeff Genender wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>>>>>> conference can participate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll look into it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would likely be interested too depending on time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve (dublin time)
>>>> which would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can avoid them.
>>>>
>>>> Jules
>>>>
>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship,
>>>>>>>>>> but rather
>>>>>>>>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent
>>>>>>>>>> are simply
>>>>>>>>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>>>>>>>>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
>>>>>> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>>>>>> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>>>>>> didn't see this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
>>>>>> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is rendered
>>>>>> nonexistent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
>>>>>> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
>>>>>> clarified a bit.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> #ken P-)}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>>>>>> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
>>>> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
>>>> crystallises out around it."
>>>>
>>>> /**********************************
>>>> * Jules Gosnell
>>>> * Partner
>>>> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
>>>> *
>>>> * www.coredevelopers.net
>>>> *
>>>> * Open Source Training & Support.
>>>> **********************************/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
Matt Hogstrom wrote:
> I was planning on attending the CeltiXFire BOF at 2100 Dublin time.
> 2200 is good from my perspective.
That's a little later than I was hoping for - my worry would be that
people who might otherwise be there will have packed up and gone home by
then.
I would rather a slot somewhere between 6:00pm and 9:00pm...
How does that sound ?
Jules
>
> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>
>> Evening you time would be best for me. It looks like there is an 8
>> hour time diff between Dublin and California, so anything after 6pm
>> your time would be good for me (10am here). I can go maybe an hour
>> earlier, but then I will be sleepy.
>>
>> -dain
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff Genender wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>>>>> conference can participate?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll look into it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>>>>
>>>> I would likely be interested too depending on time.
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve (dublin time)
>>> which would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can avoid them.
>>>
>>> Jules
>>>
>>>>> Jules
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -dain
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship,
>>>>>>>>> but rather
>>>>>>>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent
>>>>>>>>> are simply
>>>>>>>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>>>>>>>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
>>>>> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>>>>> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>>>>> didn't see this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
>>>>> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is rendered
>>>>> nonexistent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
>>>>> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
>>>>> clarified a bit.
>>>>> --
>>>>> #ken P-)}
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>>>>> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>>>>
>>>>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
>>> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
>>> crystallises out around it."
>>>
>>> /**********************************
>>> * Jules Gosnell
>>> * Partner
>>> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
>>> *
>>> * www.coredevelopers.net
>>> *
>>> * Open Source Training & Support.
>>> **********************************/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
--
"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
crystallises out around it."
/**********************************
* Jules Gosnell
* Partner
* Core Developers Network (Europe)
*
* www.coredevelopers.net
*
* Open Source Training & Support.
**********************************/
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Matt Hogstrom <ma...@hogstrom.org>.
I was planning on attending the CeltiXFire BOF at 2100 Dublin time. 2200 is good from my perspective.
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> Evening you time would be best for me. It looks like there is an 8 hour
> time diff between Dublin and California, so anything after 6pm your time
> would be good for me (10am here). I can go maybe an hour earlier, but
> then I will be sleepy.
>
> -dain
>
> On Jun 27, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>> Jeff Genender wrote:
>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>>>> conference can participate?
>>>>
>>>> I'll look into it.
>>>>
>>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>>> I would likely be interested too depending on time.
>>
>> OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve (dublin time)
>> which would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can avoid them.
>>
>> Jules
>>
>>>> Jules
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -dain
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship, but
>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent are
>>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>>>>>>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
>>>> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>>>> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>>>> didn't see this.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
>>>> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is rendered
>>>> nonexistent.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
>>>> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
>>>> clarified a bit.
>>>> --
>>>> #ken P-)}
>>>>
>>>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>>>> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>>>
>>>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>> --"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
>> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
>> crystallises out around it."
>>
>> /**********************************
>> * Jules Gosnell
>> * Partner
>> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
>> *
>> * www.coredevelopers.net
>> *
>> * Open Source Training & Support.
>> **********************************/
>
>
>
>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
Evening you time would be best for me. It looks like there is an 8
hour time diff between Dublin and California, so anything after 6pm
your time would be good for me (10am here). I can go maybe an hour
earlier, but then I will be sleepy.
-dain
On Jun 27, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
> Jeff Genender wrote:
>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>>> conference can participate?
