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Posted to dev@geronimo.apache.org by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org> on 2005/08/25 19:01:39 UTC
[vote] Creation of Tooling Subproject
We've had the subject out for discussion for a few days, and had some
good feedback. I think we should take a vote on the creation of a
Tooling subproject. I'm going to just wing it here as this is our
first one, so any additions and mods are welcome, protests are
welcome, etc. I'd prefer if we can do this by lazy consensus, but
maybe that's an add-on poll for next time.
Apache Geronimo Tooling Subproject
----------------------------------
The Apache Geronimo PMC hereby creates a subproject focused on
tooling related to the Apache Geronimo project. The subproject will
be a home for software tools that are independent of the operation of
the general Geronimo container, or the J2EE server configuration.
Decisions about appropriateness for inclusion shall remain up to the
Geronimo PMC.
1) The tooling subproject shall have a separate root in the project
subversion repository. Proposed :
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/tooling
2) The tooling subproject shall have a separate entry under a
"Subprojects" heading on the website.
3) The artifacts of the tooling subproject shall have an independent
release cycle as appropriate for the sub-project, and is strongly
encouraged to time releases to that of the main server to ensure that
users get appropriate tooling for new server releases.
4) The tooling subproject will be organized anticipating multiple
tools of equal status in the subproject.
5) The eclipse plugin source base, currently residing in trunk/
sandbox, shall be moved to the tooling subproject.
This vote will run until Sat, Aug 27 at 12 Noon EDT.
[ ] +1 Create the tooling subproject.
[ ] -1 Do not create the tooling subproject.
Comments : (Anyone have a better name?)
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: [vote] Creation of Tooling Subproject
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@savoirtech.com>.
+1
David Jencks wrote:
> +1
> david jencks
>
> On Aug 25, 2005, at 10:01 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
>> We've had the subject out for discussion for a few days, and had some
>> good feedback. I think we should take a vote on the creation of a
>> Tooling subproject. I'm going to just wing it here as this is our
>> first one, so any additions and mods are welcome, protests are
>> welcome, etc. I'd prefer if we can do this by lazy consensus, but
>> maybe that's an add-on poll for next time.
>>
>> Apache Geronimo Tooling Subproject
>> ----------------------------------
>>
>> The Apache Geronimo PMC hereby creates a subproject focused on tooling
>> related to the Apache Geronimo project. The subproject will be a home
>> for software tools that are independent of the operation of the
>> general Geronimo container, or the J2EE server configuration.
>> Decisions about appropriateness for inclusion shall remain up to the
>> Geronimo PMC.
>>
>>
>> 1) The tooling subproject shall have a separate root in the project
>> subversion repository. Proposed :
>>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/tooling
>>
>> 2) The tooling subproject shall have a separate entry under a
>> "Subprojects" heading on the website.
>>
>> 3) The artifacts of the tooling subproject shall have an independent
>> release cycle as appropriate for the sub-project, and is strongly
>> encouraged to time releases to that of the main server to ensure that
>> users get appropriate tooling for new server releases.
>>
>> 4) The tooling subproject will be organized anticipating multiple
>> tools of equal status in the subproject.
>>
>> 5) The eclipse plugin source base, currently residing in
>> trunk/sandbox, shall be moved to the tooling subproject.
>>
>> This vote will run until Sat, Aug 27 at 12 Noon EDT.
>>
>> [ ] +1 Create the tooling subproject.
>>
>> [ ] -1 Do not create the tooling subproject.
>>
>> Comments : (Anyone have a better name?)
>>
>> --
>> Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
>> geirm@apache.org
>>
>>
Re: [vote] Creation of Tooling Subproject
Posted by David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>.
+1
david jencks
On Aug 25, 2005, at 10:01 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> We've had the subject out for discussion for a few days, and had some
> good feedback. I think we should take a vote on the creation of a
> Tooling subproject. I'm going to just wing it here as this is our
> first one, so any additions and mods are welcome, protests are
> welcome, etc. I'd prefer if we can do this by lazy consensus, but
> maybe that's an add-on poll for next time.
>
> Apache Geronimo Tooling Subproject
> ----------------------------------
>
> The Apache Geronimo PMC hereby creates a subproject focused on tooling
> related to the Apache Geronimo project. The subproject will be a home
> for software tools that are independent of the operation of the
> general Geronimo container, or the J2EE server configuration.
> Decisions about appropriateness for inclusion shall remain up to the
> Geronimo PMC.
>
>
> 1) The tooling subproject shall have a separate root in the project
> subversion repository. Proposed :
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/tooling
>
> 2) The tooling subproject shall have a separate entry under a
> "Subprojects" heading on the website.
>
> 3) The artifacts of the tooling subproject shall have an independent
> release cycle as appropriate for the sub-project, and is strongly
> encouraged to time releases to that of the main server to ensure that
> users get appropriate tooling for new server releases.
>
> 4) The tooling subproject will be organized anticipating multiple
> tools of equal status in the subproject.
