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Posted to user@geode.apache.org by Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com> on 2022/10/25 17:37:46 UTC
Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
I added the user@ list for visibility.
I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
"There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
And
"Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient ability for the PMC to carry the project.
Anthony
[1] https://attic.apache.org/
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> ⚠ External Email
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find us at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active members to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I propose we dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
>
> Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
>
> Thanks,
> -Dan
>
> [1] https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Fthread%2Fbx6t1cppbj7nmfjnf9gtcqjljp8bdf0y&data=05%7C01%7Cbakera%40vmware.com%7Ca3d22ca7f0a44eed05cd08dab5e879e4%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C638022307326356402%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tRdT0pfZ5Q2hjRPsQ50ih9n%2BCczTUPoGbIXTgX26ENs%3D&reserved=0
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RE: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by ru...@webstersystems.co.uk.
Thank you.
Thanks also for the note that we could start over.
Though I think that open source community shall look to satisfy use cases
for distributed "hash map on steroids" with Apache Kafka or gRPC and other
open source projects.
Geode shall go back to commercial Gemfire again.
Like China and India Railways (amazing)... and international banks... shall
use Gemfire.
Smaller business use other open source products.
Unless Geode / Gemfire was priced on a like AWS pay-as-you-go model.
I guess thats where this is all going.
Thanks for open sourcing in the first place. It was a lot of fun to have to
work really hard to make it work in FX broking.
Cheers...
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID>
Sent: 03 November 2022 22:22
To: user@geode.apache.org; dev@geode.apache.org
Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
For the one contributor who offered to help with the project, thanks Rupert!
However, it didn't seem to me like we had raised enough support at this
point to continue having a working PMC even with your help. We do appreciate
the offer.
I think if you are serious about taking over the project, there are options
to raise a community and reboot the project within the apache foundation, so
this doesn't have to be the end of the line.
-Dan
From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 3:15 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org
<de...@geode.apache.org>
Subject: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
This vote is now closed, thanks to everyone who voted. The vote has passed
with 4 binding PMC members voting to move the project to the attic.
I think the next step is that I will add an item to the agenda for the next
Apache board meeting for the board to consider. I'll also put the details in
our board report and share out a draft.
Results:
Binding PMC members
--------------------------
+1 - Xiaojian, Anthony, Mark, Dan
Committers and Users
-------------------------
+1 - Ernie, Donal, Ali, Ajay
-1 - Rupert, Pieter
RE: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by ru...@webstersystems.co.uk.
Thank you.
Thanks also for the note that we could start over.
Though I think that open source community shall look to satisfy use cases
for distributed "hash map on steroids" with Apache Kafka or gRPC and other
open source projects.
Geode shall go back to commercial Gemfire again.
Like China and India Railways (amazing)... and international banks... shall
use Gemfire.
Smaller business use other open source products.
Unless Geode / Gemfire was priced on a like AWS pay-as-you-go model.
I guess thats where this is all going.
Thanks for open sourcing in the first place. It was a lot of fun to have to
work really hard to make it work in FX broking.
Cheers...
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID>
Sent: 03 November 2022 22:22
To: user@geode.apache.org; dev@geode.apache.org
Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
For the one contributor who offered to help with the project, thanks Rupert!
However, it didn't seem to me like we had raised enough support at this
point to continue having a working PMC even with your help. We do appreciate
the offer.
I think if you are serious about taking over the project, there are options
to raise a community and reboot the project within the apache foundation, so
this doesn't have to be the end of the line.
-Dan
From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 3:15 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org
<de...@geode.apache.org>
Subject: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
This vote is now closed, thanks to everyone who voted. The vote has passed
with 4 binding PMC members voting to move the project to the attic.
I think the next step is that I will add an item to the agenda for the next
Apache board meeting for the board to consider. I'll also put the details in
our board report and share out a draft.