>>>
>>> I'll look into it.
>>>
>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>> I would likely be interested too depending on time.
>
> OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve (dublin time)
> which would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can avoid them.
>
> Jules
>
>>> Jules
>>>
>>>
>>>> -dain
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship,
>>>>>>> but rather
>>>>>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent
>>>>>>> are simply
>>>>>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>>>>>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>>
>>>
>>> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
>>> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>>> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>>> didn't see this.
>>>
>>> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
>>> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is rendered
>>> nonexistent.
>>>
>>> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
>>> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
>>> clarified a bit.
>>> --
>>> #ken P-)}
>>>
>>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>>> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>>
>>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>>
>>>>
>
>
> --
> "Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
> crystallises out around it."
>
> /**********************************
> * Jules Gosnell
> * Partner
> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
> *
> * www.coredevelopers.net
> *
> * Open Source Training & Support.
> **********************************/
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
Jeff Genender wrote:
> I think I am fairly open...preferably later in the evening Dublin since
> I am in Colorado. But I am not fussy, because its highly likely my new
> baby will be fussy and thus I will be available at any time ;-)
OK - I'll see what I can do.
Congratulations on the new baby, BTW.
Jules
>
> Jeff
>
> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>>Jeff Genender wrote:
>>
>>>Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>>>>conference can participate?
>>>>
>>>>I'll look into it.
>>>>
>>>>Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>>>
>>>
>>>I would likely be interested too depending on time.
>>
>>OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve (dublin time) which
>>would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can avoid them.
>>
>>Jules
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>Jules
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>-dain
>>>>>
>>>>>On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship, but
>>>>>>>>rather
>>>>>>>>exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent are
>>>>>>>>simply
>>>>>>>>providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>>>>>>>>community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
>>>>public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>>>>notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>>>>didn't see this.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
>>>>was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is rendered
>>>>nonexistent.
>>>>
>>>>Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
>>>>details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
>>>>clarified a bit.
>>>>--
>>>>#ken P-)}
>>>>
>>>>Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>>>>Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>>>
>>>>"Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>
--
"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
crystallises out around it."
/**********************************
* Jules Gosnell
* Partner
* Core Developers Network (Europe)
*
* www.coredevelopers.net
*
* Open Source Training & Support.
**********************************/
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org>.
I think I am fairly open...preferably later in the evening Dublin since
I am in Colorado. But I am not fussy, because its highly likely my new
baby will be fussy and thus I will be available at any time ;-)
Jeff
Jules Gosnell wrote:
> Jeff Genender wrote:
>>
>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>
>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>>> conference can participate?
>>>
>>> I'll look into it.
>>>
>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>>
>>
>> I would likely be interested too depending on time.
>
> OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve (dublin time) which
> would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can avoid them.
>
> Jules
>
>>
>>
>>> Jules
>>>
>>>
>>>> -dain
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship, but
>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent are
>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>>>>>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>>
>>>
>>> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
>>> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>>> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>>> didn't see this.
>>>
>>> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
>>> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is rendered
>>> nonexistent.
>>>
>>> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
>>> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
>>> clarified a bit.
>>> --
>>> #ken P-)}
>>>
>>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>>> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>>
>>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
Jeff Genender wrote:
>
> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>>Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>
>>>Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>>conference can participate?
>>
>>I'll look into it.
>>
>>Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>
>
> I would likely be interested too depending on time.
OK, Jeff - so are there any windows on thurs aft/eve (dublin time) which
would not suit you ? Let us know, so that we can avoid them.
Jules
>
>
>>Jules
>>
>>
>>>-dain
>>>
>>>On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>>
>>
>>Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship, but rather
>>>>>>exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent are
>>>>>>simply
>>>>>>providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>>>>>>community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>
>>
>>That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
>>public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>>notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>>didn't see this.
>>
>>Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
>>was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is rendered
>>nonexistent.
>>
>>Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
>>details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>>
>>Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
>>clarified a bit.
>>--
>>#ken P-)}
>>
>>Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>>Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>
>>"Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>
>>>
>
--
"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
crystallises out around it."
/**********************************
* Jules Gosnell
* Partner
* Core Developers Network (Europe)
*
* www.coredevelopers.net
*
* Open Source Training & Support.
