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Posted to jcp-open@apache.org by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> on 2010/01/15 10:44:28 UTC
Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs
Hi,
What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
Cheers,
Mark
Re: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
hm - didn't come w/ JSP or servlets... I wonder where it is...
On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
> On 15/01/2010 15:28, Mark Thomas wrote:
>> On 15/01/2010 15:06, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>> was it a separate JSR?
>>
>> No, the update was part of the JSR 245 mainteance release. However,
>> something one of my fellow Tomcat committers wrote suggested the
>> expression language (might be called unified expression language) had a
>> separate TCK.
>
> Confirmed with Jean-Frederic. The EL TCK is called:
> eltck-2.2_04-Dec-2009.zip
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't clear).
>>>> Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is covered by JSP
>>>> 2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>> in your home dir
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Problems with the process of obtaining TCKs [WAS: Re: Expression Language 2.2 TCK [Was:: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs]]
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
Great - I can send you the info under private cover, as long as you can agree that it's not to be published and people that get TCKs are those that are only going to use it on ASF projects, for the purpose of the ASF project itself, rather than a third-party.
geir
On Apr 20, 2010, at 8:35 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 April 2010 8:19:22 pm Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> I didn't know of any outstanding requests re the WS and RS. For the other,
>> I have to submit a scholarship request.
>>
>> How about this - would you two gentlemen like to help?
>
> I'd love to help. More in reply to your other note......
>
> Dan
>
>>
>> geir
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>> CXF has had the same problem obtaining JAX-WS and JAX-RS TCK's. We put
>>> a note about this in our board report for this month as an issue the
>>> board needs to address. I'm hoping to see SOME action on this
>>> tomorrow during the board meeting. Right now, it all has to go through
>>> a single person which is complete anti-community and against the "Apache
>>> Way" of doing things.
>>>
>>> Dan
>
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: Problems with the process of obtaining TCKs [WAS: Re: Expression Language 2.2 TCK [Was:: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs]]
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
On Tuesday 20 April 2010 8:19:22 pm Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> I didn't know of any outstanding requests re the WS and RS. For the other,
> I have to submit a scholarship request.
>
> How about this - would you two gentlemen like to help?
I'd love to help. More in reply to your other note......
Dan
>
> geir
>
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote:
> > CXF has had the same problem obtaining JAX-WS and JAX-RS TCK's. We put
> > a note about this in our board report for this month as an issue the
> > board needs to address. I'm hoping to see SOME action on this
> > tomorrow during the board meeting. Right now, it all has to go through
> > a single person which is complete anti-community and against the "Apache
> > Way" of doing things.
> >
> > Dan
--
Daniel Kulp
dkulp@apache.org
http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: Problems with the process of obtaining TCKs [WAS: Re: Expression Language 2.2 TCK [Was:: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs]]
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
> On 20/04/2010 19:27, Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>
>> CXF has had the same problem obtaining JAX-WS and JAX-RS TCK's. We put a
>> note about this in our board report for this month as an issue the board needs
>> to address. I'm hoping to see SOME action on this tomorrow during the board
>> meeting. Right now, it all has to go through a single person which is
>> complete anti-community and against the "Apache Way" of doing things.
>
> The Tomcat project isn't due to report again until June. I sincerely
> hope that this issue is resolved by then.
>
> I see you are planning to attend the board meeting tomorrow. Please feel
> free to add Tomcat to the list of projects that currently has issues
> with TCKs. I am also willing to volunteer to join an expanded JCP
> committee and help respond to TCK requests.
Fantastic. I'll send you the info under private cover. I'll do the same for Dan if he can convincingly articulate an understanding that having a limited access to materials that aren't open source and under a strict license isn't in conflict with our general understanding of "community" and "Apache Way".
geir
>
> Mark
>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday 20 April 2010 2:19:57 pm Mark Thomas wrote:
>>> Changing the topic as I want to keep this on a separate thread.
>>>
>>> I requested the EL 2.2 TCK three months ago. I know the TCK was
>>> available at the time I requested it since the RedHat (JBoss) folks on
>>> the Tomcat project had copies.
