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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by eric b <er...@free.fr> on 2011/12/04 19:14:26 UTC
Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
Hi,
After I tested awesome Armin's work on Mac OS X (build broken on
Windows due to gnumake issue) , I blogged about this nice feature to
come :-)
Links :
Current blog entry : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Full link : http://eric.bachard.org/news/index.php?post/2011/12/03/In-
progress-%3A-native-support-of-the-SVG-graphic-format-in-Apache-
OpenOffice.org
Thanks in advance to spread the word !
Eric Bachard
P.S. : I got Mac Intel versions for testing purpose. Contact me in
private if you are interested. Windows build should follow, but
somebody seriously broken the build (probably yet another gnumake4 mess)
--
qɔᴉɹə
Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
Posted by Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com>.
On Tuesday 06 Dec 2011 14:09:53 Terry wrote:
> I was able to re-tweet, nothing more. The reddit link got a page
> displaying the message "there doesn't seem to be anything here."
>
> This piecemeal approach I think is ineffective. What would be much better
> is a 'news' page where such items as Eric Bachard's blog can be mentioned
> and linked, similar to the technique which has been used by
> tuxmachines.org for years. I follow that site because it gathers material
> from many sources relating to subjects which interest me.
>
> Ideally, one would be able to get a news feed from such a page. I note
> that the AOO blog is virtually dormant. It could be an entry on a news
> page with some worthwhile material; on its own, it is not worth following.
>
>
> Regards, Terry
Piecemeal is indeed ineffective outside of "the choir". In order to reach a
wider audience any announcement has to have some wow factor. Proprietary
folks get over the "feature leak" with the vapourware concept.
So use the SVG support as a lever to get a broader message out.
Let's talk about AOO 4.0 and the features and improvements that we will be
launching with that.
We need to ask/answer a few questions: what are devs working on right now,
(other than IP clearance)? What itches are being scratched? What are the
communities desires in terms of a feature set? In the perfect universe, what
will be the sum of all the new features that will launch with AOO 4.0.0.?
Offer up an approx target date, say Q3 2012.
Put that together as a release so that we build anticipation and then mention
in passing that there will be a 3.4 release which will indeed have the SVG
support. Add: "Please use and send feedback." with links to the user forums.
Name names: "Armin Legrand's SVG hack" show a community that recognises it's
people's efforts.
Some will say "They'll never do it", "It's just vapour." Others will be
cheering our ambitions. Either way there will be anticipation and a
conversation..
Cheers
GL
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Cc: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
> > Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache
> > OpenOffice.org
> >
> >T hanks for the blog post, Eric.
> >
> > If anyone wants to help spread the good news, here are some links to
> > share and/or promote:
> >
> > Blog post:
> > http://eric.bachard.org/news/index.php?post/2011/12/03/In-progress-%3A-na
> > tive-support-of-the-SVG-graphic-format-in-Apache-OpenOffice.org
> >
> > Google+:
> > https://plus.google.com/u/0/110021943609888508798/posts/SXE4jRYeB38
> >
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/rcweir/statuses/143674439442243584
> >
> > Reddit:
> > http://www.reddit.com/r/openoffice/comments/n11yh/in_progress_native_supp
> > ort_of_the_svg_graphic/
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:14 PM, eric b <er...@free.fr> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> After I tested awesome Armin's work on Mac OS X (build broken on
> >
> > Windows due
> >
> >> to gnumake issue) , I blogged about this nice feature to come :-)
> >>
> >> Links :
> >> Current blog entry : http://eric.bachard.org/news
> >
> >> Full link :
> > http://eric.bachard.org/news/index.php?post/2011/12/03/In-progress-%3A-na
> > tive-support-of-the-SVG-graphic-format-in-Apache-OpenOffice.org
> >
> >> Thanks in advance to spread the word !
> >>
> >>
> >> Eric Bachard
> >>
> >>
> >> P.S. : I got Mac Intel versions for testing purpose. Contact me in
> >> private if you are interested. Windows build should follow, but
> >> somebody seriously broken the build (probably yet another gnumake4
> >> mess)
> >>
> >> --
> >> qɔᴉɹə
> >> Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
> >> L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
> >> Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
RE: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in
Apache OpenOffice.org)
Posted by drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>.
On Wed, 2011-12-07 at 13:01 -0800, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> Well, then there's the age-old question: "is all publicity good publicity?"
>
> I don't like paper.li much (mostly because they attribute RTs to me rather than the original tweeter), but here's publicity of a sort: <http://paper.li/baseanswers/1318559392>.
>
> That was found via Google+ to here: <http://lo-portal.us/aoo/>. More about that here: <https://plus.google.com/?tab=XX#100933269401814278228/posts>. And for ODF too: <http://lo-portal.us/>.
>
> And all because this fun guy is in my circles: <https://plus.google.com/?tab=XX#111286111779516013881/posts>.
>
> - Dennis, still attempting to figure out what LO-client is and whether it has anything to do with LightsOut.
Hi Dennis,
Ah, well let's start with your last question - why the name lo-portal
and why .us on the end of it?
briefly:
Why lo-portal?
(L)ibreOffice (O)penoffice.org Portal ( a web site offering content from
multiple services, some will be local [original] and some [most at
first, perhaps always] will be aggregations of, or unique [hopefully]
views of publicly available data).
Why the .us?
Early on, in the great openoffice.org fork of LibreOffice, one of the
OO.o community members in Germany, who historically ran a number of OO.o
focused web sites, launched lo-portal.de. I liked the name lo-portal,
and felt that I would possibly want to do something similar for the USA.
I registered the domain name (and .com BTW), then promptly sat on my
hands for the part of a year - while considering if the LO would really
stand for (L)ibre(O)ffice, to which I can say with certainty that if the
transfer to ASF had not happened it would of.
[**NOTE** there is no relationship, of any kind, between the websites
lo-portal.de and lo-portal.us. I know the owner but only in the most
cursory of ways.]
