POLL: Struts/Shale promotion at the No Fluff conference

[Paul Benedict <pa...@yahoo.com>]

I was looking through the No Fluff Just Stuff session highlights. It looks pretty cool, but then I
came across the synoposis for Struts Shale... Hmmm....... I have to say, the wording was pretty
surprising and -- almost provoking? I'd like to hear other people's thoughts just for fun. I don't
know who wrote this little piece but I think it sounds pretty haughty?

"Struts is the most popular Java-based Web application framework today, but that's rapidly
changing. There's a newcomer on the block, a leaner, meaner, better-designed framework loosely
based on Struts that's poised to dethrone Struts as the reigning king of Java-based web
application frameworks. That framework, of course, is JavaServer Faces. Craig McClanahan, the
father of Struts and the co-spec lead for JSF 1.0, has proposed reinventing Struts for Struts 2.0
as a set of services for JSF applications. That new framework, which has no direct ties to Struts
as we know it, is called Shale."

http://www.nofluffjuststuff.com/show_view.jsp?showId=46

Did you know Shale was poised to dethrone Struts? LOL

Paul




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Re: POLL: Struts/Shale promotion at the No Fluff conference

["Frank W. Zammetti" <fz...@omnytex.com>]

Paul Benedict wrote:
> I was looking through the No Fluff Just Stuff session highlights. It looks pretty cool, but then I
> came across the synoposis for Struts Shale... Hmmm....... I have to say, the wording was pretty
> surprising and -- almost provoking? I'd like to hear other people's thoughts just for fun. I don't
> know who wrote this little piece but I think it sounds pretty haughty?
> 
> "Struts is the most popular Java-based Web application framework today, but that's rapidly
> changing. There's a newcomer on the block, a leaner, meaner, better-designed framework loosely
> based on Struts that's poised to dethrone Struts as the reigning king of Java-based web
> application frameworks. That framework, of course, is JavaServer Faces. Craig McClanahan, the
> father of Struts and the co-spec lead for JSF 1.0, has proposed reinventing Struts for Struts 2.0
> as a set of services for JSF applications. That new framework, which has no direct ties to Struts
> as we know it, is called Shale."
> 
> http://www.nofluffjuststuff.com/show_view.jsp?showId=46
> 
> Did you know Shale was poised to dethrone Struts? LOL

It has been so poised for some time, or so we've heard.  Call me when it 
actually dethrones ANYTHING.  The same goes for JSF in general.

Sorry, that probably sounds harsher than I intend it to... I am more 
than a little jaded, but I'm not trying to piss anyone off... my point 
is simply that we've been hearing this type of thing seemingly forever 
now, it's nothing new.  I for one frankly just tune it out as just so 
much hype.

It does seem like there might be some seriously conflicting visions of 
Struts 2.0, at least based on this summation and what has been talked 
about lately as far as WebWork goes.  When that all gets sorted out one 
way or the other, I'll start caring again.

> Paul

Frank


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Re: POLL: Struts/Shale promotion at the No Fluff conference

[Dakota Jack <da...@gmail.com>]

The only good thing about this is that David Geary is a good man and a real
thinker.  But, all Shale has is promotion, no attraction.  So, get used to
this sort of thing on a continuing basis.  How many years has this breakout
been happening now?



On 2/15/06, Paul Benedict <pa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I was looking through the No Fluff Just Stuff session highlights. It looks
> pretty cool, but then I
> came across the synoposis for Struts Shale... Hmmm....... I have to say,
> the wording was pretty
> surprising and -- almost provoking? I'd like to hear other people's
> thoughts just for fun. I don't
> know who wrote this little piece but I think it sounds pretty haughty?
>
> "Struts is the most popular Java-based Web application framework today,
> but that's rapidly
> changing. There's a newcomer on the block, a leaner, meaner,
> better-designed framework loosely
> based on Struts that's poised to dethrone Struts as the reigning king of
> Java-based web
> application frameworks. That framework, of course, is JavaServer Faces.
> Craig McClanahan, the
> father of Struts and the co-spec lead for JSF 1.0, has proposed
> reinventing Struts for Struts 2.0
> as a set of services for JSF applications. That new framework, which has
> no direct ties to Struts
> as we know it, is called Shale."
>
> http://www.nofluffjuststuff.com/show_view.jsp?showId=46
>
> Did you know Shale was poised to dethrone Struts? LOL
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
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