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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> on 2018/06/28 16:44:12 UTC
Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
I've been trying to be patient around this, but I think this month's
incubator report must be "Gossip is going to exit incubation" (I'm not
sure what the proper verb is here; I only know that "retire" is wrong)
We've gone through many months where the only traffic I've seen on the
mailing list are the report reminders.
This doesn't need to be interpreted as "Gossip is a failure at the ASF"
or anything of the such. It just means "It's not the right time for
Gossip at the ASF incubator". By all means, we can bring it back into
incubation if we get some more community traction behind the project.
On 6/27/18 5:41 PM, jmclean@apache.org wrote:
> Dear podling,
>
> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
> Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
> prepare your quarterly board report.
>
> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 July 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
> The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
> report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
> before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
> submission (Wed, July 04).
>
> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
> PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
> very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board
> meeting.
>
> Candidate names should not be made public before people are actually
> elected, so please do not include the names of potential committers or
> PPMC members in your report.
>
> Thanks,
>
> The Apache Incubator PMC
>
> Submitting your Report
>
> ----------------------
>
> Your report should contain the following:
>
> * Your project name
> * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
> the project or necessarily of its field
> * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
> towards graduation.
> * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be
> aware of
> * How has the community developed since the last report
> * How has the project developed since the last report.
> * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
>
> This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
>
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2018
>
> Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before
> this page is created from a template.
>
> Mentors
> -------
>
> Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on
> the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
> following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
> for the Incubator PMC.
>
> Incubator PMC
>
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Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi -
It’s not too late to report.
Regards,
Dave
> On Jul 5, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Pointed this out on the Gossip list:
>
> AirflowAmaterasuAnnotatorBatchEEGobblinGossipHAWQLivyMilagroMXNetNetBeansODF
> ToolkitPLC4XRyaS2GraphSensSoftServiceCombTraffic ControlWeex
>
> Pointing out of this list 10 failed to report in July.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi -
>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 4:45 AM, Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Also at one point the project was assigned a "shepard" who never signed
>> off
>>> on a single report even when the project was active. His first
>> interaction
>>> for the project was vote to moth ball it.
>>
>> There is a difference between Mentors and Shepherds. A shepherd is
>> assigned for a reporting cycle to look into the podling to see how things
>> are going. I was assigned as shepherd this month and have left my comments
>> along with an email. Your mentors are supposed to provide guidance in the
>> Apache Way. If your mentors are absent then that is a different matter. If
>> you would like new mentors then please ask here on this list.
>>
>> If on the other hand the Gossip community feels that the Apache Way and
>> particularly the release process is too much process and not enough coding
>> then that is your choice.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 7:35 AM, Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I want to get this out there. I do not know why everyone is stuck on
>>>> gossip. There are some TLP that do not have activity for years and
>> podlings
>>>> much older then gossip. I can give numerous examples.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 1:10 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That sounds like retirement to me. The way I've always seen it is that
>>>>> podlings don't fail, the people behind them simply had a change in
>>>>> priorities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gossip is a great toolkit that I believe people will continue to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 12:44 PM Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been trying to be patient around this, but I think this month's
>>>>>> incubator report must be "Gossip is going to exit incubation" (I'm not
>>>>>> sure what the proper verb is here; I only know that "retire" is wrong)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've gone through many months where the only traffic I've seen on the
>>>>>> mailing list are the report reminders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This doesn't need to be interpreted as "Gossip is a failure at the
>> ASF"
>>>>>> or anything of the such. It just means "It's not the right time for
>>>>>> Gossip at the ASF incubator". By all means, we can bring it back into
>>>>>> incubation if we get some more community traction behind the project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/27/18 5:41 PM, jmclean@apache.org wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear podling,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
>>>>>>> Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time
>> to
>>>>>>> prepare your quarterly board report.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 July 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
>>>>>>> The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
>>>>>>> report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2
>> weeks
>>>>>>> before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
>>>>>>> submission (Wed, July 04).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
>>>>>>> PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
>>>>>>> very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the
>>>>> board
>>>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Candidate names should not be made public before people are actually
>>>>>>> elected, so please do not include the names of potential committers
>> or
>>>>>>> PPMC members in your report.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Apache Incubator PMC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Submitting your Report
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your report should contain the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Your project name
>>>>>>> * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge
>> of
>>>>>>> the project or necessarily of its field
>>>>>>> * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
>>>>>>> towards graduation.
