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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com> on 2012/10/04 10:56:54 UTC
[VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes"
Unfortunately, there is no interaction design tool
around that is officially supporting Apache Flex.
Please vote to approve the assumption (in the subject):
[ ] +1 I approve it
[ ] -1 I veto it
Sincerely Yours,
Sebastian Mohr
Apache Flex Developer (PPMC),
Interaction Designer & Musician
http://www.linkedin.com/in/masuland
RE: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for
Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Posted by Stakesoft <ma...@stakesoft.com>.
Only about 80% of the email on this whole topic of Flex are about the DV - not enough interest maybe.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Campos [mailto:jonbcampos@gmail.com]
Sent: 04 October 2012 15:17
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Michael Schmalle <ap...@teotigraphix.com>wrote:
> I'm not voting on this but, I understand the tension here, I would bet a
> great deal of money on the effort put into getting Adobe to release source
> code for FC or the Visual Editor of FB is never going to happen. Alex in
> his own way has hinted at this in a couple of emails.
>
> Why this thread even exists is beyond me Sabatian, didn't the thread about
> creating a visual designer that exists and was being talked about between 2
> involved committers kind of preempt this?
>
> Before anybody goes bashing me, just note I am not putting an ounce of
> hope or thought into FlashCatalyst or FlashBuilder's DesignView becoming
> Apache Flex's design view savior.
>
> In the eternal words of those that don't like to waste time, cut your
> losses and move on.
>
While I don't agree with the tone I do agree that I don't see a point to
this poll. If you want a visual editor start building it. If people like it
then it will be picked up. It's that simple.
--
Jonathan Campos
Re: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Posted by Yvon Sauvageau <ys...@yahoo.com>.
There was nothing wrong with your tone. And as you put it, there was no tone
at all.
Yvon
-----Original message-----
From: Michael Schmalle <ap...@teotigraphix.com>
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Thu, Oct 4, 2012 15:20:12 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for
Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Since my tone was being questioned, how am I as a volunteer supposed
to react to a statement like this?
"
I still doubt, though, that this designing and skinning tool, you are
proposing, can be created by one person alone. If the Adobe Catalyst
team couldn't finish Flash Catalyst within 4 years of development, how
could you possibly do that just on your own?
"
Who says I am working alone in the Apache Flex project? How did the
conversation between Om, I and others prompt a statement like this?
Mike
Quoting Michael Schmalle <ap...@teotigraphix.com>:
> Quoting Jonathan Campos <jo...@gmail.com>:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Michael Schmalle
>> <ap...@teotigraphix.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not voting on this but, I understand the tension here, I would bet a
>>> great deal of money on the effort put into getting Adobe to release
source
>>> code for FC or the Visual Editor of FB is never going to happen. Alex in
>>> his own way has hinted at this in a couple of emails.
>>>
>>> Why this thread even exists is beyond me Sabatian, didn't the thread
about
>>> creating a visual designer that exists and was being talked about
between 2
>>> involved committers kind of preempt this?
>>>
>>> Before anybody goes bashing me, just note I am not putting an ounce of
>>> hope or thought into FlashCatalyst or FlashBuilder's DesignView becoming
>>> Apache Flex's design view savior.
>>>
>>> In the eternal words of those that don't like to waste time, cut your
>>> losses and move on.
>>>
>>
>> While I don't agree with the tone I do agree that I don't see a point to
>> this poll. If you want a visual editor start building it. If people like
it
>> then it will be picked up. It's that simple.
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Campos
>>
>
> There is really no tone, it more coming from the fact that there is
> a conversation about solving a problem, he doesn't want to be
> involved in solving that problem from the perspective of what people
> can do that are involved with the Apache Flex project.
>
> That survey existed 10 months ago and nothing has changed, we only
> have Alex basically saying no way, no how 10 months later.
>
> Sabatian, I did catch one of your comments regarding our "design
> view" project and you basically said with a couple people involved
> it's impossible and that is why you are continuing the push to get
> FlashCatalyst in CS7 or whatever version you said.
>
> The way I see it is there are major circuits and cross talk
> happening and it's diluting the substance of trying to solve a
> problem.
>
> Mike
>
> --
Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC
http://www.teotigraphix.com
http://blog.teotigraphix.com
Re: [POLL] tag
Posted by FORMER 03 | Robert Brendler <ro...@former03.de>.
