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Posted to users@activemq.apache.org by Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de> on 2023/04/04 07:56:52 UTC
Re: Cluster bridge and message order
Hi,
is there any news?
Oliver
On 3/28/23 10:28, Oliver Lins wrote:
> Hi Justin,
>
> thanks for the info. Pls take the time it needs to analyze.
>
> Oliver
>
> On 3/27/23 20:27, Justin Bertram wrote:
>> Not yet. I'm hoping to get to it at some point this week. I was out
>> of the
>> office last week.
>>
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 4:31 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> is there any news concerning this question?
>>>
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>> On 3/16/23 13:59, Oliver Lins wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I've attached an archive containing the test apps, logs and a readme
>>>> file.
>>>>
>>>> If you have any questions pls let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Oliver
>>>>
>>>> On 3/15/23 16:31, Justin Bertram wrote:
>>>>> I just need a way to reproduce what you're seeing so once you get
>>>>> your
>>>>> reproducer in order let me know. Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 9:36 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Justin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thank you for your fast reply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Would it be possible for you to work up a way to reproduce the
>>>>>> behavior you're seeing?
>>>>>> Yes, I can reproduce the behavior. I have simplified producer and
>>>>>> consumer Java code to reproduce.
>>>>>> The code is not yet the bare minimum necessary to work, but I can
>>>>>> change
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > If so, is the order-of-creation only essential per producer
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> Yes, the order is only essential per producer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let me know how I can assist you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Oliver
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/15/23 14:58, Justin Bertram wrote:
>>>>>>> Based on your description, attached configuration, and logs I don't
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>> anything wrong, per se. Would it be possible for you to work up a
>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>> reproduce the behavior you're seeing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you ever have more than 1 producer? If so, is the
>>>>>>> order-of-creation
>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> essential per producer or is it essential across all producers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 8:29 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we are using Artemis with the following setup:
>>>>>>>> - 2 independent broker instances (on 2 hosts)
>>>>>>>> - a cluster configuration to create a Core bridge between both
>>>>>>>> instances
>>>>>>>> (no failover, no HA)
>>>>>>>> - multiple JMS clients produce and consume AMQP messages using
>>>>>>>> topics
>>>>>>>> - the clients do a failover themself
>>>>>>>> - Artemis versions (2.21.0, 2.29.0-SNAPSHOT cloned on 08.03)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Every thing is working fine. Independent of the Artemis
>>>>>>>> instance the
>>>>>>>> producer or consumers are connected to they receive all messages
>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>> order of creation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To simulate a server failure we kill (-9) Artemis instance 1 and
>>>>>>>> restart
>>>>>>>> the instance again (~ 1/2 minute later).
>>>>>>>> - 1 producer connects to the restarted instance 1
>>>>>>>> - multiple consumers are (still) connected to instance 2
>>>>>>>> - 1 consumer connects to the restarted instance 1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The producer sends messages with a delay of 1 ms.
>>>>>>>> Now we see that
>>>>>>>> - the order of messages received by the consumer connected to
>>>>>>>> instance 1
>>>>>>>> frequently does not match the order the messages are created
>>>>>>>> - the order of messages received by consumers connected to
>>>>>>>> instance 2
>>>>>>>> matches the order the messages are created
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is essential for us that the messages arrive in the order of
>>>>>> creation.
>>>>>>>> Do you have any ideas what went wrong or we are doing wrong?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>> Oliver
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pls note: the attached files are used to reproduce what we saw in
>>>>>>>> production.
>>>>>>>> This test configuration uses 1 docker instance per Artemis
>>>>>>>> broker.
>>>>>>>> Both instances are running on the same host using
>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>> ports.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dipl.-Ing. FH der technischen Informatik
>>>>>> Tel.: +49 179 2911883
>>>>>> Email: olins@lins-it.de
>>>>>> Internet:
>>>>>> http://www.lins-it.de
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> --
>>> Dipl.-Ing. FH der technischen Informatik
>>> Tel.: +49 179 2911883
>>> Email: olins@lins-it.de
>>> Internet:
>>> http://www.lins-it.de
>>>
>>>
>
--
Dipl.-Ing. FH der technischen Informatik
Tel.: +49 179 2911883
Email: olins@lins-it.de
Internet:
http://www.lins-it.de
Re: Cluster bridge and message order
Posted by Clebert Suconic <cl...@gmail.com>.