>>>>>>> * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to
>>>>> be
>>>>>>> aware of
>>>>>>> * How has the community developed since the last report
>>>>>>> * How has the project developed since the last report.
>>>>>>> * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2018
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little
>> before
>>>>>>> this page is created from a template.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mentors
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off
>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
>>>>>>> following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
>>>>>>> for the Incubator PMC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Incubator PMC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
Posted by Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com>.
Pointed this out on the Gossip list:
AirflowAmaterasuAnnotatorBatchEEGobblinGossipHAWQLivyMilagroMXNetNetBeansODF
ToolkitPLC4XRyaS2GraphSensSoftServiceCombTraffic ControlWeex
Pointing out of this list 10 failed to report in July.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi -
>
> > On Jul 5, 2018, at 4:45 AM, Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Also at one point the project was assigned a "shepard" who never signed
> off
> > on a single report even when the project was active. His first
> interaction
> > for the project was vote to moth ball it.
>
> There is a difference between Mentors and Shepherds. A shepherd is
> assigned for a reporting cycle to look into the podling to see how things
> are going. I was assigned as shepherd this month and have left my comments
> along with an email. Your mentors are supposed to provide guidance in the
> Apache Way. If your mentors are absent then that is a different matter. If
> you would like new mentors then please ask here on this list.
>
> If on the other hand the Gossip community feels that the Apache Way and
> particularly the release process is too much process and not enough coding
> then that is your choice.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 7:35 AM, Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I want to get this out there. I do not know why everyone is stuck on
> >> gossip. There are some TLP that do not have activity for years and
> podlings
> >> much older then gossip. I can give numerous examples.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 1:10 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> That sounds like retirement to me. The way I've always seen it is that
> >>> podlings don't fail, the people behind them simply had a change in
> >>> priorities.
> >>>
> >>> Gossip is a great toolkit that I believe people will continue to use.
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 12:44 PM Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I've been trying to be patient around this, but I think this month's
> >>>> incubator report must be "Gossip is going to exit incubation" (I'm not
> >>>> sure what the proper verb is here; I only know that "retire" is wrong)
> >>>>
> >>>> We've gone through many months where the only traffic I've seen on the
> >>>> mailing list are the report reminders.
> >>>>
> >>>> This doesn't need to be interpreted as "Gossip is a failure at the
> ASF"
> >>>> or anything of the such. It just means "It's not the right time for
> >>>> Gossip at the ASF incubator". By all means, we can bring it back into
> >>>> incubation if we get some more community traction behind the project.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 6/27/18 5:41 PM, jmclean@apache.org wrote:
> >>>>> Dear podling,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
> >>>>> Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time
> to
> >>>>> prepare your quarterly board report.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 July 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
> >>>>> The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
> >>>>> report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2
> weeks
> >>>>> before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
> >>>>> submission (Wed, July 04).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
> >>>>> PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
> >>>>> very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the
> >>> board
> >>>>> meeting.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Candidate names should not be made public before people are actually
> >>>>> elected, so please do not include the names of potential committers
> or
> >>>>> PPMC members in your report.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Apache Incubator PMC
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Submitting your Report
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Your report should contain the following:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * Your project name
> >>>>> * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge
> of
> >>>>> the project or necessarily of its field
> >>>>> * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
> >>>>> towards graduation.
> >>>>> * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to
> >>> be
> >>>>> aware of
> >>>>> * How has the community developed since the last report
> >>>>> * How has the project developed since the last report.
> >>>>> * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2018
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little
> before
> >>>>> this page is created from a template.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mentors
> >>>>> -------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off
> >>> on
> >>>>> the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
> >>>>> following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
> >>>>> for the Incubator PMC.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Incubator PMC
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi -
> On Jul 5, 2018, at 4:45 AM, Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Also at one point the project was assigned a "shepard" who never signed off
> on a single report even when the project was active. His first interaction
> for the project was vote to moth ball it.
There is a difference between Mentors and Shepherds. A shepherd is assigned for a reporting cycle to look into the podling to see how things are going. I was assigned as shepherd this month and have left my comments along with an email. Your mentors are supposed to provide guidance in the Apache Way. If your mentors are absent then that is a different matter. If you would like new mentors then please ask here on this list.
If on the other hand the Gossip community feels that the Apache Way and particularly the release process is too much process and not enough coding then that is your choice.