>>>
>>> I am concerned that something in the TCK request process is broken. Our
>>> inability to obtain a TCK that I know exists puts a fairly large dent in
>>> the confidence I have in any response to questions along the line of
>>> "Are there any updates (eg excludes lists) to the XYZ TCK?"
>>>
>>> At the moment everything about the TCKs and their current status is a
>>> black box. How can we get a greater visbility into the current state of
>>> the TCKs, particularly:
>>> - which TCKs are available;
>>> - when was the TCK (mainly the excludes list) last updated?
>>>
>>> Additionally, how can we be assurred that the information is accurrate?
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On 20/04/2010 19:12, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>> Ping.
>>>>
>>>> It has now been over three months since I requested the EL 2.2 TCK. I
>>>> know it exists since some of the RedHat folks on the Tomcat project have
>>>> copies of it.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On 14/04/2010 10:53, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>> Sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's nothing that we appear to have anywhere. Let me check with lance.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>> Ping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21/03/2010 23:15, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>> Ping.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any news on the EL 2.2 TCK?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 18:05, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 17:56, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> What JSR was it done in?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The spec was released under JSR 245.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was actually a joint effort between the JSR245 EG and the JSR252
>>>>>>>> EG.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:28, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:06, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> was it a separate JSR?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, the update was part of the JSR 245 mainteance release.
>>>>>>>>>>> However, something one of my fellow Tomcat committers wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> suggested the expression language (might be called unified
>>>>>>>>>>> expression language) had a separate TCK.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Confirmed with Jean-Frederic. The EL TCK is called:
>>>>>>>>>> eltck-2.2_04-Dec-2009.zip
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear). Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> covered by JSP 2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your home dir
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>
>
>
>
Re: Problems with the process of obtaining TCKs [WAS: Re: Expression
Language 2.2 TCK [Was:: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs]]
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 20/04/2010 19:27, Daniel Kulp wrote:
>
> CXF has had the same problem obtaining JAX-WS and JAX-RS TCK's. We put a
> note about this in our board report for this month as an issue the board needs
> to address. I'm hoping to see SOME action on this tomorrow during the board
> meeting. Right now, it all has to go through a single person which is
> complete anti-community and against the "Apache Way" of doing things.
The Tomcat project isn't due to report again until June. I sincerely
hope that this issue is resolved by then.
I see you are planning to attend the board meeting tomorrow. Please feel
free to add Tomcat to the list of projects that currently has issues
with TCKs. I am also willing to volunteer to join an expanded JCP
committee and help respond to TCK requests.
Mark
> Dan
>
>
> On Tuesday 20 April 2010 2:19:57 pm Mark Thomas wrote:
>> Changing the topic as I want to keep this on a separate thread.
>>
>> I requested the EL 2.2 TCK three months ago. I know the TCK was
>> available at the time I requested it since the RedHat (JBoss) folks on
>> the Tomcat project had copies.
>>
>> I am concerned that something in the TCK request process is broken. Our
>> inability to obtain a TCK that I know exists puts a fairly large dent in
>> the confidence I have in any response to questions along the line of
>> "Are there any updates (eg excludes lists) to the XYZ TCK?"
>>
>> At the moment everything about the TCKs and their current status is a
>> black box. How can we get a greater visbility into the current state of
>> the TCKs, particularly:
>> - which TCKs are available;
>> - when was the TCK (mainly the excludes list) last updated?
>>
>> Additionally, how can we be assurred that the information is accurrate?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 20/04/2010 19:12, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>> Ping.
>>>
>>> It has now been over three months since I requested the EL 2.2 TCK. I
>>> know it exists since some of the RedHat folks on the Tomcat project have
>>> copies of it.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On 14/04/2010 10:53, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>> Sorry.
>>>>
>>>> It's nothing that we appear to have anywhere. Let me check with lance.