Have you looked into message Groups? It seems messages connected to a
different consumer during failover and redelivery happened.
On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 5:32 PM Justin Bertram <jb...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hey, Oliver. I apologize for the delay on this. It fell off my radar as
> I've been concentrating on other tasks.
>
> For what it's worth, the community support [1] provided on the mailing list
> is, as the website says, provided for free on a volunteer basis. I would
> imagine that everybody on this list has a day job whose responsibilities
> include things other than providing community support. This is certainly
> true of me.
>
> I can't speak for anybody else in the community, but I hope to reproduce &
> investigate your issue soon. Of course, anybody is free to do the same. The
> community is one of the great things about Open Source. If you find your
> support needs really go beyond what the community can provide then you
> might consider one of the commercial options listed on the website [1].
>
> Hope that helps!
>
>
> Justin
>
> [1] https://activemq.apache.org/support
>
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 8:37 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de> wrote:
>
> > Hi Justin,
> >
> > this question is created about 4 weeks ago.
> >
> > I can imagine that reproducing the unexpected behavior might take some
> > time.
> > But does it really takes that long?
> >
> > Do you still think that the dev team will give a feedback?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Oliver
> >
> >
> > On 4/12/23 10:10, Oliver Lins wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > asking again, is there any news concerning this question?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Oliver
> > >
> > > On 4/4/23 09:56, Oliver Lins wrote:
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> is there any news?
> > >>
> > >> Oliver
> > >>
> > >> On 3/28/23 10:28, Oliver Lins wrote:
> > >>> Hi Justin,
> > >>>
> > >>> thanks for the info. Pls take the time it needs to analyze.
> > >>>
> > >>> Oliver
> > >>>
> > >>> On 3/27/23 20:27, Justin Bertram wrote:
> > >>>> Not yet. I'm hoping to get to it at some point this week. I was out
> > >>>> of the
> > >>>> office last week.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Justin
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 4:31 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de>
> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> is there any news concerning this question?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Oliver
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 3/16/23 13:59, Oliver Lins wrote:
> > >>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I've attached an archive containing the test apps, logs and a
> readme
> > >>>>>> file.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If you have any questions pls let me know.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thank you,
> > >>>>>> Oliver
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 3/15/23 16:31, Justin Bertram wrote:
> > >>>>>>> I just need a way to reproduce what you're seeing so once you
> > >>>>>>> get your
> > >>>>>>> reproducer in order let me know. Thanks!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Justin
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 9:36 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hi Justin,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> thank you for your fast reply.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> > Would it be possible for you to work up a way to reproduce
> > >>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>> behavior you're seeing?
> > >>>>>>>> Yes, I can reproduce the behavior. I have simplified producer
> and
> > >>>>>>>> consumer Java code to reproduce.
> > >>>>>>>> The code is not yet the bare minimum necessary to work, but I
> can
> > >>>>>>>> change
> > >>>>>>>> that.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> > If so, is the order-of-creation only essential per
> > >>>>>>>> producer [...]
> > >>>>>>>> Yes, the order is only essential per producer.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Please let me know how I can assist you.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thank you,
> > >>>>>>>> Oliver
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 3/15/23 14:58, Justin Bertram wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> Based on your description, attached configuration, and logs I
> > >>>>>>>>> don't
> > >>>>>>>>> see
> > >>>>>>>>> anything wrong, per se. Would it be possible for you to work
> up a
> > >>>>>>>>> way to
> > >>>>>>>>> reproduce the behavior you're seeing?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Do you ever have more than 1 producer? If so, is the
> > >>>>>>>>> order-of-creation
> > >>>>>>>> only
> > >>>>>>>>> essential per producer or is it essential across all producers?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Justin
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 8:29 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> we are using Artemis with the following setup:
> > >>>>>>>>>> - 2 independent broker instances (on 2 hosts)
> > >>>>>>>>>> - a cluster configuration to create a Core bridge between both
> > >>>>>>>>>> instances
> > >>>>>>>>>> (no failover, no HA)
> > >>>>>>>>>> - multiple JMS clients produce and consume AMQP messages
> > >>>>>>>>>> using topics
> > >>>>>>>>>> - the clients do a failover themself
> > >>>>>>>>>> - Artemis versions (2.21.0, 2.29.0-SNAPSHOT cloned on 08.03)
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Every thing is working fine. Independent of the Artemis
> > >>>>>>>>>> instance the
> > >>>>>>>>>> producer or consumers are connected to they receive all
> messages
> > >>>>>>>>>> in the
> > >>>>>>>>>> order of creation.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> To simulate a server failure we kill (-9) Artemis instance 1
> and
> > >>>>>>>>>> restart
> > >>>>>>>>>> the instance again (~ 1/2 minute later).
