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[betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would like to
start using it in production systems.
Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0
alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release.
Tim
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Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 15:38, __matthewHawthorne wrote:
> Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> > Hi Tim,
> > Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to
> >
> > On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote:
> >>Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would like to
> >>start using it in production systems.
> >>
> >>Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0
> >>alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release.
>
>
> I use betwixt in production, and would be willing to help push for a
> release. It would be nice if Robert or Martin could create a roadmap of
> sorts which could identify all of the works in progress and other things
> necessary for a betwixt 1.0 release.
>
Too bad we don't have jira yet, it has some nice roadmap features.. See for the rest my reply to Tim...
Mvgr,
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Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Posted by __matthewHawthorne <ma...@phreaker.net>.
Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to
>
> On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote:
>>Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would like to
>>start using it in production systems.
>>
>>Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0
>>alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release.
I use betwixt in production, and would be willing to help push for a
release. It would be nice if Robert or Martin could create a roadmap of
sorts which could identify all of the works in progress and other things
necessary for a betwixt 1.0 release.
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[codec] author tags to be removed
Posted by Tim O'Brien <to...@discursive.com>.
As per the discussions, @author tags are going away. Anyone listed in an
author tag who is not in the project.xml will be added.
This is a small matter, but if anyone objects, do so within the next day.
Tim
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Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
We started before codehaus was there on the servers of Bob under
xulux.org. After the move from nyx.xulux.org to xulux.org and the first
release, I will personally see to it, that I make as much noise as
possible to get me some users, besides myself :)
Mvgr,
Martin
On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 18:09, Tim O'Brien wrote:
> On 29 Dec 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
>
> > I will also check to see how good the testcoverage is, since I lost
> > track of that a long time ago :)
>
> I'll gladly help out with increasing coverage. :-)
>
> <OFF-TOPIC>
> How come Xulux isn't linked from Codehaus frontpage?
> </OFF-TOPIC>
>
> Tim
>
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Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Posted by Tim O'Brien <to...@discursive.com>.
On 29 Dec 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> I will also check to see how good the testcoverage is, since I lost
> track of that a long time ago :)
I'll gladly help out with increasing coverage. :-)
<OFF-TOPIC>
How come Xulux isn't linked from Codehaus frontpage?
</OFF-TOPIC>
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Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
I am not monitoring the a-c / j-c debate too specific (just if I want
some destraction from a programming problem) :).
It's not that I don't care about it, just care more about programming
till I drop :).
For a release we absolutely need Robert (at least pending changes, and
current todo's), since he did the last big refactor. I will try to reach
him in private to ask, just in case he is not able to monitor the list
because of lack of time..
I would like to move bugzilla issues out of the way before a release.
Robert probabably should close one, the rest has my attention :).
I will also check to see how good the testcoverage is, since I lost
track of that a long time ago :)
Mvgr,
Martin
On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 15:38, Tim O'Brien wrote:
> Understood. I'm in the same boat as you.
>
> Let me know if you need any release support. In the meantime, if you find
> yourself overburdened, let's start delegating.
>
> I'm surprised that we have enough time to talk about all these
> philosophical J-C vs. A-C issues, or even debating author tags when
> something as important as Betwixt sits in an Alpha for so long.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On 29 Dec 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
>
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > On my part that almost all my "resources" go to my gui framework xulux
> > on codehaus, my work, my newly acquired family and preparation for my
> > new house. I try to organize a "betwixt" night so now and then, but that
> > is hardly enough time to get a new release out the door.
> > Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to
> > other projects.
> > So currently betwixt is a bit asleep and wakes up so know and then when
> > I can schedule a betwixt night.
> >
> > Mvgr,
> > Martin
> >
> > On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote:
> > > Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would like to
> > > start using it in production systems.
> > >
> > > Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0
> > > alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
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> >
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Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
If you could put your refactorings in a branch, that would be very cool
(easier to merge from / to head). My time is limited too (I am moving in
a couple of weeks), but I'll see if I can find the time to get some
betwixt work done.
Maybe an update on IRC ?
Mvgr,
Martin
On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 22:19, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> i've now realized that releasing the alpha was a major mistake: it
> should have been a 0.1 release. it's reasonable solid as far as it
> goes.
>
> the problem is that the code needs a *lot* of refactoring before the
> functionality that consider the minimal for a full release can be
> added. there's also going to be a lot of deprecated code that will need
> to be removed before it's ready. this means that probably one or two
> minor 0.x releases would be needed. (a secondary issue is that now i'm
> not on the pmc i don't feel able to cast binding vote on legally
> important issues or cut releases so even if the work was done, someone
> else would need to act as release manager.)
