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Trying to understand the level of activity in Xalan community

Hi!

one question that got discussed at the ASF board meeting
last month is that while Xalan user community still shows
interest in the project, the PMC activity seems to be somewhat
lacking.

As you probably are aware every ASF project requires at least
3 active PMC members in order to be considered active. My
cursory review of mailing list and JIRA activity shows that out
of the current 7 PMC members:
   dbertoni David N Bertoni
   gareth Gareth Reakes
   ggregory Gary D. Gregory
   mrglavas Michael Glavassevich
   sanjiva Sanjiva Weerawarana
   shathaway Steven J. Hathaway
   twilliams Tim Williams
only a few (AKA less than 3 ;-)) show some level of activity.

If my analysis is wrong -- please let me know (by identifying
yourself as an active PMC member). If not -- I'd love
to see if there's enough interest in user community to keep
PMC active.

Please let me know either way.

Thanks,
Roman.

Re: Trying to understand the level of activity in Xalan community

Posted by Mukul Gandhi <ga...@gmail.com>.
Hi Joseph,
    I think, Websphere is a great technology and product suite, and
bundling XSLT 2.0 / XQuery / XPath 2.0 processors (and other things you
mentioned) with it was an innovative idea from IBM.

But I think, IBM should release its XSLT 2.0 / XQuery / XPath 2.0
processors & APIs outside Websphere as well. Following are my naive
preferences about the possible distribution policy by IBM of the mentioned
processors:

1) Freely available mentioned processors, in non-schema aware mode.
2) Make available the schema aware processors at a small charge (USD '20 -
50' per individual license). One such license, should include all of XSLT
2.0 / XQuery / XPath 2.0 processors & APIs.

I'm sure implementing 1) & 2) will have many takers.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 7:40 PM Joseph Kesselman <ke...@us.ibm.com> wrote:

> I've been away from Xalan -- and from XSLT, and from XML for the most part
> -- for a decade now. And I'm slightly hamstrung by having been involved
> in IBM's subsequent XPath/XSLT/XQuery compiler, XTQHP, which was only
> shipped with Websphere and which few folks ever knew existed; that used a
> different architecture and I'm not sure how much of what we did could or
> couldn't be shared at this point.
>
> And of course, there's the question of finding time. The days of IBM
> paying us to contribute to this Apache project are, alas, long past; our
> contribution helped get XML bootstrapped, but now that it's sorta
> self-sustaining there's less interest in helping push it forward. So if I
> did it, I'd have to do it on personal time -- and I've already got too much
> queued up.
>
> Not that half the industry is now running after JSON and (ugh) YAML and
> the like, so there's a bit less energy/enthusiasm for XML. In fact, many of
> the XML concepts could be trivially reapplied to those just by replacing
> parser and serializer and mapping between parsed entities and
> macros/imports ... but that seems to have been happening on an ad-hoc,
> one-off basis rather than the kind of integration we were getting from the
> XML effort.
>
> So... I'd be glad to see it happen, I might be able to make some time to
> support the effort, but right now I don't think I can offer to help lead.
>
> ______________________________________
> "Your data is important to us. Please stay on the port, and your
> connection will be accepted by the next available thread."




-- 
Regards,
Mukul Gandhi

Re: Trying to understand the level of activity in Xalan community

Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>.
Michael, Gary, thanks for your replies -- it seems we've got at least
2 active PMC members on the project.

We still need the 3d one however ;-)

I'm also curious what Steven Hathaway is up to, since he's listed as a
current chair and hopefully he's still OK with those responsibilities.

Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:51 AM Michael Glavassevich <mr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There are at least a couple people who have shown an interest in contributing who in my opinion should probably be elected as committers and to the PMC. When the PMC got rebooted several years ago I think a lot of us were just enthusiasts for the project (e.g. I care because Xerces depends on Xalan's serializer) who weren't going to be very active from a development perspective, but would help bring new people on who wanted to contribute to Xalan.
>
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Roman,
>>
>> Gary Gregory here, PMC member.
>>
>> Your analysis is spot on, there is very little activity on the project.
>>
>> A few years back, I RM'd release 2.7.2 which was a semi obscure exercise as no one was or is around to answer questions as to what branch means what and details about the build.
>>
>> There are pending patches and some interest to see these through, and I would not mind keeping on pushing on. BUT...
>>
>> Stepping back, it is not clean to me how far the Oracle JRE has diverged from Xalan or how relevant Xalan is now compared to the Oracle JRE and Saxon (http://saxon.sourceforge.net/).
>>
>> It seems Xalan has fallen quite far behind Saxon for example.
>>
>> I could see that releasing a 2.7.3 with a bug fixes would help folks.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:59 AM Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> one question that got discussed at the ASF board meeting
>>> last month is that while Xalan user community still shows
>>> interest in the project, the PMC activity seems to be somewhat
>>> lacking.
>>>
>>> As you probably are aware every ASF project requires at least
>>> 3 active PMC members in order to be considered active. My
>>> cursory review of mailing list and JIRA activity shows that out
>>> of the current 7 PMC members:
>>>    dbertoni David N Bertoni
>>>    gareth Gareth Reakes
>>>    ggregory Gary D. Gregory
>>>    mrglavas Michael Glavassevich
>>>    sanjiva Sanjiva Weerawarana
>>>    shathaway Steven J. Hathaway
>>>    twilliams Tim Williams
>>> only a few (AKA less than 3 ;-)) show some level of activity.
>>>
>>> If my analysis is wrong -- please let me know (by identifying
>>> yourself as an active PMC member). If not -- I'd love
>>> to see if there's enough interest in user community to keep
>>> PMC active.
>>>
>>> Please let me know either way.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roman.

Re: Trying to understand the level of activity in Xalan community

Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>.
Michael, Gary, thanks for your replies -- it seems we've got at least
2 active PMC members on the project.

We still need the 3d one however ;-)

I'm also curious what Steven Hathaway is up to, since he's listed as a
current chair and hopefully he's still OK with those responsibilities.

Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:51 AM Michael Glavassevich <mr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There are at least a couple people who have shown an interest in contributing who in my opinion should probably be elected as committers and to the PMC. When the PMC got rebooted several years ago I think a lot of us were just enthusiasts for the project (e.g. I care because Xerces depends on Xalan's serializer) who weren't going to be very active from a development perspective, but would help bring new people on who wanted to contribute to Xalan.
>
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Roman,
>>
>> Gary Gregory here, PMC member.
>>
>> Your analysis is spot on, there is very little activity on the project.
>>
>> A few years back, I RM'd release 2.7.2 which was a semi obscure exercise as no one was or is around to answer questions as to what branch means what and details about the build.
>>
>> There are pending patches and some interest to see these through, and I would not mind keeping on pushing on. BUT...
>>
>> Stepping back, it is not clean to me how far the Oracle JRE has diverged from Xalan or how relevant Xalan is now compared to the Oracle JRE and Saxon (http://saxon.sourceforge.net/).
>>
>> It seems Xalan has fallen quite far behind Saxon for example.
>>
>> I could see that releasing a 2.7.3 with a bug fixes would help folks.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:59 AM Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> one question that got discussed at the ASF board meeting
>>> last month is that while Xalan user community still shows
>>> interest in the project, the PMC activity seems to be somewhat
>>> lacking.
>>>
>>> As you probably are aware every ASF project requires at least
>>> 3 active PMC members in order to be considered active. My
>>> cursory review of mailing list and JIRA activity shows that out
>>> of the current 7 PMC members:
>>>    dbertoni David N Bertoni
>>>    gareth Gareth Reakes
>>>    ggregory Gary D. Gregory
>>>    mrglavas Michael Glavassevich
>>>    sanjiva Sanjiva Weerawarana
>>>    shathaway Steven J. Hathaway
>>>    twilliams Tim Williams
>>> only a few (AKA less than 3 ;-)) show some level of activity.
>>>
>>> If my analysis is wrong -- please let me know (by identifying
>>> yourself as an active PMC member). If not -- I'd love
>>> to see if there's enough interest in user community to keep
>>> PMC active.
>>>
>>> Please let me know either way.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roman.

