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Posted to dev@myfaces.apache.org by Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> on 2005/01/07 13:21:22 UTC
Proposal: decision making process
Hi All,
I'd like to propose that we use the same process that Tomcat uses;
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/decisions.html
As you can read in the copied thread below this is one of the last
remaining items before we become a top level project (cool!) so we need
to nail this down RSN.
I believe all we have to do is point to this page (correct Ted?)
Thoughts?
TTFN,
-bd-
On Jan 7, 2005, at 3:01 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>
>> We mentioned applying for TLP in the proposal. So, if that's
>> what we still want, then yes.
>>
>> Unless, of course, there is another TLP that you would like
>> to join instead.
>>
>> Personally, I think the scope is broad enough to justify its
>> own project.
>
> Yes, think so too. So with a TLP myfaces.apache.org, there is
> enough room for subprojects like you guys to with Struts.
>
> One candiate will be perhaps the WML RenderKit
> and the extra components. (the TilesViewHandler one I'd like
> to see inside of tiles.apache.org -Yes I saw your draft on
> that)
>
>
>>
>>> Ok, we have to *convert* the documentation etc into forrest xml
>>> stuff, that should be added to http://incubator.apache.org/myfaces/
>>
>> Of course, you know that Forrest is not a *requirement*. You
>> can use anything you like.
>>
>> I'm not sure about PHP though. We'd have to check with
>> infrastructure. There's an inclination to have the sites end
>> up as HTML, to minimize server load.
>
> Since I got a basic knowledge of forrest and since it is
> usable from ANT, I think forrest will be fine. Also the
> current homepage is based upon forrest, so why not continue.
>
> At weekend I will try to convert some docs from myfaces.org
> to our page.
>
>> I didn't mean that I added, only that, if it were me, I'd
>> make it a status "page" rather than a status "file".
>>
>> You might just add a "Status" page to the Community tab. A
>> "Roadmap" page might do as well. What the checklist says is:
>>
>> " (Committers, non-incubation action items, project resources, etc)"
>>
>> There are Incubator PMC members who do insist that projects
>> have a "status file", so we need to make sure this is handled somehow.
>
> Ok, I try...
>
>>> that looks very *generic* but why the mention of Struts inside of
>>> ibatis?
>>
>> Oops, typo.
>>
>>
>>>> I need to lookup some historical dates for the Incubator status
>>>> page, but we seem otherwise good to go.
>>
>> I slacked on the dates and just updated the page in
>> Subversion to say "DONE", but haven't published it yet.
>>
>> As far as TODOs go, what's left are the "decision making guidelines".
>>
>> -Ted.
>>
>>
>
Re: Proposal: decision making process
Posted by Sean Schofield <se...@gmail.com>.
> Just as an aside, the preference is for Apache projects to discuss their way into a decision, rather than appeal to the process.
>
> Ideally, people should chat about things on the list, until someone does something about it. If no one comments on the commit, then the decision is made. We call this "lazy consensus".
>
> The key to this, of course, is that all the commits flow through the DEV list. The commits are part of the development discussion too. The only part that matters, really :)
>
> The Jakarta project tends to be a bit vote-happy. Many Apaches consider all this voting slightly scandalous. Outside of a release, voting is seen as a sign that discussions have broken down. Following the formal process is considered a last resort -- what you do when discussions don't seem to be working, and the team is not of one mind.
>
> A release is a little different. Since there are different grades of release, a release will always require a vote. But these are usually majority votes, and a -1 is not a showstopper. (Though, the goal is always for the members to be unanimous, or to find a way for them to become unanimous.)
>
> The bottom line is that a project is not a government, it's a team, and a team should be of one mind.
Well put. Voting on releases makes sense and the lazy consensus seems
to work well on projects I've been involved with.
Right now I notice that the JIRA issues are not sent to the dev list.
Nor are the checkins. Is that going to change?