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>> Ping.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21/03/2010 23:15, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>> Ping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any news on the EL 2.2 TCK?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 18:05, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 17:56, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>> What JSR was it done in?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The spec was released under JSR 245.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was actually a joint effort between the JSR245 EG and the JSR252
>>>>>>> EG.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:28, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:06, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> was it a separate JSR?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, the update was part of the JSR 245 mainteance release.
>>>>>>>>>> However, something one of my fellow Tomcat committers wrote
>>>>>>>>>> suggested the expression language (might be called unified
>>>>>>>>>> expression language) had a separate TCK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Confirmed with Jean-Frederic. The EL TCK is called:
>>>>>>>>> eltck-2.2_04-Dec-2009.zip
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> clear). Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> covered by JSP 2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your home dir
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>
Re: Problems with the process of obtaining TCKs [WAS: Re: Expression Language 2.2 TCK [Was:: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs]]
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
On Apr 20, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 April 2010 8:21:19 pm Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>> CXF has had the same problem obtaining JAX-WS and JAX-RS TCK's. We put
>>> a note about this in our board report for this month as an issue the
>>> board needs to address. I'm hoping to see SOME action on this
>>> tomorrow during the board meeting. Right now, it all has to go through
>>> a single person which is complete anti-community and against the "Apache
>>> Way" of doing things.
>>
>> See my other note re you helping. I will point out that this is totally
>> orthogonal to "community" or "Apache Way".
>
>
> Well, there are two issues I have with the current state of affairs:
>
> 1) You are the single contact point (and choke point) for obtaining new and
> updated materials. THAT is definitely against my understanding of what we
> try to accomplish in our communities. We put things like "3 independent
> contributors" as requirements for our incubator communities, but not something
> we've enforced here. We've also encouraged people to help participate in
> other communities in hopes of growing into a role there (like become a
> committer). Again, not something we've done here. (although, like
> infrastructure, this is hard to do due to security being required first.)
> The main issue for me is that your spam filters or whatever routinely get in
> the way and requests get lost. That shouldn't happen and others should be
> able to step up and help out. (which I would be happy to do, Mark would be
> happy to do, and Jeff Genender would also be happy to do if (2) can be solved)
Right - key here is that this isn't a project, but rather a service of the foundation to projects. You can certainly say I'm doing a lousy job, but to invoke "community" and "Apache way" doesn't make sense to me.
>
> 2) The "community" isn't really a participant in anything JCP at Apache does.
> Even things like figuring out how to distribute materials is something that is
> discussable (since I don't have root on mino, that is an issue with me
> participating) There haven't been a lot of non-Sun votes lately, but they
> certainly should also have a discussion as well. Things like that.
The ASF has a policy set by the board that we will vote 'no' for any JSR that is being led by an entity that the ASF feels is no longer complying with the terms of the JSPA. We feel that Sun (and now Oracle) isn't complying with the JSPA, specifically those parts which pertain to providing TCK licenses under unfettered terms.
If you disagree, and wish the ASF to change it's position wrt Sun/Oracle, that would be good to hear.
>
> If you are OK with expanding (1) to include more people, I'd be happy to start
> off a discussion about how to accomplish the distribution of materials. I'll
> do that now. :-)
Again, as long as you stop confusing handling of these things with "the Apache Way", I welcome you volunteering. I've sent the info to Mark and will do so to you as well.
geir
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: Problems with the process of obtaining TCKs [WAS: Re: Expression Language 2.2 TCK [Was:: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs]]
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
On Tuesday 20 April 2010 8:21:19 pm Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote:
> > CXF has had the same problem obtaining JAX-WS and JAX-RS TCK's. We put
> > a note about this in our board report for this month as an issue the
> > board needs to address. I'm hoping to see SOME action on this
> > tomorrow during the board meeting. Right now, it all has to go through
> > a single person which is complete anti-community and against the "Apache
> > Way" of doing things.
>
> See my other note re you helping. I will point out that this is totally
> orthogonal to "community" or "Apache Way".
