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Posted to dev@subversion.apache.org by Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org> on 2006/02/07 20:26:20 UTC

Re: svn commit: r18355 - trunk/www

What was the point of this? This affects web search sites -- they
aren't going to be able to find the information now. And without a
redirect, they aren't going to know to alter their links.

What was the benefit?

On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 04:02:28PM -0600, kfogel@tigris.org wrote:
> Author: kfogel
> Date: Mon Feb  6 16:02:27 2006
> New Revision: 18355
> 
> Added:
>    trunk/www/links.html
>       - copied unchanged from r18349, /trunk/www/project_links.html
> Modified:
>    trunk/www/faq.html
>    trunk/www/project_links.html
>    trunk/www/project_tasks.html
>    trunk/www/project_tools.html
>    trunk/www/svn_1.1_releasenotes.html
>    trunk/www/testimonials.html
> 
> Log:
> Make our links page be "links.html" instead of "project_links.html".
> 
> * www/links.html: New file, copied from project_links.html.
> 
> * www/project_links.html: Replace all content with per-section redirects.
> 
> * www/faq.html,
>   www/testimonials.html,
>   www/project_tools.html,
>   www/project_tasks.html,
>   www/svn_1.1_releasenotes.html: Adjust URLs accordingly.
> 
> 
> Modified: trunk/www/faq.html
> Url: http://svn.collab.net/viewcvs/svn/trunk/www/faq.html?rev=18355&p1=trunk/www/faq.html&p2=trunk/www/faq.html&r1=18354&r2=18355
> ==============================================================================
> --- trunk/www/faq.html	(original)
> +++ trunk/www/faq.html	Mon Feb  6 16:02:27 2006
> @@ -700,7 +700,7 @@
>  
>  </ul>
>  
> -<p>See also the <a href="project_links.html">Subversion links</a>
> +<p>See also the <a href="links.html">Subversion links</a>
>  page.</p>
>  
>  </div>
> 
> Modified: trunk/www/project_links.html
> Url: http://svn.collab.net/viewcvs/svn/trunk/www/project_links.html?rev=18355&p1=trunk/www/project_links.html&p2=trunk/www/project_links.html&r1=18354&r2=18355
> ==============================================================================
> --- trunk/www/project_links.html	(original)
> +++ trunk/www/project_links.html	Mon Feb  6 16:02:27 2006
> @@ -15,814 +15,102 @@
>  <body>
>  <div class="app">
>  
> -<h1 style="text-align: center;">Links</h1>
> +<h1 style="text-align: center;"
> +  >The Links Page Has Been <a href="links.html">Renamed</a></h1>
>  
> -<p><b>Disclaimer:</b> These links are provided as a service to Subversion
> -users. Neither Tigris.org, CollabNet Inc. nor the Subversion team
> -guarantee the correctness, validity or usefulness of these links.</p>
> +<p>The Subversion Links page has been moved
> +to <a href="links.html">links.html</a>.  This page exists only to 
> +provide redirects for subsections that already existed when the page
> +was renamed.  Each subsection is redirected
> +individually&nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;doing a "META" redirect on the page as
> +a whole wouldn't work, because this server strips the relevant
> +header.</p>
>  
> -<p>If you're looking for testimonials, please
> -see our <a href="testimonials.html">testimonials page</a> instead.</p>
> +<hr/>
>  
>  <div class="h2" id="docs" title="docs">
>  <h2>Documentation and archives</h2>
> -    <ul>
> -      <li><p><b>Home site mailing list archives</b><br/>
> -  <a href="http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/SearchList?listName=users"
> -     >http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/SearchList?listName=users</a>
> -         <br/>
> -  <a href="http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/SearchList?listName=dev"
> -     >http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/SearchList?listName=dev</a>
> -         <br/>
> -  <a href="http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/SearchList?listName=announce"
> -     >http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/SearchList?listName=announce</a>
> -         <br/>
> -      </p>
> -      </li>
> -      <li><p><b>Alternate (mirror) mailing list archives</b><br/>
> -        <a href="http://svn.haxx.se/dev/"
> -                >http://svn.haxx.se/dev/</a><br/>
> -        <a href="http://svn.haxx.se/users/"
> -                >http://svn.haxx.se/users/</a><br/>
> -        &nbsp;<br/>
> -        <a href="http://news.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.comp.version-control.subversion"
> -                >http://news.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.comp.version-control.subversion</a><br/>
> -        &nbsp;<br/>
> -        <a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=subversion-announce"
> -                >http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=subversion-announce</a><br/>
> -<!--
> -        <a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=subversion-breakage"
> -                >http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=subversion-breakage</a><br/>
> --->
> -        <a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=subversion-cvs"
> -                >http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=subversion-cvs</a>
> -                (Actually, the svn commits list, misnamed)<br/>
> -        <a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=subversion-dev"
> -                >http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=subversion-dev</a><br/>
> -        <a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=subversion-issues"
> -                >http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=subversion-issues</a><br/>
> -<!--
> -        <a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=subversion-users"
> -                >http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=subversion-users</a><br/>
> --->
> -      </p>
> -      </li>
> -      
> -      <li><p><b>Subversion API Documentation</b><br/>
> -        <a href="http://svn.collab.net/svn-doxygen/"
> -                >http://svn.collab.net/svn-doxygen/</a></p>
> -      </li>
> -  
> -    </ul>
> -    
> +<p>The Links page has been renamed; this section now lives at
> +<a href="links.html#docs">links.html#docs</a>.    
>  </div>
>  
>  <div class="h2" id="books" title="books">
>  <h2>Books</h2>
> -    <ul>
> -      <li><p><b>"Version Control with Subversion"</b> - 