>
> i've been working on a major refactoring of betwixt for a long time now
> but i've also got a number of local versions with extra bits and pieces
> in. unfortunately, too much of my time has been taken up with jakarta
> stuff in the last few months and i haven't been able to sort out this
> mess :(
>
> now that i've finished with that, i should have more coding time :)
>
> i've made some progress on the refactoring recently but i've neglected
> a lot of other projects i'm interested in and have a lot of catching up
> to do.
>
> realistically i'm not going to be in a position to put the refactored
> stuff in cvs for a while yet. (i'm very committed to backwards
> compatibility and the final details of the design aren't clear in my
> mind yet though the broad outline is). if there's interest from other
> committers i could think about tidying the refactored stuff up and
> putting it into a branch so that we can talk about the design.
>
> - robert
>
> On 29 Dec 2003, at 14:38, Tim O'Brien wrote:
>
> > Understood. I'm in the same boat as you.
> >
> > Let me know if you need any release support. In the meantime, if you
> > find
> > yourself overburdened, let's start delegating.
> >
> > I'm surprised that we have enough time to talk about all these
> > philosophical J-C vs. A-C issues, or even debating author tags when
> > something as important as Betwixt sits in an Alpha for so long.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > On 29 Dec 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Tim,
> >>
> >> On my part that almost all my "resources" go to my gui framework xulux
> >> on codehaus, my work, my newly acquired family and preparation for my
> >> new house. I try to organize a "betwixt" night so now and then, but
> >> that
> >> is hardly enough time to get a new release out the door.
> >> Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to
> >> other projects.
> >> So currently betwixt is a bit asleep and wakes up so know and then
> >> when
> >> I can schedule a betwixt night.
> >>
> >> Mvgr,
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote:
> >>> Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would
> >>> like to
> >>> start using it in production systems.
> >>>
> >>> Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0
> >>> alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release.
> >>>
> >>> Tim
> >>>
> >>>
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> > Evanston, IL
> > (847) 863-7045
> > tobrien@discursive.com
> >
> >
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Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Posted by Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com>.
> robert burrell donkin wrote:
> > if there's interest from other committers i could think about tidying
the refactored stuff up and
> > putting it into a branch so that we can talk about the design.
>
> I think this may be the best idea. Or, you could create an
> experimental/refactoring directory in CVS and put the code in there.
You could consider a new sandbox project. Then you don't worry about
compatability. (Its what I'd do...)
Stephen
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Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Posted by __matthewHawthorne <ma...@phreaker.net>.
robert burrell donkin wrote:
> if there's interest from other committers i could think about tidying the refactored stuff up and
> putting it into a branch so that we can talk about the design.
I think this may be the best idea. Or, you could create an
experimental/refactoring directory in CVS and put the code in there.
I've had no time to work on Jakarta stuff lately, but I use Betwixt and
am interested in helping to get a release going.
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Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
Btw I am going to use commons-sql (at least a choice for now) for my
work, which depends on betwixt, so with a bit of luck I can do some
betwixt during office hours...
Mvgr,
Martin
On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 23:31, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> On 6 Jan 2004, at 02:50, Ryan Hoegg wrote:
>
> > I am a happy betwixt user and would be happy to take a more active
> > role sometime in late January.
>
> cool. more hands, eyes and brains would be great :)
>
> > What are your concerns with betwixt as it is now?
>
> too many to list quickly. it took me a long time to understand a little
> about what a start-from-java mapper needs to do. now i think i have an
> idea, the current betwixt internal structure isn't strong and simple
> enough to support it.
>
> there are some list of planned features on the todo list in the
> documentation.
>
> the refactoring i've been (slowly) doing is a complete rewrite (again)
> of the xml reading code.
>
> > Perhaps a little road map?
>
> i'd suggest that we start off as martin says: i'll tidy up my
> refactored code and create a branch this weekend. we'll get together
> for a chat on IRC sometime next week or weekend.
>
> i know that some people want (and possibly need) a proper (non-alpha)
> release. the code in cvs head is probably good enough for a 0.1 or 0.5
> release but some other committer would need to manage it. this could be
> done as soon as convenient. (the more advanced refactored stuff would
> be on the branch.)
>
> > Do we have a wiki?
>
> probably :)
>
> but IIRC the apache wiki's (does anyone know more?) are being
> restructured so maybe it'd be a good idea to hold off until the dust
> settles
>
> - robert
>
>
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Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
On 6 Jan 2004, at 02:50, Ryan Hoegg wrote:
> I am a happy betwixt user and would be happy to take a more active
> role sometime in late January.
cool. more hands, eyes and brains would be great :)
> What are your concerns with betwixt as it is now?
too many to list quickly. it took me a long time to understand a little
about what a start-from-java mapper needs to do. now i think i have an
idea, the current betwixt internal structure isn't strong and simple
enough to support it.
there are some list of planned features on the todo list in the
documentation.
the refactoring i've been (slowly) doing is a complete rewrite (again)
of the xml reading code.
