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[FYI] planet cocoon
hi
googling around i have found
http://www.planetcocoon.com/
with the moto "Apache cocoon documentation .. reloaded"
after that i have make a search in users and dev list
without any post about this site
did someone know somenthing more about this?
-stavros
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Re: [FYI] planet cocoon
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 22:09 +0100, Mark Leicester wrote:
> Hi there Thorsten,
>
> Thanks for your comments. I realise I should probably disclose that
> PlanetCocoon is sponsored by two one-man personal service companies:
> www.rocket-media.net and www.efurbishment.com. It's not a commercial
> site.
>
Hmm, but for how long?
> On 28 Mar 2005, at 16:30, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
>
> > BTW doing a cocoon site with drupal. LOL
> > Eat your own dogfood. ;-)
>
> Indeed; that is one of my favourite phrases. You're talking to the guy
> who wrote the MIDI transformer for Cocoon, so choosing the best tool
> for the job may not be my strong point! ;)
>
> Seriously though, I've worked with Cocoon for several years and I think
> that Cocoon's qualities as a tool for building web applications speak
> for themselves. As yet I don't have my hands on a Cocoon powered
> solution that answers my needs for a Cocoon developer community site.
> I'm looking for something that offers:
> - blogs, forums, pages, polls
> - high search engine visibility
> - formatting of code snippets / recipes
> - site-wide search
> - collaborative books
> - newsfeed aggregation
> - taxonomy / folksonomy
> - XML feeds for all content
> - integration with del.icio.us
>
> Do you know of anything I may have overlooked?
>
Apache Lenya - http://lenya.apache.org
Apache Lenya is an Open-Source Content Management System written in Java
and based on open standards such as XML and XSLT. Lenya is built on top
of Apache Cocoon and other components from the Apache Software Stack.
Its XML-centric architecture allows for content delivery targeted to the
capabilities of various devices, and avoids data lock-in. Apache Lenya
is built around Off the Shelf components from the Apache Software
Foundation.
Apache Lenya comes with the features you can expect of a modern Content
Management System, such as Revision Control, Scheduling, a built-in
Search Engine, separate Staging Areas, and Workflow.
Because Apache Lenya is based on Cocoon, you can use Cocoon features
such as robust Caching, multi-channel output, it's many connectivity
options to quickly build customized solutions to meet your specific
needs that are not already covered by Apache Lenya today.
> > This can do harm to the cocoon community, have you thought about that?
>
> What sort of harm can you foresee? I agree that we should think through
> the potential impact of independent initiatives like PlanetCocoon on
> open source communities like Cocoon. Can you think of any examples of
> independent sites in other communities? What worked? What went wrong?
>
I did not had a concrete case in mind, but it can split the community
apart. I like things happening here on this list and then going into the
docu.
I just find it weird that you want to reload the documentation on an
extern project. Will you commit them back to the community?
Do not get me wrong, your site looks useful.
salu2
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Re: [FYI] planet cocoon
Posted by Mark Leicester <ma...@efurbishment.com>.
Hi there Thorsten,
Thanks for your comments. I realise I should probably disclose that
PlanetCocoon is sponsored by two one-man personal service companies:
www.rocket-media.net and www.efurbishment.com. It's not a commercial
site.
On 28 Mar 2005, at 16:30, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> BTW doing a cocoon site with drupal. LOL
> Eat your own dogfood. ;-)
Indeed; that is one of my favourite phrases. You're talking to the guy
who wrote the MIDI transformer for Cocoon, so choosing the best tool
for the job may not be my strong point! ;)
Seriously though, I've worked with Cocoon for several years and I think
that Cocoon's qualities as a tool for building web applications speak
for themselves. As yet I don't have my hands on a Cocoon powered
solution that answers my needs for a Cocoon developer community site.
I'm looking for something that offers:
- blogs, forums, pages, polls
- high search engine visibility
- formatting of code snippets / recipes
- site-wide search
- collaborative books
- newsfeed aggregation
- taxonomy / folksonomy
- XML feeds for all content
- integration with del.icio.us
Do you know of anything I may have overlooked?
> This can do harm to the cocoon community, have you thought about that?
What sort of harm can you foresee? I agree that we should think through
the potential impact of independent initiatives like PlanetCocoon on
open source communities like Cocoon. Can you think of any examples of
independent sites in other communities? What worked? What went wrong?
> (you mentioned that posts to planetcocoon are not going back to this
> list)
Personally, I read much more aggregated RDF than email these days.
PlanetCocoon offers XML feeds to everything: blogs, forums, comments,
etc. Having said that, any comments posted to PlanetCocoon could easily
be relayed back to the cocoon list: that functionality exists already.
