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NetBeans Jira issues are not indexed by search engines
I wonder what your thoughts are on that topic: Currently Apache Jira is
configured so that search engines are discouraged to index Jira issues.
From my point of view this leads to a scenario where users/developers
don't find the right bugs, cannot contribute valuable information, are
encouraged to create duplicates and in the end might switch to another
IDE because of a combination of all these points.
I created a issue[1] for that which was closed immediately.
I think it's crucial that the community of a community driven project
should be able to find resources of a project in the most convenient way
(which is google).
just wanted to raise awareness of this issue and like to know your
thoughts about that.
Thanks
Benjamin
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-22096
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Re: NetBeans Jira issues are not indexed by search engines
Posted by Benjamin Asbach <ne...@impl.it>.
I wonder if this is still an issue:
Based on your question I double checked the problem. Actually robots.txt
(now?) states:
>> Allow: /jira/browse/*
Which seems to be enough. I'm also now able to find some issues on
google.
So I guess sorry for that noise.
Thanks
Benjamin
On 21.07.2021 13:34, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Is this something we can do as Apache NetBeans or something that should
> be
> done on the level of the Apache Software Foundation?
>
> Gj
>
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 at 21:32, Benjamin Asbach <ne...@impl.it> wrote:
>
>> Actually I'd just allow bots to index the issues. Tbh I cannot image
>> that indexer would heavily increase the server Jira server load. But I
>> don't manage a Jira instance that big. But it's still hard to believe.
>>
>> Alternatively we could do some kind of an mirror or export of - at
>> lease
>> the NetBeans issues - to a place where indexer bots are allowed to
>> index
>> it.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Benjamin
>>
>> On 21.07.2021 13:25, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> > What is the solution you’re proposing?
>> >
>> > Gj
>> >
>> > On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 at 20:58, Benjamin Asbach <ne...@impl.it> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I wonder what your thoughts are on that topic: Currently Apache Jira
>> >> is
>> >> configured so that search engines are discouraged to index Jira
>> >> issues.
>> >> From my point of view this leads to a scenario where users/developers
>> >> don't find the right bugs, cannot contribute valuable information, are
>> >> encouraged to create duplicates and in the end might switch to another
>> >> IDE because of a combination of all these points.
>> >>
>> >> I created a issue[1] for that which was closed immediately.
>> >>
>> >> I think it's crucial that the community of a community driven project
>> >> should be able to find resources of a project in the most convenient
>> >> way
>> >> (which is google).
>> >>
>> >> just wanted to raise awareness of this issue and like to know your
>> >> thoughts about that.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Benjamin
>> >>
>> >> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-22096
>> >>
>> >>
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RE: NetBeans Jira issues are not indexed by search engines
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
One idea: Add a mailing list, with a public (plain-text) archive just like this one, that just subscribes to all NetBeans JIRA issues...
-- Eirik
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From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 9:34 PM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: NetBeans Jira issues are not indexed by search engines
Is this something we can do as Apache NetBeans or something that should be done on the level of the Apache Software Foundation?
Gj
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 at 21:32, Benjamin Asbach <ne...@impl.it> wrote:
> Actually I'd just allow bots to index the issues. Tbh I cannot image
> that indexer would heavily increase the server Jira server load. But I
> don't manage a Jira instance that big. But it's still hard to believe.
>
> Alternatively we could do some kind of an mirror or export of - at
> lease the NetBeans issues - to a place where indexer bots are allowed
> to index it.
>
> Thanks
> Benjamin
>
> On 21.07.2021 13:25, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > What is the solution you’re proposing?
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 at 20:58, Benjamin Asbach <ne...@impl.it> wrote:
> >
> >> I wonder what your thoughts are on that topic: Currently Apache
> >> Jira is configured so that search engines are discouraged to index
> >> Jira issues.
> >> From my point of view this leads to a scenario where
> >> users/developers don't find the right bugs, cannot contribute
> >> valuable information, are encouraged to create duplicates and in
> >> the end might switch to another IDE because of a combination of all these points.
> >>
> >> I created a issue[1] for that which was closed immediately.
> >>
> >> I think it's crucial that the community of a community driven
> >> project should be able to find resources of a project in the most
> >> convenient way (which is google).
> >>
> >> just wanted to raise awareness of this issue and like to know your
> >> thoughts about that.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Benjamin
> >>
> >> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-22096
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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Re: NetBeans Jira issues are not indexed by search engines
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Is this something we can do as Apache NetBeans or something that should be
done on the level of the Apache Software Foundation?