> Perhaps a little road map?
i'd suggest that we start off as martin says: i'll tidy up my
refactored code and create a branch this weekend. we'll get together
for a chat on IRC sometime next week or weekend.
i know that some people want (and possibly need) a proper (non-alpha)
release. the code in cvs head is probably good enough for a 0.1 or 0.5
release but some other committer would need to manage it. this could be
done as soon as convenient. (the more advanced refactored stuff would
be on the branch.)
> Do we have a wiki?
probably :)
but IIRC the apache wiki's (does anyone know more?) are being
restructured so maybe it'd be a good idea to hold off until the dust
settles
- robert
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Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Posted by Ryan Hoegg <rh...@isisnetworks.net>.
I am a happy betwixt user and would be happy to take a more active role
sometime in late January. What are your concerns with betwixt as it is
now? Perhaps a little road map? Do we have a wiki?
--
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ISIS Networks
http://www.isisnetworks.net
robert burrell donkin wrote:
> i've now realized that releasing the alpha was a major mistake: it
> should have been a 0.1 release. it's reasonable solid as far as it goes.
>
> the problem is that the code needs a *lot* of refactoring before the
> functionality that consider the minimal for a full release can be
> added. there's also going to be a lot of deprecated code that will
> need to be removed before it's ready. this means that probably one or
> two minor 0.x releases would be needed. (a secondary issue is that now
> i'm not on the pmc i don't feel able to cast binding vote on legally
> important issues or cut releases so even if the work was done, someone
> else would need to act as release manager.)
>
> i've been working on a major refactoring of betwixt for a long time
> now but i've also got a number of local versions with extra bits and
> pieces in. unfortunately, too much of my time has been taken up with
> jakarta stuff in the last few months and i haven't been able to sort
> out this mess :(
>
> now that i've finished with that, i should have more coding time :)
>
> i've made some progress on the refactoring recently but i've neglected
> a lot of other projects i'm interested in and have a lot of catching
> up to do.
>
> realistically i'm not going to be in a position to put the refactored
> stuff in cvs for a while yet. (i'm very committed to backwards
> compatibility and the final details of the design aren't clear in my
> mind yet though the broad outline is). if there's interest from other
> committers i could think about tidying the refactored stuff up and
> putting it into a branch so that we can talk about the design.
>
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RE: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
robert burrell donkin wrote:
> a secondary issue is that now i'm not on the pmc
Hopefully you'll correct that soon. The goal is to have most Jakarta
Committers on the PMC by end of month.
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Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Posted by Tim O'Brien <to...@discursive.com>.
Robert, please, at the very least, put the code up somewhere for
inspection.
BTW, Your work has been invaluable, and J-C, in your absence, has
suffered.
Tim
On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> i've now realized that releasing the alpha was a major mistake: it
> should have been a 0.1 release. it's reasonable solid as far as it
> goes.
>
> the problem is that the code needs a *lot* of refactoring before the
> functionality that consider the minimal for a full release can be
> added. there's also going to be a lot of deprecated code that will need
> to be removed before it's ready. this means that probably one or two
> minor 0.x releases would be needed. (a secondary issue is that now i'm
> not on the pmc i don't feel able to cast binding vote on legally
> important issues or cut releases so even if the work was done, someone
> else would need to act as release manager.)
>
> i've been working on a major refactoring of betwixt for a long time now
> but i've also got a number of local versions with extra bits and pieces
> in. unfortunately, too much of my time has been taken up with jakarta
> stuff in the last few months and i haven't been able to sort out this
> mess :(
>
> now that i've finished with that, i should have more coding time :)
>
> i've made some progress on the refactoring recently but i've neglected
> a lot of other projects i'm interested in and have a lot of catching up
> to do.
>
> realistically i'm not going to be in a position to put the refactored
> stuff in cvs for a while yet. (i'm very committed to backwards
> compatibility and the final details of the design aren't clear in my
> mind yet though the broad outline is). if there's interest from other
> committers i could think about tidying the refactored stuff up and
> putting it into a branch so that we can talk about the design.
>
> - robert
>
> On 29 Dec 2003, at 14:38, Tim O'Brien wrote:
>
> > Understood. I'm in the same boat as you.
> >
> > Let me know if you need any release support. In the meantime, if you
> > find
> > yourself overburdened, let's start delegating.