+0
I've been using Flex for a while now and must admint I never really used
DV, because whenever I opened it, some of my custom components weren't
displayed right or manipulating an object by mouse destroyed some of my
percentage widths somewhere in the code, also dragging new components
into the right container was always a bit fiddly when you got a couple
of nested containers, I found developing components in separate small
apps and hack-build-run cycles to be actually faster than searching and
fixing changes in my code that DV left unnoticed.
Eventually I found it more productive to do the design first e.g. in
photoshop, then chop it into pieces that I convert to V and HGroups,
apply some svgs/fxgs from e.g. illustrator and that's it. I never saw
the point in purchasing and getting used to an extra piece of software
(namely catalyst), because I am just faster with the other tools.
When comparing this workflow to some other work I have done with
html-js-css and a proper inspector like firebug there are worlds in
between. You edit and refresh the browser, or even do life changes, no
compile needed. Something like resizing components in firebug by up/down
keys is what you want when playing with fluid components, but did DV
work like that without messing something up, I don't know, never got
that far. I imagine coding such functionality from scratch if Adobe does
not contribute would be quite some effort.
Throwing in some ideas ... please edit or correct if I am bullshitting
... I would go with the flash wrapper for the ide (e.g. eclipse), but
only for passing ide specific variables such as project paths and the
resizing of the wrapped application. Coding the whole layout new in java
or sth would just be way too much and add a whole new project named
"mimic the flex layout with java". Also as stated before we are
targeting flex/flash developers who are more likely to contribute than
java developers. In order to handle native drop events from other (e.g.
eclipse) views, it should be an air app that is able to pick them up.
The design view itself would just be a big empty drop-area. On occurance
of a drop event from outside, a factory would analyze the drop and
create an according element and wire it as sub-drop-area automatically.
This way it would even be a (limited) clickable dummy. Eventually a
crawler goes over the object tree and returns it formatted as mxml or
sync it as view model with other detail/property/library views through a
socket connection. Dropping in custom components would require some
dynamic library loading of the app. ... etc ... etc ...
I'd really love to contribute, but I suppose neither my employer nor my
wife will grant me enough time to do so.
Cheers,
Rob
On 05.10.2012 02:37, Jonathan Campos wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Michael Schmalle
> <ap...@teotigraphix.com>wrote:
>
>> Since my tone was being questioned, how am I as a volunteer supposed to
>> react to a statement like this?
>
>
> Sorry if I offended. I wasn't meaning the tone was negative, just didn't
> seem hopeful. I feel that it can be built, it just takes people interested
> in it. I will admit that I don't really miss design view, but that is just
> me.
>
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Re: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for
Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Posted by Jonathan Campos <jo...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Michael Schmalle
<ap...@teotigraphix.com>wrote:
> Since my tone was being questioned, how am I as a volunteer supposed to
> react to a statement like this?
Sorry if I offended. I wasn't meaning the tone was negative, just didn't
seem hopeful. I feel that it can be built, it just takes people interested
in it. I will admit that I don't really miss design view, but that is just
me.
--
Jonathan Campos
Re: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for
Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Posted by Michael Schmalle <ap...@teotigraphix.com>.
Since my tone was being questioned, how am I as a volunteer supposed
to react to a statement like this?
"
I still doubt, though, that this designing and skinning tool, you are
proposing, can be created by one person alone. If the Adobe Catalyst
team couldn't finish Flash Catalyst within 4 years of development, how
could you possibly do that just on your own?
"
Who says I am working alone in the Apache Flex project? How did the
conversation between Om, I and others prompt a statement like this?
Mike
Quoting Michael Schmalle <ap...@teotigraphix.com>:
> Quoting Jonathan Campos <jo...@gmail.com>:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Michael Schmalle
>> <ap...@teotigraphix.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not voting on this but, I understand the tension here, I would bet a
>>> great deal of money on the effort put into getting Adobe to release source
>>> code for FC or the Visual Editor of FB is never going to happen. Alex in
>>> his own way has hinted at this in a couple of emails.
>>>
>>> Why this thread even exists is beyond me Sabatian, didn't the thread about
>>> creating a visual designer that exists and was being talked about between 2
>>> involved committers kind of preempt this?
>>>
>>> Before anybody goes bashing me, just note I am not putting an ounce of
>>> hope or thought into FlashCatalyst or FlashBuilder's DesignView becoming
>>> Apache Flex's design view savior.