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Re: Trying to understand the level of activity in Xalan community

Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>.
Michael, Gary, thanks for your replies -- it seems we've got at least
2 active PMC members on the project.

We still need the 3d one however ;-)

I'm also curious what Steven Hathaway is up to, since he's listed as a
current chair and hopefully he's still OK with those responsibilities.

Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:51 AM Michael Glavassevich <mr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There are at least a couple people who have shown an interest in contributing who in my opinion should probably be elected as committers and to the PMC. When the PMC got rebooted several years ago I think a lot of us were just enthusiasts for the project (e.g. I care because Xerces depends on Xalan's serializer) who weren't going to be very active from a development perspective, but would help bring new people on who wanted to contribute to Xalan.
>
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Roman,
>>
>> Gary Gregory here, PMC member.
>>
>> Your analysis is spot on, there is very little activity on the project.
>>
>> A few years back, I RM'd release 2.7.2 which was a semi obscure exercise as no one was or is around to answer questions as to what branch means what and details about the build.
>>
>> There are pending patches and some interest to see these through, and I would not mind keeping on pushing on. BUT...
>>
>> Stepping back, it is not clean to me how far the Oracle JRE has diverged from Xalan or how relevant Xalan is now compared to the Oracle JRE and Saxon (http://saxon.sourceforge.net/).
>>
>> It seems Xalan has fallen quite far behind Saxon for example.
>>
>> I could see that releasing a 2.7.3 with a bug fixes would help folks.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:59 AM Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> one question that got discussed at the ASF board meeting
>>> last month is that while Xalan user community still shows
>>> interest in the project, the PMC activity seems to be somewhat
>>> lacking.
>>>
>>> As you probably are aware every ASF project requires at least
>>> 3 active PMC members in order to be considered active. My
>>> cursory review of mailing list and JIRA activity shows that out
>>> of the current 7 PMC members:
>>>    dbertoni David N Bertoni
>>>    gareth Gareth Reakes
>>>    ggregory Gary D. Gregory
>>>    mrglavas Michael Glavassevich
>>>    sanjiva Sanjiva Weerawarana
>>>    shathaway Steven J. Hathaway
>>>    twilliams Tim Williams
>>> only a few (AKA less than 3 ;-)) show some level of activity.
>>>
>>> If my analysis is wrong -- please let me know (by identifying
>>> yourself as an active PMC member). If not -- I'd love
>>> to see if there's enough interest in user community to keep
>>> PMC active.
>>>
>>> Please let me know either way.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roman.

Re: Trying to understand the level of activity in Xalan community

Posted by Michael Glavassevich <mr...@gmail.com>.
There are at least a couple people who have shown an interest in
contributing who in my opinion should probably be elected as committers and
to the PMC. When the PMC got rebooted several years ago I think a lot of us
were just enthusiasts for the project (e.g. I care because Xerces depends
on Xalan's serializer) who weren't going to be very active from a
development perspective, but would help bring new people on who wanted to
contribute to Xalan.