> -        A Subversion book by Ben Collins-Sussman, Brian
> -        W. Fitzpatrick, and C. Michael Pilato;<br/> 
> -        treeware available from O'Reilly, plus full sources/HTML/PDF
> -        available online<br/>
> -        <a href="http://svnbook.red-bean.com/"
> -                >http://svnbook.red-bean.com/</a></p>
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>"Practical Subversion"</b> -
> -        A Subversion book by Garrett Rooney;<br/>
> -        one chapter free online<br/>
> -        <a href="http://apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=360"
> -                >http://apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=360</a></p>
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>"Pragmatic Version Control Using Subversion"</b> -
> -        A Subversion book by Mike Mason;<br/>
> -        two chapters free online <br/>
> -        <a href="http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/svn/"
> -                >http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/svn/</a></p>
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>"Subversion Version Control : Using the Subversion
> - Version Control System in Development Projects"</b> -
> -        A Subversion book by William Nagel;<br/>
> -        <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131855182/qid=1109193313/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl14/002-1377558-0648058?v=glance&amp;s=books&amp;n=507846"
> -                >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131855182/qid=1109193313/sr=8-3/&#8203;ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl14/002-1377558-0648058?v=glance&amp;s=books&amp;n=507846</a></p>
> -        <!-- &#8203; is a zero-width space. It permits the long URL to be
> -             broken over two lines, and so avoids the page becoming excessively
> -             wide, and requiring horizontal scrolling. -->
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>"Subversion in Action"</b> -
> -        A Subversion book by Jeffrey Machols;<br/>
> -        two chapters free online<br/>
> -        The book is available in pdf format only<br/>
> -        <a href="http://www.manning.com/books/machols"
> -                >http://www.manning.com/books/machols</a></p>
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>"Subversion"</b> -
> -        A German (Deutsch) Subversion book by Frank Budszuhn;<br/>
> -        some chapters free online<br/>
> -        <a href="http://www.galileocomputing.de/929?GPP=subversion"
> -                >http://www.galileocomputing.de/929?GPP=subversion</a></p>
> -      </li>
> -    </ul>
> +<p>The Links page has been renamed; this section now lives at
> +<a href="links.html#books">links.html#books</a>.
>  </div>
>  
>  <div class="h2" id="clients" title="clients">
>  <h2>Clients and plugins</h2>
> -    <ul>
> -      <li><p><b>AnkhSVN</b> - A Subversion addin for Microsoft 
> -        Visual Studio .NET<br/>
> -        <a href="http://ankhsvn.tigris.org/"
> -                >http://ankhsvn.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>CW Subversion</b> - A VCS plugin for Metrowerks CodeWarrior<br/> 
> -        (<i>Note that this is not currently Open Source, though it might
> -            eventually become so.</i>)
> -        <a href="http://www.soundgeek.org/software/SubversionPlugin.html"
> -                >http://www.soundgeek.org/software/SubversionPlugin.html</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>Eric3</b> - Python IDE with Subversion integration;
> -        written in PyQt, uses QScintilla editor widget<br/>
> -        <a href="http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/eric3.html"
> -                >http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/eric3.html</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>eSvn</b> - cross-platform QT-based GUI frontend to Subversion<br/>
> -        <a href="http://esvn.umputun.com/"
> -                >http://esvn.umputun.com/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>JSVN</b> - A Java Subversion Client, including a 
> -        plugin for IDEA<br/>
> -        <a href="http://jsvn.alternatecomputing.com/"
> -                >http://jsvn.alternatecomputing.com/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>psvn.el</b> - A Subversion interface for emacs<br/>
> -        <a href="http://xsteve.nit.at/prg/vc_svn/"
> -                >http://xsteve.nit.at/prg/vc_svn/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>RapidSVN</b> - A cross-platform GUI front-end for Subversion<br/>
> -        <a href="http://rapidsvn.tigris.org/"
> -                >http://rapidsvn.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>RSVN</b> - Python script which allows multiple
> -        repository-side operations in a single, atomic transaction.<br/>
> -        <a href="https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/rsvn/trac.cgi/wiki"
> -                >https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/rsvn/trac.cgi/wiki</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>SCPlugin</b> - A Subversion plugin for the Mac OS X Finder<br/>
> -        <a href="http://scplugin.tigris.org/"
> -                >http://scplugin.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>sourcecross.org</b> - Subversion SCC Provider 
> -          (client plugin for many Windows IDEs)<br/>
> -       (<i>Note that this is not an open source
> -          project, because the Microsoft SCC API is protected by a
> -          non-disclosure agreement.</i>)
> -       <br/>
> -       <a href="http://www.sourcecross.org/"
> -               >http://www.sourcecross.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>SmartSVN</b> - A cross-platform GUI client for Subversion<br/>
> -        (<i>Not open source.  Available in a free and a commercial
> -        version.</i>)
> -        <br/>
> -        <a href="http://www.smartsvn.com/"
> -                >http://www.smartsvn.com/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -      
> -      <li><p><b>Subclipse</b> - A Subversion Eclipse Plugin<br/>
> -        <a href="http://subclipse.tigris.org/"
> -                >http://subclipse.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>Subcommander</b> - A cross-platform Subversion GUI client