Regards,
Dave
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 7:35 AM, Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I want to get this out there. I do not know why everyone is stuck on
>> gossip. There are some TLP that do not have activity for years and podlings
>> much older then gossip. I can give numerous examples.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 1:10 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That sounds like retirement to me. The way I've always seen it is that
>>> podlings don't fail, the people behind them simply had a change in
>>> priorities.
>>>
>>> Gossip is a great toolkit that I believe people will continue to use.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 12:44 PM Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been trying to be patient around this, but I think this month's
>>>> incubator report must be "Gossip is going to exit incubation" (I'm not
>>>> sure what the proper verb is here; I only know that "retire" is wrong)
>>>>
>>>> We've gone through many months where the only traffic I've seen on the
>>>> mailing list are the report reminders.
>>>>
>>>> This doesn't need to be interpreted as "Gossip is a failure at the ASF"
>>>> or anything of the such. It just means "It's not the right time for
>>>> Gossip at the ASF incubator". By all means, we can bring it back into
>>>> incubation if we get some more community traction behind the project.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/27/18 5:41 PM, jmclean@apache.org wrote:
>>>>> Dear podling,
>>>>>
>>>>> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
>>>>> Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
>>>>> prepare your quarterly board report.
>>>>>
>>>>> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 July 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
>>>>> The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
>>>>> report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
>>>>> before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
>>>>> submission (Wed, July 04).
>>>>>
>>>>> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
>>>>> PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
>>>>> very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the
>>> board
>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Candidate names should not be made public before people are actually
>>>>> elected, so please do not include the names of potential committers or
>>>>> PPMC members in your report.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> The Apache Incubator PMC
>>>>>
>>>>> Submitting your Report
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Your report should contain the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Your project name
>>>>> * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
>>>>> the project or necessarily of its field
>>>>> * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
>>>>> towards graduation.
>>>>> * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to
>>> be
>>>>> aware of
>>>>> * How has the community developed since the last report
>>>>> * How has the project developed since the last report.
>>>>> * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
>>>>>
>>>>> This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2018
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before
>>>>> this page is created from a template.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mentors
>>>>> -------
>>>>>
>>>>> Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off
>>> on
>>>>> the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
>>>>> following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
>>>>> for the Incubator PMC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Incubator PMC
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
Posted by Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com>.
Also at one point the project was assigned a "shepard" who never signed off
on a single report even when the project was active. His first interaction
for the project was vote to moth ball it.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 7:35 AM, Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I want to get this out there. I do not know why everyone is stuck on
> gossip. There are some TLP that do not have activity for years and podlings
> much older then gossip. I can give numerous examples.
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 1:10 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> That sounds like retirement to me. The way I've always seen it is that
>> podlings don't fail, the people behind them simply had a change in
>> priorities.
>>
>> Gossip is a great toolkit that I believe people will continue to use.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 12:44 PM Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I've been trying to be patient around this, but I think this month's
>> > incubator report must be "Gossip is going to exit incubation" (I'm not
>> > sure what the proper verb is here; I only know that "retire" is wrong)
>> >
>> > We've gone through many months where the only traffic I've seen on the
>> > mailing list are the report reminders.
>> >
>> > This doesn't need to be interpreted as "Gossip is a failure at the ASF"
>> > or anything of the such. It just means "It's not the right time for
>> > Gossip at the ASF incubator". By all means, we can bring it back into
>> > incubation if we get some more community traction behind the project.
>> >
>> > On 6/27/18 5:41 PM, jmclean@apache.org wrote:
>> > > Dear podling,
>> > >
>> > > This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
>> > > Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
>> > > prepare your quarterly board report.
>> > >
>> > > The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 July 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
>> > > The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
>> > > report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
>> > > before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
>> > > submission (Wed, July 04).
>> > >
>> > > Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
>> > > PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
>> > > very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the
>> board
>> > > meeting.
>> > >
>> > > Candidate names should not be made public before people are actually
>> > > elected, so please do not include the names of potential committers or
>> > > PPMC members in your report.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > The Apache Incubator PMC
>> > >
>> > > Submitting your Report
>> > >
>> > > ----------------------
>> > >
>> > > Your report should contain the following:
>> > >
>> > > * Your project name
>> > > * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
>> > > the project or necessarily of its field
>> > > * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
>> > > towards graduation.
>> > > * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to
>> be
>> > > aware of
>> > > * How has the community developed since the last report
>> > > * How has the project developed since the last report.
>> > > * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
>> > >
>> > > This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
>> > >
>> > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2018
>> > >
>> > > Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before
>> > > this page is created from a template.
>> > >
>> > > Mentors
>> > > -------
>> > >
>> > > Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off
>> on
>> > > the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
>> > > following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
>> > > for the Incubator PMC.
>> > >
>> > > Incubator PMC
>> > >
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:35 AM Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I want to get this out there. I do not know why everyone is stuck on
> gossip. There are some TLP that do not have activity for years and podlings
> much older then gossip. I can give numerous examples.
Please do give these examples. They may need to retire as well.
Closing down projects that have no activity and no ability to respond to
security reports is an ongoing effort. It isn't focussed just on gossip by
any means.
The real problem arises when a project is clearly inert but one or more
people pop up when retirement is mentioned. Then nothing happens. Letting
go is good in those cases.
Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@codeconsult.ch>.
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:36 PM Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...I want to get this out there. I do not know why everyone is stuck on
> gossip....
It's not "everyone" - Josh who's a Gossip mentor says:
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 6:44 PM Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...We've gone through many months where the only traffic I've seen on the
> mailing list are the report reminders....
You are right that some TLPs have little activity, but they also don't
use much volunteer energy beyond people who are involved in them.
Podlings, on the other hand, consume energy from the Incubator and
from its mentors, so we don't want podlings to stay inactive for long
- a podling needs to be working and growing towards graduation, to
make space for other podlings in a reasonable time.
Retiring from graduation does not mean failure - the Apache model does
not fit all projects and communities, there's no shame in continuing
work elsewhere if incubation is not progressing.
I don't know much about Gossip, speaking in general terms only.
-Bertrand
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Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
Posted by Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com>.
I want to get this out there. I do not know why everyone is stuck on
gossip. There are some TLP that do not have activity for years and podlings
much older then gossip. I can give numerous examples.
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 1:10 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
wrote:
> That sounds like retirement to me. The way I've always seen it is that
> podlings don't fail, the people behind them simply had a change in
> priorities.
>
> Gossip is a great toolkit that I believe people will continue to use.
>
> John
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 12:44 PM Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I've been trying to be patient around this, but I think this month's
> > incubator report must be "Gossip is going to exit incubation" (I'm not
> > sure what the proper verb is here; I only know that "retire" is wrong)
> >
> > We've gone through many months where the only traffic I've seen on the
> > mailing list are the report reminders.
> >
> > This doesn't need to be interpreted as "Gossip is a failure at the ASF"
> > or anything of the such. It just means "It's not the right time for
> > Gossip at the ASF incubator". By all means, we can bring it back into
> > incubation if we get some more community traction behind the project.
> >
> > On 6/27/18 5:41 PM, jmclean@apache.org wrote:
> > > Dear podling,
> > >
> > > This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
> > > Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
> > > prepare your quarterly board report.
> > >
> > > The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 July 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
> > > The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
> > > report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
> > > before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
> > > submission (Wed, July 04).
> > >
> > > Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
> > > PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
> > > very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board
> > > meeting.
> > >
> > > Candidate names should not be made public before people are actually
> > > elected, so please do not include the names of potential committers or
> > > PPMC members in your report.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > The Apache Incubator PMC
> > >
> > > Submitting your Report
> > >
> > > ----------------------
> > >
> > > Your report should contain the following:
> > >
> > > * Your project name
> > > * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
> > > the project or necessarily of its field
> > > * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
> > > towards graduation.
> > > * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to
> be
> > > aware of
> > > * How has the community developed since the last report
> > > * How has the project developed since the last report.
> > > * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
> > >
> > > This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
> > >
> > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2018
> > >
> > > Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before
> > > this page is created from a template.
> > >
> > > Mentors
> > > -------
> > >
> > > Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on
> > > the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
> > > following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
> > > for the Incubator PMC.
> > >
> > > Incubator PMC
> > >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
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>
Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
Posted by David Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
There is a discussion of retirement process on general@incubator.
This is one of those cases where the Github code could be returned to where it was before. https://github.com/edwardcapriolo/gossip/
Regards,
Dave
On 2018/06/28 17:22:30, Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> Ah, maybe "moving to the Attic" is the phrase I was trying to avoid then
> :). Thanks, John.