Gj
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 at 21:32, Benjamin Asbach <ne...@impl.it> wrote:
> Actually I'd just allow bots to index the issues. Tbh I cannot image
> that indexer would heavily increase the server Jira server load. But I
> don't manage a Jira instance that big. But it's still hard to believe.
>
> Alternatively we could do some kind of an mirror or export of - at lease
> the NetBeans issues - to a place where indexer bots are allowed to index
> it.
>
> Thanks
> Benjamin
>
> On 21.07.2021 13:25, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > What is the solution you’re proposing?
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 at 20:58, Benjamin Asbach <ne...@impl.it> wrote:
> >
> >> I wonder what your thoughts are on that topic: Currently Apache Jira
> >> is
> >> configured so that search engines are discouraged to index Jira
> >> issues.
> >> From my point of view this leads to a scenario where users/developers
> >> don't find the right bugs, cannot contribute valuable information, are
> >> encouraged to create duplicates and in the end might switch to another
> >> IDE because of a combination of all these points.
> >>
> >> I created a issue[1] for that which was closed immediately.
> >>
> >> I think it's crucial that the community of a community driven project
> >> should be able to find resources of a project in the most convenient
> >> way
> >> (which is google).
> >>
> >> just wanted to raise awareness of this issue and like to know your
> >> thoughts about that.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Benjamin
> >>
> >> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-22096
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: NetBeans Jira issues are not indexed by search engines
Posted by Benjamin Asbach <ne...@impl.it>.
Actually I'd just allow bots to index the issues. Tbh I cannot image
that indexer would heavily increase the server Jira server load. But I
don't manage a Jira instance that big. But it's still hard to believe.
Alternatively we could do some kind of an mirror or export of - at lease
the NetBeans issues - to a place where indexer bots are allowed to index
it.
Thanks
Benjamin
On 21.07.2021 13:25, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> What is the solution you’re proposing?
>
> Gj
>
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 at 20:58, Benjamin Asbach <ne...@impl.it> wrote:
>
>> I wonder what your thoughts are on that topic: Currently Apache Jira
>> is
>> configured so that search engines are discouraged to index Jira
>> issues.
>> From my point of view this leads to a scenario where users/developers
>> don't find the right bugs, cannot contribute valuable information, are
>> encouraged to create duplicates and in the end might switch to another
>> IDE because of a combination of all these points.
>>
>> I created a issue[1] for that which was closed immediately.
>>
>> I think it's crucial that the community of a community driven project
>> should be able to find resources of a project in the most convenient
>> way
>> (which is google).
>>
>> just wanted to raise awareness of this issue and like to know your
>> thoughts about that.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Benjamin
>>
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-22096
>>
>>
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Re: NetBeans Jira issues are not indexed by search engines
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
What is the solution you’re proposing?
Gj
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 at 20:58, Benjamin Asbach <ne...@impl.it> wrote:
> I wonder what your thoughts are on that topic: Currently Apache Jira is
> configured so that search engines are discouraged to index Jira issues.
> From my point of view this leads to a scenario where users/developers
> don't find the right bugs, cannot contribute valuable information, are
> encouraged to create duplicates and in the end might switch to another
> IDE because of a combination of all these points.
>
> I created a issue[1] for that which was closed immediately.
>
> I think it's crucial that the community of a community driven project
> should be able to find resources of a project in the most convenient way
> (which is google).
>
> just wanted to raise awareness of this issue and like to know your
> thoughts about that.
>
> Thanks
> Benjamin
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-22096
>
>
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Re: NetBeans Jira issues are not indexed by search engines
Posted by Matthias Bläsing <mb...@doppel-helix.eu>.
Hi,
Am Mittwoch, dem 21.07.2021 um 12:58 -0600 schrieb Benjamin Asbach:
>
> just wanted to raise awareness of this issue and like to know your
> thoughts about that.
>
the TL;DR version of the reply is - Status quo:
- JIRA creates a huge server load for each rendered issue page
- there are various crawlers out there, this multiplies the load
- ASF has already put effort and resources into optimizing this
What is planned:
- Migrate to the Alassian cloud system, this might be better equipped
to handle crawlers
Sorry, what do you expect? The ASF does not have infinite resources and
I think the reply from INFRA is sane.
Greetings
Matthias
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