> -        including a visual text merge tool.<br/>
> -         <a href="http://subcommander.tigris.org/"
> -                 >http://subcommander.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>Subway</b> - An SCC Provider for Subversion<br/>
> -        (<i>Note that this is not an open source
> -          project, because the Microsoft SCC API is protected by a
> -          non-disclosure agreement.</i>)
> -        <a href="http://nidaros.homedns.org/subway/"
> -                >http://nidaros.homedns.org/subway/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>Supervision</b> - A Java/Swing based visual client for 
> -        Subversion, using the CLI, not native libs<br/>
> -        <a href="http://supervision.tigris.org/"
> -                >http://supervision.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>Svn-Up</b> - A Java client GUI for Subversion and a plugin 
> -        for the IDEA IDE<br/>
> -        <a href="http://svnup.tigris.org/"
> -                >http://svnup.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>SvnX</b> - A Mac OS X Panther GUI client.<br/>
> -        <a
> -        href="http://www.lachoseinteractive.net/en/community/subversion/svnx/"
> -        >http://www.lachoseinteractive.net/en/community/subversion/svnx/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>SVN SCC Proxy</b> - A SCC add-in for SVN<br/>
> -        (<i>Note that this is not an Open Source project.</i>)
> -        <br/>
> -        <a href="http://www.pushok.com/soft_svn.php"
> -                >http://www.pushok.com/soft_svn.php</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>TMate</b> - A Subversion tracking, reporting and browsing plugin
> -        for IntelliJ IDEA<br/>
> -        (<i>This is a commercial closed-source product, but Open Source or
> -            Educational projects may apply for free licences.</i>)
> -        <br/>
> -        <a href="http://tmatesoft.com"
> -                >http://tmatesoft.com</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>TortoiseSVN</b> - A Subversion client, implemented as a windows 
> -        shell extension<br/>
> -        <a href="http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/"
> -                >http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>WLW-SVN</b> - WebLogic Workshop (8.1.3/8.1.4)
> -        Extension for Subversion<br/> 
> -        <a href="https://wlw-svn.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/"
> -                >https://wlw-svn.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>WorkBench</b> - Cross platform software development GUI
> -        built on Subversion written in Python<br/>
> -        <a href="http://pysvn.tigris.org/"
> -                >http://pysvn.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -    </ul>
> -
> +<p>The Links page has been renamed; this section now lives at
> +<a href="links.html#clients">links.html#clients</a>.
>  </div>
>  
>  <div class="h2" id="bindings" title="bindings">
>  <!-- leaving old "lang_bindings" id for compatibility -->
>  <h2 id="lang_bindings">Subversion Language bindings</h2>
> -    <ul>
> -      <li><p><b>Subversion</b> -
> -        <a
> -        href="http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/subversion/bindings/swig/python/">Python</a>,
> -        <a
> -        href="http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/subversion/bindings/swig/perl/">Perl</a>,
> -        <a
> -        href="http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/subversion/bindings/java/javahl/">Java</a>,
> -        and <a
> -        href="http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/subversion/bindings/swig/ruby/">Ruby</a>
> -        bindings to Subversion API analogous to the core C API<br/>
> -        <a href="http://subversion.tigris.org/"
> -                >http://subversion.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>PySVN</b> - Object-oriented Python bindings for the
> -        Subversion client API<br/>
> -        <a href="http://pysvn.tigris.org/"
> -                >http://pysvn.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>JavaSVN</b> - Pure Java Subversion client library<br/>
> -
> -        <a href="http://tmate.org/svn/"
> -                >http://tmate.org/svn/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>SVNCPP</b> - C++ object oriented bindings for the
> -        Subversion client API<br/>
> -
> -        <a href="http://rapidsvn.tigris.org/"
> -                >http://rapidsvn.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>SubversionSharp</b> - C# bindings<br/>
> -        <a href="http://www.softec.st/ClrProjects/wiki/SubversionSharp"
> -                >http://www.softec.st/ClrProjects/wiki/SubversionSharp</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -
> -      <li><p><b>PECL SVN (PHP)</b> - PHP bindings<br/>
> -        <a href="http://pecl.php.net/package/svn"
> -                >http://pecl.php.net/package/svn</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -    </ul>
> -
> +<p>The Links page has been renamed; this section now lives at
> +<a href="links.html#bindings">links.html#bindings</a>.
>  </div>
>  
>  <div class="h2" id="converters" title="converters">
>  <h2>Repository converters</h2>
> -    <ul>
> -      <li><p><b>cvs2svn</b> - CVS to Subversion conversion<br/>
> -        cvs2svn has become its own project now, look at:<br/>
> -        <a href="http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/"
> -                >http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p>Perforce to Subversion conversion<br/>
> -        Announcement: 
> -        <a href="http://svn.haxx.se/dev/archive-2003-08/0133.shtml"
> -                >http://svn.haxx.se/dev/archive-2003-08/0133.shtml</a><br/>
> -        <a href="http://users.ox.ac.uk/~raym/software/misc/"
> -                >http://users.ox.ac.uk/~raym/software/misc/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>VCP</b> - CVS to Subversion, Perforce to Subversion incremental conversion<br/>
> -        <a href="http://public.perforce.com/public/revml/index.html"
> -                >http://public.perforce.com/public/revml/index.html</a><br/>
> -        <a href="http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?VCP::Dest::svk"