Well, there are two issues I have with the current state of affairs:
1) You are the single contact point (and choke point) for obtaining new and
updated materials. THAT is definitely against my understanding of what we
try to accomplish in our communities. We put things like "3 independent
contributors" as requirements for our incubator communities, but not something
we've enforced here. We've also encouraged people to help participate in
other communities in hopes of growing into a role there (like become a
committer). Again, not something we've done here. (although, like
infrastructure, this is hard to do due to security being required first.)
The main issue for me is that your spam filters or whatever routinely get in
the way and requests get lost. That shouldn't happen and others should be
able to step up and help out. (which I would be happy to do, Mark would be
happy to do, and Jeff Genender would also be happy to do if (2) can be solved)
2) The "community" isn't really a participant in anything JCP at Apache does.
Even things like figuring out how to distribute materials is something that is
discussable (since I don't have root on mino, that is an issue with me
participating) There haven't been a lot of non-Sun votes lately, but they
certainly should also have a discussion as well. Things like that.
If you are OK with expanding (1) to include more people, I'd be happy to start
off a discussion about how to accomplish the distribution of materials. I'll
do that now. :-)
--
Daniel Kulp
dkulp@apache.org
http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: Problems with the process of obtaining TCKs [WAS: Re: Expression Language 2.2 TCK [Was:: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs]]
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote:
>
> CXF has had the same problem obtaining JAX-WS and JAX-RS TCK's. We put a
> note about this in our board report for this month as an issue the board needs
> to address. I'm hoping to see SOME action on this tomorrow during the board
> meeting. Right now, it all has to go through a single person which is
> complete anti-community and against the "Apache Way" of doing things.
See my other note re you helping. I will point out that this is totally orthogonal to "community" or "Apache Way".
geir
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Tuesday 20 April 2010 2:19:57 pm Mark Thomas wrote:
>> Changing the topic as I want to keep this on a separate thread.
>>
>> I requested the EL 2.2 TCK three months ago. I know the TCK was
>> available at the time I requested it since the RedHat (JBoss) folks on
>> the Tomcat project had copies.
>>
>> I am concerned that something in the TCK request process is broken. Our
>> inability to obtain a TCK that I know exists puts a fairly large dent in
>> the confidence I have in any response to questions along the line of
>> "Are there any updates (eg excludes lists) to the XYZ TCK?"
>>
>> At the moment everything about the TCKs and their current status is a
>> black box. How can we get a greater visbility into the current state of
>> the TCKs, particularly:
>> - which TCKs are available;
>> - when was the TCK (mainly the excludes list) last updated?
>>
>> Additionally, how can we be assurred that the information is accurrate?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 20/04/2010 19:12, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>> Ping.
>>>
>>> It has now been over three months since I requested the EL 2.2 TCK. I
>>> know it exists since some of the RedHat folks on the Tomcat project have
>>> copies of it.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On 14/04/2010 10:53, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>> Sorry.
>>>>
>>>> It's nothing that we appear to have anywhere. Let me check with lance.
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>> Ping.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21/03/2010 23:15, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>> Ping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any news on the EL 2.2 TCK?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 18:05, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 17:56, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>> What JSR was it done in?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The spec was released under JSR 245.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was actually a joint effort between the JSR245 EG and the JSR252
>>>>>>> EG.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:28, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:06, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> was it a separate JSR?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, the update was part of the JSR 245 mainteance release.
>>>>>>>>>> However, something one of my fellow Tomcat committers wrote
>>>>>>>>>> suggested the expression language (might be called unified
>>>>>>>>>> expression language) had a separate TCK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Confirmed with Jean-Frederic. The EL TCK is called:
>>>>>>>>> eltck-2.2_04-Dec-2009.zip
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> clear). Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> covered by JSP 2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your home dir
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: Problems with the process of obtaining TCKs [WAS: Re: Expression Language 2.2 TCK [Was:: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs]]
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
I didn't know of any outstanding requests re the WS and RS. For the other, I have to submit a scholarship request.
