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Posted to dev@tinkerpop.apache.org by Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com> on 2021/04/29 17:24:23 UTC
3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
3.5.0 is a fairly big release. There's too much in there to summarize in a
single announcement email. I was thinking that we might produce multiple
tweets/posts to follow the main announcement that would call attention to
important changes. I think that each announcement should hopefully do a bit
more than re-hash the upgrade documentation - hopefully each announcement
can either expand on a batch of changes or focus in on a single item from
the upgrade docs.
We'd look to start sending these out immediately after our general release
announcement which should occur Monday, May 10. I'd like to try to have a
schedule of these posts ready by the middle of next week and I'd think
drafts in review by next Friday, May 7. If you have a 3.5.0 feature that
you'd like to author/collaborate on and have a bit of time in your schedule
to work on this, then please reply to this thread and we can get organized.
Thanks,
Stephen
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>.
Do it Josh. Do what you say you will. For once.
Crazy talk? It’s honesty. And the lack of it in this project is what is driving it to malaise. Stephen, when you were in meetings with Apache Board about me, did you tell them about you? Bohahaha! …. $1000 says you didn’t. Eeek — hide, run, hide. When people stop being honest and start chatting with me offline in a completely different tone than online with a “bro, you know I have a family”-style, this is when you are sacrificing the project for your other objectives. This is when you are just trying to make things look good for your employers, reputation, ’the board’ …. Be honest with yourself and everyone. That is where the creative spark lies.
So, I ask you:
1. OLAP bulk write.
2. gremlin-spark/ DataFrames.
3. All traversal parameters determined dynamically by traversals.
Do you still uphold that this is not “enterprise” or “innovation is not needed”? Or are you going to say what you know is true: “Yes, these are great features! Damn, I wish we had this.” And next, you know my terms. How would you accomplish this? I’m glad you asked.
1. Tell ’The Board’ what ’social norms’ you have violated.
2. Tell them to kick you off the PMC because arguably, they are way worse than me telling jokes online.
3. Watch them squirm as their ‘moral code’ implodes.
4. Then we start doing some real work on TinkerPop.
Easy peasy lemon squeezy,
Marko.
> On May 1, 2021, at 11:35 PM, Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net> wrote:
>
> Okiedokie. Lots to unpack there, but let me just say this one thing:
> Haskell rocks.
>
> Anyway, I think there are good technical reasons for optimism about the
> current state of TinkerPop. If you are suggesting some alternative to
> incremental improvements, plus prototyping the more substantial changes,
> the specifics of it are not clear from your emails. Maybe Stephen has more
> context on a previous line of conversation than I do, but I don't see how
> the crazy talk is adding anything of value.
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 6:55 PM Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Josh — You have been talking for over 2 years now about what you will
>> accomplish. 2 years ago you asked to be a committer. Do you remember what I
>> said? "You have to do something to be a committer." However, I felt for you
>> because you were looking for a job and I fool-heartedly vouched for you
>> thinking you wouldn’t dare cross me once more with your empty promises.
>> However, once you got your name on the TinkerPop webpage, what have you
>> done since except parade it around on resumes and the like? And some
>> internal Uber code in Haskell is not accomplishing anything for TinkerPop.
>> You fooled us with your promises and now you act (once again) as if you
>> will do something in the future. I’ve worked with you for 15 years now —
>> think about it 15 years as your CTO in one company, CEO in another, and
>> your advisor at LANL — and it all comes to not. You know it. I would love
>> for you to finally prove me wrong and finally grab the bull by the horns
>> and accomplish something of value instead of relegating Gremlin to “the
>> bastard child of Ripple” and living off the successes of others with your
>> name all proud front-and-center on the work created by the hands of other
>> men.
>>
>> This is the point people. You all have learned how to talk and act, but
>> what have you done in the last 3 years that keeps this project burning
>> beyond the whims of your dying organizations and fading careers? To claim
>> we are now in ‘enterprise world’ or ‘I promise to do’ all the while
>> allowing those who did do stuff to be butchered like pigs in front of your
>> own eyes. Cowards.
>>
>> Stephen — you dilly-dally. Kuppitz left. I left. Your great collaborators
>> faded away … laying in wait for truth once more. You have only so many
>> decisions left to make before you will not come back from the void you are
>> staring into. Nut up — as leader of this project, create the thriving
>> environment we once enjoyed. Don’t let your social and political fears trap
>> you in mediocrity. You are a hero. You will only come to this point again
>> and again and again in your lives to come. Why waste time? Slay the dragon
>> and let us feast on the magical meat of creation once more — as in the time
>> when our dining halls were not filled with lost bards and delirious jesters.
>>
>> Marko.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 1, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think a great way to lose developers, and not gain new ones, is to make
>>> negative comments on the dev and/or users list, even if they are only
>> half
>>> serious. Or more than half serious? I can't tell. In any case, I think
>>> TinkerPop is in a good place, and would be surprised if you truly don't
>>> agree. There are Gremlin implementations almost everywhere there are
>> graph
>>> databases. To my mind, the scaffolding stage of the project -- building
>> the
>>> structure and filling the space -- is done. Now we have a chance to go
>> back
>>> and make things truly robust. Formalizing the data model, formalizing the
>>> semantics of traversals in a way which adds power without subtracting
>>> versatility. Building better bridges between TinkerPop-compatible graphs
>>> and the rest of the world's data. Other, OLAPy and distrtibuted-systems-y
>>> things I haven't thought as much about, but which others have. I think
>> some
>>> of the changes will require a clean break from the existing code base,
>>> hence a new major version, but others can follow more of a
>>> replace-and-deprecate pattern.
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 8:54 AM Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>>> not quite the topic for this thread but...
>>>>
>>>> Oh but it is. Over the last 3 years there has been little done to
>> advance
>>>> the 50% area of the codebase that I wrote — the virtual machine, OLAP,
>> and
>>>> language.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Talking with DataBricks about gremlin-spark, it’s odd that
>>>> DataFrames hasn’t been adopted.
>>>> 2. Why can’t OLAP do bulk writes/updates?
>>>> 3. Why can’t every parameter in a traversal be determined by a
>>>> traversal?
>>>> 4. …
>>>>
>>>> The problem I see is that TinkerPop doesn’t have any developers anymore.
>>>> All the work is focused on GremlinServer because you know GremlinServer.
>>>> And you know very well that it is because there is a lack of talent on
>> the
>>>> project and in order to make it all look as everything is going swell,
>> you
>>>> say “maintenance mode”, “innovation is over,” “software has gone
>>>> enterprise.”
>>>>
>>>> If this is so, then why is DataBricks having to rewrite
>>>> gremlin-spark/?
>>>> If this is so, then why has mm-ADT solved the parameter traversal
>>>> problem?