Results:
Binding PMC members
--------------------------
+1 - Xiaojian, Anthony, Mark, Dan
Committers and Users
-------------------------
+1 - Ernie, Donal, Ali, Ajay
-1 - Rupert, Pieter
Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID>.
For the one contributor who offered to help with the project, thanks Rupert! However, it didn't seem to me like we had raised enough support at this point to continue having a working PMC even with your help. We do appreciate the offer.
I think if you are serious about taking over the project, there are options to raise a community and reboot the project within the apache foundation, so this doesn't have to be the end of the line.
-Dan
From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 3:15 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org <de...@geode.apache.org>
Subject: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
This vote is now closed, thanks to everyone who voted. The vote has passed with 4 binding PMC members voting to move the project to the attic.
I think the next step is that I will add an item to the agenda for the next Apache board meeting for the board to consider. I'll also put the details in our board report and share out a draft.
Results:
Binding PMC members
--------------------------
+1 - Xiaojian, Anthony, Mark, Dan
Committers and Users
-------------------------
+1 - Ernie, Donal, Ali, Ajay
-1 - Rupert, Pieter
Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>.
For the one contributor who offered to help with the project, thanks Rupert! However, it didn't seem to me like we had raised enough support at this point to continue having a working PMC even with your help. We do appreciate the offer.
I think if you are serious about taking over the project, there are options to raise a community and reboot the project within the apache foundation, so this doesn't have to be the end of the line.
-Dan
From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 3:15 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org <de...@geode.apache.org>
Subject: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
This vote is now closed, thanks to everyone who voted. The vote has passed with 4 binding PMC members voting to move the project to the attic.
I think the next step is that I will add an item to the agenda for the next Apache board meeting for the board to consider. I'll also put the details in our board report and share out a draft.
Results:
Binding PMC members
--------------------------
+1 - Xiaojian, Anthony, Mark, Dan
Committers and Users
-------------------------
+1 - Ernie, Donal, Ali, Ajay
-1 - Rupert, Pieter
[RESULT] [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID>.
This vote is now closed, thanks to everyone who voted. The vote has passed with 4 binding PMC members voting to move the project to the attic.
I think the next step is that I will add an item to the agenda for the next Apache board meeting for the board to consider. I'll also put the details in our board report and share out a draft.
Results:
Binding PMC members
--------------------------
+1 - Xiaojian, Anthony, Mark, Dan
Committers and Users
-------------------------
+1 - Ernie, Donal, Ali, Ajay
-1 - Rupert, Pieter
[RESULT] [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>.
This vote is now closed, thanks to everyone who voted. The vote has passed with 4 binding PMC members voting to move the project to the attic.
I think the next step is that I will add an item to the agenda for the next Apache board meeting for the board to consider. I'll also put the details in our board report and share out a draft.
Results:
Binding PMC members
--------------------------
+1 - Xiaojian, Anthony, Mark, Dan
Committers and Users
-------------------------
+1 - Ernie, Donal, Ali, Ajay
-1 - Rupert, Pieter
Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by Ali Koyuncu <al...@gmail.com>.
+1 vote for moving to attic
On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 11:56 PM Mark Bretl <mb...@apache.org> wrote:
> I am in the same line of thinking as Anthony, there is a ton of work here
> to keep this moving and there are not enough people to do it. Between the
> role call on the PMC list and lack of significant interest on DEV/USER
> lists, I do not see it being a successful community at this point in time.
> If at some point in the future, there are enough volunteers to bring it
> back, they can go through the incubation process again.
>
> Therefore, I am a +1 vote for the attic. :(
>
> --Mark
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:27 AM pieter van zyl <pv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would vote against moving it to the attic
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 10:56 PM Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Any last votes on this? My current count:
>>>
>>> Binding Votes:
>>> 1 vote to move to the attic (Xiaojian)
>>>
>>> Non-binding votes:
>>> 2 votes to move to the attic (Donal and Ernie)
>>> 1 vote against and an offer to help maintain the project (Rupert)
>>>
>>> I'll let the dust settle for another day and then close this vote.