**********************************/
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org>.
Jules Gosnell wrote:
> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>> conference can participate?
>
> I'll look into it.
>
> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
I would likely be interested too depending on time.
>
> Jules
>
>>
>> -dain
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>
> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship, but rather
>>>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent are
>>>>> simply
>>>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>>>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>
>
> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
> didn't see this.
>
> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is rendered
> nonexistent.
>
> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>
> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
> clarified a bit.
> --
> #ken P-)}
>
> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>
> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>>
>>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
Bill Dudney wrote:
> Hi Jules,
>
> I'd be interested too.
Hi, Bill - good to hear from you.
OK - there's definitely a pattern emerging here :-) and a clear need for
some way of remotely accessing the meeting...
Let me see what I can do.
Jules
>
> 4pm your time or later would work fine.
>
> TTFN,
>
>
> Bill Dudney
> MyFaces - http://myfaces.apache.org
> Cayenne - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/cayenne.html
>
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2006, at 1:57 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>>>> conference can participate?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll look into it.
>>>>
>>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>>>
>>> Me depending when the meeting is.
>>> -dain
>>
>>
>> Good - this is why I haven't set a definite time yet.
>>
>> So, what times can you not manage on thurs aft/eve ? or is this just
>> a generally bad time for you ?
>>
>>
>> Jules
>>
>>
>> --
>> "Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
>> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
>> crystallises out around it."
>>
>> /**********************************
>> * Jules Gosnell
>> * Partner
>> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
>> *
>> * www.coredevelopers.net
>> *
>> * Open Source Training & Support.
>> **********************************/
>
>
--
"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
crystallises out around it."
/**********************************
* Jules Gosnell
* Partner
* Core Developers Network (Europe)
*
* www.coredevelopers.net
*
* Open Source Training & Support.
**********************************/
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Bill Dudney <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi Jules,
I'd be interested too.
4pm your time or later would work fine.
TTFN,
Bill Dudney
MyFaces - http://myfaces.apache.org
Cayenne - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/cayenne.html
On Jun 27, 2006, at 1:57 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>> On Jun 27, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>>> conference can participate?
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll look into it.
>>>
>>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>> Me depending when the meeting is.
>> -dain
>
> Good - this is why I haven't set a definite time yet.
>
> So, what times can you not manage on thurs aft/eve ? or is this
> just a generally bad time for you ?
>
>
> Jules
>
>
> --
> "Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
> string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
> crystallises out around it."
>
> /**********************************
> * Jules Gosnell
> * Partner
> * Core Developers Network (Europe)
> *
> * www.coredevelopers.net
> *
> * Open Source Training & Support.
> **********************************/
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> On Jun 27, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>>> conference can participate?
>>
>>
>> I'll look into it.
>>
>> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
>
>
> Me depending when the meeting is.
>
> -dain
Good - this is why I haven't set a definite time yet.
So, what times can you not manage on thurs aft/eve ? or is this just a
generally bad time for you ?
Jules
--
"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
crystallises out around it."
/**********************************
* Jules Gosnell
* Partner
* Core Developers Network (Europe)
*
* www.coredevelopers.net
*
* Open Source Training & Support.
**********************************/
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
On Jun 27, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Jules Gosnell wrote:
> Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
>> conference can participate?
>
> I'll look into it.
>
> Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
Me depending when the meeting is.
-dain
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the conference
> can participate?
I'll look into it.
Would anyone be interested in using such a feature ?
Jules
>
> -dain
>
> On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>
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>>
>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship, but rather
>>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent are simply
>>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>>
>>
>> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
>> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
>> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
>> didn't see this.
>>
>> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
>> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is rendered
>> nonexistent.
>>
>> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
>> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>>
>> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
>> clarified a bit.
>> - --
>> #ken P-)}
>>
>> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
>> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>>
>> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
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>
--
"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
crystallises out around it."
/**********************************
* Jules Gosnell
* Partner
* Core Developers Network (Europe)
*
* www.coredevelopers.net
*
* Open Source Training & Support.
**********************************/
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
Are you going to provide a call in line so people not at the
conference can participate?
-dain
On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>
>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship, but
>> rather
>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent are
>> simply
>> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>> community and you will be driving the meeting.