> > >>>>>>>>>> - 1 producer connects to the restarted instance 1
> > >>>>>>>>>> - multiple consumers are (still) connected to instance 2
> > >>>>>>>>>> - 1 consumer connects to the restarted instance 1
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> The producer sends messages with a delay of 1 ms.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Now we see that
> > >>>>>>>>>> - the order of messages received by the consumer connected to
> > >>>>>>>>>> instance 1
> > >>>>>>>>>> frequently does not match the order the messages are created
> > >>>>>>>>>> - the order of messages received by consumers connected to
> > >>>>>>>>>> instance 2
> > >>>>>>>>>> matches the order the messages are created
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> It is essential for us that the messages arrive in the order
> of
> > >>>>>>>> creation.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Do you have any ideas what went wrong or we are doing wrong?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
> > >>>>>>>>>> Oliver
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Pls note: the attached files are used to reproduce what we
> > >>>>>>>>>> saw in
> > >>>>>>>>>> production.
> > >>>>>>>>>> This test configuration uses 1 docker instance per
> > >>>>>>>>>> Artemis
> > >>>>>>>>>> broker.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Both instances are running on the same host using
> > >>>>>>>>>> different
> > >>>>>>>>>> ports.
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>> Dipl.-Ing. FH der technischen Informatik
> > >>>>>>>> Tel.: +49 179 2911883
> > >>>>>>>> Email: olins@lins-it.de
> > >>>>>>>> Internet:
> > >>>>>>>> http://www.lins-it.de
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Dipl.-Ing. FH der technischen Informatik
> > >>>>> Tel.: +49 179 2911883
> > >>>>> Email: olins@lins-it.de
> > >>>>> Internet:
> > >>>>> http://www.lins-it.de
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Dipl.-Ing. FH der technischen Informatik
> > Tel.: +49 179 2911883
> > Email: olins@lins-it.de
> > Internet:
> > http://www.lins-it.de
> >
> >
>
--
Clebert Suconic
Re: Cluster bridge and message order
Posted by Justin Bertram <jb...@apache.org>.
Hey, Oliver. I apologize for the delay on this. It fell off my radar as
I've been concentrating on other tasks.
For what it's worth, the community support [1] provided on the mailing list
is, as the website says, provided for free on a volunteer basis. I would
imagine that everybody on this list has a day job whose responsibilities
include things other than providing community support. This is certainly
true of me.
I can't speak for anybody else in the community, but I hope to reproduce &
investigate your issue soon. Of course, anybody is free to do the same. The
community is one of the great things about Open Source. If you find your
support needs really go beyond what the community can provide then you
might consider one of the commercial options listed on the website [1].
Hope that helps!
Justin
[1] https://activemq.apache.org/support
On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 8:37 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de> wrote:
> Hi Justin,
>
> this question is created about 4 weeks ago.
>
> I can imagine that reproducing the unexpected behavior might take some
> time.
> But does it really takes that long?
>
> Do you still think that the dev team will give a feedback?
>
> Regards,
> Oliver
>
>
> On 4/12/23 10:10, Oliver Lins wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > asking again, is there any news concerning this question?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Oliver
> >
> > On 4/4/23 09:56, Oliver Lins wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> is there any news?
> >>
> >> Oliver
> >>
> >> On 3/28/23 10:28, Oliver Lins wrote:
> >>> Hi Justin,
> >>>
> >>> thanks for the info. Pls take the time it needs to analyze.
> >>>
> >>> Oliver
> >>>
> >>> On 3/27/23 20:27, Justin Bertram wrote:
> >>>> Not yet. I'm hoping to get to it at some point this week. I was out
> >>>> of the
> >>>> office last week.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Justin
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 4:31 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> is there any news concerning this question?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oliver
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 3/16/23 13:59, Oliver Lins wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've attached an archive containing the test apps, logs and a readme
> >>>>>> file.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you have any questions pls let me know.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>>> Oliver
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 3/15/23 16:31, Justin Bertram wrote:
> >>>>>>> I just need a way to reproduce what you're seeing so once you
> >>>>>>> get your
> >>>>>>> reproducer in order let me know. Thanks!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Justin
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 9:36 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Justin,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> thank you for your fast reply.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> > Would it be possible for you to work up a way to reproduce
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> behavior you're seeing?