Ok - You picked up on the fact, I think, the site is taking a definite
branch approach to projects/organizations.
lo-portal.us/ just a bunch of jump points currently, but displays a data
stream focused on ODF, the standard and all the technology products
supporting it. [just a paper.il for the moment But you need to start
somwhere, yes?] This will continue to be the focus for the landing page.
lo-portal.us/aoo {OpenOffice.org/Apache OpenOffice}
lo-portal.us/libo {LibreOffice/TDF}
Paper.il - there are three papers that I'm actively working now:
The LibreOffice Daily
The Apache OpenOffice Daily
The ODF World News
I think for details on the paper I need like to start a new thread - I
do have questions/requests for the group as a whole, and need to ask
permission I think to use the branding elements I so blithely
incorporated. ( one exception: I can't control the attribution style
used by the service, so I'll pass on discussing the specific merits of
that - though I'll send along the address you could use to contact the
people that could make a change :)
Speaking of branding elements I also need to pass the use on the
lo-portal/aoo page - which I planned to do in a response to Graham on
the AOO Logo thread - but since we are here...
For the moment let's keep this simple - I want to use an Apache
OpenOffice branding of some type on the aoo page there. For the first
two page updates I used the design I proposed for an AOO logo - as much
to give a point of reference for everyone to review as anything. So, I
would gladly change to something else, maybe the OO.o logo, maybe just
the text Apache OpenOffice(tm) or maybe something else - simply put I'll
abide by any decision from the project as to what is acceptable on third
party sites.
The first day it was just the logo, currently, my plan was to generate a
series of 'plaques' for the page, one each week for the next 4 weeks -
the plaques incorporate the branding elements for AOO and OO.o.
So the first one represents my furtherance to the idea of 'blending' the
two cultures, Apache and OO.o - what I went with was something that, to
me at least, is iconic to Native American culture, the dream catcher.
Anyway - I'll follow up on the thread on the logo with a reply to
Grahams last email.
Thanks
//drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:41
> To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org)
>
> I agree, there are two layers to achievement of visibility.
>
> First there is the authoring and even aggregation of interesting material about Apache OpenOffice.
>
> Blogging, with RSS feeds and syndication notifications, is probably the lowest-friction authoring case that provides easy commentary and replication. (Wikis are lower friction but don't disseminate so well. YouTube, on the other hand, is a whole different story.)
>
> Then there is chatter via Twitter (my authoring tool does that automatically) and other syndications: Linked In, Facebook, Google+, etc. These can broaden the interest and extend the conversation. With trackbacks from posts of others, it can become very interesting.
>
> And for starters, someone has to give themselves permission to say something interesting somewhere that provides the ground for visibility and is easy to publish to.
>
> - Dennis
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:33
> To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org)
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> <de...@acm.org> wrote:
> > An useful low-friction case, for starters, would be use of the OOOUSER Community Wiki. It is archived and it permits comments.
> >
> > There is also the Roller aggregator. I have been too lazy to figure out how to set up a blog category that has a separate RSS feed that goes into the aggregator, but any committer can do that and create a news stream. That takes care of the RSS and it puts it on the Apache site in the Roller aggregation. (I forget the correct name for that.)
> >
> > Also, this moribund blog site that Terry complains about still has the second-highest number of hits among the Apache Roller blogs. Those are coming from somewhere.
> >
>
> Partially due to my efforts to cross-promote. For example, the blog
> post on the forum migration was linked to on a Twitter tweet, and then
> retweeted 7 times. That brought a reach of over 2000 users. I can
> also see (thank you, bit.ly) that from Twitter it was posted onto
> Facebook and then shared further.
>
> Again, we can diddle with Roller all we want, but unless you have a
> connection to Facebook, Twitter and Google+ almost no one is going to
> see our posts. Think of Roller as a publication platform, but don't
> expect that it generates its own audience.
>
> -Rob
>
>
RE: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org)
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
Well, then there's the age-old question: "is all publicity good publicity?"
I don't like paper.li much (mostly because they attribute RTs to me rather than the original tweeter), but here's publicity of a sort: <http://paper.li/baseanswers/1318559392>.
That was found via Google+ to here: <http://lo-portal.us/aoo/>. More about that here: <https://plus.google.com/?tab=XX#100933269401814278228/posts>. And for ODF too: <http://lo-portal.us/>.
And all because this fun guy is in my circles: <https://plus.google.com/?tab=XX#111286111779516013881/posts>.
- Dennis, still attempting to figure out what LO-client is and whether it has anything to do with LightsOut.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:41
To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org)
I agree, there are two layers to achievement of visibility.
First there is the authoring and even aggregation of interesting material about Apache OpenOffice.
Blogging, with RSS feeds and syndication notifications, is probably the lowest-friction authoring case that provides easy commentary and replication. (Wikis are lower friction but don't disseminate so well. YouTube, on the other hand, is a whole different story.)
Then there is chatter via Twitter (my authoring tool does that automatically) and other syndications: Linked In, Facebook, Google+, etc. These can broaden the interest and extend the conversation. With trackbacks from posts of others, it can become very interesting.
And for starters, someone has to give themselves permission to say something interesting somewhere that provides the ground for visibility and is easy to publish to.
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:33
To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org)
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<de...@acm.org> wrote:
> An useful low-friction case, for starters, would be use of the OOOUSER Community Wiki. It is archived and it permits comments.
>
> There is also the Roller aggregator. I have been too lazy to figure out how to set up a blog category that has a separate RSS feed that goes into the aggregator, but any committer can do that and create a news stream. That takes care of the RSS and it puts it on the Apache site in the Roller aggregation. (I forget the correct name for that.)
>
> Also, this moribund blog site that Terry complains about still has the second-highest number of hits among the Apache Roller blogs. Those are coming from somewhere.
>
Partially due to my efforts to cross-promote. For example, the blog
post on the forum migration was linked to on a Twitter tweet, and then
retweeted 7 times. That brought a reach of over 2000 users. I can
also see (thank you, bit.ly) that from Twitter it was posted onto
Facebook and then shared further.
Again, we can diddle with Roller all we want, but unless you have a
connection to Facebook, Twitter and Google+ almost no one is going to
see our posts. Think of Roller as a publication platform, but don't
expect that it generates its own audience.
-Rob
Re: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org)
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> I suppose one's point of view is based on observation. I spend little time on the likes of Twitter and Facebook. I still have accounts on stumbleupon, digg and slashdot. Are they still in the game?
