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Posted to server-user@james.apache.org by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com> on 2002/12/10 17:13:07 UTC
Sending to user@[ip] address
Randy,
The mail client sent the wrong data. You sent user@[24.240.241.4]>, but
look what the mail client provided to james:
10/12/02 09:44:18 DEBUG smtpserver: Command received: RCPT TO:<user>
10/12/02 09:44:18 DEBUG smtpserver: Sent: 250 Recipient <us...@localhost> OK
James was only given <user>, and so it added the @localhost. OK, now we
know that james never receives the proper address. The question is why the
mail client didn't send the address as you provided it. What e-mail client?
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Re: Sending to user@[ip] address
Posted by JRC <po...@neonkiwi.com>.
Noel,
You are correct about not having localhost configured as a servername.
You are incorrect about the machine the emails are being sent from. They are
coming from a machine other than the server but on the same LAN. The emails
have also been sent through my ISP email account, James had nothing to do
with the outbound emails.
--randy
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From: "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
To: "James Users List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: Sending to user@[ip] address
> Randy,
>
> I am guessing that you are sending from the same machine that is the
server,
> and these mail clients are deciding to eliminate the IP address since they
> detect that it is the local host. On the other hand, I seem to recall
that
> you don't have localhost in your servernames list, so once the mail client
> somewhat inadvisedly drops the @[ip] portion of the address, the result is
> no longer valid on your server.
>
> Is that right?
>
> --- Noel
>
>
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Re: Sending to user@[ip] address
Posted by JRC <po...@neonkiwi.com>.
Noel,
Thanks. I was always bugged by this little oddity. The funny thing is that
it was the overall unreliability of my ISPs mail server that sent me in
search of my own server in the first place...James is good....me like
James....
Oh, I can't recall if I've mentioned this before but I really appreciate all
of the help, suggestions, and advice that I've recieved from Danny, Peter,
and you over the past several months.
Happy Holidays,
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
To: "James Users List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 3:44 PM
Subject: RE: Sending to user@[ip] address
> Randy,
>
> I was afraid that you'd get that answer. From what I have read on qmail's
> archives, they don't think too highly of the folks at Stalker software.
>
> If you put localhost back into the servernames set, it should allow these
> e-mails to be processed.
>
> Danny wrote:
> > I've come across at least one SMTP<->ARPA gateway which didn't,
> > citing the rfc's recommendation that literals only ever be
> > used as a temporary measure as a reason for not supporting them.
>
> AFAIK, RFC 2821 is the most recent that would effect that functionality.
> Section 4.1.3 says "Sometimes a host is not known to the domain name
system
> and communication (and, in particular, communication to report and repair
> the error) is blocked. To bypass this barrier a special literal form of
the
> address is allowed as an alternative to a domain name."
>
> In any event, the MTA is delivering the e-mail based upon the
> address-literal, so they are partially honoring it. The problem is that
> they are also corrupting the address by removing the address-literal.
>
> --- Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JRC [mailto:postmaster@neonkiwi.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 15:59
> To: James Users List
> Subject: Re: Sending to user@[ip] address
>
>
> Noel,
>
> This was the response I got from cgp-support.
> Outlook Express won't even consider letting me send an email to a
recipient
> formed like cgp's suggestions. Their first suggestion is really stupid, if
I
> knew the domain name why would I want to add the IP?
>
> *****************************
> The address in "to" is never modified. But the address in the mail
envelope
> CAN be just "user", i.e. the @[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] can be cut off. If your
> server has problems with that, use:
>
> user@domainname@[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]
> or even
> user@[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]@[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]
>
> ******************************
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
> To: "James Users List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:14 PM
> Subject: RE: Sending to user@[ip] address
>
>
> > Randy,
> >
> > CommuniGate Pro? You might want to contact cgp-support@stalker.com, and
> ask
> > them if they comply with address-literals as defined by RFC 2821 4.1.3
> (aka
> > domain-literals in RFC 822 6.2.3).
> >
> > --- Noel
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JRC [mailto:postmaster@neonkiwi.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:45
> > To: James Users List
> > Subject: Re: Sending to user@[ip] address
> >
> >
> > Noel,
> > Your mail came through just fine. I also sent an email from one james
> > account to another and it worked fine. I now suspect that my ISP mail
> server
> > has been hosing the deal all along.........Bad, Bad, CommuniGate Pro!
> > Thanks,
> > Randy
> >
> >
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RE: Sending to user@[ip] address
Posted by Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>.
> AFAIK, RFC 2821 is the most recent that would effect that functionality.
> Section 4.1.3 says "Sometimes a host is not known to the domain
> name system
> and communication (and, in particular, communication to report and repair
> the error) is blocked. To bypass this barrier a special literal
> form of the
> address is allowed as an alternative to a domain name."
Doesn't help me with the b**** university postmasters though, they were adamant that they weren't going to allow @[ip] through their outgoing gateway, but frankly I think its laziness more than a reasonable excuse.