>>>
>>> -Dan
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Xiaojian Zhou <zh...@vmware.com.INVALID>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:51 PM
>>> *To:* user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>;
>>> dev@geode.apache.org <de...@geode.apache.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>>
>>> !! External Email
>>>
>>> Vote to move to attic.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Xiaojian Zhou, PMC of geode
>>>
>>> From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>
>>> Date: Friday, October 28, 2022 at 3:15 PM
>>> To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>, dev@geode.apache.org
>>> <de...@geode.apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>> There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's
>>> go ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
>>>
>>> As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all
>>> community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a
>>> consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this
>>> proposal.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Dan
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: rupert@webstersystems.co.uk <ru...@webstersystems.co.uk>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
>>> To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org
>>> <de...@geode.apache.org>
>>> Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>>
>>> ‼ External Email
>>>
>>> Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
>>> Volunteer for PMC.
>>> Please ping me.
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>
>>> Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
>>> To: dev@geode.apache.org
>>> Cc: user@geode.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>>
>>> I added the user@ list for visibility.
>>>
>>> I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community
>>> consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying
>>> the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones
>>> that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
>>>
>>> "There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the
>>> Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it
>>> would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board
>>> dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
>>>
>>> And
>>>
>>> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have
>>> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the
>>> board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
>>>
>>> I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient
>>> ability for the PMC to carry the project.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>> [1]
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>>>
>>>
>>> > On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > ⚠ External Email
>>> >
>>> > Hi folks,
>>> >
>>> > Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find
>>> us at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active
>>> members to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I
>>> propose we dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
>>> >
>>> > Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > -Dan
>>> >
>>> > [1]
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>>> >
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Saygılarımla, with my warm regards,
Ali KOYUNCU
Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by ajay v <va...@gmail.com>.
Me using open source Geode since 2019. Could understand not enough from
core team from vmware who can support and pacth. Vote to go to attic.
On Thu, 3 Nov 2022, 20:56 Mark Bretl, <mb...@apache.org> wrote:
> I am in the same line of thinking as Anthony, there is a ton of work here
> to keep this moving and there are not enough people to do it. Between the
> role call on the PMC list and lack of significant interest on DEV/USER
> lists, I do not see it being a successful community at this point in time.
> If at some point in the future, there are enough volunteers to bring it
> back, they can go through the incubation process again.
>
> Therefore, I am a +1 vote for the attic. :(
>
> --Mark
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:27 AM pieter van zyl <pv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would vote against moving it to the attic
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 10:56 PM Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Any last votes on this? My current count:
>>>
>>> Binding Votes:
>>> 1 vote to move to the attic (Xiaojian)
>>>
>>> Non-binding votes:
>>> 2 votes to move to the attic (Donal and Ernie)
>>> 1 vote against and an offer to help maintain the project (Rupert)
>>>
>>> I'll let the dust settle for another day and then close this vote.
>>>
>>> -Dan
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Xiaojian Zhou <zh...@vmware.com.INVALID>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:51 PM
>>> *To:* user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>;
>>> dev@geode.apache.org <de...@geode.apache.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>>
>>> !! External Email
>>>
>>> Vote to move to attic.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Xiaojian Zhou, PMC of geode
>>>
>>> From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>
>>> Date: Friday, October 28, 2022 at 3:15 PM
>>> To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>, dev@geode.apache.org
>>> <de...@geode.apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>> There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's
>>> go ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
>>>
>>> As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all
>>> community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a
>>> consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this
>>> proposal.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Dan
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: rupert@webstersystems.co.uk <ru...@webstersystems.co.uk>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
>>> To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org
>>> <de...@geode.apache.org>
>>> Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>>
>>> ‼ External Email
>>>
>>> Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
>>> Volunteer for PMC.