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Roman,
>
> Gary Gregory here, PMC member.
>
> Your analysis is spot on, there is very little activity on the project.
>
> A few years back, I RM'd release 2.7.2 which was a semi obscure exercise
> as no one was or is around to answer questions as to what branch means what
> and details about the build.
>
> There are pending patches and some interest to see these through, and I
> would not mind keeping on pushing on. BUT...
>
> Stepping back, it is not clean to me how far the Oracle JRE has diverged
> from Xalan or how relevant Xalan is now compared to the Oracle JRE and
> Saxon (http://saxon.sourceforge.net/).
>
> It seems Xalan has fallen quite far behind Saxon for example.
>
> I could see that releasing a 2.7.3 with a bug fixes would help folks.
>
> Gary
>
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:59 AM Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> one question that got discussed at the ASF board meeting
>> last month is that while Xalan user community still shows
>> interest in the project, the PMC activity seems to be somewhat
>> lacking.
>>
>> As you probably are aware every ASF project requires at least
>> 3 active PMC members in order to be considered active. My
>> cursory review of mailing list and JIRA activity shows that out
>> of the current 7 PMC members:
>>    dbertoni David N Bertoni
>>    gareth Gareth Reakes
>>    ggregory Gary D. Gregory
>>    mrglavas Michael Glavassevich
>>    sanjiva Sanjiva Weerawarana
>>    shathaway Steven J. Hathaway
>>    twilliams Tim Williams
>> only a few (AKA less than 3 ;-)) show some level of activity.
>>
>> If my analysis is wrong -- please let me know (by identifying
>> yourself as an active PMC member). If not -- I'd love
>> to see if there's enough interest in user community to keep
>> PMC active.
>>
>> Please let me know either way.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
>>
>

Re: Trying to understand the level of activity in Xalan community

Posted by Mukul Gandhi <ga...@gmail.com>.
I'm in support for Xalan (I'm personally referring to XalanJ) being active
at Apache these days, even enhancing its XSLT 1.0 support (bug fixes etc).
I think, XSLT 1.0 is still very important, as browsers natively support
only XSLT 1.0. There are numerous practical uses possible, that still would
not require XSLT 2.0 / 3.0 like schema aware support.

As Gary wrote, JRE also includes XSLT 1.0 processor derived from Xalan.

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 9:49 PM Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Roman,
>
> Gary Gregory here, PMC member.
>
> Your analysis is spot on, there is very little activity on the project.
>
> A few years back, I RM'd release 2.7.2 which was a semi obscure exercise
> as no one was or is around to answer questions as to what branch means what
> and details about the build.
>
> There are pending patches and some interest to see these through, and I
> would not mind keeping on pushing on. BUT...
>
> Stepping back, it is not clean to me how far the Oracle JRE has diverged
> from Xalan or how relevant Xalan is now compared to the Oracle JRE and
> Saxon (http://saxon.sourceforge.net/).
>
> It seems Xalan has fallen quite far behind Saxon for example.
>
> I could see that releasing a 2.7.3 with a bug fixes would help folks.
>
> Gary
>



-- 
Regards,
Mukul Gandhi

Re: Trying to understand the level of activity in Xalan community

Posted by Michael Glavassevich <mr...@gmail.com>.
There are at least a couple people who have shown an interest in
contributing who in my opinion should probably be elected as committers and
to the PMC. When the PMC got rebooted several years ago I think a lot of us
were just enthusiasts for the project (e.g. I care because Xerces depends
on Xalan's serializer) who weren't going to be very active from a
development perspective, but would help bring new people on who wanted to
contribute to Xalan.

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Roman,
>
> Gary Gregory here, PMC member.
>
> Your analysis is spot on, there is very little activity on the project.
>
> A few years back, I RM'd release 2.7.2 which was a semi obscure exercise
> as no one was or is around to answer questions as to what branch means what
> and details about the build.
>
> There are pending patches and some interest to see these through, and I
> would not mind keeping on pushing on. BUT...
>
> Stepping back, it is not clean to me how far the Oracle JRE has diverged
> from Xalan or how relevant Xalan is now compared to the Oracle JRE and
> Saxon (http://saxon.sourceforge.net/).
>
> It seems Xalan has fallen quite far behind Saxon for example.
>
> I could see that releasing a 2.7.3 with a bug fixes would help folks.
>
> Gary
>
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:59 AM Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> one question that got discussed at the ASF board meeting
>> last month is that while Xalan user community still shows
>> interest in the project, the PMC activity seems to be somewhat
>> lacking.
>>
>> As you probably are aware every ASF project requires at least
>> 3 active PMC members in order to be considered active. My
>> cursory review of mailing list and JIRA activity shows that out
>> of the current 7 PMC members:
>>    dbertoni David N Bertoni
>>    gareth Gareth Reakes
>>    ggregory Gary D. Gregory
>>    mrglavas Michael Glavassevich
>>    sanjiva Sanjiva Weerawarana
>>    shathaway Steven J. Hathaway
>>    twilliams Tim Williams
>> only a few (AKA less than 3 ;-)) show some level of activity.
>>
>> If my analysis is wrong -- please let me know (by identifying
>> yourself as an active PMC member). If not -- I'd love
>> to see if there's enough interest in user community to keep
>> PMC active.
>>
>> Please let me know either way.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
>>
>