>
> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
> didn't see this.
>
> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is rendered
> nonexistent.
>
> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>
> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
> clarified a bit.
> - --
> #ken P-)}
>
> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>
> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
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Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>>Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship, but rather
>>exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent are simply
>>providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>>community and you will be driving the meeting.
>
>
> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
> didn't see this.
forgot to say:
yes - the notices are a good idea - I'll sort that out...
and...
>
> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is rendered
> nonexistent.
>
> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
of course - as soon as the venue is finalised.
Jules
>
> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
> clarified a bit.
> - --
> #ken P-)}
>
> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>
> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
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--
"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
crystallises out around it."
/**********************************
* Jules Gosnell
* Partner
* Core Developers Network (Europe)
*
* www.coredevelopers.net
*
* Open Source Training & Support.
**********************************/
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>>Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship, but rather
>>exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent are simply
>>providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
>>community and you will be driving the meeting.
>
>
> That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
> public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
> notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
> didn't see this.
>
> Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
> was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is rendered
> nonexistent.
>
Good - thanks, Ken, for the clarification.
Matt, unless I hear back from you to the contrary, I'll assume that your
concerns have been laid to rest and proceed as originally planned.
Jules
> Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
> details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
>
> Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
> clarified a bit.
> - --
> #ken P-)}
>
> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>
> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
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--
"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
crystallises out around it."
/**********************************
* Jules Gosnell
* Partner
* Core Developers Network (Europe)
*
* www.coredevelopers.net
*
* Open Source Training & Support.
**********************************/
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship, but rather
> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent are simply
> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
> community and you will be driving the meeting.
That should be cool. Firstly, it has been announced here in the
public list. Secondly, you should consider putting up a few
notice signs around ApacheCon to catch interested people who
didn't see this.
Yes, exclusion and lack of openness was the issue. The sponsorship
was mud in the water. By mentioning this here the issue is rendered
nonexistent.
Of course, you need to post (here and on those paper notices) the
details, such as time and place, as soon as they're figured out.
Thanks, Jules. And thanks for raising this, Matt, so it can be
clarified a bit.
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Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
oops - just found this one in my wadi-dev folder...
Matt Hogstrom wrote:
> Jules,
>
>
> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>> Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Jules its great you'll make it over here. I haven't really followed
>>> clustering since it was withdrawn from the Incubator so my apologies
>>> for not being current.
>>>
>>> It would be excellent to see what Wadi is doing.
>>
>>
>> not just WADI - but a wholistic approach to all Geronimo's clustering
>> issues....
>>
>>>
>>> However, Given the recent issue with the meeting in JavaOne I'm not
>>> sure I'm following the Covalent sponsorship since we'll be having the
>>> disucssion at an ApacheCon. Forgive me but I'm a little sensitive to
>>> the Corporate Sponsorship and Committers getting together ;-0
>>
>>
>> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship, but rather
>> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?).
>
>
> You are correct. My bad...sponsor away.
no problem - it is far better to err on the side of caution...
>
>> Covalent are simply providing a room and beer. The invitation is open
>> to the entire community and you will be driving the meeting. However,
>> if you are still uncomfortable with arrangements, I shall ask Covalent
>> to back out and I'll find an alternate route. The important thing is
>> that we don't waste this opportunity to get together interested
>> parties and discuss relevant issues, broadband... ?
>>
>
> Nope, talked to Covalent and I'm fine. Cheers.
>
>> So, should we ask Covalent to bow out ?
>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, I am in Dublin and am available. I think my only time
>>> constraints are Friday afternoon and a Wednesday night session I'm
>>> moderating at 1700.
>>
>>
>> excellent - I'll come back to the list as soon as I have a venue.
thanks, Matt,
I look forward to seeing you there.
Jules
>>
>>
>> Jules
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It looks like I am going to make it to Dublin afterall.
>>>>
>>>> I think this will be a good chance for anyone interested in Geronimo
>>>> clustering to get together and talk about scope, architecture,
>>>> resourcing, roadmap etc - in short, anything that we need to get the
>>>> beast rolled out.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a link to a clustering architecture overview that I put
>>>> together some time ago - it's a little out of date. It doesn't
>>>> mention Lingo, which should be very useful for cluster management,
>>>> the proposed Session API or recent developments with geronimo-cache
>>>> etc... but it is a good starting point to demostrate the direction
>>>> that I am coming from.