>>>>
>>>> You can meander in muck of small changes into the indefinite future or
>> you
>>>> can be a leader and get back the real team that knows how to build
>> quality,
>>>> innovative software. It takes courage, it takes being forthright, it
>> takes
>>>> standing up for greatness.
>>>>
>>>> Else you will be left with what you have in your GoogleDocs table…
>>>> meandering insignificance.
>>>>
>>>> Be a man, do what men do and a work towards re-manifesting the beauty
>> that
>>>> once was else you will regret it in your olden years. And that will be a
>>>> sad state of affairs my old friend.
>>>>
>>>> Marko.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:55 AM Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello mein freunden,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’d love to contribute a body of work from mm-ADT that is one of the
>>>> main
>>>>>> issues with the Gremlin language: every step should support pipeline
>>>>>> arguments (i.e., every argument can be a dynamically/traversal
>>>> determined
>>>>>> value). I solved this problem in mm-ADT elegantly and efficiently. A
>>>>>> beautiful feature indeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> yep - that remains an open problem with Gremlin. The limitation Java
>>>>> lambdas imposed on GLVs wasn't realized in those early days
>>>> unfortunately.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ….unfortunately, Apache Board overruled the TinkerPop PMC and had me
>>>>>> forcefully removed from the PMC for being (how do you say in American
>>>>>> English?) “Nazi Troll.” If the Board is willing to look past the SS on
>>>> my
>>>>>> uniform and put me back in my rightful place as Obergruppenführer of
>> the
>>>>>> PMC, then we shall be unstoppable!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those are my terms. Boohaha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marko.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow, this is great - lots of volunteers! Here's a running list of
>> what
>>>> we
>>>>>>> have so far:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * UnifiedChannelizer - Stephen
>>>>>>> * gremlin-language - Josh
>>>>>>> * Gremlin.Net - Florian
>>>>>>> * gremlin-python - Kelvin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's definitely a lot more topics to tackle. Let's keep expanding
>>>> the
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:27 AM Kelvin Lawrence
>>>> <gfxman@yahoo.com.invalid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am happy to help. The area I have been closest too is probably the
>>>>>>>> enhancements to the Python client. I could write something around
>>>> those
>>>>>>>> features.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers, Kelvin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 04:30, fh@florian-hockmann.de wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I could write something for .NET. Added GraphBinary support and
>>>>>>>> switching the JSON library could be interesting for some Gremlin.Net
>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>>> Von: Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 21:32
>>>>>>>>> An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's
>>>>>>>> individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we
>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>> few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that could
>>>> go
>>>>>>>> with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push through
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really come up
>> with
>>>>>>>> anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language module, so if
>> you
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>> like thinking about that, that would be neat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <
>> josh@fortytwo.net
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> format, please feel free to share.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette
>>>>>>>>>> <sp...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <
>>>> josh@fortytwo.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>> which needs doing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature
>> away
>>>>>>>>>>> in the provider section
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_lan
>>>>>>>>>> guage
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i
>>>>>>>>>>> think it might be useful to the community to write something in
>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> announcement
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've
>> had
>>>>>>>>>>> some interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten
>>>>>>>>>>> outside of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> dev list as of yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>.
Okiedokie. Lots to unpack there, but let me just say this one thing:
Haskell rocks.
Anyway, I think there are good technical reasons for optimism about the
current state of TinkerPop. If you are suggesting some alternative to
incremental improvements, plus prototyping the more substantial changes,
the specifics of it are not clear from your emails. Maybe Stephen has more
context on a previous line of conversation than I do, but I don't see how
the crazy talk is adding anything of value.
Josh
On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 6:55 PM Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Josh — You have been talking for over 2 years now about what you will
> accomplish. 2 years ago you asked to be a committer. Do you remember what I
> said? "You have to do something to be a committer." However, I felt for you
> because you were looking for a job and I fool-heartedly vouched for you
> thinking you wouldn’t dare cross me once more with your empty promises.
> However, once you got your name on the TinkerPop webpage, what have you
> done since except parade it around on resumes and the like? And some
> internal Uber code in Haskell is not accomplishing anything for TinkerPop.
> You fooled us with your promises and now you act (once again) as if you
> will do something in the future. I’ve worked with you for 15 years now —
> think about it 15 years as your CTO in one company, CEO in another, and
> your advisor at LANL — and it all comes to not. You know it. I would love
> for you to finally prove me wrong and finally grab the bull by the horns
> and accomplish something of value instead of relegating Gremlin to “the
> bastard child of Ripple” and living off the successes of others with your
> name all proud front-and-center on the work created by the hands of other
> men.
>
> This is the point people. You all have learned how to talk and act, but
> what have you done in the last 3 years that keeps this project burning
> beyond the whims of your dying organizations and fading careers? To claim
> we are now in ‘enterprise world’ or ‘I promise to do’ all the while
> allowing those who did do stuff to be butchered like pigs in front of your
> own eyes. Cowards.
>
> Stephen — you dilly-dally. Kuppitz left. I left. Your great collaborators
> faded away … laying in wait for truth once more. You have only so many
> decisions left to make before you will not come back from the void you are
> staring into. Nut up — as leader of this project, create the thriving
> environment we once enjoyed. Don’t let your social and political fears trap
> you in mediocrity. You are a hero. You will only come to this point again
> and again and again in your lives to come. Why waste time? Slay the dragon
> and let us feast on the magical meat of creation once more — as in the time
> when our dining halls were not filled with lost bards and delirious jesters.
>
> Marko.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 1, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net> wrote:
> >
> > I think a great way to lose developers, and not gain new ones, is to make
> > negative comments on the dev and/or users list, even if they are only
> half
> > serious. Or more than half serious? I can't tell. In any case, I think
> > TinkerPop is in a good place, and would be surprised if you truly don't
> > agree. There are Gremlin implementations almost everywhere there are
> graph
> > databases. To my mind, the scaffolding stage of the project -- building
> the
> > structure and filling the space -- is done. Now we have a chance to go
> back
> > and make things truly robust. Formalizing the data model, formalizing the
> > semantics of traversals in a way which adds power without subtracting
> > versatility. Building better bridges between TinkerPop-compatible graphs
> > and the rest of the world's data. Other, OLAPy and distrtibuted-systems-y
> > things I haven't thought as much about, but which others have. I think
> some
> > of the changes will require a clean break from the existing code base,
> > hence a new major version, but others can follow more of a
> > replace-and-deprecate pattern.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 8:54 AM Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >>> not quite the topic for this thread but...
> >>
> >> Oh but it is. Over the last 3 years there has been little done to
> advance
> >> the 50% area of the codebase that I wrote — the virtual machine, OLAP,
> and
> >> language.
> >>
> >> 1. Talking with DataBricks about gremlin-spark, it’s odd that
> >> DataFrames hasn’t been adopted.