>>> Please ping me.
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>
>>> Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
>>> To: dev@geode.apache.org
>>> Cc: user@geode.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>>
>>> I added the user@ list for visibility.
>>>
>>> I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community
>>> consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying
>>> the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones
>>> that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
>>>
>>> "There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the
>>> Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it
>>> would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board
>>> dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
>>>
>>> And
>>>
>>> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have
>>> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the
>>> board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
>>>
>>> I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient
>>> ability for the PMC to carry the project.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>> [1]
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>>>
>>> > On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > ⚠ External Email
>>> >
>>> > Hi folks,
>>> >
>>> > Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find
>>> us at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active
>>> members to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I
>>> propose we dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
>>> >
>>> > Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > -Dan
>>> >
>>> > [1]
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>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> >
>>> > ⚠ External Email: This email originated from outside of the
>>> organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize
>>> the sender.
>>>
>>>
Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by ajay v <va...@gmail.com>.
Me using open source Geode since 2019. Could understand not enough from
core team from vmware who can support and pacth. Vote to go to attic.
On Thu, 3 Nov 2022, 20:56 Mark Bretl, <mb...@apache.org> wrote:
> I am in the same line of thinking as Anthony, there is a ton of work here
> to keep this moving and there are not enough people to do it. Between the
> role call on the PMC list and lack of significant interest on DEV/USER
> lists, I do not see it being a successful community at this point in time.
> If at some point in the future, there are enough volunteers to bring it
> back, they can go through the incubation process again.
>
> Therefore, I am a +1 vote for the attic. :(
>
> --Mark
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:27 AM pieter van zyl <pv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would vote against moving it to the attic
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 10:56 PM Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Any last votes on this? My current count:
>>>
>>> Binding Votes:
>>> 1 vote to move to the attic (Xiaojian)
>>>
>>> Non-binding votes:
>>> 2 votes to move to the attic (Donal and Ernie)
>>> 1 vote against and an offer to help maintain the project (Rupert)
>>>
>>> I'll let the dust settle for another day and then close this vote.
>>>
>>> -Dan
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Xiaojian Zhou <zh...@vmware.com.INVALID>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:51 PM
>>> *To:* user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>;
>>> dev@geode.apache.org <de...@geode.apache.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>>
>>> !! External Email
>>>
>>> Vote to move to attic.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Xiaojian Zhou, PMC of geode
>>>
>>> From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>
>>> Date: Friday, October 28, 2022 at 3:15 PM
>>> To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>, dev@geode.apache.org
>>> <de...@geode.apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>> There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's
>>> go ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
>>>
>>> As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all
>>> community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a
>>> consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this
>>> proposal.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Dan
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: rupert@webstersystems.co.uk <ru...@webstersystems.co.uk>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
>>> To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org
>>> <de...@geode.apache.org>
>>> Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>>
>>> ‼ External Email
>>>
>>> Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
>>> Volunteer for PMC.
>>> Please ping me.
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>
>>> Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
>>> To: dev@geode.apache.org
>>> Cc: user@geode.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>>
>>> I added the user@ list for visibility.
>>>
>>> I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community
>>> consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying
>>> the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones
>>> that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
>>>
>>> "There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the
>>> Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it
>>> would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board
>>> dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
>>>
>>> And
>>>
>>> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have
>>> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the
>>> board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
>>>
>>> I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient
>>> ability for the PMC to carry the project.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>> [1]
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>>>
>>>
>>> > On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > ⚠ External Email
>>> >
>>> > Hi folks,
>>> >
>>> > Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find
>>> us at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active
>>> members to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I
>>> propose we dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
>>> >
>>> > Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > -Dan
>>> >
>>> > [1]
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>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> >
>>> > ⚠ External Email: This email originated from outside of the
>>> organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize
>>> the sender.
>>>
>>>
Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by Mark Bretl <mb...@apache.org>.