>>>
>>> In the eternal words of those that don't like to waste time, cut your
>>> losses and move on.
>>>
>>
>> While I don't agree with the tone I do agree that I don't see a point to
>> this poll. If you want a visual editor start building it. If people like it
>> then it will be picked up. It's that simple.
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Campos
>>
>
> There is really no tone, it more coming from the fact that there is
> a conversation about solving a problem, he doesn't want to be
> involved in solving that problem from the perspective of what people
> can do that are involved with the Apache Flex project.
>
> That survey existed 10 months ago and nothing has changed, we only
> have Alex basically saying no way, no how 10 months later.
>
> Sabatian, I did catch one of your comments regarding our "design
> view" project and you basically said with a couple people involved
> it's impossible and that is why you are continuing the push to get
> FlashCatalyst in CS7 or whatever version you said.
>
> The way I see it is there are major circuits and cross talk
> happening and it's diluting the substance of trying to solve a
> problem.
>
> Mike
>
> --
Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC
http://www.teotigraphix.com
http://blog.teotigraphix.com
Re: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for
Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Posted by Michael Schmalle <ap...@teotigraphix.com>.
Quoting Jonathan Campos <jo...@gmail.com>:
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Michael Schmalle
> <ap...@teotigraphix.com>wrote:
>
>> I'm not voting on this but, I understand the tension here, I would bet a
>> great deal of money on the effort put into getting Adobe to release source
>> code for FC or the Visual Editor of FB is never going to happen. Alex in
>> his own way has hinted at this in a couple of emails.
>>
>> Why this thread even exists is beyond me Sabatian, didn't the thread about
>> creating a visual designer that exists and was being talked about between 2
>> involved committers kind of preempt this?
>>
>> Before anybody goes bashing me, just note I am not putting an ounce of
>> hope or thought into FlashCatalyst or FlashBuilder's DesignView becoming
>> Apache Flex's design view savior.
>>
>> In the eternal words of those that don't like to waste time, cut your
>> losses and move on.
>>
>
> While I don't agree with the tone I do agree that I don't see a point to
> this poll. If you want a visual editor start building it. If people like it
> then it will be picked up. It's that simple.
>
> --
> Jonathan Campos
>
There is really no tone, it more coming from the fact that there is a
conversation about solving a problem, he doesn't want to be involved
in solving that problem from the perspective of what people can do
that are involved with the Apache Flex project.
That survey existed 10 months ago and nothing has changed, we only
have Alex basically saying no way, no how 10 months later.
Sabatian, I did catch one of your comments regarding our "design view"
project and you basically said with a couple people involved it's
impossible and that is why you are continuing the push to get
FlashCatalyst in CS7 or whatever version you said.
The way I see it is there are major circuits and cross talk happening
and it's diluting the substance of trying to solve a problem.
Mike
--
Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC
http://www.teotigraphix.com
http://blog.teotigraphix.com
Re: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for
Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
On 10/4/12 7:16 AM, "Jonathan Campos" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> While I don't agree with the tone I do agree that I don't see a point to
> this poll. If you want a visual editor start building it. If people like it
> then it will be picked up. It's that simple.
I think it is fair for those who don't have the time or skills to build
something to ask for it. I would prefer that this request be done in JIRA
and have folks vote for it.
Catalyst was really hard. Something like DV is probably more possible, but
it depends on what the key requirements are.
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for
Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Posted by Jonathan Campos <jo...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Michael Schmalle <ap...@teotigraphix.com>wrote:
> I'm not voting on this but, I understand the tension here, I would bet a
> great deal of money on the effort put into getting Adobe to release source
> code for FC or the Visual Editor of FB is never going to happen. Alex in
> his own way has hinted at this in a couple of emails.
>
> Why this thread even exists is beyond me Sabatian, didn't the thread about
> creating a visual designer that exists and was being talked about between 2
> involved committers kind of preempt this?
>
> Before anybody goes bashing me, just note I am not putting an ounce of
> hope or thought into FlashCatalyst or FlashBuilder's DesignView becoming
> Apache Flex's design view savior.
>
> In the eternal words of those that don't like to waste time, cut your
> losses and move on.
>
While I don't agree with the tone I do agree that I don't see a point to
this poll. If you want a visual editor start building it. If people like it
then it will be picked up. It's that simple.
--
Jonathan Campos
Re: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for
Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Posted by Roland Zwaga <ro...@stackandheap.com>.