I'm ambivalent about doing it.
Cheers!
Mark
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Re: [FYI] planet cocoon
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
Hm, do not get me wrong (!!!), but I personally do not like such sites
because they distract the user (you mentioned that posts to planetcocoon
are not going back to this list). This can do harm to the cocoon
community, have you thought about that?
BTW doing a cocoon site with drupal. LOL
Eat your own dogfood. ;-)
salu2
On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 13:40 +0100, Mark Leicester wrote:
> Hi Jorg,
>
> On 28 Mar 2005, at 12:51, Jorg Heymans wrote:
>
> > Mark Leicester wrote:
> >
> >> I set up the site to scratch my own itch, and I certainly don't want
> >> to cross swords with other people's efforts. Having said that, I
> >> believe the site may have something to offer other Cocoon users in
> >> due course. Naturally, I welcome any feedback!
> >
> > random (first) thoughts :
> >
> > Which "ich" exactly was it that triggered you to do this? I mean I
> > can't (yet) see the value planetcocoon adds to the cocoon community,
> > apart from a more colorful mailinglist :-)
>
> The mailing list is simply the first feature I implemented.
> PlanetCocoon is a Drupal site (http://drupal.org). I'm a Drupal
> contributor and wanted to get my feet wet with a simple patch to their
> mailhandler module (the colourisation).
>
> The real "itch" is this. In due course I want to provide myself, my
> colleagues - and any other interested contributors - with a site that
> offers a wide range of means to communicate. People are different and I
> like the idea of offering blogs, forums, pages, code snippets, recipes,
> polls and collaborative books under one roof. I want to aggregate other
> Cocoon developer's blogs. I want taxonomy and folksonomy. I want
> integration with del.icio.us (and flickr!?). All of these things are
> already offered by Drupal (http://drupal.org).
>
> BTW I mentioned in the earlier post (see
> http://www.planetcocoon.com/node/1109 :p) that I want to introduce
> folksonomy to mailing list archives. My intention is to make mailing
> list material taggable. I think this will increase the value of
> archived mailing list content.
>
> > Are posts on planetcocoon relayed back to the mailinglist?
>
> No, not at this stage. PlanetCocoon offers XML feeds for anyone wanting
> to keep tabs on new content. A mailing list might be the best way to
> broadcast a message to the community, but I don't get time to read all
> my messages. For me, I've found XML feeds allow me to be more
> selective, and aggregators make reading much faster and easier.
>
> > Don't get me wrong here - i welcome any attempt to make cocoon and
> > it's docs better and more accessible - but isn't this just another
> > hollow shell sitting on top of a mailinglist that is potentially
> > confusing users looking for the Real Cocoon Docs(tm)?
>
> Indeed, the strapline is "Confusing Apache Cocoon developers with yet
> another source of documentation."
>
> I understand what you're saying. I've been in the Cocoon community for
> five years, and I don't like the many and varied sources of information
> either. I have very mixed feelings about adding another source, but I
> feel compelled to by the non-existence of a really modern Cocoon
> community site. Also, I rate Drupal quite highly and want to show it
> off! :)
>
> > Maybe it would be better to remove the page title "Apache Cocoon
> > Documentation... reloaded" until the docs actually have been
> > "reloaded".
>
> Quite. We're weeks away from any kind of launch. Detective Stavros
> forced my hand a little ;)
>
> Incidentally, am I alone in having mixed experiences googling for
> cocoon documentation? For example, if I type "cforms" into Google, what
> comes back? The first entry is the official Apache documentation: good.
> After that comes PlanetCocoon. The Cocoon wiki is many entries hence.
> Content from the Cocoon wiki seems to have fairly low search engine
> visibility. Does anyone know why this is? No one is linking to
> PlanetCocoon yet, but already Google seems to think PlanetCocoon has
> something of value. Google gets it wrong, but who can argue? If a tree
> falls in the woods...
>
> Thanks for your feedback!
> Mark
>
>
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Re: [FYI] planet cocoon
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Le 29 mars 05, à 10:37, Jorg Heymans a écrit :
> ...All i'm saying is that i'ld hate to see yet another source of
> outdated cocoon information appear on the web. It will take a lot of
> hard work to make sure the content doesn't become stale over time,
> constantly replicating stuff from the javadocs or the wiki....
Same here, I'm not enthusiastic about yet another source of
information, especially if it's copies or reformatting of stuff found
elsewhere. I don't have a problem about the "runs on PHP" stuff though,
tools are tools.
> ...PS i like the spreadcocoon concept !
I also like it much better than the planetcocoon thing, as it clearly
has a different focus than the other Cocoon information websites.