> >>>>>>>> Yes, I can reproduce the behavior. I have simplified producer and
> >>>>>>>> consumer Java code to reproduce.
> >>>>>>>> The code is not yet the bare minimum necessary to work, but I can
> >>>>>>>> change
> >>>>>>>> that.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> > If so, is the order-of-creation only essential per
> >>>>>>>> producer [...]
> >>>>>>>> Yes, the order is only essential per producer.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Please let me know how I can assist you.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>>>>> Oliver
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 3/15/23 14:58, Justin Bertram wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Based on your description, attached configuration, and logs I
> >>>>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>>>>> see
> >>>>>>>>> anything wrong, per se. Would it be possible for you to work up a
> >>>>>>>>> way to
> >>>>>>>>> reproduce the behavior you're seeing?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Do you ever have more than 1 producer? If so, is the
> >>>>>>>>> order-of-creation
> >>>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>>>> essential per producer or is it essential across all producers?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Justin
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 8:29 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> we are using Artemis with the following setup:
> >>>>>>>>>> - 2 independent broker instances (on 2 hosts)
> >>>>>>>>>> - a cluster configuration to create a Core bridge between both
> >>>>>>>>>> instances
> >>>>>>>>>> (no failover, no HA)
> >>>>>>>>>> - multiple JMS clients produce and consume AMQP messages
> >>>>>>>>>> using topics
> >>>>>>>>>> - the clients do a failover themself
> >>>>>>>>>> - Artemis versions (2.21.0, 2.29.0-SNAPSHOT cloned on 08.03)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Every thing is working fine. Independent of the Artemis
> >>>>>>>>>> instance the
> >>>>>>>>>> producer or consumers are connected to they receive all messages
> >>>>>>>>>> in the
> >>>>>>>>>> order of creation.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> To simulate a server failure we kill (-9) Artemis instance 1 and
> >>>>>>>>>> restart
> >>>>>>>>>> the instance again (~ 1/2 minute later).
> >>>>>>>>>> - 1 producer connects to the restarted instance 1
> >>>>>>>>>> - multiple consumers are (still) connected to instance 2
> >>>>>>>>>> - 1 consumer connects to the restarted instance 1
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The producer sends messages with a delay of 1 ms.
> >>>>>>>>>> Now we see that
> >>>>>>>>>> - the order of messages received by the consumer connected to
> >>>>>>>>>> instance 1
> >>>>>>>>>> frequently does not match the order the messages are created
> >>>>>>>>>> - the order of messages received by consumers connected to
> >>>>>>>>>> instance 2
> >>>>>>>>>> matches the order the messages are created
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> It is essential for us that the messages arrive in the order of
> >>>>>>>> creation.
> >>>>>>>>>> Do you have any ideas what went wrong or we are doing wrong?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
> >>>>>>>>>> Oliver
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Pls note: the attached files are used to reproduce what we
> >>>>>>>>>> saw in
> >>>>>>>>>> production.
> >>>>>>>>>> This test configuration uses 1 docker instance per
> >>>>>>>>>> Artemis
> >>>>>>>>>> broker.
> >>>>>>>>>> Both instances are running on the same host using
> >>>>>>>>>> different
> >>>>>>>>>> ports.
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Dipl.-Ing. FH der technischen Informatik
> >>>>>>>> Tel.: +49 179 2911883
> >>>>>>>> Email: olins@lins-it.de
> >>>>>>>> Internet:
> >>>>>>>> http://www.lins-it.de
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Dipl.-Ing. FH der technischen Informatik
> >>>>> Tel.: +49 179 2911883
> >>>>> Email: olins@lins-it.de
> >>>>> Internet:
> >>>>> http://www.lins-it.de
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
> --
> Dipl.-Ing. FH der technischen Informatik
> Tel.: +49 179 2911883
> Email: olins@lins-it.de
> Internet:
> http://www.lins-it.de
>
>
Re: Cluster bridge and message order
Posted by Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de>.