>
Digg and Slashdot can drive big traffic. I've had content from my
blog on Slashdot a few times, and you can easily get 50,000 - 100,000
visits from that, plus additional traffic from follow up articles.
But obviously only a small number of posts get prominent positions
there, and they tend to be ones that break news of broader interest,
are controversial, or both. If we have a blog post that coincides
with our 3.4 release, it may have that kind of interest, especially if
we also have a good story for what we want to do in future releases as
well.
>
> What I see happening (because of where I look) is reporters, commentators and bloggers picking up a news item and writing about it. Not infrequently, the first article or blog entry will be followed by a commentary by another writer. The story gains currency by being reported or discussed on one or more of many sites which focus on software. Such articles are also mentioned on forums.
>
That happens still, but Twitter and Google+ are so much easier that
many people are sharing small stories or reposting things that way
rather than writing a blog post.
Of course, this is not an exclusive either/or thing. Many blog
platforms allow you to add "Tweet me" buttons, Google+ buttons, etc.
>
> A link which Dennis posted on the users' list ( http://stackoverflow.com/q/8418354 ) and the links which Rob posted recently on this list are worth publicising. I suppose the point I wanted to make is that they are worthy of more publicity than they get on the mailing lists. It's all very well for a few people on the lists to tweet or google+ and I don't decry efforts like that. I would just like to see something which can be picked up by more people, meaning people involved in the project and interested observers.
>
> I replied to the question on stackoverflow by suggesting a post in the community forums.
>
> By the way, I did not intend to complain about the blog, merely to observe that in practice it is an underused asset.
>
An accurate observation. So what can we do about it?
We need topics and we need authors, and maybe we need editors.
I tried to set up a wiki page to collect ideas and for people to sign
up. The idea was to create a pipeline of blogs posts so we have a
steady stream of them. But when I made that proposal I received
nothing but grief. Evidently, overt attempts at coordination are
anathema at Apache.
-Rob
> Regards, Terry
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org>
>> To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 6:40 AM
>> Subject: RE: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org)
>>
>> I agree, there are two layers to achievement of visibility.
>>
>> First there is the authoring and even aggregation of interesting material about
>> Apache OpenOffice.
>>
>> Blogging, with RSS feeds and syndication notifications, is probably the
>> lowest-friction authoring case that provides easy commentary and replication.
>> (Wikis are lower friction but don't disseminate so well. YouTube, on the
>> other hand, is a whole different story.)
>>
>> Then there is chatter via Twitter (my authoring tool does that automatically)
>> and other syndications: Linked In, Facebook, Google+, etc. These can broaden
>> the interest and extend the conversation. With trackbacks from posts of others,
>> it can become very interesting.
>>
>> And for starters, someone has to give themselves permission to say something
>> interesting somewhere that provides the ground for visibility and is easy to
>> publish to.
>>
>> - Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:33
>> To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache
>> OpenOffice.org)
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
>> <de...@acm.org> wrote:
>>> An useful low-friction case, for starters, would be use of the OOOUSER
>> Community Wiki. It is archived and it permits comments.
>>>
>>> There is also the Roller aggregator. I have been too lazy to figure out
>> how to set up a blog category that has a separate RSS feed that goes into the
>> aggregator, but any committer can do that and create a news stream. That takes
>> care of the RSS and it puts it on the Apache site in the Roller aggregation. (I
>> forget the correct name for that.)
>>>
>>> Also, this moribund blog site that Terry complains about still has the
>> second-highest number of hits among the Apache Roller blogs. Those are coming
>> from somewhere.
>>>
>>
>> Partially due to my efforts to cross-promote. For example, the blog
>> post on the forum migration was linked to on a Twitter tweet, and then
>> retweeted 7 times. That brought a reach of over 2000 users. I can
>> also see (thank you, bit.ly) that from Twitter it was posted onto
>> Facebook and then shared further.
>>
>> Again, we can diddle with Roller all we want, but unless you have a
>> connection to Facebook, Twitter and Google+ almost no one is going to
>> see our posts. Think of Roller as a publication platform, but don't
>> expect that it generates its own audience.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
Re: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org)
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
I suppose one's point of view is based on observation. I spend little time on the likes of Twitter and Facebook. I still have accounts on stumbleupon, digg and slashdot. Are they still in the game?
What I see happening (because of where I look) is reporters, commentators and bloggers picking up a news item and writing about it. Not infrequently, the first article or blog entry will be followed by a commentary by another writer. The story gains currency by being reported or discussed on one or more of many sites which focus on software. Such articles are also mentioned on forums.
A link which Dennis posted on the users' list ( http://stackoverflow.com/q/8418354 ) and the links which Rob posted recently on this list are worth publicising. I suppose the point I wanted to make is that they are worthy of more publicity than they get on the mailing lists. It's all very well for a few people on the lists to tweet or google+ and I don't decry efforts like that. I would just like to see something which can be picked up by more people, meaning people involved in the project and interested observers.
I replied to the question on stackoverflow by suggesting a post in the community forums.
By the way, I did not intend to complain about the blog, merely to observe that in practice it is an underused asset.
Regards, Terry
----- Original Message -----
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org>
> To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 6:40 AM
> Subject: RE: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org)
>
> I agree, there are two layers to achievement of visibility.
>
> First there is the authoring and even aggregation of interesting material about
> Apache OpenOffice.
>
> Blogging, with RSS feeds and syndication notifications, is probably the
> lowest-friction authoring case that provides easy commentary and replication.
> (Wikis are lower friction but don't disseminate so well. YouTube, on the
> other hand, is a whole different story.)
>
> Then there is chatter via Twitter (my authoring tool does that automatically)
> and other syndications: Linked In, Facebook, Google+, etc. These can broaden
> the interest and extend the conversation. With trackbacks from posts of others,
> it can become very interesting.
>
> And for starters, someone has to give themselves permission to say something
> interesting somewhere that provides the ground for visibility and is easy to
> publish to.
>
> - Dennis
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:33
> To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache
> OpenOffice.org)
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> <de...@acm.org> wrote:
>> An useful low-friction case, for starters, would be use of the OOOUSER
> Community Wiki. It is archived and it permits comments.