>
> 5) The eclipse plugin source base, currently residing in
> trunk/sandbox, shall be moved to the tooling subproject.
>
> This vote will run until Sat, Aug 27 at 12 Noon EDT.
>
> [ ] +1 Create the tooling subproject.
>
> [ ] -1 Do not create the tooling subproject.
>
> Comments : (Anyone have a better name?)
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
> geirm@apache.org
>
>
Re: [vote] Creation of Tooling Subproject
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
On Aug 25, 2005, at 7:01 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
> +1 on the intent, not so happy with the name:
>
> Is the deployment tool a tool?
> Is the web console a tool?
> If we had a tool to immutabilize and import and export configurations,
> would that be a tool?
>
> I think those are all tools and should be very closely tied to the
> Geronimo release schedule and not the Eclipse plugin release schedule.
> Therefore I'd lean toward calling this the "IDE" subproject, or the
> "tool
> integration" subproject or something like that. Though this does
> seem to
> be a logical place to put the XDoclet code we talked about... Maybe
> a "Development Tools" subproject name & "devtools" repo name?
Good. Works for me. I'm happy to go with lazy consensus on the
name, so people don't have to vote again if they're happy or agnostic
about it.
And we still can choose where things go - there is no law. There
are some tools that will be linked to the server, so we can always
just choose that they go there...
geir
>
> Aaron
>
> On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
>> We've had the subject out for discussion for a few days, and had some
>> good feedback. I think we should take a vote on the creation of a
>> Tooling subproject. I'm going to just wing it here as this is our
>> first one, so any additions and mods are welcome, protests are
>> welcome, etc. I'd prefer if we can do this by lazy consensus, but
>> maybe that's an add-on poll for next time.
>>
>> Apache Geronimo Tooling Subproject
>> ----------------------------------
>>
>> The Apache Geronimo PMC hereby creates a subproject focused on
>> tooling related to the Apache Geronimo project. The subproject will
>> be a home for software tools that are independent of the operation of
>> the general Geronimo container, or the J2EE server configuration.
>> Decisions about appropriateness for inclusion shall remain up to the
>> Geronimo PMC.
>>
>>
>> 1) The tooling subproject shall have a separate root in the project
>> subversion repository. Proposed :
>>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/tooling
>>
>> 2) The tooling subproject shall have a separate entry under a
>> "Subprojects" heading on the website.
>>
>> 3) The artifacts of the tooling subproject shall have an independent
>> release cycle as appropriate for the sub-project, and is strongly
>> encouraged to time releases to that of the main server to ensure that
>> users get appropriate tooling for new server releases.
>>
>> 4) The tooling subproject will be organized anticipating multiple
>> tools of equal status in the subproject.
>>
>> 5) The eclipse plugin source base, currently residing in trunk/
>> sandbox, shall be moved to the tooling subproject.
>>
>> This vote will run until Sat, Aug 27 at 12 Noon EDT.
>>
>> [ ] +1 Create the tooling subproject.
>>
>> [ ] -1 Do not create the tooling subproject.
>>
>> Comments : (Anyone have a better name?)
>>
>> --
>> Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
>> geirm@apache.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: [vote] Creation of Tooling Subproject
Posted by Aaron Mulder <am...@alumni.princeton.edu>.
+1 on the intent, not so happy with the name:
Is the deployment tool a tool?
Is the web console a tool?
If we had a tool to immutabilize and import and export configurations,
would that be a tool?
I think those are all tools and should be very closely tied to the
Geronimo release schedule and not the Eclipse plugin release schedule.
Therefore I'd lean toward calling this the "IDE" subproject, or the "tool
integration" subproject or something like that. Though this does seem to
be a logical place to put the XDoclet code we talked about... Maybe
a "Development Tools" subproject name & "devtools" repo name?
Aaron
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> We've had the subject out for discussion for a few days, and had some
> good feedback. I think we should take a vote on the creation of a
> Tooling subproject. I'm going to just wing it here as this is our
> first one, so any additions and mods are welcome, protests are
> welcome, etc. I'd prefer if we can do this by lazy consensus, but
> maybe that's an add-on poll for next time.
>
> Apache Geronimo Tooling Subproject
> ----------------------------------
>
> The Apache Geronimo PMC hereby creates a subproject focused on
> tooling related to the Apache Geronimo project. The subproject will
> be a home for software tools that are independent of the operation of
> the general Geronimo container, or the J2EE server configuration.
> Decisions about appropriateness for inclusion shall remain up to the
> Geronimo PMC.
>
>
> 1) The tooling subproject shall have a separate root in the project
> subversion repository. Proposed :
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/tooling
>
> 2) The tooling subproject shall have a separate entry under a
> "Subprojects" heading on the website.
>
> 3) The artifacts of the tooling subproject shall have an independent
> release cycle as appropriate for the sub-project, and is strongly
> encouraged to time releases to that of the main server to ensure that
> users get appropriate tooling for new server releases.
>
> 4) The tooling subproject will be organized anticipating multiple
> tools of equal status in the subproject.