> -                >http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?VCP::Dest::svk</a><br/>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p>Visual Source Safe to Subversion (vss2svn.pl)<br/>
> -       <a href="http://vss2svn.tigris.org/"
> -               >http://vss2svn.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -    </ul>
> -
> +<p>The Links page has been renamed; this section now lives at
> +<a href="links.html#converters">links.html#converters</a>.
>  </div>
>  
>  <div class="h2" id="community-sites" title="community-sites">
>  <!-- old "community_sites" id left for compatibility -->
>  <h2 id="community_sites">Community sites</h2>
> -   <ul>
> -     <li><p><b>Subversionary</b> - A 
> -       <a href="http://subwiki.tigris.org/">SubWiki</a>-based site
> -       for the promotion of Subversion and for collecting information
> -       on how to configure and use Subversion.<br/> 
> -       <a href="http://www.subversionary.org/"
> -               >http://www.subversionary.org/</a></p>
> -     </li>
> -     <li><p><b>SVNForum</b> - A Subversion community help and discussion
> -       forum for exchanging information and tips with other Subversion
> -       users.<br/>
> -     <a href="http://svnforum.org/"
> -             >http://svnforum.org/</a></p>
> -     </li>
> -   </ul>
> -
> +<p>The Links page has been renamed; this section now lives at
> +<a href="links.html#community-sites">links.html#community-sites</a>.
>  </div>
>  
>  <div class="h2" id="hosting" title="hosting">
>  <h2>Sites that Offer Subversion Hosting</h2>
> -
> -  <ul>
> -
> -    <li><p><strong>berlios.de</strong>:  free hosting for open-source projects<br/>
> -      <a href="http://www.berlios.de/"
> -              >http://www.berlios.de/</a></p>
> -
> -      <p><em>"The goal of BerliOS is to provide support for different
> -         interest groups in the area of Open Source Software
> -         (OSS).  Our aim is to fulfil a neutral mediator function. The
> -         target groups of BerliOS are on one hand the developers and
> -         users of Open Source Software and on the other hand
> -         commercial manufacturers of OSS operating systems and
> -         applications as well as support companies."</em></p>
> -    </li>
> -
> -    <li><p><strong>ObjectWeb</strong>:  open source middleware<br/>
> -      <a href="http://www.objectweb.org/"
> -              >http://www.objectweb.org/</a></p>
> -
> -      <p><em>"ObjectWeb is an international consortium fostering the
> -         development of open-source middleware for cutting-edge
> -         applications: EAI, e-business, clustering, grid computing,
> -         managed services and more."</em>  Their hosting software is
> -         GForge, with integrated Subversion support.  See
> -         <a
> -         href="http://www.objectweb.org/phorum/read.php?f=49&amp;i=37&amp;t=37"
> -         >http://www.objectweb.org/phorum/read.php?f=49&amp;i=37&amp;t=37</a>
> -         for details.</p>
> -    </li>
> -
> -    <li><p><strong>CollabNet</strong>: commercial software development
> -           collaboration platform, with Subversion integration<br/> 
> -      <a href="http://www.collab.net/"
> -              >http://www.collab.net/</a></p>
> -
> -      <p><em>"CollabNet Enterprise Edition (CEE) delivers a complete
> -          software development and collaboration platform, offered as
> -          a managed service, with full Subversion integration."</em></p>
> -    </li>
> -
> -    <li><p><strong>CVSDude</strong>: free and commercial Subversion
> -            hosting<br/>
> -      <a href="http://www.cvsdude.org/"
> -              >http://www.cvsdude.org/</a></p>
> -
> -      <p><em>"CVSDude is a free CVS server and Subversion server.  We
> -          provide cvs hosting and subversion hosting for software
> -          developers, software teams, graphic artists, project
> -          managers and the like.  You can use your favourite software
> -          client to access our CVS and Subversion servers. Our basic
> -          or `free' service is limited but we do offer commercial
> -          upgrades..."</em></p>
> -    </li>
> -
> -    <li><p><strong>SourceHosting.net</strong>:  commercial Subversion hosting<br/>
> -      <a href="http://www.sourcehosting.net/"
> -              >http://www.sourcehosting.net/</a></p>
> -
> -      <p><em>"SourceHosting.net provides fully-managed Subversion hosting, as well as
> -		Bugzilla and CVS hosting packages. Hourly, secure offsite backups are
> -		included in all of our hosting plans, and add-on tools such as WebSVN and CVSweb
> -		are available as well."</em></p>
> -    </li>
> -
> -    <li><p><strong>wush.net</strong>:  commercial Subversion hosting<br/>
> -      <a href="http://www.wush.net/"
> -              >http://www.wush.net/</a></p>
> -
> -      <p><em>"We provide professional quality Subversion hosting for
> -         individuals and small businesses.  Our plans include a suite
> -         of integrated software designed to complement
> -         Subversion."</em></p>
> -    </li>
> -
> -    <li><p><strong>svn-hosting.com</strong>: commercial Subversion hosting<br/>
> -      <a href="http://www.svn-hosting.com/"
> -              >http://www.svn-hosting.com/</a></p>
> -
> -      <p><em>"svn-hosting.com provides professional subversion hosting.
> -          We offer everything from small repositories to dedicated
> -          subversion servers to provide you a stable backend for your
> -          critical work."</em></p>
> -    </li>
> -
> -    <li><p><strong>ProjectLocker</strong>: commercial Subversion hosting<br/>
> -      <a href="http://www.projectlocker.com/"
> -              >http://www.projectlocker.com/</a></p>
> -
> -      <p><em>"ProjectLocker offers professional Subversion hosting, as
> -          well as additional development process, project management,
> -          and collaboration tools."</em></p>
> -    </li>
> -
> -    <li><p><strong>Gna!</strong>: free hosting for Projects under a
> -        GPL-compatible license<br/>
> -      <a href="https://gna.org/index.php"
> -              >https://gna.org/index.php</a></p>
> -      <p><em>"Gna! project [is] a central point for development, distribution
> -         and maintenance of Libre Software (Free Software) projects."</em></p>
> -    </li>
> -
> -    <li><p><strong>OpenSVN.csie.org</strong>: appears to be a free