> >> 2. Why can’t OLAP do bulk writes/updates?
> >> 3. Why can’t every parameter in a traversal be determined by a
> >> traversal?
> >> 4. …
> >>
> >> The problem I see is that TinkerPop doesn’t have any developers anymore.
> >> All the work is focused on GremlinServer because you know GremlinServer.
> >> And you know very well that it is because there is a lack of talent on
> the
> >> project and in order to make it all look as everything is going swell,
> you
> >> say “maintenance mode”, “innovation is over,” “software has gone
> >> enterprise.”
> >>
> >> If this is so, then why is DataBricks having to rewrite
> >> gremlin-spark/?
> >> If this is so, then why has mm-ADT solved the parameter traversal
> >> problem?
> >>
> >> You can meander in muck of small changes into the indefinite future or
> you
> >> can be a leader and get back the real team that knows how to build
> quality,
> >> innovative software. It takes courage, it takes being forthright, it
> takes
> >> standing up for greatness.
> >>
> >> Else you will be left with what you have in your GoogleDocs table…
> >> meandering insignificance.
> >>
> >> Be a man, do what men do and a work towards re-manifesting the beauty
> that
> >> once was else you will regret it in your olden years. And that will be a
> >> sad state of affairs my old friend.
> >>
> >> Marko.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:55 AM Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello mein freunden,
> >>>>
> >>>> I’d love to contribute a body of work from mm-ADT that is one of the
> >> main
> >>>> issues with the Gremlin language: every step should support pipeline
> >>>> arguments (i.e., every argument can be a dynamically/traversal
> >> determined
> >>>> value). I solved this problem in mm-ADT elegantly and efficiently. A
> >>>> beautiful feature indeed.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> yep - that remains an open problem with Gremlin. The limitation Java
> >>> lambdas imposed on GLVs wasn't realized in those early days
> >> unfortunately.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> ….unfortunately, Apache Board overruled the TinkerPop PMC and had me
> >>>> forcefully removed from the PMC for being (how do you say in American
> >>>> English?) “Nazi Troll.” If the Board is willing to look past the SS on
> >> my
> >>>> uniform and put me back in my rightful place as Obergruppenführer of
> the
> >>>> PMC, then we shall be unstoppable!
> >>>>
> >>>> Those are my terms. Boohaha.
> >>>>
> >>>> Marko.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wow, this is great - lots of volunteers! Here's a running list of
> what
> >> we
> >>>>> have so far:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * UnifiedChannelizer - Stephen
> >>>>> * gremlin-language - Josh
> >>>>> * Gremlin.Net - Florian
> >>>>> * gremlin-python - Kelvin
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There's definitely a lot more topics to tackle. Let's keep expanding
> >> the
> >>>>> list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:27 AM Kelvin Lawrence
> >> <gfxman@yahoo.com.invalid
> >>>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I am happy to help. The area I have been closest too is probably the
> >>>>>> enhancements to the Python client. I could write something around
> >> those
> >>>>>> features.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers, Kelvin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 04:30, fh@florian-hockmann.de wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I could write something for .NET. Added GraphBinary support and
> >>>>>> switching the JSON library could be interesting for some Gremlin.Net
> >>>> users.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >>>>>>> Von: Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 21:32
> >>>>>>> An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
> >>>>>>> Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's
> >>>>>> individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we
> >>>> get a
> >>>>>> few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that could
> >> go
> >>>>>> with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push through
> >> the
> >>>>>> TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really come up
> with
> >>>>>> anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language module, so if
> you
> >>>> feel
> >>>>>> like thinking about that, that would be neat.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <
> josh@fortytwo.net
> >>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on
> >> the
> >>>>>>>> format, please feel free to share.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Josh
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette
> >>>>>>>> <sp...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <
> >> josh@fortytwo.net>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
> >>>>>>>> something
> >>>>>>>>>> which needs doing.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Josh
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature
> away
> >>>>>>>>> in the provider section
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_lan
> >>>>>>>> guage
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i
> >>>>>>>>> think it might be useful to the community to write something in
> an
> >>>>>>>>> announcement
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've
> had
> >>>>>>>>> some interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten
> >>>>>>>>> outside of
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> dev list as of yet.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>.
Josh — You have been talking for over 2 years now about what you will accomplish. 2 years ago you asked to be a committer. Do you remember what I said? "You have to do something to be a committer." However, I felt for you because you were looking for a job and I fool-heartedly vouched for you thinking you wouldn’t dare cross me once more with your empty promises. However, once you got your name on the TinkerPop webpage, what have you done since except parade it around on resumes and the like? And some internal Uber code in Haskell is not accomplishing anything for TinkerPop. You fooled us with your promises and now you act (once again) as if you will do something in the future. I’ve worked with you for 15 years now — think about it 15 years as your CTO in one company, CEO in another, and your advisor at LANL — and it all comes to not. You know it. I would love for you to finally prove me wrong and finally grab the bull by the horns and accomplish something of value instead of relegating Gremlin to “the bastard child of Ripple” and living off the successes of others with your name all proud front-and-center on the work created by the hands of other men.
This is the point people. You all have learned how to talk and act, but what have you done in the last 3 years that keeps this project burning beyond the whims of your dying organizations and fading careers? To claim we are now in ‘enterprise world’ or ‘I promise to do’ all the while allowing those who did do stuff to be butchered like pigs in front of your own eyes. Cowards.
Stephen — you dilly-dally. Kuppitz left. I left. Your great collaborators faded away … laying in wait for truth once more. You have only so many decisions left to make before you will not come back from the void you are staring into. Nut up — as leader of this project, create the thriving environment we once enjoyed. Don’t let your social and political fears trap you in mediocrity. You are a hero. You will only come to this point again and again and again in your lives to come. Why waste time? Slay the dragon and let us feast on the magical meat of creation once more — as in the time when our dining halls were not filled with lost bards and delirious jesters.
Marko.
> On May 1, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net> wrote:
>
> I think a great way to lose developers, and not gain new ones, is to make
> negative comments on the dev and/or users list, even if they are only half
> serious. Or more than half serious? I can't tell. In any case, I think
> TinkerPop is in a good place, and would be surprised if you truly don't
> agree. There are Gremlin implementations almost everywhere there are graph
> databases. To my mind, the scaffolding stage of the project -- building the
> structure and filling the space -- is done. Now we have a chance to go back
> and make things truly robust. Formalizing the data model, formalizing the
> semantics of traversals in a way which adds power without subtracting
> versatility. Building better bridges between TinkerPop-compatible graphs
> and the rest of the world's data. Other, OLAPy and distrtibuted-systems-y
> things I haven't thought as much about, but which others have. I think some
> of the changes will require a clean break from the existing code base,
> hence a new major version, but others can follow more of a
> replace-and-deprecate pattern.