>
> Agreed on the software still being great and going to receive love.
>
> On 6/28/18 1:10 PM, John D. Ament wrote:
> > That sounds like retirement to me. The way I've always seen it is that
> > podlings don't fail, the people behind them simply had a change in
> > priorities.
> >
> > Gossip is a great toolkit that I believe people will continue to use.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 12:44 PM Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I've been trying to be patient around this, but I think this month's
> >> incubator report must be "Gossip is going to exit incubation" (I'm not
> >> sure what the proper verb is here; I only know that "retire" is wrong)
> >>
> >> We've gone through many months where the only traffic I've seen on the
> >> mailing list are the report reminders.
> >>
> >> This doesn't need to be interpreted as "Gossip is a failure at the ASF"
> >> or anything of the such. It just means "It's not the right time for
> >> Gossip at the ASF incubator". By all means, we can bring it back into
> >> incubation if we get some more community traction behind the project.
> >>
> >> On 6/27/18 5:41 PM, jmclean@apache.org wrote:
> >>> Dear podling,
> >>>
> >>> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
> >>> Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
> >>> prepare your quarterly board report.
> >>>
> >>> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 July 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
> >>> The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
> >>> report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
> >>> before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
> >>> submission (Wed, July 04).
> >>>
> >>> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
> >>> PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
> >>> very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board
> >>> meeting.
> >>>
> >>> Candidate names should not be made public before people are actually
> >>> elected, so please do not include the names of potential committers or
> >>> PPMC members in your report.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> The Apache Incubator PMC
> >>>
> >>> Submitting your Report
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------
> >>>
> >>> Your report should contain the following:
> >>>
> >>> * Your project name
> >>> * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
> >>> the project or necessarily of its field
> >>> * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
> >>> towards graduation.
> >>> * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be
> >>> aware of
> >>> * How has the community developed since the last report
> >>> * How has the project developed since the last report.
> >>> * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
> >>>
> >>> This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
> >>>
> >>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2018
> >>>
> >>> Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before
> >>> this page is created from a template.
> >>>
> >>> Mentors
> >>> -------
> >>>
> >>> Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on
> >>> the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
> >>> following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
> >>> for the Incubator PMC.
> >>>
> >>> Incubator PMC
> >>>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >>
> >>
> >
>
Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:02 AM Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Also what is the point of forcing us into this monthly reporting cycle? It
> is kinda stressing me out. Is this a new thing just to harass me into
> retirement.
>
That is a common step if a project doesn't produce reports reliably or
seems to have a significant disfunction.
It isn't usually a stressor at the level it appears to be in this case.
It is definitely not harassment aimed at you.
>
> Also I asked about this:
>
> http://apache-incubator-general.996316.n3.nabble.com/Suggestion-for-podling-reminder-report-emails-td59035.html
> . Whats up with that? I mean its so worth wild to start this close down the
> podling convo like every month, but no one can go out and fix the email.
>
I think that would be great to have fixed. It bugs me when I get emails and
have to drill in to figure out what's up. Of course, I haven't found time
to contribute a fix, so I try to be circumspect in my frustration.
My guess is that it would be the work of a moment to do the fix but many
hours to figure out how. Sounds like you are are as time crunched as I, so
it isn't happening based on your efforts or mine.
In any case, the fact that an email subject line doesn't get augmented
isn't actually a good reason to keep a project alive if it has really
should retire. Two completely separate issues.
Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
Posted by Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com>.
Also what is the point of forcing us into this monthly reporting cycle? It
is kinda stressing me out. Is this a new thing just to harass me into
retirement.
Also I asked about this:
http://apache-incubator-general.996316.n3.nabble.com/Suggestion-for-podling-reminder-report-emails-td59035.html
. Whats up with that? I mean its so worth wild to start this close down the
podling convo like every month, but no one can go out and fix the email.
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 2:42 PM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We have been working for quite some time to desensitize people so that they
> don't have a strong emotional cost associated with different ways to leave
> incubation. That animus just gets people to avoid the right decision for
> far too long.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 10:22 Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Ah, maybe "moving to the Attic" is the phrase I was trying to avoid then
> > :). Thanks, John.
> >
> > Agreed on the software still being great and going to receive love.
> >
> > On 6/28/18 1:10 PM, John D. Ament wrote:
> > > That sounds like retirement to me. The way I've always seen it is that
> > > podlings don't fail, the people behind them simply had a change in
> > > priorities.