-Bertrand
Re: [FYI] planet cocoon
Posted by Jorg Heymans <jh...@domek.be>.
Mark Leicester wrote:
> Hi Jorg,
>
> The mailing list is simply the first feature I implemented. PlanetCocoon
> is a Drupal site (http://drupal.org). I'm a Drupal contributor and
> wanted to get my feet wet with a simple patch to their mailhandler
> module (the colourisation).
>
> The real "itch" is this. In due course I want to provide myself, my
> colleagues - and any other interested contributors - with a site that
> offers a wide range of means to communicate. People are different and I
> like the idea of offering blogs, forums, pages, code snippets, recipes,
> polls and collaborative books under one roof. I want to aggregate other
> Cocoon developer's blogs. I want taxonomy and folksonomy. I want
> integration with del.icio.us (and flickr!?). All of these things are
> already offered by Drupal (http://drupal.org).
>
> BTW I mentioned in the earlier post (see
> http://www.planetcocoon.com/node/1109 :p) that I want to introduce
> folksonomy to mailing list archives. My intention is to make mailing
> list material taggable. I think this will increase the value of archived
> mailing list content.
>
<snip/>
All i'm saying is that i'ld hate to see yet another source of outdated
cocoon information appear on the web. It will take a lot of hard work to
make sure the content doesn't become stale over time, constantly
replicating stuff from the javadocs or the wiki. Are you volunteering to
do this or are you hoping that registered users will start contributing?
Furthermore, i think you'll have a hard time getting people to support
the launching of a next gen cocoon documentation portal on a PHP
backend. Name me one webapplication framework that uses other technology
to show off it's own features? :)
Maybe you should take this over to dev@ and see how the "senior" chaps
feel about this.
Thanks,
Jorg
PS i like the spreadcocoon concept !
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AW: Tomcat 5.0 installation
Posted by Claus Straube <cl...@xdoo.de>.
Hi Joe,
I'm running Cocoon on Tomcat 5.5 with SDK 1.5. It's the same as running
Cocoon on a Tomcat 4.x. There could be some problems compiling Cocoon with
Java 5 (I think I've read some posts about that problem in this
mailinglist), but you can compile Cocoon with SDK 1.4 (without problems) and
run it on Tomcat 5.5.
Best regards - Claus
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=> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2005 03:15
=> An: users@cocoon.apache.org
=> Betreff: Tomcat 5.0 installation
=>
=> Howdy from Texas.
=>
=> It's been a while since I have paid much attention to the list, but the
=> time has come to get back into my Cocoon project. My provider uses
=> Tomcat 5.0, and I am wondering whether anyone has created any docs
=> specifically for that version. Or is it about the same as running 2.1.x
=> on Tomcat 4.0.4b1 with JDK 1.4.0 (the last version I can find
=> documented)?
=>
=> Thanks.
=>
=> Joe
=>
=>
=>
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Tomcat 5.0 installation
Posted by "J.D. Williams" <jd...@austin.rr.com>.
Howdy from Texas.
It's been a while since I have paid much attention to the list, but the
time has come to get back into my Cocoon project. My provider uses
Tomcat 5.0, and I am wondering whether anyone has created any docs
specifically for that version. Or is it about the same as running 2.1.x
on Tomcat 4.0.4b1 with JDK 1.4.0 (the last version I can find documented)?
Thanks.
Joe
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Re: [FYI] planet cocoon
Posted by Mark Leicester <ma...@efurbishment.com>.
Hi Jorg,
On 28 Mar 2005, at 12:51, Jorg Heymans wrote:
> Mark Leicester wrote:
>
>> I set up the site to scratch my own itch, and I certainly don't want
>> to cross swords with other people's efforts. Having said that, I
>> believe the site may have something to offer other Cocoon users in
>> due course. Naturally, I welcome any feedback!
>
> random (first) thoughts :
>
> Which "ich" exactly was it that triggered you to do this? I mean I
> can't (yet) see the value planetcocoon adds to the cocoon community,
> apart from a more colorful mailinglist :-)
The mailing list is simply the first feature I implemented.
PlanetCocoon is a Drupal site (http://drupal.org). I'm a Drupal
contributor and wanted to get my feet wet with a simple patch to their
mailhandler module (the colourisation).
The real "itch" is this. In due course I want to provide myself, my
colleagues - and any other interested contributors - with a site that
offers a wide range of means to communicate. People are different and I
like the idea of offering blogs, forums, pages, code snippets, recipes,
polls and collaborative books under one roof. I want to aggregate other
Cocoon developer's blogs. I want taxonomy and folksonomy. I want
integration with del.icio.us (and flickr!?). All of these things are
already offered by Drupal (http://drupal.org).