> -Ted.
sean
Re: Proposal: decision making process
Posted by Anton Koinov <my...@list.leader-bg.com>.
+1
Anton
On Fri, January 7, 2005 6:32 am, Martin Marinschek said:
> +1 for a meta decision ;)
>
>
> On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:25:17 +0100, Manfred Geiler <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>> +1
>>
>> What about this decision itself, do we need a meta decision process? ;-)
>> Oh, I love recursive self-references :-)
>>
>> Manfred
>>
>> Heath Borders schrieb:
>> > +1
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:44:07 +0100, Martin Marinschek
>> > <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>+1
>> >>
>> >>regards,
>> >>
>> >>Martin
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 05:21:22 -0700, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Hi All,
>> >>>
>> >>>I'd like to propose that we use the same process that Tomcat uses;
>> >>>
>> >>>http://jakarta.apache.org/site/decisions.html
>> >>>
>> >>>As you can read in the copied thread below this is one of the last
>> >>>remaining items before we become a top level project (cool!) so we
>> need
>> >>>to nail this down RSN.
>> >>>
>> >>>I believe all we have to do is point to this page (correct Ted?)
>> >>>
>> >>>Thoughts?
>> >>>
>> >>>TTFN,
>> >>>
>> >>>-bd-
>> >>>
>> >>>On Jan 7, 2005, at 3:01 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>We mentioned applying for TLP in the proposal. So, if that's
>> >>>>>what we still want, then yes.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Unless, of course, there is another TLP that you would like
>> >>>>>to join instead.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Personally, I think the scope is broad enough to justify its
>> >>>>>own project.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Yes, think so too. So with a TLP myfaces.apache.org, there is
>> >>>>enough room for subprojects like you guys to with Struts.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>One candiate will be perhaps the WML RenderKit
>> >>>>and the extra components. (the TilesViewHandler one I'd like
>> >>>>to see inside of tiles.apache.org -Yes I saw your draft on
>> >>>>that)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> Ok, we have to *convert* the documentation etc into forrest xml
>> >>>>>> stuff, that should be added to
>> http://incubator.apache.org/myfaces/
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Of course, you know that Forrest is not a *requirement*. You
>> >>>>>can use anything you like.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I'm not sure about PHP though. We'd have to check with
>> >>>>>infrastructure. There's an inclination to have the sites end
>> >>>>>up as HTML, to minimize server load.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Since I got a basic knowledge of forrest and since it is
>> >>>>usable from ANT, I think forrest will be fine. Also the
>> >>>>current homepage is based upon forrest, so why not continue.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>At weekend I will try to convert some docs from myfaces.org
>> >>>>to our page.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>I didn't mean that I added, only that, if it were me, I'd
>> >>>>>make it a status "page" rather than a status "file".
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>You might just add a "Status" page to the Community tab. A
>> >>>>>"Roadmap" page might do as well. What the checklist says is:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>" (Committers, non-incubation action items, project resources,
>> etc)"
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>There are Incubator PMC members who do insist that projects
>> >>>>>have a "status file", so we need to make sure this is handled
>> somehow.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Ok, I try...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> that looks very *generic* but why the mention of Struts inside of
>> >>>>>> ibatis?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Oops, typo.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I need to lookup some historical dates for the Incubator status
>> >>>>>>> page, but we seem otherwise good to go.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I slacked on the dates and just updated the page in
>> >>>>>Subversion to say "DONE", but haven't published it yet.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>As far as TODOs go, what's left are the "decision making
>> guidelines".
