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wicket on java server

Hey guys,

I got a (weird) question: a project requires us to write our own server. But I am eager to use wicket. Now what I dun know is, how to make wicket work on our self written server. What needs to be done, that it works? Yeah, maybe I dunno enough about servers, but some hints would be highly appreciated!

Thnx in advance.
- dg

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Re: AW: wicket on java server

Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
Well, for what you're going to spend to build it, you could buy one of the
"big dog" application servers.  That way, if you get hacked, you have
someone to complain to.  However, you'll find that a lot of those bigger
guys are based on open source technologies, such as tomcat or jetty.

On Jun 10, 2009 8:55 AM, "nino martinez wael" <ni...@gmail.com>
wrote:

In some sense it gives reason.. If you use something thats not
mainstream then the chance to get hacked are less. How development
cost must be high.

2009/6/10 Dorothée Giernoth <Do...@kds-kg.de>:

> No, worse, my boss :( he doesn't think tomcat is safe enough and doesn't
know how tomcat works and...

Re: AW: wicket on java server

Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
That'll be the first... a home built server being more secure than
tomcat, which has been around for ~6 years, and is in use by millions
of people? I thought we already were already past the idea that
security through obscurity is considered safe... It's not.

Martijn

2009/6/10 Dorothée Giernoth <Do...@kds-kg.de>:
> No, worse, my boss :( he doesn't think tomcat is safe enough and doesn't know how tomcat works and what's going on behind the scenes ... and we can't have that!!!! I bet he won't let me use wicket ... b/c it's not safe enough either *shakes head* weirdo!!!! Paranoid? I bet ...
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: James Carman [mailto:james@carmanconsulting.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 14:44
> An: users@wicket.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: wicket on java server
>
> Sounds like a very strange request.  Government?
>
> On Jun 10, 2009 8:37 AM, "Dorothée Giernoth" <Do...@kds-kg.de>
> wrote:
>
> It is not my choice ... I just have to make it work, so I thought there are
> certain specifications that would make it work.
>
>
>
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> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 11:45
>
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Re: AW: wicket on java server

Posted by nino martinez wael <ni...@gmail.com>.
thats however development cost must be high (thats star high, not sky
high), since you have to implement all things your own way. But then
why use wicket? You could just do your own thing there too...

2009/6/10 nino martinez wael <ni...@gmail.com>:
> In some sense it gives reason.. If you use something thats not
> mainstream then the chance to get hacked are less. How development
> cost must be high.
>
> 2009/6/10 Dorothée Giernoth <Do...@kds-kg.de>:
>> No, worse, my boss :( he doesn't think tomcat is safe enough and doesn't know how tomcat works and what's going on behind the scenes ... and we can't have that!!!! I bet he won't let me use wicket ... b/c it's not safe enough either *shakes head* weirdo!!!! Paranoid? I bet ...
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: James Carman [mailto:james@carmanconsulting.com]
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 14:44
>> An: users@wicket.apache.org
>> Betreff: Re: AW: wicket on java server
>>
>> Sounds like a very strange request.  Government?
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2009 8:37 AM, "Dorothée Giernoth" <Do...@kds-kg.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>> It is not my choice ... I just have to make it work, so I thought there are
>> certain specifications that would make it work.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Martijn Dashorst [mailto:martijn.dashorst@gmail.com]
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 11:45
>>
>> An: users@wicket.apache.org Betreff: Re: wicket on java server Instead of
>> writing your own server, ...
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Re: AW: wicket on java server

Posted by nino martinez wael <ni...@gmail.com>.
In some sense it gives reason.. If you use something thats not
mainstream then the chance to get hacked are less. How development
cost must be high.