> I'm not voting on this but, I understand the tension here, I would bet a
> great deal of money on the effort put into getting Adobe to release source
> code for FC or the Visual Editor of FB is never going to happen. Alex in
> his own way has hinted at this in a couple of emails.
>
> Why this thread even exists is beyond me Sabatian, didn't the thread about
> creating a visual designer that exists and was being talked about between 2
> involved committers kind of preempt this?
>
> Before anybody goes bashing me, just note I am not putting an ounce of
> hope or thought into FlashCatalyst or FlashBuilder's DesignView becoming
> Apache Flex's design view savior.
>
> In the eternal words of those that don't like to waste time, cut your
> losses and move on.
>
I'm afraid I agree with Mike here. Adobe has already indicated that Flash
Catalyst is EOL-ed, I really don't see any real chance that they will
change their minds...
Roland
Re: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
Flash Builder is not an Apache project. Apache Flex has very little or no say in what Adobe does with Flash Builder. While there are a few Adobe folk on this list having a poll about design view is not going to get them to add it back into Flash Builder any time soon. Sorry that's just how it is.
It was hoped that Adobe would open source the design view but I can't see that happening. This isn't new news we've known that design view was going to be dropped from Flash Builder for more than 6 months now.
I have preferred that Adobe keep design view as it's a useful tool, but they didn't. The choice as far as I see it:
1. Come up with our own design plugin/tool
2. Use another IDE
I think a stand alone AIR designer would be possible if enough people (designers and developers) contributed.
On a similar track does anyone remember the old Flex 2/3 component explorers and style explorers, they were quite useful IMO. Anyone know if the source code is available and has a compatible licence?
There was some talk a while back about open sourcing Tour de Flex anyone know if progress has been made here?
Thanks,
Justin
RE: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for
Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Posted by Stakesoft <ma...@stakesoft.com>.
+1 DV
Cut my losses and move on - yes quite, I agree this is just futile, we are never going to be able to dev a DV, it's just a waste of time. I'll cut my losses of over a years' worth of learning and developing dozens of commercial apps written in flex and move direction to excel plugin's or fitting kitchens maybe.
To say the rug has been pulled from under my feet and great deal of others feet is a massive understatement - a lot of us are DESIGNERS and code some stuff behind it to make it work and be cool. Adobe make design software, no DV to some is fine for some but the others is ridiculous.
This thread exists because we are gutted for the loss of the DV.
Adobe are not looking after the SDK or DV and charging the same for the IDE, very nice for them - get ready for the backfire! And get ready for FB to descend to the low status of those other non DV IDE's that nobody uses.
O look the next Dreamweaver has no design view - can you even imagine a more stupid decision.
GOODBY!
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apache@teotigraphix.com]
Sent: 04 October 2012 14:44
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
I'm not voting on this but, I understand the tension here, I would bet
a great deal of money on the effort put into getting Adobe to release
source code for FC or the Visual Editor of FB is never going to
happen. Alex in his own way has hinted at this in a couple of emails.
Why this thread even exists is beyond me Sabatian, didn't the thread
about creating a visual designer that exists and was being talked
about between 2 involved committers kind of preempt this?
Before anybody goes bashing me, just note I am not putting an ounce of
hope or thought into FlashCatalyst or FlashBuilder's DesignView
becoming Apache Flex's design view savior.
In the eternal words of those that don't like to waste time, cut your
losses and move on.
Mike
Quoting Charles Monteiro <ch...@gmail.com>:
> Got it.
>
> +1
> On Oct 4, 2012 9:30 AM, "Charles Monteiro" <ch...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry how exactly do I cast my vote for this poll ?
>> On Oct 4, 2012 7:22 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Bertrand,
>>>
>>> I have added the [POLL] tag to the "Getting Started" - Page
>>> of the Apache Flex wiki. Haven't been mentioned there before ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely Yours,
>>>
>>> Sebastian Mohr
>>> Apache Flex Developer (PPMC),
>>> Interaction Designer & Musician
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/masuland
>>>
>>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Getting+Started
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> ...Please vote to approve the assumption (in the subject):...
>>> >
>>> > Note that the [VOTE] subject tag is meant for decisions made by a
>>> > project's PMC, in this case a [POLL] would have been more appropriate.
>>> > People who only care about [VOTE]s might complain ;-)
>>> >
>>> > No big deal, just wanted to mention it.