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>-Ted.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
Re: Proposal: decision making process
Posted by Heath Borders <he...@gmail.com>.
org.apache.myfaces.mailinglist.EmailStackOverflowError
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:32:18 +0100, Martin Marinschek
<ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 for a meta decision ;)
>
>
> On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:25:17 +0100, Manfred Geiler <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > What about this decision itself, do we need a meta decision process? ;-)
> > Oh, I love recursive self-references :-)
> >
> > Manfred
> >
> > Heath Borders schrieb:
> > > +1
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:44:07 +0100, Martin Marinschek
> > > <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>+1
> > >>
> > >>regards,
> > >>
> > >>Martin
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 05:21:22 -0700, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>Hi All,
> > >>>
> > >>>I'd like to propose that we use the same process that Tomcat uses;
> > >>>
> > >>>http://jakarta.apache.org/site/decisions.html
> > >>>
> > >>>As you can read in the copied thread below this is one of the last
> > >>>remaining items before we become a top level project (cool!) so we need
> > >>>to nail this down RSN.
> > >>>
> > >>>I believe all we have to do is point to this page (correct Ted?)
> > >>>
> > >>>Thoughts?
> > >>>
> > >>>TTFN,
> > >>>
> > >>>-bd-
> > >>>
> > >>>On Jan 7, 2005, at 3:01 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>We mentioned applying for TLP in the proposal. So, if that's
> > >>>>>what we still want, then yes.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Unless, of course, there is another TLP that you would like
> > >>>>>to join instead.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Personally, I think the scope is broad enough to justify its
> > >>>>>own project.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Yes, think so too. So with a TLP myfaces.apache.org, there is
> > >>>>enough room for subprojects like you guys to with Struts.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>One candiate will be perhaps the WML RenderKit
> > >>>>and the extra components. (the TilesViewHandler one I'd like
> > >>>>to see inside of tiles.apache.org -Yes I saw your draft on
> > >>>>that)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> Ok, we have to *convert* the documentation etc into forrest xml
> > >>>>>> stuff, that should be added to http://incubator.apache.org/myfaces/
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Of course, you know that Forrest is not a *requirement*. You
> > >>>>>can use anything you like.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>I'm not sure about PHP though. We'd have to check with
> > >>>>>infrastructure. There's an inclination to have the sites end
> > >>>>>up as HTML, to minimize server load.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Since I got a basic knowledge of forrest and since it is
> > >>>>usable from ANT, I think forrest will be fine. Also the
> > >>>>current homepage is based upon forrest, so why not continue.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>At weekend I will try to convert some docs from myfaces.org
> > >>>>to our page.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>I didn't mean that I added, only that, if it were me, I'd
> > >>>>>make it a status "page" rather than a status "file".
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>You might just add a "Status" page to the Community tab. A
> > >>>>>"Roadmap" page might do as well. What the checklist says is:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>" (Committers, non-incubation action items, project resources, etc)"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>There are Incubator PMC members who do insist that projects
> > >>>>>have a "status file", so we need to make sure this is handled somehow.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Ok, I try...
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> that looks very *generic* but why the mention of Struts inside of
> > >>>>>> ibatis?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Oops, typo.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I need to lookup some historical dates for the Incubator status
> > >>>>>>> page, but we seem otherwise good to go.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>I slacked on the dates and just updated the page in
> > >>>>>Subversion to say "DONE", but haven't published it yet.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>As far as TODOs go, what's left are the "decision making guidelines".
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>-Ted.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
--
-Heath Borders-Wing
hborders@mail.win.org
Re: Proposal: decision making process
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
+1 for a meta decision ;)
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:25:17 +0100, Manfred Geiler <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1
>
> What about this decision itself, do we need a meta decision process? ;-)
> Oh, I love recursive self-references :-)
>
> Manfred
>
> Heath Borders schrieb:
> > +1
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:44:07 +0100, Martin Marinschek
> > <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>+1
> >>
> >>regards,
> >>
> >>Martin
> >>
> >>
> >>On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 05:21:22 -0700, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi All,
> >>>
> >>>I'd like to propose that we use the same process that Tomcat uses;
> >>>
> >>>http://jakarta.apache.org/site/decisions.html
> >>>
> >>>As you can read in the copied thread below this is one of the last
> >>>remaining items before we become a top level project (cool!) so we need
> >>>to nail this down RSN.