>>>>
>>>> http://opensource.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Clustering
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Covalent have kindly offered to host the meeting - its just up to us
>>>> to provide some content and some people :-)
>>>>
>>>> Everyone with an interest in clustering is welcome. It will be very
>>>> informal, structure depending largely on who turns up.
>>>>
>>>> If you would like to come, we need to know ASAP so that we can find
>>>> a window that will fit with the majority of your time constraints,
>>>> so, please join the thread and let us know. We are thinking of some
>>>> time thursday afternoon or evening. If you cannot make a slot during
>>>> this window, please mention it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> looking forward to seeing you all there,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jules
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
--
"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
crystallises out around it."
/**********************************
* Jules Gosnell
* Partner
* Core Developers Network (Europe)
*
* www.coredevelopers.net
*
* Open Source Training & Support.
**********************************/
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Matt Hogstrom <ma...@hogstrom.org>.
Jules,
Jules Gosnell wrote:
> Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>> Jules its great you'll make it over here. I haven't really followed
>> clustering since it was withdrawn from the Incubator so my apologies
>> for not being current.
>>
>> It would be excellent to see what Wadi is doing.
>
> not just WADI - but a wholistic approach to all Geronimo's clustering
> issues....
>
>>
>> However, Given the recent issue with the meeting in JavaOne I'm not
>> sure I'm following the Covalent sponsorship since we'll be having the
>> disucssion at an ApacheCon. Forgive me but I'm a little sensitive to
>> the Corporate Sponsorship and Committers getting together ;-0
>
> Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship, but rather
> exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?).
You are correct. My bad...sponsor away.
> Covalent are simply
> providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
> community and you will be driving the meeting. However, if you are still
> uncomfortable with arrangements, I shall ask Covalent to back out and
> I'll find an alternate route. The important thing is that we don't waste
> this opportunity to get together interested parties and discuss relevant
> issues, broadband... ?
>
Nope, talked to Covalent and I'm fine. Cheers.
> So, should we ask Covalent to bow out ?
>
>>
>> Anyway, I am in Dublin and am available. I think my only time
>> constraints are Friday afternoon and a Wednesday night session I'm
>> moderating at 1700.
>
> excellent - I'll come back to the list as soon as I have a venue.
>
>
> Jules
>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It looks like I am going to make it to Dublin afterall.
>>>
>>> I think this will be a good chance for anyone interested in Geronimo
>>> clustering to get together and talk about scope, architecture,
>>> resourcing, roadmap etc - in short, anything that we need to get the
>>> beast rolled out.
>>>
>>> Here is a link to a clustering architecture overview that I put
>>> together some time ago - it's a little out of date. It doesn't
>>> mention Lingo, which should be very useful for cluster management,
>>> the proposed Session API or recent developments with geronimo-cache
>>> etc... but it is a good starting point to demostrate the direction
>>> that I am coming from.
>>>
>>> http://opensource.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Clustering
>>>
>>>
>>> Covalent have kindly offered to host the meeting - its just up to us
>>> to provide some content and some people :-)
>>>
>>> Everyone with an interest in clustering is welcome. It will be very
>>> informal, structure depending largely on who turns up.
>>>
>>> If you would like to come, we need to know ASAP so that we can find a
>>> window that will fit with the majority of your time constraints, so,
>>> please join the thread and let us know. We are thinking of some time
>>> thursday afternoon or evening. If you cannot make a slot during this
>>> window, please mention it.
>>>
>>>
>>> looking forward to seeing you all there,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jules
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
Matt Hogstrom wrote:
> Jules its great you'll make it over here. I haven't really followed
> clustering since it was withdrawn from the Incubator so my apologies for
> not being current.
>
> It would be excellent to see what Wadi is doing.
not just WADI - but a wholistic approach to all Geronimo's clustering
issues....