> -        Subversion hosting site, with <a
> -        href="http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/">Trac</a> service
> -        available too.<br/>
> -      <a href="https://opensvn.csie.org"
> -              >https://opensvn.csie.org</a></p>
> -      <p><em>[We couldn't find a good description on the site.  If you
> -             find one, <a href="mailto:dev@subversion.tigris.org">let
> -             us know</a>.]</em></p> 
> -    </li>
> -
> -    <li><p><strong>http://www.projxpert.com/</strong>: professional
> -        software project hosting site<br />
> -      <a href="http://www.projxpert.com/"
> -              >http://www.projxpert.com/</a></p>
> -    </li>
> -
> -    <li><p><strong>DevGuard.com</strong>: commercial Subversion hosting<br/>
> -      <a href="http://www.devguard.com/">http://www.devguard.com/</a></p>
> -
> -      <p><em>"DevGuard.com offers commercial Subversion hosting  for
> -          individuals and small businesses.  Secure, encrypted data
> -          transfer, fast network access, easy to use web admin
> -          interface."</em></p>
> -    </li>
> -
> -    <li><p><strong>AVLUX&nbsp;Solutions</strong>:
> -                   commercial Subversion hosting<br/>
> -      <a href="http://www.avlux.net/">http://www.avlux.net/</a></p>
> -
> -      <p><em>"full-service" web hosting, including (among other
> -          things) Subversion repositories and WebSVN.</em></p>
> -    </li>
> -
> -    <li><p><strong>GeekISP</strong>:
> -                   commercial Subversion hosting<br/>
> -      <a href="http://www.geekisp.com/">http://www.geekisp.com/</a></p>
> -
> -      <p><em>"GeekISP includes CVS and SVN repositories with all
> -              accounts."</em></p> 
> -    </li>
> -
> -    <li><p><strong>TextDrive</strong>:
> -                   commercial Subversion hosting<br/>
> -      <a href="http://textdrive.com/">http://textdrive.com/</a></p>
> -
> -      <p><em>Repository hosting services, from shared hosting to fully
> -             managed dedicated server clusters.</em></p> 
> -    </li>
> -
> -  </ul>
> -
> +<p>The Links page has been renamed; this section now lives at
> +<a href="links.html#hosting">links.html#hosting</a>.
>  </div>
>  
>  <div class="h2" id="high-level-tools" title="high-level-tools">
>  <!-- old "high_level_tools" id left for compatibility -->
>  <h2 id="high_level_tools">Higher-level tools that use Subversion</h2>
> -    <ul>
> -      <li><p><b>Trac</b> - Trac is a minimalistic web-based software project
> -        management and bug/issue tracking system. It provides an
> -        interface to revision control systems (Subversion),
> -        an integrated Wiki and convenient report facilities.<br/>
> -        <a href="http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/"
> -                >http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>Subissue</b> - Track issues directly in your 
> -        Subversion repository [<i>in planning stage</i>]<br/>
> -        <a href="http://subissue.tigris.org/"
> -                >http://subissue.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>Subwiki</b><br/>
> -        <a href="http://subwiki.tigris.org/"
> -                >http://subwiki.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>      
> -
> -      <li><p><b>svk</b> - a decentralized version control system based on
> -        subversion<br/>
> -        <a href="http://svk.elixus.org/"
> -                >http://svk.elixus.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>      
> -
> -      <li><p><b>submaster</b> - SubMaster is a system for distributed
> -        software development, based on Subversion.<br/>
> -        <a href="http://www.rocklinux.org/submaster.html"
> -                >http://www.rocklinux.org/submaster.html</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>Codestriker</b> - a free, open-sourced, collaborative
> -        code reviewing system; allows teams of developers using
> -        Subversion (or other SCMs) to create and manage code review
> -        topics.<br/>
> -        <a href="http://codestriker.sourceforge.net/"
> -                >http://codestriker.sourceforge.net/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>Scmbug</b> - integrates software configuration management
> -         with bug-tracking.  It aims to be a universal tool that glues
> -         version control system to bug-tracking systems.<br/>
> -        <a href="http://freshmeat.net/projects/scmbug/"
> -                >http://freshmeat.net/projects/scmbug/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>Collaboa</b> - Repository browser and issue tracker,
> -        similar to Trac.<br/>
> -        <a href="http://collaboa.org/"
> -                >http://collaboa.org</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -    </ul>
> -
> +<p>The Links page has been renamed; this section now lives at
> +<a href="links.html#high-level-tools">links.html#high-level-tools</a>.
>  </div>
>  
>  <div class="h2" id="browsers" title="browsers">
>  <!-- old "repos_browsing" id left for compatibility -->
>  <h2 id="repos_browsing">Repository browsing tools</h2>
> -    <ul>
> -      <li><p><b>SVN::Web</b><br/>
> -        <a href="http://search.cpan.org/~nikc/SVN-Web/lib/SVN/Web.pm"
> -                >http://search.cpan.org/~nikc/SVN-Web/lib/SVN/Web.pm</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>ViewVC (formerly known as ViewCVS)</b><br/>
> -        <a href="http://www.viewvc.org/"
> -                >http://www.viewvc.org/</a><br/>
> -          <i>Note: For Subversion support you need to use a recent 
> -          snapshot from its Subversion repository:</i>
> -          </p>
> -          <pre>  svn&nbsp;checkout&nbsp;--username&nbsp;guest&nbsp;--password&nbsp;guest&nbsp;\
> -    http://viewvc.tigris.org/svn/viewvc/trunk&nbsp;viewvc-trunk</pre>
> -          <p>
> -          See <a href="http://www.baus.net/archives/000069.html"
> -                      >http://www.baus.net/archives/000069.html</a>
> -          for a guide to setting up ViewCVS with Subversion.
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>WebSVN</b><br/>
> -        <a href="http://websvn.tigris.org/"
> -                >http://websvn.tigris.org/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>Insurrection</b> - Web Access to Subversion<br/>