> >>>
> >>>I believe all we have to do is point to this page (correct Ted?)
> >>>
> >>>Thoughts?
> >>>
> >>>TTFN,
> >>>
> >>>-bd-
> >>>
> >>>On Jan 7, 2005, at 3:01 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>We mentioned applying for TLP in the proposal. So, if that's
> >>>>>what we still want, then yes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Unless, of course, there is another TLP that you would like
> >>>>>to join instead.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Personally, I think the scope is broad enough to justify its
> >>>>>own project.
> >>>>
> >>>>Yes, think so too. So with a TLP myfaces.apache.org, there is
> >>>>enough room for subprojects like you guys to with Struts.
> >>>>
> >>>>One candiate will be perhaps the WML RenderKit
> >>>>and the extra components. (the TilesViewHandler one I'd like
> >>>>to see inside of tiles.apache.org -Yes I saw your draft on
> >>>>that)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Ok, we have to *convert* the documentation etc into forrest xml
> >>>>>> stuff, that should be added to http://incubator.apache.org/myfaces/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Of course, you know that Forrest is not a *requirement*. You
> >>>>>can use anything you like.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I'm not sure about PHP though. We'd have to check with
> >>>>>infrastructure. There's an inclination to have the sites end
> >>>>>up as HTML, to minimize server load.
> >>>>
> >>>>Since I got a basic knowledge of forrest and since it is
> >>>>usable from ANT, I think forrest will be fine. Also the
> >>>>current homepage is based upon forrest, so why not continue.
> >>>>
> >>>>At weekend I will try to convert some docs from myfaces.org
> >>>>to our page.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I didn't mean that I added, only that, if it were me, I'd
> >>>>>make it a status "page" rather than a status "file".
> >>>>>
> >>>>>You might just add a "Status" page to the Community tab. A
> >>>>>"Roadmap" page might do as well. What the checklist says is:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>" (Committers, non-incubation action items, project resources, etc)"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>There are Incubator PMC members who do insist that projects
> >>>>>have a "status file", so we need to make sure this is handled somehow.
> >>>>
> >>>>Ok, I try...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> that looks very *generic* but why the mention of Struts inside of
> >>>>>> ibatis?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Oops, typo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> I need to lookup some historical dates for the Incubator status
> >>>>>>> page, but we seem otherwise good to go.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I slacked on the dates and just updated the page in
> >>>>>Subversion to say "DONE", but haven't published it yet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>As far as TODOs go, what's left are the "decision making guidelines".
> >>>>>
> >>>>>-Ted.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>
Re: Proposal: decision making process
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:25:17 +0100, Manfred Geiler wrote:
> +1
>
> What about this decision itself, do we need a meta decision
> process? ;-) Oh, I love recursive self-references :-)
>
> Manfred
Just as an aside, the preference is for Apache projects to discuss their way into a decision, rather than appeal to the process.
Ideally, people should chat about things on the list, until someone does something about it. If no one comments on the commit, then the decision is made. We call this "lazy consensus".
The key to this, of course, is that all the commits flow through the DEV list. The commits are part of the development discussion too. The only part that matters, really :)
The Jakarta project tends to be a bit vote-happy. Many Apaches consider all this voting slightly scandalous. Outside of a release, voting is seen as a sign that discussions have broken down. Following the formal process is considered a last resort -- what you do when discussions don't seem to be working, and the team is not of one mind.
A release is a little different. Since there are different grades of release, a release will always require a vote. But these are usually majority votes, and a -1 is not a showstopper. (Though, the goal is always for the members to be unanimous, or to find a way for them to become unanimous.)
The bottom line is that a project is not a government, it's a team, and a team should be of one mind.
-Ted.
Re: Proposal: decision making process
Posted by Manfred Geiler <ma...@apache.org>.