Re: Trying to understand the level of activity in Xalan community

Posted by Michael Glavassevich <mr...@gmail.com>.
There are at least a couple people who have shown an interest in
contributing who in my opinion should probably be elected as committers and
to the PMC. When the PMC got rebooted several years ago I think a lot of us
were just enthusiasts for the project (e.g. I care because Xerces depends
on Xalan's serializer) who weren't going to be very active from a
development perspective, but would help bring new people on who wanted to
contribute to Xalan.

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Roman,
>
> Gary Gregory here, PMC member.
>
> Your analysis is spot on, there is very little activity on the project.
>
> A few years back, I RM'd release 2.7.2 which was a semi obscure exercise
> as no one was or is around to answer questions as to what branch means what
> and details about the build.
>
> There are pending patches and some interest to see these through, and I
> would not mind keeping on pushing on. BUT...
>
> Stepping back, it is not clean to me how far the Oracle JRE has diverged
> from Xalan or how relevant Xalan is now compared to the Oracle JRE and
> Saxon (http://saxon.sourceforge.net/).
>
> It seems Xalan has fallen quite far behind Saxon for example.
>
> I could see that releasing a 2.7.3 with a bug fixes would help folks.
>
> Gary
>
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:59 AM Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> one question that got discussed at the ASF board meeting
>> last month is that while Xalan user community still shows
>> interest in the project, the PMC activity seems to be somewhat
>> lacking.
>>
>> As you probably are aware every ASF project requires at least
>> 3 active PMC members in order to be considered active. My
>> cursory review of mailing list and JIRA activity shows that out
>> of the current 7 PMC members:
>>    dbertoni David N Bertoni
>>    gareth Gareth Reakes
>>    ggregory Gary D. Gregory
>>    mrglavas Michael Glavassevich
>>    sanjiva Sanjiva Weerawarana
>>    shathaway Steven J. Hathaway
>>    twilliams Tim Williams
>> only a few (AKA less than 3 ;-)) show some level of activity.
>>
>> If my analysis is wrong -- please let me know (by identifying
>> yourself as an active PMC member). If not -- I'd love
>> to see if there's enough interest in user community to keep
>> PMC active.
>>
>> Please let me know either way.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
>>
>

Re: Trying to understand the level of activity in Xalan community

Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
Roman,

Gary Gregory here, PMC member.

Your analysis is spot on, there is very little activity on the project.

A few years back, I RM'd release 2.7.2 which was a semi obscure exercise as
no one was or is around to answer questions as to what branch means what
and details about the build.

There are pending patches and some interest to see these through, and I
would not mind keeping on pushing on. BUT...

Stepping back, it is not clean to me how far the Oracle JRE has diverged
from Xalan or how relevant Xalan is now compared to the Oracle JRE and
Saxon (http://saxon.sourceforge.net/).

It seems Xalan has fallen quite far behind Saxon for example.

I could see that releasing a 2.7.3 with a bug fixes would help folks.