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 8:54 AM Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>> not quite the topic for this thread but...
>>
>> Oh but it is. Over the last 3 years there has been little done to advance
>> the 50% area of the codebase that I wrote — the virtual machine, OLAP, and
>> language.
>>
>> 1. Talking with DataBricks about gremlin-spark, it’s odd that
>> DataFrames hasn’t been adopted.
>> 2. Why can’t OLAP do bulk writes/updates?
>> 3. Why can’t every parameter in a traversal be determined by a
>> traversal?
>> 4. …
>>
>> The problem I see is that TinkerPop doesn’t have any developers anymore.
>> All the work is focused on GremlinServer because you know GremlinServer.
>> And you know very well that it is because there is a lack of talent on the
>> project and in order to make it all look as everything is going swell, you
>> say “maintenance mode”, “innovation is over,” “software has gone
>> enterprise.”
>>
>> If this is so, then why is DataBricks having to rewrite
>> gremlin-spark/?
>> If this is so, then why has mm-ADT solved the parameter traversal
>> problem?
>>
>> You can meander in muck of small changes into the indefinite future or you
>> can be a leader and get back the real team that knows how to build quality,
>> innovative software. It takes courage, it takes being forthright, it takes
>> standing up for greatness.
>>
>> Else you will be left with what you have in your GoogleDocs table…
>> meandering insignificance.
>>
>> Be a man, do what men do and a work towards re-manifesting the beauty that
>> once was else you will regret it in your olden years. And that will be a
>> sad state of affairs my old friend.
>>
>> Marko.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:55 AM Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello mein freunden,
>>>>
>>>> I’d love to contribute a body of work from mm-ADT that is one of the
>> main
>>>> issues with the Gremlin language: every step should support pipeline
>>>> arguments (i.e., every argument can be a dynamically/traversal
>> determined
>>>> value). I solved this problem in mm-ADT elegantly and efficiently. A
>>>> beautiful feature indeed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> yep - that remains an open problem with Gremlin. The limitation Java
>>> lambdas imposed on GLVs wasn't realized in those early days
>> unfortunately.
>>>
>>>
>>>> ….unfortunately, Apache Board overruled the TinkerPop PMC and had me
>>>> forcefully removed from the PMC for being (how do you say in American
>>>> English?) “Nazi Troll.” If the Board is willing to look past the SS on
>> my
>>>> uniform and put me back in my rightful place as Obergruppenführer of the
>>>> PMC, then we shall be unstoppable!
>>>>
>>>> Those are my terms. Boohaha.
>>>>
>>>> Marko.
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, this is great - lots of volunteers! Here's a running list of what
>> we
>>>>> have so far:
>>>>>
>>>>> * UnifiedChannelizer - Stephen
>>>>> * gremlin-language - Josh
>>>>> * Gremlin.Net - Florian
>>>>> * gremlin-python - Kelvin
>>>>>
>>>>> There's definitely a lot more topics to tackle. Let's keep expanding
>> the
>>>>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:27 AM Kelvin Lawrence
>> <gfxman@yahoo.com.invalid
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am happy to help. The area I have been closest too is probably the
>>>>>> enhancements to the Python client. I could write something around
>> those
>>>>>> features.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers, Kelvin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 04:30, fh@florian-hockmann.de wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could write something for .NET. Added GraphBinary support and
>>>>>> switching the JSON library could be interesting for some Gremlin.Net
>>>> users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>> Von: Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 21:32
>>>>>>> An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's
>>>>>> individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we
>>>> get a
>>>>>> few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that could
>> go
>>>>>> with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push through
>> the
>>>>>> TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really come up with
>>>>>> anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language module, so if you
>>>> feel
>>>>>> like thinking about that, that would be neat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <josh@fortytwo.net
>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on
>> the
>>>>>>>> format, please feel free to share.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette
>>>>>>>> <sp...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <
>> josh@fortytwo.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>> which needs doing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature away
>>>>>>>>> in the provider section
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_lan
>>>>>>>> guage
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i
>>>>>>>>> think it might be useful to the community to write something in an
>>>>>>>>> announcement
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've had
>>>>>>>>> some interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten
>>>>>>>>> outside of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> dev list as of yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>.
I think a great way to lose developers, and not gain new ones, is to make
negative comments on the dev and/or users list, even if they are only half
serious. Or more than half serious? I can't tell. In any case, I think
TinkerPop is in a good place, and would be surprised if you truly don't
agree. There are Gremlin implementations almost everywhere there are graph
databases. To my mind, the scaffolding stage of the project -- building the
structure and filling the space -- is done. Now we have a chance to go back
and make things truly robust. Formalizing the data model, formalizing the
semantics of traversals in a way which adds power without subtracting
versatility. Building better bridges between TinkerPop-compatible graphs
and the rest of the world's data. Other, OLAPy and distrtibuted-systems-y
things I haven't thought as much about, but which others have. I think some
of the changes will require a clean break from the existing code base,
hence a new major version, but others can follow more of a
replace-and-deprecate pattern.
Josh
On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 8:54 AM Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> > not quite the topic for this thread but...
>
> Oh but it is. Over the last 3 years there has been little done to advance
> the 50% area of the codebase that I wrote — the virtual machine, OLAP, and
> language.
>
> 1. Talking with DataBricks about gremlin-spark, it’s odd that
> DataFrames hasn’t been adopted.
> 2. Why can’t OLAP do bulk writes/updates?
> 3. Why can’t every parameter in a traversal be determined by a
> traversal?
> 4. …
>
> The problem I see is that TinkerPop doesn’t have any developers anymore.
> All the work is focused on GremlinServer because you know GremlinServer.
> And you know very well that it is because there is a lack of talent on the
> project and in order to make it all look as everything is going swell, you
> say “maintenance mode”, “innovation is over,” “software has gone
> enterprise.”
>
> If this is so, then why is DataBricks having to rewrite
> gremlin-spark/?
> If this is so, then why has mm-ADT solved the parameter traversal
> problem?
>
> You can meander in muck of small changes into the indefinite future or you
> can be a leader and get back the real team that knows how to build quality,
> innovative software. It takes courage, it takes being forthright, it takes
> standing up for greatness.
>
> Else you will be left with what you have in your GoogleDocs table…
> meandering insignificance.
>
> Be a man, do what men do and a work towards re-manifesting the beauty that
> once was else you will regret it in your olden years. And that will be a
> sad state of affairs my old friend.
>
> Marko.
>
>
>
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:55 AM Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hello mein freunden,
> >>
> >> I’d love to contribute a body of work from mm-ADT that is one of the
> main
> >> issues with the Gremlin language: every step should support pipeline
> >> arguments (i.e., every argument can be a dynamically/traversal
> determined
> >> value). I solved this problem in mm-ADT elegantly and efficiently. A
> >> beautiful feature indeed.
