about svk

[Chia-liang Kao <cl...@clkao.org>]

I didn't ignore any request about the name change; if you have seen the
README, I explicitly mention that: "all things are subject to change,
including project name, binary name, perl module namespaces, depot
spec, etc."

The point about potential confusion was taken, altough I have never used
nor even seen bitkeeper myself.

I just can't make naming stop myself from doing interesting real works.

Cheers,
CLK

On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 02:41, kfogel@collab.net wrote:
> By the way, I hate to have to do this, but it is necessary to point
> out (publicly) that I and several other developers have explicitly
> asked clkao, several times, *not* to call it SubversionKeeper, because
> that's too close to "BitKeeper", which is a trademark of BitMover Inc.
> 
> To call his product SubversionKeeper implies some sort of connection;
> to some it might even falsely imply some sort of endorsement or
> approval by BitMover.
> 
> I hope he changes the name.  But in the event that he does not, I need
> to make it clear that the name is entirely his decision, that we have
> no control over it, and in particular that all of the CollabNet
> developers have tried to get him to change it.  We will never
> distribute svk or anything related to it as long as it has this name,
> which we feel is confusingly close to BitKeeper's.
> 
> Our inability to enforce BitMover's trademarks on others should not be
> taken as an endorsement of any infringements that may occur.
> 
> Clear? :-)
> 
> To be utterly, *completely* legally safe here: -1 on any of those
> custom props appearing in our tree until the name is changed.  (Not
> the name of the prop, but the name of the software that produced them,
> that is.  To store the props might be taken as an implicit endorsement
> of their source.)


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Re: about svk

[pm...@users.sourceforge.net]

> <off-topic>
> Heh, and note that "svn" is the 3-letter ISO 3166 code for Slovenia, and
> "svk" is the same for Slovakia, and everybody keeps mixing up these two
> countries. It's not as if they even had a common border or anything. :-)
> </off-topic>
And in the middle of those two is austria - so the next part of 
subversion-rules-the-world would be called "at", except that's already taken 
:-) ??



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Re: about svk

[Branko Čibej <br...@xbc.nu>]

Chia-liang Kao wrote:

>sounds perfectly reasonable to me - could also do re-expand in the
>future if someone comes up a nice name. I'm quite used to type "svk" in
>command line now.
>  
>

<off-topic>
Heh, and note that "svn" is the 3-letter ISO 3166 code for Slovenia, and
"svk" is the same for Slovakia, and everybody keeps mixing up these two
countries. It's not as if they even had a common border or anything. :-)
</off-topic>

-- 
Brane Čibej   <br...@xbc.nu>   http://www.xbc.nu/brane/


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Re: about svk

[Files <fi...@poetryunlimited.com>]

FWIW, the svk repository is termporary hosed. Berkely DB is reporting errors.
-- 
Shamim Islam
BA BS

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Re: about svk

[Steve Williams <st...@kromestudios.com>]

svk = Souvlaki?

Sly


> svd is all on the same hand instead of two hands. :-D
>
> No? Not a good idea?
>
> SubversionDistributor????
>
> Or is that too lame???
>
> I had thought of SubversionDistributed, but that's not as catchy I don't
think.
>
> What do you all think????????
>
> I mean, I don't really care. But if copyright is an issue, we still need a
> catchy way to hook the minds of the masses. :)
>
> --
> Shamim Islam
> BA BS


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Re: about svk

[Files <fi...@poetryunlimited.com>]

svd is all on the same hand instead of two hands. :-D

No? Not a good idea?

SubversionDistributor????

Or is that too lame???

I had thought of SubversionDistributed, but that's not as catchy I don't think.

What do you all think????????

I mean, I don't really care. But if copyright is an issue, we still need a
catchy way to hook the minds of the masses. :)

-- 
Shamim Islam
BA BS


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Re: about svk

[Chia-liang Kao <cl...@clkao.org>]

On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 04:44, Greg Hudson wrote:
> If this were a copyright issue, that would matter.  But for a trademark
> issue, it doesn't matter even a little bit.

but people are paranoid (and it's probably good to be) *sigh*

> > I just can't make naming stop myself from doing interesting real works.
> 
> My suggestion: expunge all references to "subversionkeeper" from the web
> page, documentation, and source code comments.  The program's name is
> "svk" which, like "KFC," doesn't stand for anything.  I think that
> should avoid any issues of confusing similarity.

sounds perfectly reasonable to me - could also do re-expand in the
future if someone comes up a nice name. I'm quite used to type "svk" in
command line now.

Cheers,
CLK

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Re: about svk

[Greg Hudson <gh...@MIT.EDU>]

On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 15:04, Chia-liang Kao wrote:
> The point about potential confusion was taken, altough I have never used
> nor even seen bitkeeper myself.

If this were a copyright issue, that would matter.  But for a trademark
issue, it doesn't matter even a little bit.

> I just can't make naming stop myself from doing interesting real works.

My suggestion: expunge all references to "subversionkeeper" from the web
page, documentation, and source code comments.  The program's name is
"svk" which, like "KFC," doesn't stand for anything.  I think that
should avoid any issues of confusing similarity.


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Re: about svk

[Files <fi...@poetryunlimited.com>]

Chia-liang Kao said:
> I didn't ignore any request about the name change; if you have seen the
> README, I explicitly mention that: "all things are subject to change,
> including project name, binary name, perl module namespaces, depot
> spec, etc."
>
> The point about potential confusion was taken, altough I have never used
> nor even seen bitkeeper myself.

BitKeeper is popular enough that even the Linux Kernal has been using it for a
while now. Unless that's recently changed.

> I just can't make naming stop myself from doing interesting real works.

>> To be utterly, *completely* legally safe here: -1 on any of those
>> custom props appearing in our tree until the name is changed.  (Not
>> the name of the prop, but the name of the software that produced them,
>> that is.  To store the props might be taken as an implicit endorsement
>> of their source.)


SubversionDistributor?

And svd?

I mean, isn't that really what it is?

It's really not a keeper of anything is it.

-- 
Shamim Islam
BA BS


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Re: about svk

[kf...@collab.net]

Chia-liang Kao <cl...@clkao.org> writes:
> I didn't ignore any request about the name change; if you have seen the
> README, I explicitly mention that: "all things are subject to change,
> including project name, binary name, perl module namespaces, depot
> spec, etc."

Sorry, Chia-Liang, I didn't mean to accuse you of ignoring us.  I was
just pointing out that the name had not (so far as we know) actually
changed, and that therefore we have to be careful.

> The point about potential confusion was taken, altough I have never used
> nor even seen bitkeeper myself.

Understood.  But that's not the issue in an identity dispute.

> I just can't make naming stop myself from doing interesting real works.

Huh?  No one's asking you to do that.

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