How about this - would you two gentlemen like to help?
geir
On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote:
>
> CXF has had the same problem obtaining JAX-WS and JAX-RS TCK's. We put a
> note about this in our board report for this month as an issue the board needs
> to address. I'm hoping to see SOME action on this tomorrow during the board
> meeting. Right now, it all has to go through a single person which is
> complete anti-community and against the "Apache Way" of doing things.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Tuesday 20 April 2010 2:19:57 pm Mark Thomas wrote:
>> Changing the topic as I want to keep this on a separate thread.
>>
>> I requested the EL 2.2 TCK three months ago. I know the TCK was
>> available at the time I requested it since the RedHat (JBoss) folks on
>> the Tomcat project had copies.
>>
>> I am concerned that something in the TCK request process is broken. Our
>> inability to obtain a TCK that I know exists puts a fairly large dent in
>> the confidence I have in any response to questions along the line of
>> "Are there any updates (eg excludes lists) to the XYZ TCK?"
>>
>> At the moment everything about the TCKs and their current status is a
>> black box. How can we get a greater visbility into the current state of
>> the TCKs, particularly:
>> - which TCKs are available;
>> - when was the TCK (mainly the excludes list) last updated?
>>
>> Additionally, how can we be assurred that the information is accurrate?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 20/04/2010 19:12, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>> Ping.
>>>
>>> It has now been over three months since I requested the EL 2.2 TCK. I
>>> know it exists since some of the RedHat folks on the Tomcat project have
>>> copies of it.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On 14/04/2010 10:53, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>> Sorry.
>>>>
>>>> It's nothing that we appear to have anywhere. Let me check with lance.
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>> Ping.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21/03/2010 23:15, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>> Ping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any news on the EL 2.2 TCK?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 18:05, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 17:56, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>> What JSR was it done in?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The spec was released under JSR 245.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was actually a joint effort between the JSR245 EG and the JSR252
>>>>>>> EG.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:28, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:06, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> was it a separate JSR?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, the update was part of the JSR 245 mainteance release.
>>>>>>>>>> However, something one of my fellow Tomcat committers wrote
>>>>>>>>>> suggested the expression language (might be called unified
>>>>>>>>>> expression language) had a separate TCK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Confirmed with Jean-Frederic. The EL TCK is called:
>>>>>>>>> eltck-2.2_04-Dec-2009.zip
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> clear). Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> covered by JSP 2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your home dir
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: Problems with the process of obtaining TCKs [WAS: Re: Expression Language 2.2 TCK [Was:: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs]]
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
CXF has had the same problem obtaining JAX-WS and JAX-RS TCK's. We put a
note about this in our board report for this month as an issue the board needs
to address. I'm hoping to see SOME action on this tomorrow during the board
meeting. Right now, it all has to go through a single person which is
complete anti-community and against the "Apache Way" of doing things.
Dan
On Tuesday 20 April 2010 2:19:57 pm Mark Thomas wrote:
> Changing the topic as I want to keep this on a separate thread.
>
> I requested the EL 2.2 TCK three months ago. I know the TCK was
> available at the time I requested it since the RedHat (JBoss) folks on
> the Tomcat project had copies.
>
> I am concerned that something in the TCK request process is broken. Our
> inability to obtain a TCK that I know exists puts a fairly large dent in
> the confidence I have in any response to questions along the line of
> "Are there any updates (eg excludes lists) to the XYZ TCK?"
>
> At the moment everything about the TCKs and their current status is a
> black box. How can we get a greater visbility into the current state of
> the TCKs, particularly:
> - which TCKs are available;
> - when was the TCK (mainly the excludes list) last updated?
>
> Additionally, how can we be assurred that the information is accurrate?
>
> Mark
>
> On 20/04/2010 19:12, Mark Thomas wrote:
> > Ping.
> >
> > It has now been over three months since I requested the EL 2.2 TCK. I
> > know it exists since some of the RedHat folks on the Tomcat project have
> > copies of it.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On 14/04/2010 10:53, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> >> Sorry.
> >>
> >> It's nothing that we appear to have anywhere. Let me check with lance.
> >>
> >> On Apr 14, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
> >>> Ping.