+1
What about this decision itself, do we need a meta decision process? ;-)
Oh, I love recursive self-references :-)
Manfred
Heath Borders schrieb:
> +1
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:44:07 +0100, Martin Marinschek
> <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>+1
>>
>>regards,
>>
>>Martin
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 05:21:22 -0700, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi All,
>>>
>>>I'd like to propose that we use the same process that Tomcat uses;
>>>
>>>http://jakarta.apache.org/site/decisions.html
>>>
>>>As you can read in the copied thread below this is one of the last
>>>remaining items before we become a top level project (cool!) so we need
>>>to nail this down RSN.
>>>
>>>I believe all we have to do is point to this page (correct Ted?)
>>>
>>>Thoughts?
>>>
>>>TTFN,
>>>
>>>-bd-
>>>
>>>On Jan 7, 2005, at 3:01 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>We mentioned applying for TLP in the proposal. So, if that's
>>>>>what we still want, then yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Unless, of course, there is another TLP that you would like
>>>>>to join instead.
>>>>>
>>>>>Personally, I think the scope is broad enough to justify its
>>>>>own project.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, think so too. So with a TLP myfaces.apache.org, there is
>>>>enough room for subprojects like you guys to with Struts.
>>>>
>>>>One candiate will be perhaps the WML RenderKit
>>>>and the extra components. (the TilesViewHandler one I'd like
>>>>to see inside of tiles.apache.org -Yes I saw your draft on
>>>>that)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, we have to *convert* the documentation etc into forrest xml
>>>>>> stuff, that should be added to http://incubator.apache.org/myfaces/
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course, you know that Forrest is not a *requirement*. You
>>>>>can use anything you like.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm not sure about PHP though. We'd have to check with
>>>>>infrastructure. There's an inclination to have the sites end
>>>>>up as HTML, to minimize server load.
>>>>
>>>>Since I got a basic knowledge of forrest and since it is
>>>>usable from ANT, I think forrest will be fine. Also the
>>>>current homepage is based upon forrest, so why not continue.
>>>>
>>>>At weekend I will try to convert some docs from myfaces.org
>>>>to our page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I didn't mean that I added, only that, if it were me, I'd
>>>>>make it a status "page" rather than a status "file".
>>>>>
>>>>>You might just add a "Status" page to the Community tab. A
>>>>>"Roadmap" page might do as well. What the checklist says is:
>>>>>
>>>>>" (Committers, non-incubation action items, project resources, etc)"
>>>>>
>>>>>There are Incubator PMC members who do insist that projects
>>>>>have a "status file", so we need to make sure this is handled somehow.
>>>>
>>>>Ok, I try...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> that looks very *generic* but why the mention of Struts inside of
>>>>>> ibatis?
>>>>>
>>>>>Oops, typo.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I need to lookup some historical dates for the Incubator status
>>>>>>> page, but we seem otherwise good to go.
>>>>>
>>>>>I slacked on the dates and just updated the page in
>>>>>Subversion to say "DONE", but haven't published it yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>As far as TODOs go, what's left are the "decision making guidelines".
>>>>>
>>>>>-Ted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: Proposal: decision making process
Posted by Heath Borders <he...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:44:07 +0100, Martin Marinschek
<ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 05:21:22 -0700, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'd like to propose that we use the same process that Tomcat uses;
> >
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/site/decisions.html
> >
> > As you can read in the copied thread below this is one of the last
> > remaining items before we become a top level project (cool!) so we need
> > to nail this down RSN.
> >
> > I believe all we have to do is point to this page (correct Ted?)
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > TTFN,
> >
> > -bd-
> >
> > On Jan 7, 2005, at 3:01 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >> We mentioned applying for TLP in the proposal. So, if that's
> > >> what we still want, then yes.
> > >>
> > >> Unless, of course, there is another TLP that you would like
> > >> to join instead.