2009/6/10 Dorothée Giernoth <Do...@kds-kg.de>:
> No, worse, my boss :( he doesn't think tomcat is safe enough and doesn't know how tomcat works and what's going on behind the scenes ... and we can't have that!!!! I bet he won't let me use wicket ... b/c it's not safe enough either *shakes head* weirdo!!!! Paranoid? I bet ...
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: James Carman [mailto:james@carmanconsulting.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 14:44
> An: users@wicket.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: wicket on java server
>
> Sounds like a very strange request.  Government?
>
> On Jun 10, 2009 8:37 AM, "Dorothée Giernoth" <Do...@kds-kg.de>
> wrote:
>
> It is not my choice ... I just have to make it work, so I thought there are
> certain specifications that would make it work.
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Martijn Dashorst [mailto:martijn.dashorst@gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 11:45
>
> An: users@wicket.apache.org Betreff: Re: wicket on java server Instead of
> writing your own server, ...
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Re: AW: wicket on java server

Posted by Jeremy Thomerson <je...@wickettraining.com>.
Unless you really enjoy rewriting things that have already been very
well written, consider finding employment doing something enjoyable.
Yeah, it's a weak market right now, but it seems unlikely that this
job is really what you are looking for.  Or, perhaps we are
underestimating your boss' reasonableness - try to explain to him why
this is an unreasonable request.

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2009/6/10 Dorothée Giernoth <Do...@kds-kg.de>:
> No, worse, my boss :( he doesn't think tomcat is safe enough and doesn't know how tomcat works and what's going on behind the scenes ... and we can't have that!!!! I bet he won't let me use wicket ... b/c it's not safe enough either *shakes head* weirdo!!!! Paranoid? I bet ...
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: James Carman [mailto:james@carmanconsulting.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 14:44
> An: users@wicket.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: wicket on java server
>
> Sounds like a very strange request.  Government?
>
> On Jun 10, 2009 8:37 AM, "Dorothée Giernoth" <Do...@kds-kg.de>
> wrote:
>
> It is not my choice ... I just have to make it work, so I thought there are
> certain specifications that would make it work.
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Martijn Dashorst [mailto:martijn.dashorst@gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 11:45
>
> An: users@wicket.apache.org Betreff: Re: wicket on java server Instead of
> writing your own server, ...
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Re: AW: AW: wicket on java server

Posted by nino martinez wael <ni...@gmail.com>.
In my surprisement on the topic I forgot to answer the question..

I guess it really depends on what kind of servlet spec your java
server are living up to.. 2.3 or 2.4 should work, but I dont know much
about what wicket requires...

2009/6/11 Dorothée Giernoth <Do...@kds-kg.de>:
> Thnx guys, I will look into this ... I'll also see whether jetty would work. Hopefully I can avoid it that we re-invent the wheel ... or maybe not *g*
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Luther Baker [mailto:lutherbaker@gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Juni 2009 07:11
> An: users@wicket.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: wicket on java server
>
> If you're actually serious ... this might get you started - either way.
>
> How Tomcat Works: A Guide to Developing Your Own Java Servlet Container
>
>   - http://my.safaribooksonline.com/097521280X
>
>
> -Luther
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Sam Stainsby <
> sam@sustainablesoftware.com.au> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:56:59 +0200, Dorothée Giernoth wrote:
>>
>> > No, worse, my boss :( he doesn't think tomcat is safe enough and doesn't
>> > know how tomcat works and what's going on behind the scenes ... and we
>> > can't have that!!!! I bet he won't let me use wicket ... b/c it's not
>> > safe enough either *shakes head* weirdo!!!! Paranoid? I bet ...
>>
>> Maybe just use Jetty if that suits. Simpler and certainly extremely easy
>> to set up and test with maven. We do this for one client for an app that
>> is only used by a handful of people.
>>
>>
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> Maybe just use Jetty if that suits. Simpler and certainly extremely easy to set up and test with maven. We do this for one client for an app that is only used by a handful of people.
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AW: AW: AW: wicket on java server

Posted by Dorothée Giernoth <Do...@kds-kg.de>.
Thnx guys, I will look into this ... I'll also see whether jetty would work. Hopefully I can avoid it that we re-invent the wheel ... or maybe not *g*


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Luther Baker [mailto:lutherbaker@gmail.com] 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Juni 2009 07:11
An: users@wicket.apache.org
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: wicket on java server

If you're actually serious ... this might get you started - either way.