>
> However, Given the recent issue with the meeting in JavaOne I'm not sure
> I'm following the Covalent sponsorship since we'll be having the
> disucssion at an ApacheCon. Forgive me but I'm a little sensitive to
> the Corporate Sponsorship and Committers getting together ;-0
Matt - I don't think that the problem was with sponsorship, but rather
exclusion... (maybe I've misunderstood something?). Covalent are simply
providing a room and beer. The invitation is open to the entire
community and you will be driving the meeting. However, if you are still
uncomfortable with arrangements, I shall ask Covalent to back out and
I'll find an alternate route. The important thing is that we don't waste
this opportunity to get together interested parties and discuss relevant
issues, broadband... ?
So, should we ask Covalent to bow out ?
>
> Anyway, I am in Dublin and am available. I think my only time
> constraints are Friday afternoon and a Wednesday night session I'm
> moderating at 1700.
excellent - I'll come back to the list as soon as I have a venue.
Jules
>
> Cheers
>
> Matt
>
> Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> It looks like I am going to make it to Dublin afterall.
>>
>> I think this will be a good chance for anyone interested in Geronimo
>> clustering to get together and talk about scope, architecture,
>> resourcing, roadmap etc - in short, anything that we need to get the
>> beast rolled out.
>>
>> Here is a link to a clustering architecture overview that I put
>> together some time ago - it's a little out of date. It doesn't mention
>> Lingo, which should be very useful for cluster management, the
>> proposed Session API or recent developments with geronimo-cache etc...
>> but it is a good starting point to demostrate the direction that I am
>> coming from.
>>
>> http://opensource.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Clustering
>>
>>
>> Covalent have kindly offered to host the meeting - its just up to us
>> to provide some content and some people :-)
>>
>> Everyone with an interest in clustering is welcome. It will be very
>> informal, structure depending largely on who turns up.
>>
>> If you would like to come, we need to know ASAP so that we can find a
>> window that will fit with the majority of your time constraints, so,
>> please join the thread and let us know. We are thinking of some time
>> thursday afternoon or evening. If you cannot make a slot during this
>> window, please mention it.
>>
>>
>> looking forward to seeing you all there,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jules
>>
>>
>>
--
"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
crystallises out around it."
/**********************************
* Jules Gosnell
* Partner
* Core Developers Network (Europe)
*
* www.coredevelopers.net
*
* Open Source Training & Support.
**********************************/
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Thurs aft/eve..
Posted by Matt Hogstrom <ma...@hogstrom.org>.
Jules its great you'll make it over here. I haven't really followed clustering since it was
withdrawn from the Incubator so my apologies for not being current.
It would be excellent to see what Wadi is doing.
However, Given the recent issue with the meeting in JavaOne I'm not sure I'm following the Covalent
sponsorship since we'll be having the disucssion at an ApacheCon. Forgive me but I'm a little
sensitive to the Corporate Sponsorship and Committers getting together ;-0
Anyway, I am in Dublin and am available. I think my only time constraints are Friday afternoon and
a Wednesday night session I'm moderating at 1700.
Cheers
Matt
Jules Gosnell wrote:
>
>
> It looks like I am going to make it to Dublin afterall.
>
> I think this will be a good chance for anyone interested in Geronimo
> clustering to get together and talk about scope, architecture,
> resourcing, roadmap etc - in short, anything that we need to get the
> beast rolled out.
>
> Here is a link to a clustering architecture overview that I put together
> some time ago - it's a little out of date. It doesn't mention Lingo,
> which should be very useful for cluster management, the proposed Session
> API or recent developments with geronimo-cache etc... but it is a good
> starting point to demostrate the direction that I am coming from.
>
> http://opensource.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/GERONIMO/Clustering
>
> Covalent have kindly offered to host the meeting - its just up to us to
> provide some content and some people :-)
>
> Everyone with an interest in clustering is welcome. It will be very
> informal, structure depending largely on who turns up.
>
> If you would like to come, we need to know ASAP so that we can find a
> window that will fit with the majority of your time constraints, so,
> please join the thread and let us know. We are thinking of some time
> thursday afternoon or evening. If you cannot make a slot during this
> window, please mention it.
>
>
> looking forward to seeing you all there,
>
>
>
> Jules
>
>
>
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Report
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
Thanks, Greg,
The more views on what was actually discussed and decided the better.
I hope to have some constructive thoughts on the session API and a
propsed clustering API shortly - time allowing.