Hi Justin,
this question is created about 4 weeks ago.
I can imagine that reproducing the unexpected behavior might take some time.
But does it really takes that long?
Do you still think that the dev team will give a feedback?
Regards,
Oliver
On 4/12/23 10:10, Oliver Lins wrote:
> Hi,
>
> asking again, is there any news concerning this question?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Oliver
>
> On 4/4/23 09:56, Oliver Lins wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> is there any news?
>>
>> Oliver
>>
>> On 3/28/23 10:28, Oliver Lins wrote:
>>> Hi Justin,
>>>
>>> thanks for the info. Pls take the time it needs to analyze.
>>>
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>> On 3/27/23 20:27, Justin Bertram wrote:
>>>> Not yet. I'm hoping to get to it at some point this week. I was out
>>>> of the
>>>> office last week.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Justin
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 4:31 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> is there any news concerning this question?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oliver
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/16/23 13:59, Oliver Lins wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've attached an archive containing the test apps, logs and a readme
>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have any questions pls let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Oliver
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/15/23 16:31, Justin Bertram wrote:
>>>>>>> I just need a way to reproduce what you're seeing so once you
>>>>>>> get your
>>>>>>> reproducer in order let me know. Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 9:36 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Justin,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thank you for your fast reply.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Would it be possible for you to work up a way to reproduce
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> behavior you're seeing?
>>>>>>>> Yes, I can reproduce the behavior. I have simplified producer and
>>>>>>>> consumer Java code to reproduce.
>>>>>>>> The code is not yet the bare minimum necessary to work, but I can
>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > If so, is the order-of-creation only essential per
>>>>>>>> producer [...]
>>>>>>>> Yes, the order is only essential per producer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please let me know how I can assist you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>> Oliver
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/15/23 14:58, Justin Bertram wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Based on your description, attached configuration, and logs I
>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>> anything wrong, per se. Would it be possible for you to work up a
>>>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>>>> reproduce the behavior you're seeing?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you ever have more than 1 producer? If so, is the
>>>>>>>>> order-of-creation
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> essential per producer or is it essential across all producers?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 8:29 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> we are using Artemis with the following setup:
>>>>>>>>>> - 2 independent broker instances (on 2 hosts)
>>>>>>>>>> - a cluster configuration to create a Core bridge between both
>>>>>>>>>> instances
>>>>>>>>>> (no failover, no HA)
>>>>>>>>>> - multiple JMS clients produce and consume AMQP messages
>>>>>>>>>> using topics
>>>>>>>>>> - the clients do a failover themself
>>>>>>>>>> - Artemis versions (2.21.0, 2.29.0-SNAPSHOT cloned on 08.03)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Every thing is working fine. Independent of the Artemis
>>>>>>>>>> instance the
>>>>>>>>>> producer or consumers are connected to they receive all messages
>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>> order of creation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To simulate a server failure we kill (-9) Artemis instance 1 and
>>>>>>>>>> restart
>>>>>>>>>> the instance again (~ 1/2 minute later).
>>>>>>>>>> - 1 producer connects to the restarted instance 1
>>>>>>>>>> - multiple consumers are (still) connected to instance 2
>>>>>>>>>> - 1 consumer connects to the restarted instance 1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The producer sends messages with a delay of 1 ms.
>>>>>>>>>> Now we see that
>>>>>>>>>> - the order of messages received by the consumer connected to
>>>>>>>>>> instance 1
>>>>>>>>>> frequently does not match the order the messages are created
>>>>>>>>>> - the order of messages received by consumers connected to
>>>>>>>>>> instance 2
>>>>>>>>>> matches the order the messages are created
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is essential for us that the messages arrive in the order of
>>>>>>>> creation.
>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any ideas what went wrong or we are doing wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>>>> Oliver
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pls note: the attached files are used to reproduce what we
>>>>>>>>>> saw in
>>>>>>>>>> production.
>>>>>>>>>> This test configuration uses 1 docker instance per
>>>>>>>>>> Artemis
>>>>>>>>>> broker.