I am in the same line of thinking as Anthony, there is a ton of work here
to keep this moving and there are not enough people to do it. Between the
role call on the PMC list and lack of significant interest on DEV/USER
lists, I do not see it being a successful community at this point in time.
If at some point in the future, there are enough volunteers to bring it
back, they can go through the incubation process again.
Therefore, I am a +1 vote for the attic. :(
--Mark
On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:27 AM pieter van zyl <pv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would vote against moving it to the attic
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 10:56 PM Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com> wrote:
>
>> Any last votes on this? My current count:
>>
>> Binding Votes:
>> 1 vote to move to the attic (Xiaojian)
>>
>> Non-binding votes:
>> 2 votes to move to the attic (Donal and Ernie)
>> 1 vote against and an offer to help maintain the project (Rupert)
>>
>> I'll let the dust settle for another day and then close this vote.
>>
>> -Dan
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Xiaojian Zhou <zh...@vmware.com.INVALID>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:51 PM
>> *To:* user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org
>> <de...@geode.apache.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>
>> !! External Email
>>
>> Vote to move to attic.
>>
>> Regards
>> Xiaojian Zhou, PMC of geode
>>
>> From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>
>> Date: Friday, October 28, 2022 at 3:15 PM
>> To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>, dev@geode.apache.org <
>> dev@geode.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>> There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's go
>> ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
>>
>> As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all
>> community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a
>> consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this
>> proposal.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Dan
>> ________________________________
>> From: rupert@webstersystems.co.uk <ru...@webstersystems.co.uk>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
>> To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org <
>> dev@geode.apache.org>
>> Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>
>> ‼ External Email
>>
>> Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
>> Volunteer for PMC.
>> Please ping me.
>> Cheers.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>
>> Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
>> To: dev@geode.apache.org
>> Cc: user@geode.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>
>> I added the user@ list for visibility.
>>
>> I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community
>> consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying
>> the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones
>> that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
>>
>> "There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the
>> Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it
>> would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board
>> dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
>>
>> And
>>
>> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have
>> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the
>> board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
>>
>> I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient
>> ability for the PMC to carry the project.
>>
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> [1]
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>> > On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > ⚠ External Email
>> >
>> > Hi folks,
>> >
>> > Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find
>> us at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active
>> members to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I
>> propose we dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
>> >
>> > Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > -Dan
>> >
>> > [1]
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>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > ⚠ External Email: This email originated from outside of the
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>>
Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by Mark Bretl <mb...@apache.org>.
I am in the same line of thinking as Anthony, there is a ton of work here
to keep this moving and there are not enough people to do it. Between the
role call on the PMC list and lack of significant interest on DEV/USER
lists, I do not see it being a successful community at this point in time.
If at some point in the future, there are enough volunteers to bring it
back, they can go through the incubation process again.
Therefore, I am a +1 vote for the attic. :(
--Mark
On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:27 AM pieter van zyl <pv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would vote against moving it to the attic
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 10:56 PM Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com> wrote:
>
>> Any last votes on this? My current count:
>>
>> Binding Votes:
>> 1 vote to move to the attic (Xiaojian)
>>
>> Non-binding votes:
>> 2 votes to move to the attic (Donal and Ernie)
>> 1 vote against and an offer to help maintain the project (Rupert)
>>
>> I'll let the dust settle for another day and then close this vote.
>>
>> -Dan
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Xiaojian Zhou <zh...@vmware.com.INVALID>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:51 PM
>> *To:* user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org
>> <de...@geode.apache.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>
>> !! External Email
>>
>> Vote to move to attic.
>>
>> Regards
>> Xiaojian Zhou, PMC of geode
>>
>> From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>
>> Date: Friday, October 28, 2022 at 3:15 PM
>> To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>, dev@geode.apache.org <
>> dev@geode.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>> There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's go
>> ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
>>
>> As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all
>> community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a
>> consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this
>> proposal.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Dan
>> ________________________________
>> From: rupert@webstersystems.co.uk <ru...@webstersystems.co.uk>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
>> To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org <
>> dev@geode.apache.org>
>> Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>
>> ‼ External Email
>>
>> Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
>> Volunteer for PMC.