>>> >
>>> > -Bertrand
>>>
>>>
>
--
Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC
http://www.teotigraphix.com
http://blog.teotigraphix.com
Re: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for
Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Posted by Michael Schmalle <ap...@teotigraphix.com>.
I'm not voting on this but, I understand the tension here, I would bet
a great deal of money on the effort put into getting Adobe to release
source code for FC or the Visual Editor of FB is never going to
happen. Alex in his own way has hinted at this in a couple of emails.
Why this thread even exists is beyond me Sabatian, didn't the thread
about creating a visual designer that exists and was being talked
about between 2 involved committers kind of preempt this?
Before anybody goes bashing me, just note I am not putting an ounce of
hope or thought into FlashCatalyst or FlashBuilder's DesignView
becoming Apache Flex's design view savior.
In the eternal words of those that don't like to waste time, cut your
losses and move on.
Mike
Quoting Charles Monteiro <ch...@gmail.com>:
> Got it.
>
> +1
> On Oct 4, 2012 9:30 AM, "Charles Monteiro" <ch...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry how exactly do I cast my vote for this poll ?
>> On Oct 4, 2012 7:22 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Bertrand,
>>>
>>> I have added the [POLL] tag to the "Getting Started" - Page
>>> of the Apache Flex wiki. Haven't been mentioned there before ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely Yours,
>>>
>>> Sebastian Mohr
>>> Apache Flex Developer (PPMC),
>>> Interaction Designer & Musician
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/masuland
>>>
>>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Getting+Started
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> ...Please vote to approve the assumption (in the subject):...
>>> >
>>> > Note that the [VOTE] subject tag is meant for decisions made by a
>>> > project's PMC, in this case a [POLL] would have been more appropriate.
>>> > People who only care about [VOTE]s might complain ;-)
>>> >
>>> > No big deal, just wanted to mention it.
>>> >
>>> > -Bertrand
>>>
>>>
>
--
Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC
http://www.teotigraphix.com
http://blog.teotigraphix.com
Re: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for
Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Posted by Charles Monteiro <ch...@gmail.com>.
Got it.
+1
On Oct 4, 2012 9:30 AM, "Charles Monteiro" <ch...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Sorry how exactly do I cast my vote for this poll ?
> On Oct 4, 2012 7:22 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Bertrand,
>>
>> I have added the [POLL] tag to the "Getting Started" - Page
>> of the Apache Flex wiki. Haven't been mentioned there before ;)
>>
>>
>> Sincerely Yours,
>>
>> Sebastian Mohr
>> Apache Flex Developer (PPMC),
>> Interaction Designer & Musician
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/masuland
>>
>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Getting+Started
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> ...Please vote to approve the assumption (in the subject):...
>> >
>> > Note that the [VOTE] subject tag is meant for decisions made by a
>> > project's PMC, in this case a [POLL] would have been more appropriate.
>> > People who only care about [VOTE]s might complain ;-)
>> >
>> > No big deal, just wanted to mention it.
>> >
>> > -Bertrand
>>
>>
Re: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for
Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Posted by Charles Monteiro <ch...@gmail.com>.
Sorry how exactly do I cast my vote for this poll ?
On Oct 4, 2012 7:22 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Bertrand,
>
> I have added the [POLL] tag to the "Getting Started" - Page
> of the Apache Flex wiki. Haven't been mentioned there before ;)
>
>
> Sincerely Yours,
>
> Sebastian Mohr
> Apache Flex Developer (PPMC),
> Interaction Designer & Musician
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/masuland
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Getting+Started
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> ...Please vote to approve the assumption (in the subject):...
> >
> > Note that the [VOTE] subject tag is meant for decisions made by a
> > project's PMC, in this case a [POLL] would have been more appropriate.
> > People who only care about [VOTE]s might complain ;-)
> >
> > No big deal, just wanted to mention it.
> >
> > -Bertrand
>
>
AW: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for
Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Posted by "christofer.dutz@c-ware.de" <ch...@c-ware.de>.
+1
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Von: Sebastian Mohr [mailto:masuland@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Oktober 2012 13:22
An: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Betreff: [POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Thanks Bertrand,
I have added the [POLL] tag to the "Getting Started" - Page of the Apache Flex wiki. Haven't been mentioned there before ;)
Sincerely Yours,
Sebastian Mohr
Apache Flex Developer (PPMC),
Interaction Designer & Musician
http://www.linkedin.com/in/masuland
[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Getting+Started
On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...Please vote to approve the assumption (in the subject):...