> -        <a href="http://insurrection.tigris.org/"
> -                >http://insurrection.tigris.org/</a><br/>
> -                Repository at <a href="http://svn.sinz.com/svn/Insurrection/"
> -                               >http://svn.sinz.com/svn/Insurrection/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>Chora</b><br/>
> -        <a href="http://www.horde.org/chora/"
> -                >http://www.horde.org/chora/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>SVN::RaWeb::Light</b><br/>
> -        <a href="http://web-cpan.berlios.de/modules/SVN-RaWeb-Light/"
> -                >http://web-cpan.berlios.de/modules/SVN-RaWeb-Light/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>FlexySvn</b><br/>
> -        <a href="http://www.akbkhome.com/blog.php/View/90/FlexySvn.html"
> -                >http://www.akbkhome.com/blog.php/View/90/FlexySvn.html</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>perl_svn</b><br/>
> -        <a href="http://www.osdevel.org/projects/show/16?lang=en"
> -                >http://www.osdevel.org/projects/show/16?lang=en</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>mod_svn_view</b><br/>
> -        <a href="http://www.outoforder.cc/projects/apache/mod_svn_view/"
> -                >http://www.outoforder.cc/projects/apache/mod_svn_view/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -  
> -      <li><p>See also: <b>Trac</b> and <b>Collaboa</b> in the <a
> -        href="#high-level-tools"><i>Higher-level tools</i> section above</a>,
> -        which include repository browsing along with other functionality.
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -    </ul>
> -
> +<p>The Links page has been renamed; this section now lives at
> +<a href="links.html#browsers">links.html#browsers</a>.
>  </div>
>  
>  <div class="h2" id="misc-utils" title="misc-utils">
>  <!-- old "misc_utils" id left for compatibility -->
>  <h2 id="misc_utils">Miscellaneous Utilities</h2>
> -    <ul>
> -      <li><p><b>SVNService</b> - a program used to launch svnserve as a Windows
> -        service.<br/>
> -        <a href="http://dark.clansoft.dk/~mbn/svnservice/"
> -                >http://dark.clansoft.dk/~mbn/svnservice/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>Bugzilla/SVN integration</b> - simple scripts to integrate
> -        <a href="http://www.bugzilla.org/">Bugzilla</a> with Subversion.<br/>
> -        <a href="http://sean-janus.optionpc.com/me/software/bugtraq/"
> -                >http://sean-janus.optionpc.com/me/software/bugtraq/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>JIRA Subversion plugin</b> - A plugin to integrate
> -        <a href="http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/">JIRA</a>
> -        with Subversion.<br/>
> -        <a href="http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRAEXT/JIRA+Subversion+plugin"
> -                >http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRAEXT/JIRA+Subversion+plugin</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>SvnReporter</b> - Python script to generate various
> -         reports from Subversion commits.<br/>
> -      <a href="http://www.calins.ch/software/SvnReporter.html"
> -              >http://www.calins.ch/software/SvnReporter.html</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -      
> -    </ul>
> -
> +<p>The Links page has been renamed; this section now lives at
> +<a href="links.html#misc-utils">links.html#misc-utils</a>.
>  </div>
>  
>  <div class="h2" id="misc-resources" title="misc-resources">
>  <!-- old "misc_resources" id left for compatibility -->
>  <h2 id="misc_resources">Miscellaneous Resources</h2>
> -    <ul>
> -      <li><p><b>Conectiva Linux's Subversion documentation</b>
> -        Very thorough documentation about how one group arranged their
> -        Subversion repository, standardized processes, etc.<br/>
> -        <a href="https://moin.conectiva.com.br/RepositorySystem"
> -                >https://moin.conectiva.com.br/RepositorySystem</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>Subversion source code cross-reference</b><br/>
> -        <a href="http://www.endrun.org/xr/svn/source/"
> -                >http://www.endrun.org/xr/svn/source/</a>
> -      </p></li>
> -
> -    </ul>
> -
> +<p>The Links page has been renamed; this section now lives at
> +<a href="links.html#misc-resources">links.html#misc-resources</a>.
>  </div>
>  
>  <div class="h2" id="articles" title="articles">
>  <h2>Articles and Reviews</h2>
> -
> -    <ul>
> -      <li><p><b>"CVS is out, Subversion is in"</b> 
> -        <i>by Chip Turner</i><br />
> -        <a href="http://www.redhat.com/magazine/010aug05/features/subversion/">
> -          http://www.redhat.com/magazine/010aug05/features/subversion/</a></p>
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>"The Subversion Project: Building a Better CVS"</b> 
> -        <i>by Ben Collins-Sussman</i><br />
> -        <a href="http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4768">
> -          http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4768</a></p>
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>"Single-User Subversion"</b>
> -        <i>by Rafael Garcia-Suarez</i><br />
> -<a href="http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2002/10/31/subversion.html">
> -          http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2002/10/31/subversion.html</a></p>
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>"Multiuser Subversion"</b>
> -        <i>by Rafael Garcia-Suarez</i><br />
> -        <a href="http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/apache/2002/12/19/svn2.html">
> -          http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/apache/2002/12/19/svn2.html</a></p>
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>"Using the Subversion Client API"</b>
> -        <i>by Garrett Rooney</i><br />
> -        Part 1: 
> -<a href="http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/04/24/libsvn1.html">
> -         http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/04/24/libsvn1.html
> -        </a><br />
> -        Part 2: 
> -<a href="http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/05/15/libsvn2.html">
> -       http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/05/15/libsvn2.html</a></p>