> > >>
> > >> Personally, I think the scope is broad enough to justify its
> > >> own project.
> > >
> > > Yes, think so too. So with a TLP myfaces.apache.org, there is
> > > enough room for subprojects like you guys to with Struts.
> > >
> > > One candiate will be perhaps the WML RenderKit
> > > and the extra components. (the TilesViewHandler one I'd like
> > > to see inside of tiles.apache.org -Yes I saw your draft on
> > > that)
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>> Ok, we have to *convert* the documentation etc into forrest xml
> > >>> stuff, that should be added to http://incubator.apache.org/myfaces/
> > >>
> > >> Of course, you know that Forrest is not a *requirement*. You
> > >> can use anything you like.
> > >>
> > >> I'm not sure about PHP though. We'd have to check with
> > >> infrastructure. There's an inclination to have the sites end
> > >> up as HTML, to minimize server load.
> > >
> > > Since I got a basic knowledge of forrest and since it is
> > > usable from ANT, I think forrest will be fine. Also the
> > > current homepage is based upon forrest, so why not continue.
> > >
> > > At weekend I will try to convert some docs from myfaces.org
> > > to our page.
> > >
> > >> I didn't mean that I added, only that, if it were me, I'd
> > >> make it a status "page" rather than a status "file".
> > >>
> > >> You might just add a "Status" page to the Community tab. A
> > >> "Roadmap" page might do as well. What the checklist says is:
> > >>
> > >> " (Committers, non-incubation action items, project resources, etc)"
> > >>
> > >> There are Incubator PMC members who do insist that projects
> > >> have a "status file", so we need to make sure this is handled somehow.
> > >
> > > Ok, I try...
> > >
> > >>> that looks very *generic* but why the mention of Struts inside of
> > >>> ibatis?
> > >>
> > >> Oops, typo.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>> I need to lookup some historical dates for the Incubator status
> > >>>> page, but we seem otherwise good to go.
> > >>
> > >> I slacked on the dates and just updated the page in
> > >> Subversion to say "DONE", but haven't published it yet.
> > >>
> > >> As far as TODOs go, what's left are the "decision making guidelines".
> > >>
> > >> -Ted.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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-Heath Borders-Wing
hborders@mail.win.org
Re: Proposal: decision making process
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
+1
regards,
Martin
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 05:21:22 -0700, Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'd like to propose that we use the same process that Tomcat uses;
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/decisions.html
>
> As you can read in the copied thread below this is one of the last
> remaining items before we become a top level project (cool!) so we need
> to nail this down RSN.
>
> I believe all we have to do is point to this page (correct Ted?)
>
> Thoughts?
>
> TTFN,
>
> -bd-
>
> On Jan 7, 2005, at 3:01 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>
> >
> >> We mentioned applying for TLP in the proposal. So, if that's
> >> what we still want, then yes.
> >>
> >> Unless, of course, there is another TLP that you would like
> >> to join instead.
> >>
> >> Personally, I think the scope is broad enough to justify its
> >> own project.
> >
> > Yes, think so too. So with a TLP myfaces.apache.org, there is
> > enough room for subprojects like you guys to with Struts.
> >
> > One candiate will be perhaps the WML RenderKit
> > and the extra components. (the TilesViewHandler one I'd like
> > to see inside of tiles.apache.org -Yes I saw your draft on
> > that)
> >
> >
> >>
> >>> Ok, we have to *convert* the documentation etc into forrest xml
> >>> stuff, that should be added to http://incubator.apache.org/myfaces/
> >>
> >> Of course, you know that Forrest is not a *requirement*. You
> >> can use anything you like.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure about PHP though. We'd have to check with
> >> infrastructure. There's an inclination to have the sites end
> >> up as HTML, to minimize server load.
> >
> > Since I got a basic knowledge of forrest and since it is
> > usable from ANT, I think forrest will be fine. Also the
> > current homepage is based upon forrest, so why not continue.