BTW I mentioned in the earlier post (see
http://www.planetcocoon.com/node/1109 :p) that I want to introduce
folksonomy to mailing list archives. My intention is to make mailing
list material taggable. I think this will increase the value of
archived mailing list content.
> Are posts on planetcocoon relayed back to the mailinglist?
No, not at this stage. PlanetCocoon offers XML feeds for anyone wanting
to keep tabs on new content. A mailing list might be the best way to
broadcast a message to the community, but I don't get time to read all
my messages. For me, I've found XML feeds allow me to be more
selective, and aggregators make reading much faster and easier.
> Don't get me wrong here - i welcome any attempt to make cocoon and
> it's docs better and more accessible - but isn't this just another
> hollow shell sitting on top of a mailinglist that is potentially
> confusing users looking for the Real Cocoon Docs(tm)?
Indeed, the strapline is "Confusing Apache Cocoon developers with yet
another source of documentation."
I understand what you're saying. I've been in the Cocoon community for
five years, and I don't like the many and varied sources of information
either. I have very mixed feelings about adding another source, but I
feel compelled to by the non-existence of a really modern Cocoon
community site. Also, I rate Drupal quite highly and want to show it
off! :)
> Maybe it would be better to remove the page title "Apache Cocoon
> Documentation... reloaded" until the docs actually have been
> "reloaded".
Quite. We're weeks away from any kind of launch. Detective Stavros
forced my hand a little ;)
Incidentally, am I alone in having mixed experiences googling for
cocoon documentation? For example, if I type "cforms" into Google, what
comes back? The first entry is the official Apache documentation: good.
After that comes PlanetCocoon. The Cocoon wiki is many entries hence.
Content from the Cocoon wiki seems to have fairly low search engine
visibility. Does anyone know why this is? No one is linking to
PlanetCocoon yet, but already Google seems to think PlanetCocoon has
something of value. Google gets it wrong, but who can argue? If a tree
falls in the woods...
Thanks for your feedback!
Mark
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Re: [FYI] planet cocoon
Posted by Jorg Heymans <jh...@domek.be>.
Mark Leicester wrote:
>
> I set up the site to scratch my own itch, and I certainly don't want to
> cross swords with other people's efforts. Having said that, I believe
> the site may have something to offer other Cocoon users in due course.
> Naturally, I welcome any feedback!
random (first) thoughts :
Which "ich" exactly was it that triggered you to do this? I mean I can't
(yet) see the value planetcocoon adds to the cocoon community, apart
from a more colorful mailinglist :-)
Are posts on planetcocoon relayed back to the mailinglist?
Don't get me wrong here - i welcome any attempt to make cocoon and it's
docs better and more accessible - but isn't this just another hollow
shell sitting on top of a mailinglist that is potentially confusing
users looking for the Real Cocoon Docs(tm)?
Maybe it would be better to remove the page title "Apache Cocoon
Documentation... reloaded" until the docs actually have been "reloaded".
Regards,
Jorg
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Re: [FYI] planet cocoon
Posted by Mark Leicester <ma...@efurbishment.com>.
Hi there Stavros,
Perhaps I should come clean! PlanetCocoon is (or rather, may be) an
experiment in a Cocoon community site. It's based on Drupal
(http://drupal.org): a CMS of some flexibility and extensibility.
Drupal has plenty to offer any online community; I'd hoped to make more
of Drupal's features obvious before publicising the site.
So far I've set up:
- Mailing lists
- One book (the introduction to Flow)
- Aggregated news feeds (from a selection of notable Cocoon developers)
- Search
Some nice touches include colourised email conversations, e.g.:
http://www.planetcocoon.com/node/1079
There's some fairly nice code colouring, e.g.:
http://www.planetcocoon.com/node/5
Also, I'm in the process of adding folksonomy type tagging feature to
the email archives.
I've been quite surprised at how rapidly PlanetCocoon has gone up the
Google rankings. I suspect its node based architecture has had
something to do with that.
I set up the site to scratch my own itch, and I certainly don't want to
cross swords with other people's efforts. Having said that, I believe
the site may have something to offer other Cocoon users in due course.
Naturally, I welcome any feedback!
Regards,
Mark
On 27 Mar 2005, at 00:39, gounis@osmosis.gr wrote:
> hi
>
> googling around i have found
>
> http://www.planetcocoon.com/
> with the moto "Apache cocoon documentation .. reloaded"
>
> after that i have make a search in users and dev list
> without any post about this site
>
> did someone know somenthing more about this?
>
> -stavros
>
>
>
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