> > >
> > > Gossip is a great toolkit that I believe people will continue to use.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 12:44 PM Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I've been trying to be patient around this, but I think this month's
> > >> incubator report must be "Gossip is going to exit incubation" (I'm not
> > >> sure what the proper verb is here; I only know that "retire" is wrong)
> > >>
> > >> We've gone through many months where the only traffic I've seen on the
> > >> mailing list are the report reminders.
> > >>
> > >> This doesn't need to be interpreted as "Gossip is a failure at the
> ASF"
> > >> or anything of the such. It just means "It's not the right time for
> > >> Gossip at the ASF incubator". By all means, we can bring it back into
> > >> incubation if we get some more community traction behind the project.
> > >>
> > >> On 6/27/18 5:41 PM, jmclean@apache.org wrote:
> > >>> Dear podling,
> > >>>
> > >>> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
> > >>> Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time
> to
> > >>> prepare your quarterly board report.
> > >>>
> > >>> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 July 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
> > >>> The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
> > >>> report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2
> weeks
> > >>> before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
> > >>> submission (Wed, July 04).
> > >>>
> > >>> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
> > >>> PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
> > >>> very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the
> board
> > >>> meeting.
> > >>>
> > >>> Candidate names should not be made public before people are actually
> > >>> elected, so please do not include the names of potential committers
> or
> > >>> PPMC members in your report.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>>
> > >>> The Apache Incubator PMC
> > >>>
> > >>> Submitting your Report
> > >>>
> > >>> ----------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> Your report should contain the following:
> > >>>
> > >>> * Your project name
> > >>> * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge
> of
> > >>> the project or necessarily of its field
> > >>> * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
> > >>> towards graduation.
> > >>> * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to
> > be
> > >>> aware of
> > >>> * How has the community developed since the last report
> > >>> * How has the project developed since the last report.
> > >>> * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
> > >>>
> > >>> This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
> > >>>
> > >>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2018
> > >>>
> > >>> Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little
> before
> > >>> this page is created from a template.
> > >>>
> > >>> Mentors
> > >>> -------
> > >>>
> > >>> Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off
> on
> > >>> the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
> > >>> following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
> > >>> for the Incubator PMC.
> > >>>
> > >>> Incubator PMC
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
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> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
>
Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
We have been working for quite some time to desensitize people so that they
don't have a strong emotional cost associated with different ways to leave
incubation. That animus just gets people to avoid the right decision for
far too long.
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 10:22 Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> Ah, maybe "moving to the Attic" is the phrase I was trying to avoid then
> :). Thanks, John.
>
> Agreed on the software still being great and going to receive love.
>
> On 6/28/18 1:10 PM, John D. Ament wrote:
> > That sounds like retirement to me. The way I've always seen it is that
> > podlings don't fail, the people behind them simply had a change in
> > priorities.
> >
> > Gossip is a great toolkit that I believe people will continue to use.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 12:44 PM Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I've been trying to be patient around this, but I think this month's
> >> incubator report must be "Gossip is going to exit incubation" (I'm not
> >> sure what the proper verb is here; I only know that "retire" is wrong)
> >>
> >> We've gone through many months where the only traffic I've seen on the
> >> mailing list are the report reminders.
> >>
> >> This doesn't need to be interpreted as "Gossip is a failure at the ASF"
> >> or anything of the such. It just means "It's not the right time for
> >> Gossip at the ASF incubator". By all means, we can bring it back into
> >> incubation if we get some more community traction behind the project.
> >>
> >> On 6/27/18 5:41 PM, jmclean@apache.org wrote:
> >>> Dear podling,
> >>>
> >>> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
> >>> Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
> >>> prepare your quarterly board report.
> >>>
> >>> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 July 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
> >>> The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
> >>> report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
> >>> before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
> >>> submission (Wed, July 04).
> >>>
> >>> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
> >>> PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
> >>> very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board
> >>> meeting.
> >>>
> >>> Candidate names should not be made public before people are actually
> >>> elected, so please do not include the names of potential committers or
> >>> PPMC members in your report.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> The Apache Incubator PMC
> >>>
> >>> Submitting your Report
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------
> >>>
> >>> Your report should contain the following:
> >>>
> >>> * Your project name
> >>> * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
> >>> the project or necessarily of its field
> >>> * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
> >>> towards graduation.