>>
>> There is also the Roller aggregator. I have been too lazy to figure out
> how to set up a blog category that has a separate RSS feed that goes into the
> aggregator, but any committer can do that and create a news stream. That takes
> care of the RSS and it puts it on the Apache site in the Roller aggregation. (I
> forget the correct name for that.)
>>
>> Also, this moribund blog site that Terry complains about still has the
> second-highest number of hits among the Apache Roller blogs. Those are coming
> from somewhere.
>>
>
> Partially due to my efforts to cross-promote. For example, the blog
> post on the forum migration was linked to on a Twitter tweet, and then
> retweeted 7 times. That brought a reach of over 2000 users. I can
> also see (thank you, bit.ly) that from Twitter it was posted onto
> Facebook and then shared further.
>
> Again, we can diddle with Roller all we want, but unless you have a
> connection to Facebook, Twitter and Google+ almost no one is going to
> see our posts. Think of Roller as a publication platform, but don't
> expect that it generates its own audience.
>
> -Rob
>
RE: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org)
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
I agree, there are two layers to achievement of visibility.
First there is the authoring and even aggregation of interesting material about Apache OpenOffice.
Blogging, with RSS feeds and syndication notifications, is probably the lowest-friction authoring case that provides easy commentary and replication. (Wikis are lower friction but don't disseminate so well. YouTube, on the other hand, is a whole different story.)
Then there is chatter via Twitter (my authoring tool does that automatically) and other syndications: Linked In, Facebook, Google+, etc. These can broaden the interest and extend the conversation. With trackbacks from posts of others, it can become very interesting.
And for starters, someone has to give themselves permission to say something interesting somewhere that provides the ground for visibility and is easy to publish to.
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:33
To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org)
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<de...@acm.org> wrote:
> An useful low-friction case, for starters, would be use of the OOOUSER Community Wiki. It is archived and it permits comments.
>
> There is also the Roller aggregator. I have been too lazy to figure out how to set up a blog category that has a separate RSS feed that goes into the aggregator, but any committer can do that and create a news stream. That takes care of the RSS and it puts it on the Apache site in the Roller aggregation. (I forget the correct name for that.)
>
> Also, this moribund blog site that Terry complains about still has the second-highest number of hits among the Apache Roller blogs. Those are coming from somewhere.
>
Partially due to my efforts to cross-promote. For example, the blog
post on the forum migration was linked to on a Twitter tweet, and then
retweeted 7 times. That brought a reach of over 2000 users. I can
also see (thank you, bit.ly) that from Twitter it was posted onto
Facebook and then shared further.
Again, we can diddle with Roller all we want, but unless you have a
connection to Facebook, Twitter and Google+ almost no one is going to
see our posts. Think of Roller as a publication platform, but don't
expect that it generates its own audience.
-Rob
Re: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org)
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<de...@acm.org> wrote:
> An useful low-friction case, for starters, would be use of the OOOUSER Community Wiki. It is archived and it permits comments.
>
> There is also the Roller aggregator. I have been too lazy to figure out how to set up a blog category that has a separate RSS feed that goes into the aggregator, but any committer can do that and create a news stream. That takes care of the RSS and it puts it on the Apache site in the Roller aggregation. (I forget the correct name for that.)
>
> Also, this moribund blog site that Terry complains about still has the second-highest number of hits among the Apache Roller blogs. Those are coming from somewhere.
>
Partially due to my efforts to cross-promote. For example, the blog
post on the forum migration was linked to on a Twitter tweet, and then
retweeted 7 times. That brought a reach of over 2000 users. I can
also see (thank you, bit.ly) that from Twitter it was posted onto
Facebook and then shared further.
Again, we can diddle with Roller all we want, but unless you have a
connection to Facebook, Twitter and Google+ almost no one is going to
see our posts. Think of Roller as a publication platform, but don't
expect that it generates its own audience.
-Rob
RE: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org)
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
An useful low-friction case, for starters, would be use of the OOOUSER Community Wiki. It is archived and it permits comments.
There is also the Roller aggregator. I have been too lazy to figure out how to set up a blog category that has a separate RSS feed that goes into the aggregator, but any committer can do that and create a news stream. That takes care of the RSS and it puts it on the Apache site in the Roller aggregation. (I forget the correct name for that.)
Also, this moribund blog site that Terry complains about still has the second-highest number of hits among the Apache Roller blogs. Those are coming from somewhere.
So there are many CTR opportunities here. It still takes willing and active authors or curators or whatever they choose to be. Both of those are lower-friction than what it takes to post on the AOOo incubator blog. (The friction there is the draft and review process along with what it takes to be permitted to author there in the first place. It doesn't qualify as a Naked Conversation.)
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:54
To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org)
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:41 AM, Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
<snip>
>
> I am heartened to learn that creating a news page would be easy. Presumably the only reason it doesn't exist is that no one is authorised and able to create it.
>
There are several ways to do it, depending on how fancy you want to do it.
One way would just be to have a static webpage which any committer can
edit. We add new stories to the top of the page. When the page gets
too long we delete the oldest news stories. This would be a manual
process, but could work fine for centralized control with a low
activity level, e.g., a couple of stories a day, but not a couple of
stories an hour.
Another way would be to put these updates into a structured form. such
as Atom or RSS feed items. By putting them in this form, it is easier
for other applications, such as news readers, planet aggregators,
etc., to work with them. We could also automate things like posting
the most recent X stories on the project's home page.
The "problem" with both of these approaches is that they lack social
interaction. They don't like the equivalent of Facebook's "like" or
Google+'s +1 or Twitters RT. They don't have the ability for readers
to comment, share or promote the stories. It is a very 2001 way of
doing things.
That is our challenge, I think. Creating a new web "destination" for
users to come to is very difficult. Even if we have a central place
to author and publish stories, and can do that very efficiently, the
information is only valuable if we can get users to come to our news
site. And that is very difficult.
In some ways there are only four real sources of news on the internet
today: Facebook, Twitter, Google+ and email. If we're not connecting
with users via one or more of those mechanisms then we're probably not
connecting.
This doesn't mean that have a project blog or news site is bad thing.