Jules
Greg Wilkins wrote:
> All,
>
> I am going to give my own short report on the meeting. I'm not
> intending to decent from Jules report - simply to give a short version
> that highlights the important issues (for me).
>
>
> We covered lots of clustering requirements and issues - made us all
> realize how big and challenging a complete clustering solution is.
> There are few easy wins here.
>
> Views on what we are aiming for ranged from "we need world class solution
> for all aspects of clustering" to "we need something that works for the
> tick box aspects ASAP". Many thought both.
>
> A pluggable API approach to allow multiple implementations was widely
> accepted as the best way to go.
>
> The session API is the current focus for putting clustering in G.
> Some do not think it should be... but for better or worse it is.
>
> Views on the current session API ranged from: "it is pretty good for
> the job." through "it is the best we can expect to do" and "it is
> adequate for what it is, but we need more" to "it is totally
> unsatisfactory".
>
> It was apparent that it was difficult to discuss other aspects
> of clustering (eg management/configuration) with out the conversation
> returning to the suitability or otherwise of the session API.
>
> Matt floated the idea that in order to move on, we have a period of review on
> the session API (which we time box). Critics of the API have the next few
> weeks to make the case to either extend, re factor or replace this API,
> after which we should try to push through to working implementations (with
> the normal amount of agile refactoring etc.).
>
> This was accepted as the key outcome of the meeting.
>
>
>
> Some secondary points:
>
> We frequently blurred and then clarified the somewhat conflicting requirements
> for clustering for availability and clustering for scalability. It is very
> easy to miss communicate when talking clustering!
>
> It was pointed out that even with a G clustering API, we will have to work
> within the limitations of the implementations that we plug into it and we
> cannot dictate G implementations of things like heartbeats and cluster
> discovery. The counter point to this was that it would be good that if
> an implementation we could use a standard API to extract cluster meta data
> from an implementation that did do heartbeats and discover, for reuse by
> one that did not (eg JNDI impl could get it's list of known nodes from the
> HTTP session impl).
>
>
> cheers
>
--
"Open Source is a self-assembling organism. You dangle a piece of
string into a super-saturated solution and a whole operating-system
crystallises out around it."
/**********************************
* Jules Gosnell
* Partner
* Core Developers Network (Europe)
*
* www.coredevelopers.net
*
* Open Source Training & Support.
**********************************/
Re: Dublin - Clustering get-together.... - Report
Posted by Greg Wilkins <gr...@mortbay.com>.
All,
I am going to give my own short report on the meeting. I'm not
intending to decent from Jules report - simply to give a short version
that highlights the important issues (for me).
We covered lots of clustering requirements and issues - made us all
realize how big and challenging a complete clustering solution is.
There are few easy wins here.
Views on what we are aiming for ranged from "we need world class solution
for all aspects of clustering" to "we need something that works for the
tick box aspects ASAP". Many thought both.
A pluggable API approach to allow multiple implementations was widely
accepted as the best way to go.
The session API is the current focus for putting clustering in G.
Some do not think it should be... but for better or worse it is.
Views on the current session API ranged from: "it is pretty good for
the job." through "it is the best we can expect to do" and "it is
adequate for what it is, but we need more" to "it is totally
unsatisfactory".
It was apparent that it was difficult to discuss other aspects
of clustering (eg management/configuration) with out the conversation
returning to the suitability or otherwise of the session API.
Matt floated the idea that in order to move on, we have a period of review on
the session API (which we time box). Critics of the API have the next few
weeks to make the case to either extend, re factor or replace this API,
after which we should try to push through to working implementations (with
the normal amount of agile refactoring etc.).
This was accepted as the key outcome of the meeting.
Some secondary points:
We frequently blurred and then clarified the somewhat conflicting requirements
for clustering for availability and clustering for scalability. It is very
easy to miss communicate when talking clustering!
It was pointed out that even with a G clustering API, we will have to work
within the limitations of the implementations that we plug into it and we
cannot dictate G implementations of things like heartbeats and cluster
discovery. The counter point to this was that it would be good that if
an implementation we could use a standard API to extract cluster meta data
from an implementation that did do heartbeats and discover, for reuse by
one that did not (eg JNDI impl could get it's list of known nodes from the
HTTP session impl).
cheers