> >>
> >
> > yep - that remains an open problem with Gremlin. The limitation Java
> > lambdas imposed on GLVs wasn't realized in those early days
> unfortunately.
> >
> >
> >> ….unfortunately, Apache Board overruled the TinkerPop PMC and had me
> >> forcefully removed from the PMC for being (how do you say in American
> >> English?) “Nazi Troll.” If the Board is willing to look past the SS on
> my
> >> uniform and put me back in my rightful place as Obergruppenführer of the
> >> PMC, then we shall be unstoppable!
> >>
> >> Those are my terms. Boohaha.
> >>
> >> Marko.
> >>
> >>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Wow, this is great - lots of volunteers! Here's a running list of what
> we
> >>> have so far:
> >>>
> >>> * UnifiedChannelizer - Stephen
> >>> * gremlin-language - Josh
> >>> * Gremlin.Net - Florian
> >>> * gremlin-python - Kelvin
> >>>
> >>> There's definitely a lot more topics to tackle. Let's keep expanding
> the
> >>> list.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:27 AM Kelvin Lawrence
> <gfxman@yahoo.com.invalid
> >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I am happy to help. The area I have been closest too is probably the
> >>>> enhancements to the Python client. I could write something around
> those
> >>>> features.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers, Kelvin
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 04:30, fh@florian-hockmann.de wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I could write something for .NET. Added GraphBinary support and
> >>>> switching the JSON library could be interesting for some Gremlin.Net
> >> users.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >>>>> Von: Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 21:32
> >>>>> An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
> >>>>> Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's
> >>>> individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we
> >> get a
> >>>> few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that could
> go
> >>>> with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push through
> the
> >>>> TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really come up with
> >>>> anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language module, so if you
> >> feel
> >>>> like thinking about that, that would be neat.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <josh@fortytwo.net
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on
> the
> >>>>>> format, please feel free to share.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Josh
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette
> >>>>>> <sp...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <
> josh@fortytwo.net>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
> >>>>>> something
> >>>>>>>> which needs doing.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Josh
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature away
> >>>>>>> in the provider section
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_lan
> >>>>>> guage
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i
> >>>>>>> think it might be useful to the community to write something in an
> >>>>>>> announcement
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've had
> >>>>>>> some interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten
> >>>>>>> outside of
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> dev list as of yet.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>.
Hello,
> not quite the topic for this thread but...
Oh but it is. Over the last 3 years there has been little done to advance the 50% area of the codebase that I wrote — the virtual machine, OLAP, and language.
1. Talking with DataBricks about gremlin-spark, it’s odd that DataFrames hasn’t been adopted.
2. Why can’t OLAP do bulk writes/updates?
3. Why can’t every parameter in a traversal be determined by a traversal?
4. …
The problem I see is that TinkerPop doesn’t have any developers anymore. All the work is focused on GremlinServer because you know GremlinServer. And you know very well that it is because there is a lack of talent on the project and in order to make it all look as everything is going swell, you say “maintenance mode”, “innovation is over,” “software has gone enterprise.”
If this is so, then why is DataBricks having to rewrite gremlin-spark/?
If this is so, then why has mm-ADT solved the parameter traversal problem?
You can meander in muck of small changes into the indefinite future or you can be a leader and get back the real team that knows how to build quality, innovative software. It takes courage, it takes being forthright, it takes standing up for greatness.
Else you will be left with what you have in your GoogleDocs table… meandering insignificance.
Be a man, do what men do and a work towards re-manifesting the beauty that once was else you will regret it in your olden years. And that will be a sad state of affairs my old friend.
Marko.
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:55 AM Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello mein freunden,
>>
>> I’d love to contribute a body of work from mm-ADT that is one of the main
>> issues with the Gremlin language: every step should support pipeline
>> arguments (i.e., every argument can be a dynamically/traversal determined
>> value). I solved this problem in mm-ADT elegantly and efficiently. A
>> beautiful feature indeed.
>>
>
> yep - that remains an open problem with Gremlin. The limitation Java
> lambdas imposed on GLVs wasn't realized in those early days unfortunately.
>
>
>> ….unfortunately, Apache Board overruled the TinkerPop PMC and had me
>> forcefully removed from the PMC for being (how do you say in American
>> English?) “Nazi Troll.” If the Board is willing to look past the SS on my
>> uniform and put me back in my rightful place as Obergruppenführer of the
>> PMC, then we shall be unstoppable!
>>
>> Those are my terms. Boohaha.
>>
>> Marko.
>>
>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, this is great - lots of volunteers! Here's a running list of what we
>>> have so far:
>>>
>>> * UnifiedChannelizer - Stephen
>>> * gremlin-language - Josh
>>> * Gremlin.Net - Florian
>>> * gremlin-python - Kelvin
>>>
>>> There's definitely a lot more topics to tackle. Let's keep expanding the
>>> list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:27 AM Kelvin Lawrence <gfxman@yahoo.com.invalid
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am happy to help. The area I have been closest too is probably the
>>>> enhancements to the Python client. I could write something around those
>>>> features.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Kelvin
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 04:30, fh@florian-hockmann.de wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I could write something for .NET. Added GraphBinary support and
>>>> switching the JSON library could be interesting for some Gremlin.Net
>> users.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>> Von: Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 21:32
>>>>> An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
>>>>> Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's
>>>> individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we
>> get a
>>>> few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that could go
>>>> with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push through the
>>>> TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really come up with
>>>> anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language module, so if you
>> feel
>>>> like thinking about that, that would be neat.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on the
>>>>>> format, please feel free to share.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette
>>>>>> <sp...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>> which needs doing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature away
>>>>>>> in the provider section
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_lan
>>>>>> guage
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i
>>>>>>> think it might be useful to the community to write something in an
>>>>>>> announcement
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've had
>>>>>>> some interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten
>>>>>>> outside of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> dev list as of yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>.
not quite the topic for this thread but...
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:55 AM Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello mein freunden,
>
> I’d love to contribute a body of work from mm-ADT that is one of the main
> issues with the Gremlin language: every step should support pipeline
> arguments (i.e., every argument can be a dynamically/traversal determined
> value). I solved this problem in mm-ADT elegantly and efficiently. A
> beautiful feature indeed.
>
yep - that remains an open problem with Gremlin. The limitation Java
lambdas imposed on GLVs wasn't realized in those early days unfortunately.
> ….unfortunately, Apache Board overruled the TinkerPop PMC and had me
> forcefully removed from the PMC for being (how do you say in American
> English?) “Nazi Troll.” If the Board is willing to look past the SS on my
> uniform and put me back in my rightful place as Obergruppenführer of the
> PMC, then we shall be unstoppable!