It could be a very good thing. But it is only half of the story. We
also need an efficient way to cross-promote these stories via
Facebook, Twitter, etc. This includes through "official" brand
accounts on those services, as well as via our personal accounts.
> If "getting users to visit that news source is nearly impossible," why should a blog fare any better, especially when there is no content there. A news page can pull in articles and other items from many sources. The blog is limited to those rare occasions when some authorised person has time to write and something to report.
>
To reiterate: there are two questions: How do we author and publish
"official" content from the project? And how do we drive users to
that content? We probably want a simple solution for the first
question, one that everyone on the project can use. But for the 2nd
question we might need a variety of techniques if we want to maximize
our reach.
-Rob
> Regards, Terry
Re: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org)
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:41 AM, Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
<snip>
>
> I am heartened to learn that creating a news page would be easy. Presumably the only reason it doesn't exist is that no one is authorised and able to create it.
>
There are several ways to do it, depending on how fancy you want to do it.
One way would just be to have a static webpage which any committer can
edit. We add new stories to the top of the page. When the page gets
too long we delete the oldest news stories. This would be a manual
process, but could work fine for centralized control with a low
activity level, e.g., a couple of stories a day, but not a couple of
stories an hour.
Another way would be to put these updates into a structured form. such
as Atom or RSS feed items. By putting them in this form, it is easier
for other applications, such as news readers, planet aggregators,
etc., to work with them. We could also automate things like posting
the most recent X stories on the project's home page.
The "problem" with both of these approaches is that they lack social
interaction. They don't like the equivalent of Facebook's "like" or
Google+'s +1 or Twitters RT. They don't have the ability for readers
to comment, share or promote the stories. It is a very 2001 way of
doing things.
That is our challenge, I think. Creating a new web "destination" for
users to come to is very difficult. Even if we have a central place
to author and publish stories, and can do that very efficiently, the
information is only valuable if we can get users to come to our news
site. And that is very difficult.
In some ways there are only four real sources of news on the internet
today: Facebook, Twitter, Google+ and email. If we're not connecting
with users via one or more of those mechanisms then we're probably not
connecting.
This doesn't mean that have a project blog or news site is bad thing.
It could be a very good thing. But it is only half of the story. We
also need an efficient way to cross-promote these stories via
Facebook, Twitter, etc. This includes through "official" brand
accounts on those services, as well as via our personal accounts.
> If "getting users to visit that news source is nearly impossible," why should a blog fare any better, especially when there is no content there. A news page can pull in articles and other items from many sources. The blog is limited to those rare occasions when some authorised person has time to write and something to report.
>
To reiterate: there are two questions: How do we author and publish
"official" content from the project? And how do we drive users to
that content? We probably want a simple solution for the first
question, one that everyone on the project can use. But for the 2nd
question we might need a variety of techniques if we want to maximize
our reach.
-Rob
> Regards, Terry
Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org)
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
Comments interlineated.
----- Original Message -----
> From: Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 3:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>> <snip>
>
>> This piecemeal approach I think is ineffective. What would be much better
> is a 'news' page where such items as Eric Bachard's blog can be
> mentioned and linked, similar to the technique which has been used by
> tuxmachines.org for years. I follow that site because it gathers material from
> many sources relating to subjects which interest me.
>>
>> Ideally, one would be able to get a news feed from such a page. I note
> that the AOO blog is virtually dormant. It could be an entry on a news page
> with some worthwhile material; on its own, it is not worth following.
>>
>
> There are two parts to this: the message and the distribution of the
> message. For messages we can have quick, ad-hoc bits of information
> we want to get out, up to longer article length pieces. I'd expect
> that shorter bits of information could come from anyone at any time.
>
> For distribution we have a few things:
>
> -- project blog. This is official, but currently has almost zero
> visibility. I'd think of it as a way of the project making
> semi-official statements, but more work would need to be done to
> direct traffic to the blog.
Quite apart from 'visibility' there is virtually no activity on the project blog.
>
> <snip>
>
> So creating a new "destination" for news stories related to AOO is
> easy. Getting users to visit that news source is nearly impossible.
> I think that any successful outreach will need to rely on some
> coordination among the official distribution channels (project blog),
> the personal social networks of PPMC members and the OOo-branded
> social network accounts. Right now this coordination is done
> informally and rather poorly. Certainly room for improvement.
>
> -Rob
>
I am heartened to learn that creating a news page would be easy. Presumably the only reason it doesn't exist is that no one is authorised and able to create it.
If "getting users to visit that news source is nearly impossible," why should a blog fare any better, especially when there is no content there. A news page can pull in articles and other items from many sources. The blog is limited to those rare occasions when some authorised person has time to write and something to report.
Regards, Terry
Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> I was able to re-tweet, nothing more. The reddit link got a page displaying the message "there doesn't seem to be anything here."
>
Hmmm... works for me. Anyone else?
> This piecemeal approach I think is ineffective. What would be much better is a 'news' page where such items as Eric Bachard's blog can be mentioned and linked, similar to the technique which has been used by tuxmachines.org for years. I follow that site because it gathers material from many sources relating to subjects which interest me.
>
> Ideally, one would be able to get a news feed from such a page. I note that the AOO blog is virtually dormant. It could be an entry on a news page with some worthwhile material; on its own, it is not worth following.
>
There are two parts to this: the message and the distribution of the
message. For messages we can have quick, ad-hoc bits of information
we want to get out, up to longer article length pieces. I'd expect
that shorter bits of information could come from anyone at any time.
For distribution we have a few things:
-- project blog. This is official, but currently has almost zero
visibility. I'd think of it as a way of the project making
semi-official statements, but more work would need to be done to
direct traffic to the blog.
-- personal blogs, social media -- several of us have blogs or other
means of out reach, within our person control, that have a reach that
far exceeds the project blog or our mailing lists. I see this as a
way of amplifying the messages we want to get out.
-- semi-official social media accounts. There are "OpenOffice"
Twitter, Facebook, Google+ accounts that are run by individuals, but
not currently under control of the PPMC. They have a broad audience,
but are not coordinated with the rest of the project.
So creating a new "destination" for news stories related to AOO is
easy. Getting users to visit that news source is nearly impossible.