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>Subversion articles</b>
> -        <i>by Shlomi Fish</i><br />
> -        <a href="http://better-scm.berlios.de/docs/shlomif-evolution.html">
> -          http://better-scm.berlios.de/docs/shlomif-evolution.html</a><br />
> -<a href="http://better-scm.berlios.de/subversion/compelling_alternative.html">
> -         http://better-scm.berlios.de/subversion/compelling_alternative.html
> -        </a></p>
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>"Subversion for CVS Users"</b>
> -        <i>by Mike Mason</i><br />
> -        <a href="http://osdir.com/Article203.phtml">
> -          http://osdir.com/Article203.phtml</a><br />
> - <a href="http://slashdot.jp/journal.pl?op=display&amp;uid=12&amp;id=200792">
> -          http://slashdot.jp/journal.pl?op=display&amp;uid=12&amp;id=200792</a>
> -          (Japanese translation)</p>
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>"Dispelling Subversion FUD"</b>
> -        <i>by Ben Collins-Sussman</i><br />
> -        <a href="http://www.red-bean.com/sussman/svn-anti-fud.html">
> -          http://www.red-bean.com/sussman/svn-anti-fud.html</a></p>
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>"Debunking BitMover's Subversion Comparison"</b>
> -          <i>by Karl Fogel</i><br />
> -        <a href="http://subversion.tigris.org/bitmover-svn.html"
> -                >http://subversion.tigris.org/bitmover-svn.html</a></p>
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li><p><b>The "Better SCM" version control systems comparison:</b><br />
> -      <a href="http://better-scm.berlios.de/comparison/"
> -              >http://better-scm.berlios.de/comparison/</a></p>
> -      </li>
> -
> -    </ul>
> -
> +<p>The Links page has been renamed; this section now lives at
> +<a href="links.html#articles">links.html#articles</a>.
>  </div>
>  
>  <div class="h2" id="other-links-pages" title="other-links-pages">
>  <!-- old "other_link_pages" id left for compatibility -->
>  <h2 id="other_link_pages">Other Subversion link pages</h2>
> -    <ul>
> -      <li>
> -        <a href="http://www.arhs.net/Computers/Software/ConfigurationManagement/Tools/Subversion/"
> -         >http://www.arhs.net/Computers/Software/ConfigurationManagement/Tools/Subversion/</a>
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li>
> -        <a href="http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Configuration_Management/Tools/Subversion/"
> -         >http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Configuration_Management/Tools/Subversion/</a>
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li>
> -        <a href="http://www.oreillynet.com/search/index.ncsp?sp-k=all&amp;sp-q=subversion"
> -         >http://www.oreillynet.com/search/index.ncsp?sp-k=all&amp;sp-q=subversion</a>
> -      </li>
> -
> -      <li><a href="http://www.linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/scm.html"
> -                  >http://www.linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/scm.html</a>
> -      </li>
> -    </ul>
> -
> +<p>The Links page has been renamed; this section now lives at
> +<a href="links.html#other-links-pages">links.html#other-links-pages</a>.
>  </div>
>  
>  </div>
> 
> Modified: trunk/www/project_tasks.html
> Url: http://svn.collab.net/viewcvs/svn/trunk/www/project_tasks.html?rev=18355&p1=trunk/www/project_tasks.html&p2=trunk/www/project_tasks.html&r1=18354&r2=18355
> ==============================================================================
> --- trunk/www/project_tasks.html	(original)
> +++ trunk/www/project_tasks.html	Mon Feb  6 16:02:27 2006
> @@ -236,7 +236,7 @@
>  "binding surfaces": well-documented APIs that are available not only
>  in C (Subversion's native language) but in other programming languages
>  as well (see the <a
> - href="project_links.html#lang_bindings">complete list</a>).</p>
> + href="links.html#lang_bindings">complete list</a>).</p>
>  
>  <p>Some of these language bindings are maintained via <a
>  href="http://www.swig.org/">SWIG</a>, a tool that partially automates
> 
> Modified: trunk/www/project_tools.html
> Url: http://svn.collab.net/viewcvs/svn/trunk/www/project_tools.html?rev=18355&p1=trunk/www/project_tools.html&p2=trunk/www/project_tools.html&r1=18354&r2=18355
> ==============================================================================
> --- trunk/www/project_tools.html	(original)
> +++ trunk/www/project_tools.html	Mon Feb  6 16:02:27 2006
> @@ -41,7 +41,7 @@
>  <div><a href="http://svn.collab.net/viewcvs/svn/">Version control</a></div>
>  
>  </div><div class="body">
> -<div><a href="/project_links.html">Links</a></div>
> +<div><a href="/links.html">Links</a></div>
>  
>  <div><a href="/testimonials.html">Testimonials</a></div>
>  
> 
> Modified: trunk/www/svn_1.1_releasenotes.html
> Url: http://svn.collab.net/viewcvs/svn/trunk/www/svn_1.1_releasenotes.html?rev=18355&p1=trunk/www/svn_1.1_releasenotes.html&p2=trunk/www/svn_1.1_releasenotes.html&r1=18354&r2=18355
> ==============================================================================
> --- trunk/www/svn_1.1_releasenotes.html	(original)
> +++ trunk/www/svn_1.1_releasenotes.html	Mon Feb  6 16:02:27 2006
> @@ -261,7 +261,7 @@
>  
>  <p>As usual, you can find links to other
>  Subversion-related sites, projects, and essays on our <a
> -href="http://subversion.tigris.org/project_links.html">links
> +href="http://subversion.tigris.org/links.html">links
>  page</a>.</p>
>  
>  </div>
> 
> Modified: trunk/www/testimonials.html
> Url: http://svn.collab.net/viewcvs/svn/trunk/www/testimonials.html?rev=18355&p1=trunk/www/testimonials.html&p2=trunk/www/testimonials.html&r1=18354&r2=18355
> ==============================================================================
> --- trunk/www/testimonials.html	(original)
> +++ trunk/www/testimonials.html	Mon Feb  6 16:02:27 2006
> @@ -24,7 +24,7 @@
>  href="#open-source-projects-using-svn">list of open source projects
>  using Subversion</a> below might help.</p>
>  
> -<p>See also our <a href="project_links.html">links page</a> and our <a
> +<p>See also our <a href="links.html">links page</a> and our <a
>  href="svn-dav-securityspace-survey.html">graph of public Subversion
>  DAV servers</a>.</p>
>  
> 
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Re: svn commit: r18355 - trunk/www