> >>> * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to
> be
> >>> aware of
> >>> * How has the community developed since the last report
> >>> * How has the project developed since the last report.
> >>> * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
> >>>
> >>> This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
> >>>
> >>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2018
> >>>
> >>> Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before
> >>> this page is created from a template.
> >>>
> >>> Mentors
> >>> -------
> >>>
> >>> Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on
> >>> the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
> >>> following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
> >>> for the Incubator PMC.
> >>>
> >>> Incubator PMC
> >>>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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>
>
Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
Posted by Josh Elser <el...@apache.org>.
Ah, maybe "moving to the Attic" is the phrase I was trying to avoid then
:). Thanks, John.
Agreed on the software still being great and going to receive love.
On 6/28/18 1:10 PM, John D. Ament wrote:
> That sounds like retirement to me. The way I've always seen it is that
> podlings don't fail, the people behind them simply had a change in
> priorities.
>
> Gossip is a great toolkit that I believe people will continue to use.
>
> John
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 12:44 PM Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> I've been trying to be patient around this, but I think this month's
>> incubator report must be "Gossip is going to exit incubation" (I'm not
>> sure what the proper verb is here; I only know that "retire" is wrong)
>>
>> We've gone through many months where the only traffic I've seen on the
>> mailing list are the report reminders.
>>
>> This doesn't need to be interpreted as "Gossip is a failure at the ASF"
>> or anything of the such. It just means "It's not the right time for
>> Gossip at the ASF incubator". By all means, we can bring it back into
>> incubation if we get some more community traction behind the project.
>>
>> On 6/27/18 5:41 PM, jmclean@apache.org wrote:
>>> Dear podling,
>>>
>>> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
>>> Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
>>> prepare your quarterly board report.
>>>
>>> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 July 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
>>> The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
>>> report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
>>> before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
>>> submission (Wed, July 04).
>>>
>>> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
>>> PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
>>> very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board
>>> meeting.
>>>
>>> Candidate names should not be made public before people are actually
>>> elected, so please do not include the names of potential committers or
>>> PPMC members in your report.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> The Apache Incubator PMC
>>>
>>> Submitting your Report
>>>
>>> ----------------------
>>>
>>> Your report should contain the following:
>>>
>>> * Your project name
>>> * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
>>> the project or necessarily of its field
>>> * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
>>> towards graduation.
>>> * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be
>>> aware of
>>> * How has the community developed since the last report
>>> * How has the project developed since the last report.
>>> * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
>>>
>>> This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2018
>>>
>>> Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before
>>> this page is created from a template.
>>>
>>> Mentors
>>> -------
>>>
>>> Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on
>>> the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
>>> following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
>>> for the Incubator PMC.
>>>
>>> Incubator PMC
>>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>
>>
>
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Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
Posted by Josh Elser <el...@apache.org>.
Ah, maybe "moving to the Attic" is the phrase I was trying to avoid then
:). Thanks, John.
Agreed on the software still being great and going to receive love.
On 6/28/18 1:10 PM, John D. Ament wrote:
> That sounds like retirement to me. The way I've always seen it is that
> podlings don't fail, the people behind them simply had a change in
> priorities.
>
> Gossip is a great toolkit that I believe people will continue to use.
>
> John
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 12:44 PM Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> I've been trying to be patient around this, but I think this month's
>> incubator report must be "Gossip is going to exit incubation" (I'm not
>> sure what the proper verb is here; I only know that "retire" is wrong)
>>
>> We've gone through many months where the only traffic I've seen on the
>> mailing list are the report reminders.
>>
>> This doesn't need to be interpreted as "Gossip is a failure at the ASF"
>> or anything of the such. It just means "It's not the right time for
>> Gossip at the ASF incubator". By all means, we can bring it back into
>> incubation if we get some more community traction behind the project.
>>
>> On 6/27/18 5:41 PM, jmclean@apache.org wrote:
>>> Dear podling,
>>>
>>> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
>>> Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
>>> prepare your quarterly board report.
>>>
>>> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 July 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
>>> The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
>>> report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
>>> before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
>>> submission (Wed, July 04).
>>>
>>> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
>>> PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
>>> very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board
>>> meeting.