Gary

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:59 AM Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> one question that got discussed at the ASF board meeting
> last month is that while Xalan user community still shows
> interest in the project, the PMC activity seems to be somewhat
> lacking.
>
> As you probably are aware every ASF project requires at least
> 3 active PMC members in order to be considered active. My
> cursory review of mailing list and JIRA activity shows that out
> of the current 7 PMC members:
>    dbertoni David N Bertoni
>    gareth Gareth Reakes
>    ggregory Gary D. Gregory
>    mrglavas Michael Glavassevich
>    sanjiva Sanjiva Weerawarana
>    shathaway Steven J. Hathaway
>    twilliams Tim Williams
> only a few (AKA less than 3 ;-)) show some level of activity.
>
> If my analysis is wrong -- please let me know (by identifying
> yourself as an active PMC member). If not -- I'd love
> to see if there's enough interest in user community to keep
> PMC active.
>
> Please let me know either way.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>

Re: Trying to understand the level of activity in Xalan community

Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
Roman,

Gary Gregory here, PMC member.

Your analysis is spot on, there is very little activity on the project.

A few years back, I RM'd release 2.7.2 which was a semi obscure exercise as
no one was or is around to answer questions as to what branch means what
and details about the build.

There are pending patches and some interest to see these through, and I
would not mind keeping on pushing on. BUT...

Stepping back, it is not clean to me how far the Oracle JRE has diverged
from Xalan or how relevant Xalan is now compared to the Oracle JRE and
Saxon (http://saxon.sourceforge.net/).

It seems Xalan has fallen quite far behind Saxon for example.

I could see that releasing a 2.7.3 with a bug fixes would help folks.

Gary

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:59 AM Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> one question that got discussed at the ASF board meeting
> last month is that while Xalan user community still shows
> interest in the project, the PMC activity seems to be somewhat
> lacking.
>
> As you probably are aware every ASF project requires at least
> 3 active PMC members in order to be considered active. My
> cursory review of mailing list and JIRA activity shows that out
> of the current 7 PMC members:
>    dbertoni David N Bertoni
>    gareth Gareth Reakes
>    ggregory Gary D. Gregory
>    mrglavas Michael Glavassevich
>    sanjiva Sanjiva Weerawarana
>    shathaway Steven J. Hathaway
>    twilliams Tim Williams
> only a few (AKA less than 3 ;-)) show some level of activity.
>
> If my analysis is wrong -- please let me know (by identifying
> yourself as an active PMC member). If not -- I'd love
> to see if there's enough interest in user community to keep
> PMC active.
>
> Please let me know either way.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>

Re: Trying to understand the level of activity in Xalan community

Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
Roman,

Gary Gregory here, PMC member.

Your analysis is spot on, there is very little activity on the project.

A few years back, I RM'd release 2.7.2 which was a semi obscure exercise as
no one was or is around to answer questions as to what branch means what
and details about the build.

There are pending patches and some interest to see these through, and I
would not mind keeping on pushing on. BUT...

Stepping back, it is not clean to me how far the Oracle JRE has diverged
from Xalan or how relevant Xalan is now compared to the Oracle JRE and
Saxon (http://saxon.sourceforge.net/).

It seems Xalan has fallen quite far behind Saxon for example.

I could see that releasing a 2.7.3 with a bug fixes would help folks.

Gary

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:59 AM Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> one question that got discussed at the ASF board meeting
> last month is that while Xalan user community still shows
> interest in the project, the PMC activity seems to be somewhat
> lacking.
>
> As you probably are aware every ASF project requires at least
> 3 active PMC members in order to be considered active. My
> cursory review of mailing list and JIRA activity shows that out
> of the current 7 PMC members:
>    dbertoni David N Bertoni
>    gareth Gareth Reakes
>    ggregory Gary D. Gregory
>    mrglavas Michael Glavassevich
>    sanjiva Sanjiva Weerawarana
>    shathaway Steven J. Hathaway
>    twilliams Tim Williams
> only a few (AKA less than 3 ;-)) show some level of activity.
>
> If my analysis is wrong -- please let me know (by identifying
> yourself as an active PMC member). If not -- I'd love
> to see if there's enough interest in user community to keep
> PMC active.
>
> Please let me know either way.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>