>
> Note that the [VOTE] subject tag is meant for decisions made by a
> project's PMC, in this case a [POLL] would have been more appropriate.
> People who only care about [VOTE]s might complain ;-)
>
> No big deal, just wanted to mention it.
>
> -Bertrand
[POLL] tag (was: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes")
Posted by Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Bertrand,
I have added the [POLL] tag to the "Getting Started" - Page
of the Apache Flex wiki. Haven't been mentioned there before ;)
Sincerely Yours,
Sebastian Mohr
Apache Flex Developer (PPMC),
Interaction Designer & Musician
http://www.linkedin.com/in/masuland
[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Getting+Started
On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...Please vote to approve the assumption (in the subject):...
>
> Note that the [VOTE] subject tag is meant for decisions made by a
> project's PMC, in this case a [POLL] would have been more appropriate.
> People who only care about [VOTE]s might complain ;-)
>
> No big deal, just wanted to mention it.
>
> -Bertrand
Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for Apache Flex, the more
attractive Apache Flex becomes"
Posted by Kéven Boily <kb...@tribalnova.com>.
That makes me think about Monster Debugger (http://demonsterdebugger.com/).
That's one of my favorite external tool when debugging. Of course you have
to use it in conjonction with your code, but it's a simple swc to include
and a one line init call.
The tutorial is really awesome, I suggest you try it out!
*
Kéven Boily*
Développeur
*tribalnova*
4398, boul. Saint-Laurent, bureau 310
Montréal, Québec H2W 1Z5
kboily@tribalnova.com
www.tribalnova.com
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Frédéric THOMAS <we...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> +1Note: A friend of mine wrote a visual tool in Flex 3 that's able to read
> and modified the properties and styles of a running application, actually,
> the actual use of this tools is to be integrated in a application but with
> little changes, that could be the application that could be loaded in the
> tool.I modified it recently to make it work with the SDK 4.8 and modules, I
> also mavenized it.The project and code can be found here
> http://code.google.com/p/fxspy/ (that's the Flex 3 version, my work
> hasn't been re-integrated yet to be tested and the tests are good then it
> should happen soon).May be you can have some interests using this base code
> to do something at design time, this license is WTFPL, probably the more
> permissive.
> Frédéric THOMAS
> > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 11:50:28 +0200
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for Apache Flex, the
> more attractive Apache Flex becomes"
> > From: bdelacretaz@apache.org
> > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > ...Please vote to approve the assumption (in the subject):...
> >
> > Note that the [VOTE] subject tag is meant for decisions made by a
> > project's PMC, in this case a [POLL] would have been more appropriate.
> > People who only care about [VOTE]s might complain ;-)
> >
> > No big deal, just wanted to mention it.
> >
> > -Bertrand
>
RE: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for Apache Flex, the more
attractive Apache Flex becomes"
Posted by Frédéric THOMAS <we...@hotmail.com>.
+1Note: A friend of mine wrote a visual tool in Flex 3 that's able to read and modified the properties and styles of a running application, actually, the actual use of this tools is to be integrated in a application but with little changes, that could be the application that could be loaded in the tool.I modified it recently to make it work with the SDK 4.8 and modules, I also mavenized it.The project and code can be found here http://code.google.com/p/fxspy/ (that's the Flex 3 version, my work hasn't been re-integrated yet to be tested and the tests are good then it should happen soon).May be you can have some interests using this base code to do something at design time, this license is WTFPL, probably the more permissive.
Frédéric THOMAS
> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 11:50:28 +0200
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for Apache Flex, the more attractive Apache Flex becomes"
> From: bdelacretaz@apache.org
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...Please vote to approve the assumption (in the subject):...
>
> Note that the [VOTE] subject tag is meant for decisions made by a
> project's PMC, in this case a [POLL] would have been more appropriate.
> People who only care about [VOTE]s might complain ;-)
>
> No big deal, just wanted to mention it.
>
> -Bertrand
Re: [VOTE] "The more designer tools exist for Apache Flex, the more
attractive Apache Flex becomes"
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Sebastian Mohr <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...Please vote to approve the assumption (in the subject):...
Note that the [VOTE] subject tag is meant for decisions made by a
project's PMC, in this case a [POLL] would have been more appropriate.
People who only care about [VOTE]s might complain ;-)
No big deal, just wanted to mention it.
-Bertrand