I think that any successful outreach will need to rely on some
coordination among the official distribution channels (project blog),
the personal social networks of PPMC members and the OOo-branded
social network accounts. Right now this coordination is done
informally and rather poorly. Certainly room for improvement.
-Rob
>
> Regards, Terry
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
>>
>>T hanks for the blog post, Eric.
>>
>> If anyone wants to help spread the good news, here are some links to
>> share and/or promote:
>>
>> Blog post:
>> http://eric.bachard.org/news/index.php?post/2011/12/03/In-progress-%3A-native-support-of-the-SVG-graphic-format-in-Apache-OpenOffice.org
>>
>> Google+: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110021943609888508798/posts/SXE4jRYeB38
>>
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/rcweir/statuses/143674439442243584
>>
>> Reddit:
>> http://www.reddit.com/r/openoffice/comments/n11yh/in_progress_native_support_of_the_svg_graphic/
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:14 PM, eric b <er...@free.fr> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> After I tested awesome Armin's work on Mac OS X (build broken on
>> Windows due
>>> to gnumake issue) , I blogged about this nice feature to come :-)
>>>
>>> Links :
>>> Current blog entry : http://eric.bachard.org/news
>>> Full link :
>>>
>> http://eric.bachard.org/news/index.php?post/2011/12/03/In-progress-%3A-native-support-of-the-SVG-graphic-format-in-Apache-OpenOffice.org
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance to spread the word !
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Bachard
>>>
>>>
>>> P.S. : I got Mac Intel versions for testing purpose. Contact me in private
>>> if you are interested. Windows build should follow, but somebody seriously
>>> broken the build (probably yet another gnumake4 mess)
>>>
>>> --
>>> qɔᴉɹə
>>> Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
>>> L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
>>> Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
I was able to re-tweet, nothing more. The reddit link got a page displaying the message "there doesn't seem to be anything here."
This piecemeal approach I think is ineffective. What would be much better is a 'news' page where such items as Eric Bachard's blog can be mentioned and linked, similar to the technique which has been used by tuxmachines.org for years. I follow that site because it gathers material from many sources relating to subjects which interest me.
Ideally, one would be able to get a news feed from such a page. I note that the AOO blog is virtually dormant. It could be an entry on a news page with some worthwhile material; on its own, it is not worth following.
Regards, Terry
----- Original Message -----
> From: Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
>
>T hanks for the blog post, Eric.
>
> If anyone wants to help spread the good news, here are some links to
> share and/or promote:
>
> Blog post:
> http://eric.bachard.org/news/index.php?post/2011/12/03/In-progress-%3A-native-support-of-the-SVG-graphic-format-in-Apache-OpenOffice.org
>
> Google+: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110021943609888508798/posts/SXE4jRYeB38
>
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/rcweir/statuses/143674439442243584
>
> Reddit:
> http://www.reddit.com/r/openoffice/comments/n11yh/in_progress_native_support_of_the_svg_graphic/
>
> -Rob
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:14 PM, eric b <er...@free.fr> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> After I tested awesome Armin's work on Mac OS X (build broken on
> Windows due
>> to gnumake issue) , I blogged about this nice feature to come :-)
>>
>> Links :
>> Current blog entry : http://eric.bachard.org/news
>> Full link :
>>
> http://eric.bachard.org/news/index.php?post/2011/12/03/In-progress-%3A-native-support-of-the-SVG-graphic-format-in-Apache-OpenOffice.org
>>
>> Thanks in advance to spread the word !
>>
>>
>> Eric Bachard
>>
>>
>> P.S. : I got Mac Intel versions for testing purpose. Contact me in private
>> if you are interested. Windows build should follow, but somebody seriously
>> broken the build (probably yet another gnumake4 mess)
>>
>> --
>> qɔᴉɹə
>> Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
>> L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
>> Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
Thanks for the blog post, Eric.
If anyone wants to help spread the good news, here are some links to
share and/or promote:
Blog post: http://eric.bachard.org/news/index.php?post/2011/12/03/In-progress-%3A-native-support-of-the-SVG-graphic-format-in-Apache-OpenOffice.org
Google+: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110021943609888508798/posts/SXE4jRYeB38
Twitter: http://twitter.com/rcweir/statuses/143674439442243584
Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/openoffice/comments/n11yh/in_progress_native_support_of_the_svg_graphic/
-Rob
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:14 PM, eric b <er...@free.fr> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After I tested awesome Armin's work on Mac OS X (build broken on Windows due
> to gnumake issue) , I blogged about this nice feature to come :-)
>
> Links :
> Current blog entry : http://eric.bachard.org/news
> Full link :
> http://eric.bachard.org/news/index.php?post/2011/12/03/In-progress-%3A-native-support-of-the-SVG-graphic-format-in-Apache-OpenOffice.org
>
> Thanks in advance to spread the word !
>
>
> Eric Bachard
>
>
> P.S. : I got Mac Intel versions for testing purpose. Contact me in private
> if you are interested. Windows build should follow, but somebody seriously
> broken the build (probably yet another gnumake4 mess)
>
> --
> qɔᴉɹə
> Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
> L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
> Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
Posted by Michael Stahl <ms...@openoffice.org>.
On 04/12/11 21:27, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> Last build breaker I've seen has been found by Andrew, in ucpp. You can
> see it in a clean build, if you do build --all in ucpp.
> On the other hand, I've experienced some random crashes with cygwin's
> make, again unrelated to source code changes.
cygwin ships GNU make 3.81, which suffers from bug 20033, which is
triggered by some of the gbuild stuff if built with -jN for N>1
(ironically i think what triggers it is the response-file stuff that
writes command lines that are "too long" to temp files, which is only
needed on Windows anyway...)
iirc GNU make 3.82 has some performance regression (it stats files
unnecessarily), which is barely noticed on Unix but makes it rather slow
on Windows.
somebody from the LO community built this binary, which is said to be both
fast and crash-free, perhaps you should try it out:
http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/bin/cygwin/make
regards,
michael
Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
Posted by Mathias Bauer <Ma...@gmx.net>.