How Tomcat Works: A Guide to Developing Your Own Java Servlet Container

   - http://my.safaribooksonline.com/097521280X


-Luther



On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Sam Stainsby <
sam@sustainablesoftware.com.au> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:56:59 +0200, Dorothée Giernoth wrote:
>
> > No, worse, my boss :( he doesn't think tomcat is safe enough and doesn't
> > know how tomcat works and what's going on behind the scenes ... and we
> > can't have that!!!! I bet he won't let me use wicket ... b/c it's not
> > safe enough either *shakes head* weirdo!!!! Paranoid? I bet ...
>
> Maybe just use Jetty if that suits. Simpler and certainly extremely easy
> to set up and test with maven. We do this for one client for an app that
> is only used by a handful of people.
>
>
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Maybe just use Jetty if that suits. Simpler and certainly extremely easy to set up and test with maven. We do this for one client for an app that is only used by a handful of people.

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Re: AW: AW: wicket on java server

Posted by Luther Baker <lu...@gmail.com>.
If you're actually serious ... this might get you started - either way.

How Tomcat Works: A Guide to Developing Your Own Java Servlet Container

   - http://my.safaribooksonline.com/097521280X


-Luther



On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Sam Stainsby <
sam@sustainablesoftware.com.au> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:56:59 +0200, Dorothée Giernoth wrote:
>
> > No, worse, my boss :( he doesn't think tomcat is safe enough and doesn't
> > know how tomcat works and what's going on behind the scenes ... and we
> > can't have that!!!! I bet he won't let me use wicket ... b/c it's not
> > safe enough either *shakes head* weirdo!!!! Paranoid? I bet ...
>
> Maybe just use Jetty if that suits. Simpler and certainly extremely easy
> to set up and test with maven. We do this for one client for an app that
> is only used by a handful of people.
>
>
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Re: AW: AW: wicket on java server

Posted by Sam Stainsby <sa...@sustainablesoftware.com.au>.

On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:56:59 +0200, Dorothée Giernoth wrote:

> No, worse, my boss :( he doesn't think tomcat is safe enough and doesn't
> know how tomcat works and what's going on behind the scenes ... and we
> can't have that!!!! I bet he won't let me use wicket ... b/c it's not
> safe enough either *shakes head* weirdo!!!! Paranoid? I bet ...

Maybe just use Jetty if that suits. Simpler and certainly extremely easy 
to set up and test with maven. We do this for one client for an app that 
is only used by a handful of people.


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AW: AW: wicket on java server

Posted by Dorothée Giernoth <Do...@kds-kg.de>.
No, worse, my boss :( he doesn't think tomcat is safe enough and doesn't know how tomcat works and what's going on behind the scenes ... and we can't have that!!!! I bet he won't let me use wicket ... b/c it's not safe enough either *shakes head* weirdo!!!! Paranoid? I bet ... 
 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: James Carman [mailto:james@carmanconsulting.com] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 14:44
An: users@wicket.apache.org
Betreff: Re: AW: wicket on java server

Sounds like a very strange request.  Government?

On Jun 10, 2009 8:37 AM, "Dorothée Giernoth" <Do...@kds-kg.de>
wrote:

It is not my choice ... I just have to make it work, so I thought there are
certain specifications that would make it work.



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Martijn Dashorst [mailto:martijn.dashorst@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 11:45

An: users@wicket.apache.org Betreff: Re: wicket on java server Instead of
writing your own server, ...

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Re: AW: wicket on java server

Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
Sounds like a very strange request.  Government?

On Jun 10, 2009 8:37 AM, "Dorothée Giernoth" <Do...@kds-kg.de>
wrote:

It is not my choice ... I just have to make it work, so I thought there are
certain specifications that would make it work.