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>> On 21/03/2010 23:15, Mark Thomas wrote:
> >>>> Ping.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any news on the EL 2.2 TCK?
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark
> >>>>
> >>>> On 15/01/2010 18:05, Mark Thomas wrote:
> >>>>> On 15/01/2010 17:56, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> >>>>>> What JSR was it done in?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The spec was released under JSR 245.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It was actually a joint effort between the JSR245 EG and the JSR252
> >>>>> EG.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mark
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:28, Mark Thomas wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:06, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> was it a separate JSR?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> No, the update was part of the JSR 245 mainteance release.
> >>>>>>>> However, something one of my fellow Tomcat committers wrote
> >>>>>>>> suggested the expression language (might be called unified
> >>>>>>>> expression language) had a separate TCK.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Confirmed with Jean-Frederic. The EL TCK is called:
> >>>>>>> eltck-2.2_04-Dec-2009.zip
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't
> >>>>>>>>>> clear). Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is
> >>>>>>>>>> covered by JSP 2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> in your home dir
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
--
Daniel Kulp
dkulp@apache.org
http://dankulp.com/blog
Problems with the process of obtaining TCKs [WAS: Re: Expression
Language 2.2 TCK [Was:: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs]]
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
Changing the topic as I want to keep this on a separate thread.
I requested the EL 2.2 TCK three months ago. I know the TCK was
available at the time I requested it since the RedHat (JBoss) folks on
the Tomcat project had copies.
I am concerned that something in the TCK request process is broken. Our
inability to obtain a TCK that I know exists puts a fairly large dent in
the confidence I have in any response to questions along the line of
"Are there any updates (eg excludes lists) to the XYZ TCK?"
At the moment everything about the TCKs and their current status is a
black box. How can we get a greater visbility into the current state of
the TCKs, particularly:
- which TCKs are available;
- when was the TCK (mainly the excludes list) last updated?
Additionally, how can we be assurred that the information is accurrate?
Mark
On 20/04/2010 19:12, Mark Thomas wrote:
> Ping.
>
> It has now been over three months since I requested the EL 2.2 TCK. I
> know it exists since some of the RedHat folks on the Tomcat project have
> copies of it.
>
> Mark
>
> On 14/04/2010 10:53, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> Sorry.
>>
>> It's nothing that we appear to have anywhere. Let me check with lance.
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Ping.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On 21/03/2010 23:15, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>> Ping.
>>>>
>>>> Any news on the EL 2.2 TCK?
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On 15/01/2010 18:05, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>> On 15/01/2010 17:56, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>> What JSR was it done in?
>>>>>
>>>>> The spec was released under JSR 245.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was actually a joint effort between the JSR245 EG and the JSR252 EG.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:28, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:06, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> was it a separate JSR?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, the update was part of the JSR 245 mainteance release. However,
>>>>>>>> something one of my fellow Tomcat committers wrote suggested the
>>>>>>>> expression language (might be called unified expression language) had a
>>>>>>>> separate TCK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Confirmed with Jean-Frederic. The EL TCK is called:
>>>>>>> eltck-2.2_04-Dec-2009.zip
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't clear).
>>>>>>>>>> Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is covered by JSP
>>>>>>>>>> 2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> in your home dir
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Expression Language 2.2 TCK [Was:: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs]
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
Ping.
It has now been over three months since I requested the EL 2.2 TCK. I
know it exists since some of the RedHat folks on the Tomcat project have
copies of it.
Mark
On 14/04/2010 10:53, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> Sorry.
>
> It's nothing that we appear to have anywhere. Let me check with lance.
>
> On Apr 14, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>
>> Ping.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 21/03/2010 23:15, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>> Ping.
>>>
>>> Any news on the EL 2.2 TCK?
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On 15/01/2010 18:05, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>> On 15/01/2010 17:56, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>> What JSR was it done in?
>>>>
>>>> The spec was released under JSR 245.