> >
> > I'm surprised that we have enough time to talk about all these
> > philosophical J-C vs. A-C issues, or even debating author tags when
> > something as important as Betwixt sits in an Alpha for so long.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > On 29 Dec 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Tim,
> >>
> >> On my part that almost all my "resources" go to my gui framework xulux
> >> on codehaus, my work, my newly acquired family and preparation for my
> >> new house. I try to organize a "betwixt" night so now and then, but
> >> that
> >> is hardly enough time to get a new release out the door.
> >> Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to
> >> other projects.
> >> So currently betwixt is a bit asleep and wakes up so know and then
> >> when
> >> I can schedule a betwixt night.
> >>
> >> Mvgr,
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote:
> >>> Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would
> >>> like to
> >>> start using it in production systems.
> >>>
> >>> Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0
> >>> alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release.
> >>>
> >>> Tim
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >
> > --
> > ----------------------
> > Tim O'Brien
> > Evanston, IL
> > (847) 863-7045
> > tobrien@discursive.com
> >
> >
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Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
i've now realized that releasing the alpha was a major mistake: it
should have been a 0.1 release. it's reasonable solid as far as it
goes.
the problem is that the code needs a *lot* of refactoring before the
functionality that consider the minimal for a full release can be
added. there's also going to be a lot of deprecated code that will need
to be removed before it's ready. this means that probably one or two
minor 0.x releases would be needed. (a secondary issue is that now i'm
not on the pmc i don't feel able to cast binding vote on legally
important issues or cut releases so even if the work was done, someone
else would need to act as release manager.)
i've been working on a major refactoring of betwixt for a long time now
but i've also got a number of local versions with extra bits and pieces
in. unfortunately, too much of my time has been taken up with jakarta
stuff in the last few months and i haven't been able to sort out this
mess :(
now that i've finished with that, i should have more coding time :)
i've made some progress on the refactoring recently but i've neglected
a lot of other projects i'm interested in and have a lot of catching up
to do.
realistically i'm not going to be in a position to put the refactored
stuff in cvs for a while yet. (i'm very committed to backwards
compatibility and the final details of the design aren't clear in my
mind yet though the broad outline is). if there's interest from other
committers i could think about tidying the refactored stuff up and
putting it into a branch so that we can talk about the design.
- robert
On 29 Dec 2003, at 14:38, Tim O'Brien wrote:
> Understood. I'm in the same boat as you.
>
> Let me know if you need any release support. In the meantime, if you
> find
> yourself overburdened, let's start delegating.
>
> I'm surprised that we have enough time to talk about all these
> philosophical J-C vs. A-C issues, or even debating author tags when
> something as important as Betwixt sits in an Alpha for so long.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On 29 Dec 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> On my part that almost all my "resources" go to my gui framework xulux
>> on codehaus, my work, my newly acquired family and preparation for my
>> new house. I try to organize a "betwixt" night so now and then, but
>> that
>> is hardly enough time to get a new release out the door.
>> Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to
>> other projects.
>> So currently betwixt is a bit asleep and wakes up so know and then
>> when
>> I can schedule a betwixt night.
>>
>> Mvgr,
>> Martin
>>
>> On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote:
>>> Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would
>>> like to
>>> start using it in production systems.
>>>
>>> Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0
>>> alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
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Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Posted by Tim O'Brien <to...@discursive.com>.
Understood. I'm in the same boat as you.
Let me know if you need any release support. In the meantime, if you find
yourself overburdened, let's start delegating.
I'm surprised that we have enough time to talk about all these
philosophical J-C vs. A-C issues, or even debating author tags when
something as important as Betwixt sits in an Alpha for so long.
Tim
On 29 Dec 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> On my part that almost all my "resources" go to my gui framework xulux
> on codehaus, my work, my newly acquired family and preparation for my
> new house. I try to organize a "betwixt" night so now and then, but that
> is hardly enough time to get a new release out the door.
> Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to
> other projects.
> So currently betwixt is a bit asleep and wakes up so know and then when
> I can schedule a betwixt night.
>
> Mvgr,
> Martin
>
> On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote:
> > Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would like to
> > start using it in production systems.
> >
> > Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0
> > alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
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Re: [betwixt] Status of Betwixt
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
Hi Tim,
On my part that almost all my "resources" go to my gui framework xulux
on codehaus, my work, my newly acquired family and preparation for my
new house. I try to organize a "betwixt" night so now and then, but that
is hardly enough time to get a new release out the door.
Robert is probably busy (or on a holiday?) and James has moved on to
other projects.
So currently betwixt is a bit asleep and wakes up so know and then when
I can schedule a betwixt night.
Mvgr,
Martin
On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 19:55, Tim O'Brien wrote:
> Betwixt is a very useful component, and a number of people would like to
> start using it in production systems.
>
> Could someone give a quick update as to why Betwixt is still at a 1.0
> alpha? and, also provide a timeline for a 1.0 release.
>
> Tim
>
>
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