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Martijn Dashorst [mailto:martijn.dashorst@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 11:45

An: users@wicket.apache.org Betreff: Re: wicket on java server Instead of
writing your own server, ...

AW: wicket on java server

Posted by Dorothée Giernoth <Do...@kds-kg.de>.
It is not my choice ... I just have to make it work, so I thought there are certain specifications that would make it work.
 


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Martijn Dashorst [mailto:martijn.dashorst@gmail.com] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 11:45
An: users@wicket.apache.org
Betreff: Re: wicket on java server

Instead of writing your own server, take a look at either:
 - embedding jetty or tomcat
 - using osgi as a server platform (spring has an offering, or you
could roll your own and use any of the servlet bundles that are
available)

Martijn

2009/6/10 Dorothée Giernoth <Do...@kds-kg.de>:
> Now that helped. Thnx.
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Marat Radchenko [mailto:slonopotamusorama@gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 11:24
> An: users@wicket.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: wicket on java server
>
> Projects can't require anything. It's people :)
>
> Wicket runs on anything that supports Servlet specification.
>
> 2009/6/10 Dorothée Giernoth <Do...@kds-kg.de>
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> I got a (weird) question: a project requires us to write our own server.
>> But I am eager to use wicket. Now what I dun know is, how to make wicket
>> work on our self written server. What needs to be done, that it works? Yeah,
>> maybe I dunno enough about servers, but some hints would be highly
>> appreciated!
>>
>> Thnx in advance.
>> - dg
>>
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Re: wicket on java server

Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
Instead of writing your own server, take a look at either:
 - embedding jetty or tomcat
 - using osgi as a server platform (spring has an offering, or you
could roll your own and use any of the servlet bundles that are
available)

Martijn

2009/6/10 Dorothée Giernoth <Do...@kds-kg.de>:
> Now that helped. Thnx.
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Marat Radchenko [mailto:slonopotamusorama@gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 11:24
> An: users@wicket.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: wicket on java server
>
> Projects can't require anything. It's people :)
>
> Wicket runs on anything that supports Servlet specification.
>
> 2009/6/10 Dorothée Giernoth <Do...@kds-kg.de>
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> I got a (weird) question: a project requires us to write our own server.
>> But I am eager to use wicket. Now what I dun know is, how to make wicket
>> work on our self written server. What needs to be done, that it works? Yeah,
>> maybe I dunno enough about servers, but some hints would be highly
>> appreciated!
>>
>> Thnx in advance.
>> - dg
>>
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Posted by Dorothée Giernoth <Do...@kds-kg.de>.
Now that helped. Thnx.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Marat Radchenko [mailto:slonopotamusorama@gmail.com] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 11:24
An: users@wicket.apache.org
Betreff: Re: wicket on java server

Projects can't require anything. It's people :)

Wicket runs on anything that supports Servlet specification.

2009/6/10 Dorothée Giernoth <Do...@kds-kg.de>

> Hey guys,
>
> I got a (weird) question: a project requires us to write our own server.
> But I am eager to use wicket. Now what I dun know is, how to make wicket
> work on our self written server. What needs to be done, that it works? Yeah,
> maybe I dunno enough about servers, but some hints would be highly
> appreciated!
>
> Thnx in advance.
> - dg
>
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Re: wicket on java server

Posted by Marat Radchenko <sl...@gmail.com>.
Projects can't require anything. It's people :)

Wicket runs on anything that supports Servlet specification.

2009/6/10 Dorothée Giernoth <Do...@kds-kg.de>

> Hey guys,
>
> I got a (weird) question: a project requires us to write our own server.
> But I am eager to use wicket. Now what I dun know is, how to make wicket
> work on our self written server. What needs to be done, that it works? Yeah,
> maybe I dunno enough about servers, but some hints would be highly
> appreciated!
>
> Thnx in advance.
> - dg
>
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