>>>>>>>>>> Both instances are running on the same host using
>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>> ports.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Dipl.-Ing. FH der technischen Informatik
>>>>>>>> Tel.: +49 179 2911883
>>>>>>>> Email: olins@lins-it.de
>>>>>>>> Internet:
>>>>>>>> http://www.lins-it.de
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dipl.-Ing. FH der technischen Informatik
>>>>> Tel.: +49 179 2911883
>>>>> Email: olins@lins-it.de
>>>>> Internet:
>>>>> http://www.lins-it.de
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
--
Dipl.-Ing. FH der technischen Informatik
Tel.: +49 179 2911883
Email: olins@lins-it.de
Internet:
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Re: Cluster bridge and message order
Posted by Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de>.
Hi,
asking again, is there any news concerning this question?
Thanks.
Oliver
On 4/4/23 09:56, Oliver Lins wrote:
> Hi,
>
> is there any news?
>
> Oliver
>
> On 3/28/23 10:28, Oliver Lins wrote:
>> Hi Justin,
>>
>> thanks for the info. Pls take the time it needs to analyze.
>>
>> Oliver
>>
>> On 3/27/23 20:27, Justin Bertram wrote:
>>> Not yet. I'm hoping to get to it at some point this week. I was out
>>> of the
>>> office last week.
>>>
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 4:31 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> is there any news concerning this question?
>>>>
>>>> Oliver
>>>>
>>>> On 3/16/23 13:59, Oliver Lins wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've attached an archive containing the test apps, logs and a readme
>>>>> file.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have any questions pls let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Oliver
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/15/23 16:31, Justin Bertram wrote:
>>>>>> I just need a way to reproduce what you're seeing so once you get
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> reproducer in order let me know. Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 9:36 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Justin,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thank you for your fast reply.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Would it be possible for you to work up a way to reproduce the
>>>>>>> behavior you're seeing?
>>>>>>> Yes, I can reproduce the behavior. I have simplified producer and
>>>>>>> consumer Java code to reproduce.
>>>>>>> The code is not yet the bare minimum necessary to work, but I can
>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > If so, is the order-of-creation only essential per
>>>>>>> producer [...]
>>>>>>> Yes, the order is only essential per producer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let me know how I can assist you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Oliver
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/15/23 14:58, Justin Bertram wrote:
>>>>>>>> Based on your description, attached configuration, and logs I
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>> anything wrong, per se. Would it be possible for you to work up a
>>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>>> reproduce the behavior you're seeing?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you ever have more than 1 producer? If so, is the
>>>>>>>> order-of-creation
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> essential per producer or is it essential across all producers?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 8:29 AM Oliver Lins <li...@lins-it.de>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> we are using Artemis with the following setup:
>>>>>>>>> - 2 independent broker instances (on 2 hosts)
>>>>>>>>> - a cluster configuration to create a Core bridge between both
>>>>>>>>> instances
>>>>>>>>> (no failover, no HA)
>>>>>>>>> - multiple JMS clients produce and consume AMQP messages using
>>>>>>>>> topics
>>>>>>>>> - the clients do a failover themself
>>>>>>>>> - Artemis versions (2.21.0, 2.29.0-SNAPSHOT cloned on 08.03)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Every thing is working fine. Independent of the Artemis
>>>>>>>>> instance the
>>>>>>>>> producer or consumers are connected to they receive all messages
>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>> order of creation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To simulate a server failure we kill (-9) Artemis instance 1 and
>>>>>>>>> restart
>>>>>>>>> the instance again (~ 1/2 minute later).
>>>>>>>>> - 1 producer connects to the restarted instance 1
>>>>>>>>> - multiple consumers are (still) connected to instance 2
>>>>>>>>> - 1 consumer connects to the restarted instance 1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The producer sends messages with a delay of 1 ms.
>>>>>>>>> Now we see that
>>>>>>>>> - the order of messages received by the consumer connected to
>>>>>>>>> instance 1
>>>>>>>>> frequently does not match the order the messages are created
>>>>>>>>> - the order of messages received by consumers connected to
>>>>>>>>> instance 2
>>>>>>>>> matches the order the messages are created
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is essential for us that the messages arrive in the order of
>>>>>>> creation.
>>>>>>>>> Do you have any ideas what went wrong or we are doing wrong?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>>> Oliver
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pls note: the attached files are used to reproduce what we saw in
>>>>>>>>> production.
>>>>>>>>> This test configuration uses 1 docker instance per
>>>>>>>>> Artemis
>>>>>>>>> broker.
>>>>>>>>> Both instances are running on the same host using
>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>> ports.
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>>>>
>>>>
>>
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