Posted by kf...@collab.net.
Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org> writes:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 10:07:42AM -0600, kfogel@collab.net wrote:
> > Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org> writes:
> > > What was the point of this? This affects web search sites -- they
> > > aren't going to be able to find the information now. And without a
> > > redirect, they aren't going to know to alter their links.
> > 
> > I don't see the problem, maybe I'm missing something?
> > 
> >    - Existing caches and search indexes will send searchers to the old
> >      project_links.html, which simply tells the user to go to the new
> >      links.html.  No problem.
> > 
> >    - Over time, indexes will get updated to point directly to the new
> >      page.  Again, no problem.
> > 
> > What's the scenario you're worried about?
> 
> Introducing that extra step for the user. "Whoop. That's not it. Now
> what... hmm...."
> 
> Obviously, not a big problem :-)  But making users pause, think, and
> click again is an added cost, and I did not see the opposing benefit.
> 
> *shrug*

True, it does introduce that extra step.  But over time all links will
get slowly corrected, and the more intuitive name is better in the
long run.  (We did this for the FAQ a while back, too, FWIW.)

I'm not sure how the actual problem you've described fits with the
sentence "This affects web search sites -- they aren't going to be
able to find the information now." :-).

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Re: svn commit: r18355 - trunk/www

Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org>.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 10:07:42AM -0600, kfogel@collab.net wrote:
> Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org> writes:
> > What was the point of this? This affects web search sites -- they
> > aren't going to be able to find the information now. And without a
> > redirect, they aren't going to know to alter their links.
> 
> I don't see the problem, maybe I'm missing something?
> 
>    - Existing caches and search indexes will send searchers to the old
>      project_links.html, which simply tells the user to go to the new
>      links.html.  No problem.
> 
>    - Over time, indexes will get updated to point directly to the new
>      page.  Again, no problem.
> 
> What's the scenario you're worried about?

Introducing that extra step for the user. "Whoop. That's not it. Now
what... hmm...."

Obviously, not a big problem :-)  But making users pause, think, and
click again is an added cost, and I did not see the opposing benefit.

*shrug*

Cheers,
-g

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Re: svn commit: r18355 - trunk/www

Posted by kf...@collab.net.
Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org> writes:
> What was the point of this? This affects web search sites -- they
> aren't going to be able to find the information now. And without a
> redirect, they aren't going to know to alter their links.

I don't see the problem, maybe I'm missing something?

   - Existing caches and search indexes will send searchers to the old
     project_links.html, which simply tells the user to go to the new
     links.html.  No problem.

   - Over time, indexes will get updated to point directly to the new
     page.  Again, no problem.

What's the scenario you're worried about?

> What was the benefit?

The existing page's name was unintuitive to remember, and longer to
type.  The "project_" prefix carried no information, and was thus
distracting because implying meaning where there is none causes people
to waste their time looking for patterns that aren't there.

-Karl

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