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RE: Sending to user@[ip] address
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Randy,
I was afraid that you'd get that answer. From what I have read on qmail's
archives, they don't think too highly of the folks at Stalker software.
If you put localhost back into the servernames set, it should allow these
e-mails to be processed.
Danny wrote:
> I've come across at least one SMTP<->ARPA gateway which didn't,
> citing the rfc's recommendation that literals only ever be
> used as a temporary measure as a reason for not supporting them.
AFAIK, RFC 2821 is the most recent that would effect that functionality.
Section 4.1.3 says "Sometimes a host is not known to the domain name system
and communication (and, in particular, communication to report and repair
the error) is blocked. To bypass this barrier a special literal form of the
address is allowed as an alternative to a domain name."
In any event, the MTA is delivering the e-mail based upon the
address-literal, so they are partially honoring it. The problem is that
they are also corrupting the address by removing the address-literal.
--- Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: JRC [mailto:postmaster@neonkiwi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 15:59
To: James Users List
Subject: Re: Sending to user@[ip] address
Noel,
This was the response I got from cgp-support.
Outlook Express won't even consider letting me send an email to a recipient
formed like cgp's suggestions. Their first suggestion is really stupid, if I
knew the domain name why would I want to add the IP?
*****************************
The address in "to" is never modified. But the address in the mail envelope
CAN be just "user", i.e. the @[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] can be cut off. If your
server has problems with that, use:
user@domainname@[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]
or even
user@[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]@[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]
******************************
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
To: "James Users List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Sending to user@[ip] address
> Randy,
>
> CommuniGate Pro? You might want to contact cgp-support@stalker.com, and
ask
> them if they comply with address-literals as defined by RFC 2821 4.1.3
(aka
> domain-literals in RFC 822 6.2.3).
>
> --- Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JRC [mailto:postmaster@neonkiwi.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:45
> To: James Users List
> Subject: Re: Sending to user@[ip] address
>
>
> Noel,
> Your mail came through just fine. I also sent an email from one james
> account to another and it worked fine. I now suspect that my ISP mail
server
> has been hosing the deal all along.........Bad, Bad, CommuniGate Pro!
> Thanks,
> Randy
>
>
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Re: Sending to user@[ip] address
Posted by JRC <po...@neonkiwi.com>.
Noel,
This was the response I got from cgp-support.
Outlook Express won't even consider letting me send an email to a recipient
formed like cgp's suggestions. Their first suggestion is really stupid, if I
knew the domain name why would I want to add the IP?
*****************************
The address in "to" is never modified. But the address in the mail envelope
CAN be just "user", i.e. the @[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] can be cut off. If your
server has problems with that, use:
user@domainname@[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]
or even
user@[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]@[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]
******************************
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
To: "James Users List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Sending to user@[ip] address
> Randy,
>
> CommuniGate Pro? You might want to contact cgp-support@stalker.com, and
ask
> them if they comply with address-literals as defined by RFC 2821 4.1.3
(aka
> domain-literals in RFC 822 6.2.3).
>
> --- Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JRC [mailto:postmaster@neonkiwi.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:45
> To: James Users List
> Subject: Re: Sending to user@[ip] address
>
>
> Noel,
> Your mail came through just fine. I also sent an email from one james
> account to another and it worked fine. I now suspect that my ISP mail
server
> has been hosing the deal all along.........Bad, Bad, CommuniGate Pro!
> Thanks,
> Randy
>
>
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RE: Sending to user@[ip] address
Posted by Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>.
I've come across at least one SMTP<->ARPA gateway which didn't, citing the rfc's recommendation that literals only ever be used as a temporary measure as a reason for not supporting them.
> CommuniGate Pro? You might want to contact
> cgp-support@stalker.com, and ask
> them if they comply with address-literals as defined by RFC 2821
> 4.1.3 (aka
> domain-literals in RFC 822 6.2.3).
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RE: Sending to user@[ip] address
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Randy,
CommuniGate Pro? You might want to contact cgp-support@stalker.com, and ask
them if they comply with address-literals as defined by RFC 2821 4.1.3 (aka
domain-literals in RFC 822 6.2.3).
--- Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: JRC [mailto:postmaster@neonkiwi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:45
To: James Users List
Subject: Re: Sending to user@[ip] address
Noel,
Your mail came through just fine. I also sent an email from one james
account to another and it worked fine. I now suspect that my ISP mail server
has been hosing the deal all along.........Bad, Bad, CommuniGate Pro!
Thanks,
Randy
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Re: Sending to user@[ip] address
Posted by JRC <po...@neonkiwi.com>.
Noel,
Your mail came through just fine. I also sent an email from one james
account to another and it worked fine. I now suspect that my ISP mail server
has been hosing the deal all along.........Bad, Bad, CommuniGate Pro!
Thanks,
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
To: "James Users List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: Sending to user@[ip] address
> Randy,
>
> I am guessing that you are sending from the same machine that is the
server,
> and these mail clients are deciding to eliminate the IP address since they
> detect that it is the local host. On the other hand, I seem to recall
that
> you don't have localhost in your servernames list, so once the mail client
> somewhat inadvisedly drops the @[ip] portion of the address, the result is
> no longer valid on your server.