>
> Those are my terms. Boohaha.
>
> Marko.
>
> > On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Wow, this is great - lots of volunteers! Here's a running list of what we
> > have so far:
> >
> > * UnifiedChannelizer - Stephen
> > * gremlin-language - Josh
> > * Gremlin.Net - Florian
> > * gremlin-python - Kelvin
> >
> > There's definitely a lot more topics to tackle. Let's keep expanding the
> > list.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:27 AM Kelvin Lawrence <gfxman@yahoo.com.invalid
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I am happy to help. The area I have been closest too is probably the
> >> enhancements to the Python client. I could write something around those
> >> features.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Kelvin
> >>
> >>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 04:30, fh@florian-hockmann.de wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I could write something for .NET. Added GraphBinary support and
> >> switching the JSON library could be interesting for some Gremlin.Net
> users.
> >>>
> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >>> Von: Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 21:32
> >>> An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
> >>> Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
> >>>
> >>> Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's
> >> individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we
> get a
> >> few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that could go
> >> with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push through the
> >> TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really come up with
> >> anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language module, so if you
> feel
> >> like thinking about that, that would be neat.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on the
> >>>> format, please feel free to share.
> >>>>
> >>>> Josh
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette
> >>>> <sp...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
> >>>> something
> >>>>>> which needs doing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Josh
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature away
> >>>>> in the provider section
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_lan
> >>>> guage
> >>>>>
> >>>>> because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i
> >>>>> think it might be useful to the community to write something in an
> >>>>> announcement
> >>>> that
> >>>>> helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've had
> >>>>> some interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten
> >>>>> outside of
> >>>> the
> >>>>> dev list as of yet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>.
Updated the list:
* UnifiedChannelizer - Stephen
* gremlin-language - Josh
* Gremlin.Net - Florian
* gremlin-python - Kelvin
* Gremlint - Øyvind
* Changes in null semantics - Dave
I think we should just draft these in google docs and just share access as
needed.
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 12:48 PM David Bechberger <da...@bechberger.com>
wrote:
> I can write a post about the changes in how null is handled.
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 6:20 AM Øyvind Sæbø <oy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I can write a post about the introduction of Gremlint to TinkerPop and
> its
> > future possibilities.👍
> >
> > fre. 30. apr. 2021 kl. 15:55 skrev Marko Rodriguez <okrammarko@gmail.com
> >:
> >
> > > Hello mein freunden,
> > >
> > > I’d love to contribute a body of work from mm-ADT that is one of the
> main
> > > issues with the Gremlin language: every step should support pipeline
> > > arguments (i.e., every argument can be a dynamically/traversal
> determined
> > > value). I solved this problem in mm-ADT elegantly and efficiently. A
> > > beautiful feature indeed.
> > >
> > > ….unfortunately, Apache Board overruled the TinkerPop PMC and had me
> > > forcefully removed from the PMC for being (how do you say in American
> > > English?) “Nazi Troll.” If the Board is willing to look past the SS on
> my
> > > uniform and put me back in my rightful place as Obergruppenführer of
> the
> > > PMC, then we shall be unstoppable!
> > >
> > > Those are my terms. Boohaha.
> > >
> > > Marko.
> > >
> > > > On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wow, this is great - lots of volunteers! Here's a running list of
> what
> > we
> > > > have so far:
> > > >
> > > > * UnifiedChannelizer - Stephen
> > > > * gremlin-language - Josh
> > > > * Gremlin.Net - Florian
> > > > * gremlin-python - Kelvin
> > > >
> > > > There's definitely a lot more topics to tackle. Let's keep expanding
> > the
> > > > list.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:27 AM Kelvin Lawrence
> > <gfxman@yahoo.com.invalid
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I am happy to help. The area I have been closest too is probably the
> > > >> enhancements to the Python client. I could write something around
> > those
> > > >> features.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers, Kelvin
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 04:30, fh@florian-hockmann.de wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I could write something for .NET. Added GraphBinary support and
> > > >> switching the JSON library could be interesting for some Gremlin.Net
> > > users.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > >>> Von: Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> > > >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 21:32
> > > >>> An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
> > > >>> Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's
> > > >> individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we
> > > get a
> > > >> few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that could
> > go
> > > >> with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push through
> > the
> > > >> TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really come up
> with
> > > >> anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language module, so if
> you
> > > feel
> > > >> like thinking about that, that would be neat.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <
> josh@fortytwo.net
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on
> > the
> > > >>>> format, please feel free to share.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Josh
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette
> > > >>>> <sp...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <
> > josh@fortytwo.net>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
> > > >>>> something
> > > >>>>>> which needs doing.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Josh
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature
> away
> > > >>>>> in the provider section
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_lan
> > > >>>> guage
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i
> > > >>>>> think it might be useful to the community to write something in
> an
> > > >>>>> announcement
> > > >>>> that
> > > >>>>> helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've
> had
> > > >>>>> some interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten
> > > >>>>> outside of
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>>> dev list as of yet.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by David Bechberger <da...@bechberger.com>.
I can write a post about the changes in how null is handled.
Dave
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 6:20 AM Øyvind Sæbø <oy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can write a post about the introduction of Gremlint to TinkerPop and its
> future possibilities.👍
>
> fre. 30. apr. 2021 kl. 15:55 skrev Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Hello mein freunden,
> >
> > I’d love to contribute a body of work from mm-ADT that is one of the main
> > issues with the Gremlin language: every step should support pipeline
> > arguments (i.e., every argument can be a dynamically/traversal determined
> > value). I solved this problem in mm-ADT elegantly and efficiently. A
> > beautiful feature indeed.
> >
> > ….unfortunately, Apache Board overruled the TinkerPop PMC and had me
> > forcefully removed from the PMC for being (how do you say in American
> > English?) “Nazi Troll.” If the Board is willing to look past the SS on my
> > uniform and put me back in my rightful place as Obergruppenführer of the
> > PMC, then we shall be unstoppable!
> >
> > Those are my terms. Boohaha.
> >
> > Marko.
> >
> > > On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow, this is great - lots of volunteers! Here's a running list of what
> we
> > > have so far:
> > >
> > > * UnifiedChannelizer - Stephen
> > > * gremlin-language - Josh
> > > * Gremlin.Net - Florian
> > > * gremlin-python - Kelvin
> > >
> > > There's definitely a lot more topics to tackle. Let's keep expanding
> the
> > > list.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:27 AM Kelvin Lawrence
> <gfxman@yahoo.com.invalid
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I am happy to help. The area I have been closest too is probably the
> > >> enhancements to the Python client. I could write something around
> those
> > >> features.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers, Kelvin
> > >>
> > >>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 04:30, fh@florian-hockmann.de wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I could write something for .NET. Added GraphBinary support and
> > >> switching the JSON library could be interesting for some Gremlin.Net
> > users.