>
> 5) The eclipse plugin source base, currently residing in trunk/
> sandbox, shall be moved to the tooling subproject.
>
> This vote will run until Sat, Aug 27 at 12 Noon EDT.
>
> [ ] +1 Create the tooling subproject.
>
> [ ] -1 Do not create the tooling subproject.
>
> Comments : (Anyone have a better name?)
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
> geirm@apache.org
>
>
>
Re: [vote] Creation of Tooling Subproject
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
+1 from me.
On 8/25/05, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
> On 8/25/2005 10:01 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
> > [X] +1 Create the tooling subproject.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
--
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Re: [vote] Creation of Tooling Subproject
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
On 8/25/2005 10:01 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> [X] +1 Create the tooling subproject.
Regards,
Alan
Re: [vote] Creation of Tooling Subproject
Posted by Jeremy Boynes <jb...@apache.org>.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
> [X] +1 Create the tooling subproject.
>
--
Jeremy
[result] Re: [vote] Creation of Tooling Subproject
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
Results :
+1 : Geir, David Jencks, Jeff, Bruce, Jeremy, Alan, Dims, John, Aaron
Aaron suggested we change the name to "Development Tools" with
'devtools' repo, and there was no opposition, so I guess we go with
that too.
geir
On Aug 25, 2005, at 1:01 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> We've had the subject out for discussion for a few days, and had
> some good feedback. I think we should take a vote on the creation
> of a Tooling subproject. I'm going to just wing it here as this is
> our first one, so any additions and mods are welcome, protests are
> welcome, etc. I'd prefer if we can do this by lazy consensus, but
> maybe that's an add-on poll for next time.
>
> Apache Geronimo Tooling Subproject
> ----------------------------------
>
> The Apache Geronimo PMC hereby creates a subproject focused on
> tooling related to the Apache Geronimo project. The subproject
> will be a home for software tools that are independent of the
> operation of the general Geronimo container, or the J2EE server
> configuration. Decisions about appropriateness for inclusion shall
> remain up to the Geronimo PMC.
>
>
> 1) The tooling subproject shall have a separate root in the project
> subversion repository. Proposed :
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/tooling
>
> 2) The tooling subproject shall have a separate entry under a
> "Subprojects" heading on the website.
>
> 3) The artifacts of the tooling subproject shall have an
> independent release cycle as appropriate for the sub-project, and
> is strongly encouraged to time releases to that of the main server
> to ensure that users get appropriate tooling for new server releases.
>
> 4) The tooling subproject will be organized anticipating multiple
> tools of equal status in the subproject.
>
> 5) The eclipse plugin source base, currently residing in trunk/
> sandbox, shall be moved to the tooling subproject.
>
> This vote will run until Sat, Aug 27 at 12 Noon EDT.
>
> [ ] +1 Create the tooling subproject.
>
> [ ] -1 Do not create the tooling subproject.
>
> Comments : (Anyone have a better name?)
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
> geirm@apache.org
>
>
>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: [vote] Creation of Tooling Subproject
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 8/25/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
> [X] +1 Create the tooling subproject.
Bruce
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Re: [vote] Creation of Tooling Subproject
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
+1 from me
On Aug 25, 2005, at 1:01 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> We've had the subject out for discussion for a few days, and had
> some good feedback. I think we should take a vote on the creation
> of a Tooling subproject. I'm going to just wing it here as this is
> our first one, so any additions and mods are welcome, protests are
> welcome, etc. I'd prefer if we can do this by lazy consensus, but
> maybe that's an add-on poll for next time.
>
> Apache Geronimo Tooling Subproject
> ----------------------------------
>
> The Apache Geronimo PMC hereby creates a subproject focused on
> tooling related to the Apache Geronimo project. The subproject
> will be a home for software tools that are independent of the
> operation of the general Geronimo container, or the J2EE server
> configuration. Decisions about appropriateness for inclusion shall
> remain up to the Geronimo PMC.
>
>
> 1) The tooling subproject shall have a separate root in the project
> subversion repository. Proposed :
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/tooling
>
> 2) The tooling subproject shall have a separate entry under a
> "Subprojects" heading on the website.
>
> 3) The artifacts of the tooling subproject shall have an
> independent release cycle as appropriate for the sub-project, and
> is strongly encouraged to time releases to that of the main server
> to ensure that users get appropriate tooling for new server releases.
>
> 4) The tooling subproject will be organized anticipating multiple
> tools of equal status in the subproject.
>
> 5) The eclipse plugin source base, currently residing in trunk/
> sandbox, shall be moved to the tooling subproject.
>
> This vote will run until Sat, Aug 27 at 12 Noon EDT.
>
> [ ] +1 Create the tooling subproject.
>
> [ ] -1 Do not create the tooling subproject.
>
> Comments : (Anyone have a better name?)
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
> geirm@apache.org
>
>
>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: [vote] Creation of Tooling Subproject
Posted by si...@insession.com.
"Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org> wrote on 26/08/2005 03:01:39 AM:
> [X] +1 Create the tooling subproject.
Regards,
John
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