>>>
>>> Candidate names should not be made public before people are actually
>>> elected, so please do not include the names of potential committers or
>>> PPMC members in your report.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> The Apache Incubator PMC
>>>
>>> Submitting your Report
>>>
>>> ----------------------
>>>
>>> Your report should contain the following:
>>>
>>> * Your project name
>>> * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
>>> the project or necessarily of its field
>>> * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
>>> towards graduation.
>>> * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be
>>> aware of
>>> * How has the community developed since the last report
>>> * How has the project developed since the last report.
>>> * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
>>>
>>> This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2018
>>>
>>> Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before
>>> this page is created from a template.
>>>
>>> Mentors
>>> -------
>>>
>>> Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on
>>> the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
>>> following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
>>> for the Incubator PMC.
>>>
>>> Incubator PMC
>>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>
>>
>
Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
That sounds like retirement to me. The way I've always seen it is that
podlings don't fail, the people behind them simply had a change in
priorities.
Gossip is a great toolkit that I believe people will continue to use.
John
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 12:44 PM Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> I've been trying to be patient around this, but I think this month's
> incubator report must be "Gossip is going to exit incubation" (I'm not
> sure what the proper verb is here; I only know that "retire" is wrong)
>
> We've gone through many months where the only traffic I've seen on the
> mailing list are the report reminders.
>
> This doesn't need to be interpreted as "Gossip is a failure at the ASF"
> or anything of the such. It just means "It's not the right time for
> Gossip at the ASF incubator". By all means, we can bring it back into
> incubation if we get some more community traction behind the project.
>
> On 6/27/18 5:41 PM, jmclean@apache.org wrote:
> > Dear podling,
> >
> > This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
> > Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
> > prepare your quarterly board report.
> >
> > The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 July 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
> > The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
> > report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
> > before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
> > submission (Wed, July 04).
> >
> > Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
> > PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
> > very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board
> > meeting.
> >
> > Candidate names should not be made public before people are actually
> > elected, so please do not include the names of potential committers or
> > PPMC members in your report.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > The Apache Incubator PMC
> >
> > Submitting your Report
> >
> > ----------------------
> >
> > Your report should contain the following:
> >
> > * Your project name
> > * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
> > the project or necessarily of its field
> > * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
> > towards graduation.
> > * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be
> > aware of
> > * How has the community developed since the last report
> > * How has the project developed since the last report.
> > * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
> >
> > This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
> >
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2018
> >
> > Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before
> > this page is created from a template.
> >
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> >
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> > for the Incubator PMC.
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Re: Podling Report Reminder - July 2018
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
That sounds like retirement to me. The way I've always seen it is that
podlings don't fail, the people behind them simply had a change in
priorities.
Gossip is a great toolkit that I believe people will continue to use.
John
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 12:44 PM Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> I've been trying to be patient around this, but I think this month's
> incubator report must be "Gossip is going to exit incubation" (I'm not
> sure what the proper verb is here; I only know that "retire" is wrong)
>
> We've gone through many months where the only traffic I've seen on the
> mailing list are the report reminders.
>
> This doesn't need to be interpreted as "Gossip is a failure at the ASF"
> or anything of the such. It just means "It's not the right time for
> Gossip at the ASF incubator". By all means, we can bring it back into
> incubation if we get some more community traction behind the project.
>
> On 6/27/18 5:41 PM, jmclean@apache.org wrote:
> > Dear podling,
> >
> > This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
> > Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
> > prepare your quarterly board report.
> >
> > The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 July 2018, 10:30 am PDT.
> > The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
> > report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
> > before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
> > submission (Wed, July 04).
> >
> > Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
> > PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
> > very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board
> > meeting.
> >
> > Candidate names should not be made public before people are actually
> > elected, so please do not include the names of potential committers or
> > PPMC members in your report.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > The Apache Incubator PMC
> >
> > Submitting your Report
> >
> > ----------------------
> >
> > Your report should contain the following:
> >
> > * Your project name
> > * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
> > the project or necessarily of its field
> > * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
> > towards graduation.
> > * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be
> > aware of
> > * How has the community developed since the last report
> > * How has the project developed since the last report.
> > * How does the podling rate their own maturity.
> >
> > This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
> >
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2018
> >
> > Note: This is manually populated. You may need to wait a little before
> > this page is created from a template.
> >
> > Mentors
> > -------
> >
> > Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on
> > the Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are
> > following the project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms
> > for the Incubator PMC.
> >
> > Incubator PMC
> >
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