>>>>
>>>> It was actually a joint effort between the JSR245 EG and the JSR252 EG.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:28, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:06, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>> was it a separate JSR?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, the update was part of the JSR 245 mainteance release. However,
>>>>>>> something one of my fellow Tomcat committers wrote suggested the
>>>>>>> expression language (might be called unified expression language) had a
>>>>>>> separate TCK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Confirmed with Jean-Frederic. The EL TCK is called:
>>>>>> eltck-2.2_04-Dec-2009.zip
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't clear).
>>>>>>>>> Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is covered by JSP
>>>>>>>>> 2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> in your home dir
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Expression Language 2.2 TCK [Was:: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs]
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
Sorry.
It's nothing that we appear to have anywhere. Let me check with lance.
On Apr 14, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
> Ping.
>
> Mark
>
> On 21/03/2010 23:15, Mark Thomas wrote:
>> Ping.
>>
>> Any news on the EL 2.2 TCK?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 15/01/2010 18:05, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>> On 15/01/2010 17:56, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>> What JSR was it done in?
>>>
>>> The spec was released under JSR 245.
>>>
>>> It was actually a joint effort between the JSR245 EG and the JSR252 EG.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:28, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:06, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>> was it a separate JSR?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, the update was part of the JSR 245 mainteance release. However,
>>>>>> something one of my fellow Tomcat committers wrote suggested the
>>>>>> expression language (might be called unified expression language) had a
>>>>>> separate TCK.
>>>>>
>>>>> Confirmed with Jean-Frederic. The EL TCK is called:
>>>>> eltck-2.2_04-Dec-2009.zip
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't clear).
>>>>>>>> Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is covered by JSP
>>>>>>>> 2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> in your home dir
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Expression Language 2.2 TCK [Was:: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs]
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
Ping.
Mark
On 21/03/2010 23:15, Mark Thomas wrote:
> Ping.
>
> Any news on the EL 2.2 TCK?
>
> Mark
>
> On 15/01/2010 18:05, Mark Thomas wrote:
>> On 15/01/2010 17:56, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>> What JSR was it done in?
>>
>> The spec was released under JSR 245.
>>
>> It was actually a joint effort between the JSR245 EG and the JSR252 EG.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:28, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:06, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>> was it a separate JSR?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, the update was part of the JSR 245 mainteance release. However,
>>>>> something one of my fellow Tomcat committers wrote suggested the
>>>>> expression language (might be called unified expression language) had a
>>>>> separate TCK.
>>>>
>>>> Confirmed with Jean-Frederic. The EL TCK is called:
>>>> eltck-2.2_04-Dec-2009.zip
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't clear).
>>>>>>> Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is covered by JSP
>>>>>>> 2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>>> in your home dir
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Expression Language 2.2 TCK [Was:: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs]
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
Ping.
Any news on the EL 2.2 TCK?
Mark
On 15/01/2010 18:05, Mark Thomas wrote:
> On 15/01/2010 17:56, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> What JSR was it done in?
>
> The spec was released under JSR 245.
>
> It was actually a joint effort between the JSR245 EG and the JSR252 EG.
>
> Mark
>
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/01/2010 15:28, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>> On 15/01/2010 15:06, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>> was it a separate JSR?
>>>>
>>>> No, the update was part of the JSR 245 mainteance release. However,
>>>> something one of my fellow Tomcat committers wrote suggested the
>>>> expression language (might be called unified expression language) had a
>>>> separate TCK.
>>>
>>> Confirmed with Jean-Frederic. The EL TCK is called:
>>> eltck-2.2_04-Dec-2009.zip
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't clear).
>>>>>> Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is covered by JSP
>>>>>> 2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>>> in your home dir
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 15/01/2010 17:56, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> What JSR was it done in?
The spec was released under JSR 245.
It was actually a joint effort between the JSR245 EG and the JSR252 EG.
Mark
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>
>> On 15/01/2010 15:28, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>> On 15/01/2010 15:06, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>> was it a separate JSR?
>>>
>>> No, the update was part of the JSR 245 mainteance release. However,
>>> something one of my fellow Tomcat committers wrote suggested the
>>> expression language (might be called unified expression language) had a
>>> separate TCK.