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > >>> Von: Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> > >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 21:32
> > >>> An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
> > >>> Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
> > >>>
> > >>> Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's
> > >> individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we
> > get a
> > >> few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that could
> go
> > >> with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push through
> the
> > >> TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really come up with
> > >> anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language module, so if you
> > feel
> > >> like thinking about that, that would be neat.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <josh@fortytwo.net
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on
> the
> > >>>> format, please feel free to share.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Josh
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette
> > >>>> <sp...@gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <
> josh@fortytwo.net>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
> > >>>> something
> > >>>>>> which needs doing.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Josh
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature away
> > >>>>> in the provider section
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_lan
> > >>>> guage
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i
> > >>>>> think it might be useful to the community to write something in an
> > >>>>> announcement
> > >>>> that
> > >>>>> helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've had
> > >>>>> some interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten
> > >>>>> outside of
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>> dev list as of yet.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by Øyvind Sæbø <oy...@gmail.com>.
I can write a post about the introduction of Gremlint to TinkerPop and its
future possibilities.👍
fre. 30. apr. 2021 kl. 15:55 skrev Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>:
> Hello mein freunden,
>
> I’d love to contribute a body of work from mm-ADT that is one of the main
> issues with the Gremlin language: every step should support pipeline
> arguments (i.e., every argument can be a dynamically/traversal determined
> value). I solved this problem in mm-ADT elegantly and efficiently. A
> beautiful feature indeed.
>
> ….unfortunately, Apache Board overruled the TinkerPop PMC and had me
> forcefully removed from the PMC for being (how do you say in American
> English?) “Nazi Troll.” If the Board is willing to look past the SS on my
> uniform and put me back in my rightful place as Obergruppenführer of the
> PMC, then we shall be unstoppable!
>
> Those are my terms. Boohaha.
>
> Marko.
>
> > On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Wow, this is great - lots of volunteers! Here's a running list of what we
> > have so far:
> >
> > * UnifiedChannelizer - Stephen
> > * gremlin-language - Josh
> > * Gremlin.Net - Florian
> > * gremlin-python - Kelvin
> >
> > There's definitely a lot more topics to tackle. Let's keep expanding the
> > list.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:27 AM Kelvin Lawrence <gfxman@yahoo.com.invalid
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I am happy to help. The area I have been closest too is probably the
> >> enhancements to the Python client. I could write something around those
> >> features.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Kelvin
> >>
> >>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 04:30, fh@florian-hockmann.de wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I could write something for .NET. Added GraphBinary support and
> >> switching the JSON library could be interesting for some Gremlin.Net
> users.
> >>>
> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >>> Von: Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 21:32
> >>> An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
> >>> Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
> >>>
> >>> Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's
> >> individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we
> get a
> >> few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that could go
> >> with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push through the
> >> TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really come up with
> >> anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language module, so if you
> feel
> >> like thinking about that, that would be neat.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on the
> >>>> format, please feel free to share.
> >>>>
> >>>> Josh
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette
> >>>> <sp...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
> >>>> something
> >>>>>> which needs doing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Josh
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature away
> >>>>> in the provider section
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_lan
> >>>> guage
> >>>>>
> >>>>> because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i
> >>>>> think it might be useful to the community to write something in an
> >>>>> announcement
> >>>> that
> >>>>> helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've had
> >>>>> some interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten
> >>>>> outside of
> >>>> the
> >>>>> dev list as of yet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>.
Hello mein freunden,
I’d love to contribute a body of work from mm-ADT that is one of the main issues with the Gremlin language: every step should support pipeline arguments (i.e., every argument can be a dynamically/traversal determined value). I solved this problem in mm-ADT elegantly and efficiently. A beautiful feature indeed.
….unfortunately, Apache Board overruled the TinkerPop PMC and had me forcefully removed from the PMC for being (how do you say in American English?) “Nazi Troll.” If the Board is willing to look past the SS on my uniform and put me back in my rightful place as Obergruppenführer of the PMC, then we shall be unstoppable!
Those are my terms. Boohaha.
Marko.
> On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wow, this is great - lots of volunteers! Here's a running list of what we
> have so far:
>
> * UnifiedChannelizer - Stephen
> * gremlin-language - Josh
> * Gremlin.Net - Florian
> * gremlin-python - Kelvin
>
> There's definitely a lot more topics to tackle. Let's keep expanding the
> list.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:27 AM Kelvin Lawrence <gf...@yahoo.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> I am happy to help. The area I have been closest too is probably the
>> enhancements to the Python client. I could write something around those
>> features.
>>
>> Cheers, Kelvin
>>
>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 04:30, fh@florian-hockmann.de wrote:
>>>
>>> I could write something for .NET. Added GraphBinary support and
>> switching the JSON library could be interesting for some Gremlin.Net users.
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 21:32
>>> An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
>>> Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
>>>
>>> Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's
>> individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we get a
>> few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that could go
>> with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push through the
>> TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really come up with
>> anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language module, so if you feel
>> like thinking about that, that would be neat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on the
>>>> format, please feel free to share.
>>>>
>>>> Josh
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette
>>>> <sp...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
>>>> something
>>>>>> which needs doing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature away
>>>>> in the provider section
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_lan
>>>> guage
>>>>>
>>>>> because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i
>>>>> think it might be useful to the community to write something in an
>>>>> announcement
>>>> that
>>>>> helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've had
>>>>> some interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten
>>>>> outside of
>>>> the
>>>>> dev list as of yet.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>.
Wow, this is great - lots of volunteers! Here's a running list of what we
have so far:
* UnifiedChannelizer - Stephen
* gremlin-language - Josh
* Gremlin.Net - Florian
* gremlin-python - Kelvin
There's definitely a lot more topics to tackle. Let's keep expanding the
list.
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:27 AM Kelvin Lawrence <gf...@yahoo.com.invalid>
wrote:
> I am happy to help. The area I have been closest too is probably the
> enhancements to the Python client. I could write something around those
> features.
>
> Cheers, Kelvin
>
> > On Apr 30, 2021, at 04:30, fh@florian-hockmann.de wrote:
> >
> > I could write something for .NET. Added GraphBinary support and
> switching the JSON library could be interesting for some Gremlin.Net users.
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 21:32
> > An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
> > Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
> >
> > Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's
> individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we get a
> few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that could go
> with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push through the
> TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really come up with
> anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language module, so if you feel
> like thinking about that, that would be neat.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on the
> >> format, please feel free to share.