Am 04.12.2011 21:27, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile:
> On Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 07:14:26PM +0100, eric b wrote:
>> P.S. : I got Mac Intel versions for testing purpose. Contact me in
>> private if you are interested. Windows build should follow, but
>> somebody seriously broken the build (probably yet another gnumake4
>> mess)
>
> nobody has integrated anything from cws gnumake4. You can look at
> the history of solenv/gbuild files, and changes there have been rather
> small. So your build is broken due to other reasons.
>
> Last build breaker I've seen has been found by Andrew, in ucpp. You can
> see it in a clean build, if you do build --all in ucpp.
> On the other hand, I've experienced some random crashes with cygwin's
> make, again unrelated to source code changes.
The original Cygwin make is version 3.81 and has a concurrency problem.
This was fixed in make 3.82, but this version is not available on
Cygwin. Besides that, unfortunately 3.82 seems to have another bug that
is revealed by building OOo with it. So I took the 3.81 source code,
applied the bug fix for the 3.81 crash and it worked as fine as it can
on Cygwin. I had documented that in the Building Guide in the old OOo Wiki.
Regards,
Mathias
Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 10:20:43PM +0100, eric b wrote:
> >>The log says :
> >>/cygdrive/e/apache_ooo/svgreplacement/main/toolkit/
> >>JunitTest_toolkit_unoapi.mk:28: *** Malformed target-specific
> >>variable definition. Stop.
> >By the way, what switches are you using to configure?
>
>
> See : http://ftp.educoo.org/home/ApacheOpenOffice.org/native_svg/my_configure_windows_xp.txt
>
> Is there something wrong ?
they look ok
> >AFAIK those API tests are not built in a default build (though I
> >might be wrong).
> >
>
>
> In fact, I was close to disable these tests (I'm impatient to test
> on windows too ;-)
dummy me ;) you are not building the tests! The error above is just make
parsing the Makefiles, not building the api test target.
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
Posted by eric b <er...@free.fr>.
Hi Ariel,
Le 4 déc. 11 à 22:08, Ariel Constenla-Haile a écrit :
> Hi Eric,
>
> On Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 09:47:53PM +0100, eric b wrote:
>> The log says :
>> /cygdrive/e/apache_ooo/svgreplacement/main/toolkit/
>> JunitTest_toolkit_unoapi.mk:28: *** Malformed target-specific
>> variable definition. Stop.
>
> I see. Sure it's a merging issue on Armin's branch, because on
> trunk that API test builds fine.
>
Yes, they do on trunk, so you're right.
>>> Last build breaker I've seen has been found by Andrew, in ucpp.
>>> You can see it in a clean build, if you do build --all in ucpp.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, do you mean cppu ? Looks ok so far.
>
> no, ucpp, introduced by 118568: replace license incompatible lcc with
> ucpp
>
Ok. So I understand why I don't have that yet in svgreplacement tree.
>>> On the other hand, I've experienced some random crashes with
>>> cygwin's make, again unrelated to source code changes.
>>>
>>
>> We should collect such information, and maintain some wiki page :
>> Windows is 90% of our users, and we cannot fail.
>>
>> Anyway I think I really got toolkit build breaker in toolkit.
>>
>>
>> Maybe my fault ... well ... I'll have a deeper look.
>
> looking at that line both in Armin's branch and trunk, the look alike:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/branches/alg/
> svgreplacement/main/toolkit/JunitTest_toolkit_unoapi.mk?
> revision=1205420&view=markup#l28
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/toolkit/
> JunitTest_toolkit_unoapi.mk?revision=1162288&view=markup#l28
>
> it looks like a merging issue.
>
No difference here too. Looking more closely, I thought it was a
TAB / space issue (gmake needs 2 tabulations, not spaces), but no,
the build is stil broken.
> By the way, what switches are you using to configure?
See : http://ftp.educoo.org/home/ApacheOpenOffice.org/native_svg/
my_configure_windows_xp.txt
Is there something wrong ?
> AFAIK those API tests are not built in a default build (though I
> might be wrong).
>
In fact, I was close to disable these tests (I'm impatient to test on
windows too ;-)
Regards,
Eric
--
qɔᴉɹə
Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
Hi Eric,
On Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 09:47:53PM +0100, eric b wrote:
> The log says :
> /cygdrive/e/apache_ooo/svgreplacement/main/toolkit/
> JunitTest_toolkit_unoapi.mk:28: *** Malformed target-specific
> variable definition. Stop.
I see. Sure it's a merging issue on Armin's branch, because on trunk
that API test builds fine.
> >Last build breaker I've seen has been found by Andrew, in ucpp.
> >You can see it in a clean build, if you do build --all in ucpp.
> >
>
> Sorry, do you mean cppu ? Looks ok so far.
no, ucpp, introduced by 118568: replace license incompatible lcc with
ucpp
> >On the other hand, I've experienced some random crashes with
> >cygwin's make, again unrelated to source code changes.
> >
>
> We should collect such information, and maintain some wiki page :
> Windows is 90% of our users, and we cannot fail.
>
> Anyway I think I really got toolkit build breaker in toolkit.
>
>
> Maybe my fault ... well ... I'll have a deeper look.
looking at that line both in Armin's branch and trunk, the look alike:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/branches/alg/svgreplacement/main/toolkit/JunitTest_toolkit_unoapi.mk?revision=1205420&view=markup#l28
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/toolkit/JunitTest_toolkit_unoapi.mk?revision=1162288&view=markup#l28
it looks like a merging issue.
By the way, what switches are you using to configure? AFAIK those API
tests are not built in a default build (though I might be wrong).
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
Posted by Andre Fischer <af...@a-w-f.de>.
On 13.12.2011 08:34, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> Hi Eric, *
>
> On Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 09:47:53PM +0100, eric b wrote:
>> The log says :
>> /cygdrive/e/apache_ooo/svgreplacement/main/toolkit/
>> JunitTest_toolkit_unoapi.mk:28: *** Malformed target-specific
>> variable definition. Stop.
>
> quite strange after updating cygwin, I'm getting the same error:
>
> cd ..&& make -r -j3
> /cygdrive/y/apache/trunk/main/unoxml/JunitTest_unoxml_complex.mk:28: ***
> Malformed target-specific variable definition. Stop.