>>
>> Confirmed with Jean-Frederic. The EL TCK is called:
>> eltck-2.2_04-Dec-2009.zip
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mark
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't clear).
>>>>> Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is covered by JSP
>>>>> 2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>>> in your home dir
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
What JSR was it done in?
On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
> On 15/01/2010 15:28, Mark Thomas wrote:
>> On 15/01/2010 15:06, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>> was it a separate JSR?
>>
>> No, the update was part of the JSR 245 mainteance release. However,
>> something one of my fellow Tomcat committers wrote suggested the
>> expression language (might be called unified expression language) had a
>> separate TCK.
>
> Confirmed with Jean-Frederic. The EL TCK is called:
> eltck-2.2_04-Dec-2009.zip
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't clear).
>>>> Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is covered by JSP
>>>> 2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>>> in your home dir
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 15/01/2010 15:28, Mark Thomas wrote:
> On 15/01/2010 15:06, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> was it a separate JSR?
>
> No, the update was part of the JSR 245 mainteance release. However,
> something one of my fellow Tomcat committers wrote suggested the
> expression language (might be called unified expression language) had a
> separate TCK.
Confirmed with Jean-Frederic. The EL TCK is called:
eltck-2.2_04-Dec-2009.zip
Cheers,
Mark
>
> Mark
>
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't clear).
>>> Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is covered by JSP
>>> 2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>> in your home dir
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 15/01/2010 15:06, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> was it a separate JSR?
No, the update was part of the JSR 245 mainteance release. However,
something one of my fellow Tomcat committers wrote suggested the
expression language (might be called unified expression language) had a
separate TCK.
Mark
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>
>> Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't clear).
>> Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is covered by JSP
>> 2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>> in your home dir
>>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
was it a separate JSR?
On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
> Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't clear).
> Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is covered by JSP
> 2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> in your home dir
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
Just a quick idiot check (with me being the idiot if that wasn't clear).
Is there a separate TCK for EL 2.2? It looks like it is covered by JSP
2.2 but I wanted to be sure.
Cheers,
Mark
On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> in your home dir
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>
[OT] Re: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 15/01/2010 10:09, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> offtopic question:
> what's the JSR for JSP 2.2 ?
> (or is that "only" the MR for the unified el?)
JSP 2.2 / EL 2.2 == JSR 245 MR1
There were some minor changes in JSP 2.2 as well as the EL changes.
Mark
>
> -Matthias
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>> in your home dir
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
offtopic question:
what's the JSR for JSP 2.2 ?
(or is that "only" the MR for the unified el?)
-Matthias
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> in your home dir
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Mark
>
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 15/01/2010 09:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> in your home dir
Many thanks.
Mark
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>
Re: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
done
On Jan 15, 2010, at 5:54 AM, Rainer Jung wrote:
> Hi Geir,
>
> I also asked for it.i send my NDA 4 weeks ago via facsimile. It would be nice if you could drop it for me to.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rainer
>
> On 15.01.2010 10:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> in your home dir
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Mark
Re: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
np - I'll go dig that up and drop it in there.
geir
On Jan 15, 2010, at 5:54 AM, Rainer Jung wrote:
> Hi Geir,
>
> I also asked for it.i send my NDA 4 weeks ago via facsimile. It would be nice if you could drop it for me to.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rainer
>
> On 15.01.2010 10:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> in your home dir
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Mark
Re: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs
Posted by Rainer Jung <rj...@apache.org>.
Hi Geir,
I also asked for it.i send my NDA 4 weeks ago via facsimile. It would be
nice if you could drop it for me to.
Regards,
Rainer
On 15.01.2010 10:54, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> in your home dir
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mark
Re: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
in your home dir
On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
>
Re: Servlet 3.0 & JSP 2.2 TCKs
Posted by Filip at Apache <fh...@apache.org>.
could I get a copy as well, user: fhanik
thanks
Filip
On 01/15/2010 02:44 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What is the status of obtaining these TCKs?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>