> >>
> >> Josh
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette
> >> <sp...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
> >> something
> >>>> which needs doing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Josh
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature away
> >>> in the provider section
> >>>
> >>>
> >> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_lan
> >> guage
> >>>
> >>> because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i
> >>> think it might be useful to the community to write something in an
> >>> announcement
> >> that
> >>> helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've had
> >>> some interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten
> >>> outside of
> >> the
> >>> dev list as of yet.
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by Kelvin Lawrence <gf...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
I am happy to help. The area I have been closest too is probably the enhancements to the Python client. I could write something around those features.
Cheers, Kelvin
> On Apr 30, 2021, at 04:30, fh@florian-hockmann.de wrote:
>
> I could write something for .NET. Added GraphBinary support and switching the JSON library could be interesting for some Gremlin.Net users.
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 21:32
> An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
>
> Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we get a few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that could go with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push through the TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really come up with anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language module, so if you feel like thinking about that, that would be neat.
>
>
>
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net> wrote:
>>
>> Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on the
>> format, please feel free to share.
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette
>> <sp...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
>> something
>>>> which needs doing.
>>>>
>>>> Josh
>>>>
>>>>
>>> great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature away
>>> in the provider section
>>>
>>>
>> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_lan
>> guage
>>>
>>> because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i
>>> think it might be useful to the community to write something in an
>>> announcement
>> that
>>> helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've had
>>> some interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten
>>> outside of
>> the
>>> dev list as of yet.
>>>
>>
>
AW: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by fh...@florian-hockmann.de.
I don't think so. The only bug I closed recently was TINKERPOP-2341 but I only closed that because a fix for another bug in 3.4.8 apparently also fixed that one.
I also went through all closed .NET issues that have 3.5.0 as their fix version and no 3.4.x version but didn't find anything else besides GraphBinary, the switch to System.Text.Json and dropped support for .NET Standard 1.3.
But yes, the CosmosDB issues are really time consuming for me but unfortunately, they often don't really get any where as I spend most of the time trying to reproduce the problem.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
Gesendet: Freitag, 30. April 2021 12:35
An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 5:30 AM <fh...@florian-hockmann.de> wrote:
> I could write something for .NET. Added GraphBinary support and
> switching the JSON library could be interesting for some Gremlin.Net users.
>
was there anything in 3.5.0 for .NET that helped CosmosDB users? if any issues closed around that, i think it would be useful to highlight those given how much time you tend to spend in conversation about those issues on JIRA.
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 21:32
> An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
>
> Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's
> individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we
> get a few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that
> could go with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push
> through the TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really
> come up with anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language
> module, so if you feel like thinking about that, that would be neat.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on
> > the format, please feel free to share.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette
> > <sp...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier
> > > <jo...@fortytwo.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
> > something
> > > > which needs doing.
> > > >
> > > > Josh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature away
> > > in the provider section
> > >
> > >
> > https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_l
> > an
> > guage
> > >
> > > because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i
> > > think it might be useful to the community to write something in an
> > > announcement
> > that
> > > helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've
> > > had some interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have
> > > gotten outside of
> > the
> > > dev list as of yet.
> > >
> >
>
>
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 5:30 AM <fh...@florian-hockmann.de> wrote:
> I could write something for .NET. Added GraphBinary support and switching
> the JSON library could be interesting for some Gremlin.Net users.
>
was there anything in 3.5.0 for .NET that helped CosmosDB users? if any
issues closed around that, i think it would be useful to highlight those
given how much time you tend to spend in conversation about those issues on
JIRA.
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 21:32
> An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
>
> Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's
> individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we get a
> few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that could go
> with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push through the
> TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really come up with
> anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language module, so if you feel
> like thinking about that, that would be neat.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on the
> > format, please feel free to share.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette
> > <sp...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
> > something
> > > > which needs doing.
> > > >
> > > > Josh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature away
> > > in the provider section
> > >
> > >
> > https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_lan
> > guage
> > >
> > > because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i
> > > think it might be useful to the community to write something in an
> > > announcement
> > that
> > > helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've had
> > > some interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten
> > > outside of
> > the
> > > dev list as of yet.
> > >
> >
>
>
AW: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by fh...@florian-hockmann.de.
I could write something for .NET. Added GraphBinary support and switching the JSON library could be interesting for some Gremlin.Net users.
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Von: Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 21:32
An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we get a few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that could go with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push through the TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really come up with anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language module, so if you feel like thinking about that, that would be neat.
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net> wrote:
> Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on the
> format, please feel free to share.
>
> Josh
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette
> <sp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
> something
> > > which needs doing.
> > >
> > > Josh
> > >
> > >
> > great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature away
> > in the provider section
> >
> >
> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_lan
> guage
> >
> > because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i
> > think it might be useful to the community to write something in an
> > announcement
> that
> > helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've had
> > some interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten
> > outside of
> the
> > dev list as of yet.
> >
>
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>.
Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's
individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we get a
few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that could go
with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push through the
TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really come up with
anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language module, so if you feel
like thinking about that, that would be neat.
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net> wrote:
> Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on the
> format, please feel free to share.
>
> Josh
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
> something
> > > which needs doing.
> > >
> > > Josh
> > >
> > >
> > great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature away in the
> > provider section
> >
> >
> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_language
> >
> > because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i think it
> > might be useful to the community to write something in an announcement
> that
> > helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've had some
> > interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten outside of
> the
> > dev list as of yet.
> >
>
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>.
Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on the
format, please feel free to share.
Josh
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is something
> > which needs doing.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> >
> great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature away in the
> provider section
>
> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_language
>
> because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i think it
> might be useful to the community to write something in an announcement that
> helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've had some
> interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten outside of the
> dev list as of yet.
>
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net> wrote:
> I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is something
> which needs doing.
>
> Josh
>
>
great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature away in the
provider section
https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_language
because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i think it
might be useful to the community to write something in an announcement that
helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've had some
interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten outside of the
dev list as of yet.
Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
Posted by Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>.
I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is something
which needs doing.
Josh
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:24 AM Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> 3.5.0 is a fairly big release. There's too much in there to summarize in a
> single announcement email. I was thinking that we might produce multiple
> tweets/posts to follow the main announcement that would call attention to
> important changes. I think that each announcement should hopefully do a bit
> more than re-hash the upgrade documentation - hopefully each announcement
> can either expand on a batch of changes or focus in on a single item from
> the upgrade docs.
>
> We'd look to start sending these out immediately after our general release
> announcement which should occur Monday, May 10. I'd like to try to have a
> schedule of these posts ready by the middle of next week and I'd think
> drafts in review by next Friday, May 7. If you have a 3.5.0 feature that
> you'd like to author/collaborate on and have a bit of time in your schedule
> to work on this, then please reply to this thread and we can get organized.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stephen
>