>
> Is that right?
>
> --- Noel
>
>
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RE: Sending to user@[ip] address
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Randy,
I am guessing that you are sending from the same machine that is the server,
and these mail clients are deciding to eliminate the IP address since they
detect that it is the local host. On the other hand, I seem to recall that
you don't have localhost in your servernames list, so once the mail client
somewhat inadvisedly drops the @[ip] portion of the address, the result is
no longer valid on your server.
Is that right?
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Re: Sending to user@[ip] address
Posted by JRC <po...@neonkiwi.com>.
Noel,
Netscape 6.2 did the same thing..
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019
Netscape6/6.2
with SMTP AUTH on the sender recieved Auth Required error.
with SMTP AUTH off the message fell through to the ALL matcher
10/12/02 10:29:08 DEBUG smtpserver: Command received: RCPT TO:<user>
10/12/02 10:29:08 DEBUG smtpserver: Sent: 250 Recipient <us...@localhost> OK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
To: "James Users List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:13 AM
Subject: Sending to user@[ip] address
> Randy,
>
> The mail client sent the wrong data. You sent user@[24.240.241.4]>, but
> look what the mail client provided to james:
>
> 10/12/02 09:44:18 DEBUG smtpserver: Command received: RCPT TO:<user>
> 10/12/02 09:44:18 DEBUG smtpserver: Sent: 250 Recipient <us...@localhost>
OK
>
> James was only given <user>, and so it added the @localhost. OK, now we
> know that james never receives the proper address. The question is why
the
> mail client didn't send the address as you provided it. What e-mail
client?
>
> --- Noel
>
>
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Re: Sending to user@[ip] address
Posted by JRC <po...@neonkiwi.com>.
Noel,
The other user is me and i have been using a different macine on the LAN.
Also haven't been using James to send the message, I've been using my isp
account......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
To: "James Users List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: Sending to user@[ip] address
> Randy,
>
> Outlook Express on the same machine as the server? Could be a dumb
> assumption on their part. What happens if you do it from another machine?
>
> --- Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JRC [mailto:postmaster@neonkiwi.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:23
> To: James Users List
> Subject: Re: Sending to user@[ip] address
>
>
> Noel,
> I'm using Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 XP SP1
> I'm going to set up Netscape and see what happens....
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
> To: "James Users List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:13 AM
> Subject: Sending to user@[ip] address
>
>
> > Randy,
> >
> > The mail client sent the wrong data. You sent user@[24.240.241.4]>, but
> > look what the mail client provided to james:
> >
> > 10/12/02 09:44:18 DEBUG smtpserver: Command received: RCPT TO:<user>
> > 10/12/02 09:44:18 DEBUG smtpserver: Sent: 250 Recipient <us...@localhost>
> OK
> >
> > James was only given <user>, and so it added the @localhost. OK, now we
> > know that james never receives the proper address. The question is why
> the
> > mail client didn't send the address as you provided it. What e-mail
> client?
> >
> > --- Noel
>
>
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RE: Sending to user@[ip] address
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Randy,
Outlook Express on the same machine as the server? Could be a dumb
assumption on their part. What happens if you do it from another machine?
--- Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: JRC [mailto:postmaster@neonkiwi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:23
To: James Users List
Subject: Re: Sending to user@[ip] address
Noel,
I'm using Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 XP SP1
I'm going to set up Netscape and see what happens....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
To: "James Users List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:13 AM
Subject: Sending to user@[ip] address
> Randy,
>
> The mail client sent the wrong data. You sent user@[24.240.241.4]>, but
> look what the mail client provided to james:
>
> 10/12/02 09:44:18 DEBUG smtpserver: Command received: RCPT TO:<user>
> 10/12/02 09:44:18 DEBUG smtpserver: Sent: 250 Recipient <us...@localhost>
OK
>
> James was only given <user>, and so it added the @localhost. OK, now we
> know that james never receives the proper address. The question is why
the
> mail client didn't send the address as you provided it. What e-mail
client?
>
> --- Noel
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Re: Sending to user@[ip] address
Posted by JRC <po...@neonkiwi.com>.
Noel,
I'm using Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 XP SP1
I'm going to set up Netscape and see what happens....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
To: "James Users List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:13 AM
Subject: Sending to user@[ip] address
> Randy,
>
> The mail client sent the wrong data. You sent user@[24.240.241.4]>, but
> look what the mail client provided to james:
>
> 10/12/02 09:44:18 DEBUG smtpserver: Command received: RCPT TO:<user>
> 10/12/02 09:44:18 DEBUG smtpserver: Sent: 250 Recipient <us...@localhost>
OK
>
> James was only given <user>, and so it added the @localhost. OK, now we
> know that james never receives the proper address. The question is why
the
> mail client didn't send the address as you provided it. What e-mail
client?
>
> --- Noel
>
>
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