> dmake: Error code 2, while making 'all'
>
> it only happens with the complex API test(s); singular because this is
> the only one in the whole source tree, but testing the gnumake4 - and
> some other CWS, that introduce several new complex API tests, they all
> break. Quite strange because they work ok on Linux.
Did you call configure with the --without-junit switch?
>
> cygwin's make version is:
>
> $ make -v
> GNU Make 3.82.90
> Built for i686-pc-cygwin
> Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
>
>
> I'll try the one mentioned by Michael Stahl.
>
>
> Regards
Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
Hi Eric, *
On Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 09:47:53PM +0100, eric b wrote:
> The log says :
> /cygdrive/e/apache_ooo/svgreplacement/main/toolkit/
> JunitTest_toolkit_unoapi.mk:28: *** Malformed target-specific
> variable definition. Stop.
quite strange after updating cygwin, I'm getting the same error:
cd .. && make -r -j3
/cygdrive/y/apache/trunk/main/unoxml/JunitTest_unoxml_complex.mk:28: ***
Malformed target-specific variable definition. Stop.
dmake: Error code 2, while making 'all'
it only happens with the complex API test(s); singular because this is
the only one in the whole source tree, but testing the gnumake4 - and
some other CWS, that introduce several new complex API tests, they all
break. Quite strange because they work ok on Linux.
cygwin's make version is:
$ make -v
GNU Make 3.82.90
Built for i686-pc-cygwin
Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
I'll try the one mentioned by Michael Stahl.
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
Posted by eric b <er...@free.fr>.
Hi Ariel,
Le 4 déc. 11 à 21:27, Ariel Constenla-Haile a écrit :
> On Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 07:14:26PM +0100, eric b wrote:
>> P.S. : I got Mac Intel versions for testing purpose. Contact me in
>> private if you are interested. Windows build should follow, but
>> somebody seriously broken the build (probably yet another gnumake4
>> mess)
>
> nobody has integrated anything from cws gnumake4.
The log says :
/cygdrive/e/apache_ooo/svgreplacement/main/toolkit/
JunitTest_toolkit_unoapi.mk:28: *** Malformed target-specific
variable definition. Stop.
It was perfectly building on Windows recently, excepted some
missing .tar.gz (I workarounded since)
If I can : I'm builsing on Windows since more than 2 years, and I
tested Apache OpenOffice.org since the beginning.
> You can look at the history of solenv/gbuild files, and changes
> there have been rather small. So your build is broken due to other
> reasons.
>
Well, I'll continue to search, but reading the log (and see dmake or
build is no longer usable), looks more to a gmake issue.
The build is not broken on Mac OS X, but is on Windows.
> Last build breaker I've seen has been found by Andrew, in ucpp. You
> can see it in a clean build, if you do build --all in ucpp.
>
Sorry, do you mean cppu ? Looks ok so far.
> On the other hand, I've experienced some random crashes with
> cygwin's make, again unrelated to source code changes.
>
We should collect such information, and maintain some wiki page :
Windows is 90% of our users, and we cannot fail.
Anyway I think I really got toolkit build breaker in toolkit.
Maybe my fault ... well ... I'll have a deeper look.
Regards,
Eric
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L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 07:14:26PM +0100, eric b wrote:
> P.S. : I got Mac Intel versions for testing purpose. Contact me in
> private if you are interested. Windows build should follow, but
> somebody seriously broken the build (probably yet another gnumake4
> mess)
nobody has integrated anything from cws gnumake4. You can look at
the history of solenv/gbuild files, and changes there have been rather
small. So your build is broken due to other reasons.
Last build breaker I've seen has been found by Andrew, in ucpp. You can
see it in a clean build, if you do build --all in ucpp.
On the other hand, I've experienced some random crashes with cygwin's
make, again unrelated to source code changes.
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
Thanks for the blog post, Eric.
If anyone wants to help spread the good news, here are some links to
share and/or promote:
Blog post: http://eric.bachard.org/news/index.php?post/2011/12/03/In-progress-%3A-native-support-of-the-SVG-graphic-format-in-Apache-OpenOffice.org
Google+: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110021943609888508798/posts/SXE4jRYeB38
Twitter: http://twitter.com/rcweir/statuses/143674439442243584
Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/openoffice/comments/n11yh/in_progress_native_support_of_the_svg_graphic/
-Rob
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:14 PM, eric b <er...@free.fr> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After I tested awesome Armin's work on Mac OS X (build broken on Windows due
> to gnumake issue) , I blogged about this nice feature to come :-)
>
> Links :
> Current blog entry : http://eric.bachard.org/news
> Full link :
> http://eric.bachard.org/news/index.php?post/2011/12/03/In-progress-%3A-native-support-of-the-SVG-graphic-format-in-Apache-OpenOffice.org
>
> Thanks in advance to spread the word !
>
>
> Eric Bachard
>
>
> P.S. : I got Mac Intel versions for testing purpose. Contact me in private
> if you are interested. Windows build should follow, but somebody seriously
> broken the build (probably yet another gnumake4 mess)
>
> --
> qɔᴉɹə
> Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
> L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
> Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org
Posted by Armin Le Grand <Ar...@me.com>.
Hi Eric,
On 04.12.2011 19:14, eric b wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After I tested awesome Armin's work on Mac OS X (build broken on Windows
> due to gnumake issue) , I blogged about this nice feature to come :-)
Nice Blog :-)
> Links :
> Current blog entry : http://eric.bachard.org/news
> Full link :
> http://eric.bachard.org/news/index.php?post/2011/12/03/In-progress-%3A-native-support-of-the-SVG-graphic-format-in-Apache-OpenOffice.org
>
>
> Thanks in advance to spread the word !
>
>
> Eric Bachard
>
>
> P.S. : I got Mac Intel versions for testing purpose. Contact me in
> private if you are interested. Windows build should follow, but somebody
> seriously broken the build (probably yet another gnumake4 mess)
>
As already posted in the other thread, I had no problems to build win
version after merging with trunk and committing ca on Friday noon. My
local version is already pretty changed again due to making Writer
graphic objects using primitives for their paint to get the now
available vector graphics to all paints and exports.
Just checked if I had to do some changes to do the build to make sure
(svn diff), but no changes were needed on my side.
Sincerely,
Armin
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ALG