Re: Nested context on ROP proposal

[Andrey Razumovsky <ra...@gmail.com>]

Okay, M5 is now branched, and if noone has objections on API changes, I will
soon commit

2008/11/11, Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@ish.com.au>:
>
>
> On 11/11/2008, at 11:12 PM, Andrey Razumovsky wrote:
>
> Are you suggesting developers to keep same validation on client & server in
>> this case? Well, this means that we prefer first solution - to do nothing
>> :-) Actually I can think of situations when special server validation is
>> needed - e.g. when it takes long time and will be much longer via ROP.
>>
>
> Absolutely we need to be able to keep them separate. Sometimes. But because
> client and server entity classes aren't in the same inheritance tree, it is
> really hard to share the 90% of validation code which is identical.
>
> In our application, we validate on each keystroke, allowing us to
> enable/disable the save button and implement nice GUI warnings. Obviously
> this needs to be really fast on the client. And so there is more validation
> on the server which does not exist on the client. But we've been bitten
> sometimes by not keeping the two in sync where they should be.
>
>
> Still, I agree and think we should leave this as 'known limitation'.
>> In fact, beside this problem, I've already implemented nested contexts
>> and
>> hopefully will commit after M5 is released.
>>
>
> Terrific! I can definitely say we'll be able to give it a solid workout
> here.
>
>
> Andrey, you might like to add the special limitations to be aware of on
> this page and a note about it being available in M6:
>
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAYDOC/Nested+DataContexts
>
> I know it is slightly premature, but I'm very excited :-)
>
>
> Ari
>
>
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Re: Nested context on ROP proposal

[Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>]

Please go ahead. Trunk is open for new development for a couple of  
weeks now.

Cheers,
Andrus

On Dec 8, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Andrey Razumovsky wrote:

> Okay, M5 is now branched, and if noone has objections on API  
> changes, I will
> soon commit
>
> 2008/11/11, Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@ish.com.au>:
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/2008, at 11:12 PM, Andrey Razumovsky wrote:
>>
>> Are you suggesting developers to keep same validation on client &  
>> server in
>>> this case? Well, this means that we prefer first solution - to do  
>>> nothing
>>> :-) Actually I can think of situations when special server  
>>> validation is
>>> needed - e.g. when it takes long time and will be much longer via  
>>> ROP.
>>>
>>
>> Absolutely we need to be able to keep them separate. Sometimes. But  
>> because
>> client and server entity classes aren't in the same inheritance  
>> tree, it is
>> really hard to share the 90% of validation code which is identical.
>>
>> In our application, we validate on each keystroke, allowing us to
>> enable/disable the save button and implement nice GUI warnings.  
>> Obviously
>> this needs to be really fast on the client. And so there is more  
>> validation
>> on the server which does not exist on the client. But we've been  
>> bitten
>> sometimes by not keeping the two in sync where they should be.
>>
>>
>> Still, I agree and think we should leave this as 'known limitation'.
>>> In fact, beside this problem, I've already implemented nested  
>>> contexts
>>> and
>>> hopefully will commit after M5 is released.
>>>
>>
>> Terrific! I can definitely say we'll be able to give it a solid  
>> workout
>> here.
>>
>>
>> Andrey, you might like to add the special limitations to be aware  
>> of on
>> this page and a note about it being available in M6:
>>
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAYDOC/Nested+DataContexts
>>
>> I know it is slightly premature, but I'm very excited :-)
>>
>>
>> Ari
>>
>>
>>
>> -------------------------->
>> ish
>> http://www.ish.com.au
>> Level 1, 30 Wilson Street Newtown 2042 Australia
>> phone +61 2 9550 5001   fax +61 2 9550 4001
>> GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C  5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
>>
>>
>>