> >
> > At weekend I will try to convert some docs from myfaces.org
> > to our page.
> >
> >> I didn't mean that I added, only that, if it were me, I'd
> >> make it a status "page" rather than a status "file".
> >>
> >> You might just add a "Status" page to the Community tab. A
> >> "Roadmap" page might do as well. What the checklist says is:
> >>
> >> " (Committers, non-incubation action items, project resources, etc)"
> >>
> >> There are Incubator PMC members who do insist that projects
> >> have a "status file", so we need to make sure this is handled somehow.
> >
> > Ok, I try...
> >
> >>> that looks very *generic* but why the mention of Struts inside of
> >>> ibatis?
> >>
> >> Oops, typo.
> >>
> >>
> >>>> I need to lookup some historical dates for the Incubator status
> >>>> page, but we seem otherwise good to go.
> >>
> >> I slacked on the dates and just updated the page in
> >> Subversion to say "DONE", but haven't published it yet.
> >>
> >> As far as TODOs go, what's left are the "decision making guidelines".
> >>
> >> -Ted.
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
Re: Proposal: decision making process
Posted by Grant Smith <gr...@marathon-man.com>.
+1 on both
On Friday 07 January 2005 04:21, Bill Dudney wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'd like to propose that we use the same process that Tomcat uses;
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/decisions.html
>
> As you can read in the copied thread below this is one of the last
> remaining items before we become a top level project (cool!) so we need
> to nail this down RSN.
>
> I believe all we have to do is point to this page (correct Ted?)
>
> Thoughts?
>
> TTFN,
>
> -bd-
>
> On Jan 7, 2005, at 3:01 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> >> We mentioned applying for TLP in the proposal. So, if that's
> >> what we still want, then yes.
> >>
> >> Unless, of course, there is another TLP that you would like
> >> to join instead.
> >>
> >> Personally, I think the scope is broad enough to justify its
> >> own project.
> >
> > Yes, think so too. So with a TLP myfaces.apache.org, there is
> > enough room for subprojects like you guys to with Struts.
> >
> > One candiate will be perhaps the WML RenderKit
> > and the extra components. (the TilesViewHandler one I'd like
> > to see inside of tiles.apache.org -Yes I saw your draft on
> > that)
> >
> >>> Ok, we have to *convert* the documentation etc into forrest xml
> >>> stuff, that should be added to http://incubator.apache.org/myfaces/
> >>
> >> Of course, you know that Forrest is not a *requirement*. You
> >> can use anything you like.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure about PHP though. We'd have to check with
> >> infrastructure. There's an inclination to have the sites end
> >> up as HTML, to minimize server load.
> >
> > Since I got a basic knowledge of forrest and since it is
> > usable from ANT, I think forrest will be fine. Also the
> > current homepage is based upon forrest, so why not continue.
> >
> > At weekend I will try to convert some docs from myfaces.org
> > to our page.
> >
> >> I didn't mean that I added, only that, if it were me, I'd
> >> make it a status "page" rather than a status "file".
> >>
> >> You might just add a "Status" page to the Community tab. A
> >> "Roadmap" page might do as well. What the checklist says is:
> >>
> >> " (Committers, non-incubation action items, project resources, etc)"
> >>
> >> There are Incubator PMC members who do insist that projects
> >> have a "status file", so we need to make sure this is handled somehow.
> >
> > Ok, I try...
> >
> >>> that looks very *generic* but why the mention of Struts inside of
> >>> ibatis?
> >>
> >> Oops, typo.
> >>
> >>>> I need to lookup some historical dates for the Incubator status
> >>>> page, but we seem otherwise good to go.
> >>
> >> I slacked on the dates and just updated the page in
> >> Subversion to say "DONE", but haven't published it yet.
> >>
> >> As far as TODOs go, what's left are the "decision making guidelines".
> >>
> >> -Ted.