>> Please ping me.
>> Cheers.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>
>> Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
>> To: dev@geode.apache.org
>> Cc: user@geode.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>
>> I added the user@ list for visibility.
>>
>> I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community
>> consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying
>> the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones
>> that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
>>
>> "There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the
>> Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it
>> would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board
>> dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
>>
>> And
>>
>> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have
>> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the
>> board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
>>
>> I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient
>> ability for the PMC to carry the project.
>>
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> [1]
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>>
>> > On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > ⚠ External Email
>> >
>> > Hi folks,
>> >
>> > Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find
>> us at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active
>> members to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I
>> propose we dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
>> >
>> > Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > -Dan
>> >
>> > [1]
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>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > ⚠ External Email: This email originated from outside of the
>> organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize
>> the sender.
>>
>>
Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by pieter van zyl <pv...@gmail.com>.
I would vote against moving it to the attic
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 10:56 PM Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com> wrote:
> Any last votes on this? My current count:
>
> Binding Votes:
> 1 vote to move to the attic (Xiaojian)
>
> Non-binding votes:
> 2 votes to move to the attic (Donal and Ernie)
> 1 vote against and an offer to help maintain the project (Rupert)
>
> I'll let the dust settle for another day and then close this vote.
>
> -Dan
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Xiaojian Zhou <zh...@vmware.com.INVALID>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:51 PM
> *To:* user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org
> <de...@geode.apache.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>
> !! External Email
>
> Vote to move to attic.
>
> Regards
> Xiaojian Zhou, PMC of geode
>
> From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>
> Date: Friday, October 28, 2022 at 3:15 PM
> To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>, dev@geode.apache.org <
> dev@geode.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
> There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's go
> ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
>
> As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all
> community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a
> consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this
> proposal.
>
> Thanks,
> -Dan
> ________________________________
> From: rupert@webstersystems.co.uk <ru...@webstersystems.co.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
> To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org <
> dev@geode.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>
> ‼ External Email
>
> Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
> Volunteer for PMC.
> Please ping me.
> Cheers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>
> Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
> To: dev@geode.apache.org
> Cc: user@geode.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>
> I added the user@ list for visibility.
>
> I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community
> consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying
> the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones
> that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
>
> "There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the Attic.
> Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it would
> like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board
> dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
>
> And
>
> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have
> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the
> board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
>
> I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient
> ability for the PMC to carry the project.
>
>
> Anthony
>
> [1]
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>
> > On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID>
> wrote:
> >
> > ⚠ External Email
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find us
> at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active members
> to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I propose we
> dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
> >
> > Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Dan
> >
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Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>.
Regretfully, I am voting +1 to retire the Geode project.
During the PMC roll call and open discussion on dev/user lists, we did not find enough PMC volunteers to carry the project forward even at a minimum level. While the PMC roster was large the vast majority of the members were either inactive, have resigned, or indicated they are contributing on a temporary basis only (including myself).
Beyond that, Geode is a significant project with a large codebase and a reputation for quality. Keeping the code, libraries, and build system up-to-date and CVE-free is no small endeavor. There are tens of thousands of tests that will need skilled hands to troubleshoot the inevitable failures and flaky results. With only a single commit in October I am not seeing an active committer base moving the project forward. This compares to over 120 commits in October 2021. I don’t believe this is an anomaly—project activity has effectively halted.
I think even if we met the minimum PMC criteria we are only delaying the inevitable without active committers.
Anthony
On Nov 2, 2022, at 1:54 PM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>> wrote:
Any last votes on this? My current count:
Binding Votes:
1 vote to move to the attic (Xiaojian)
Non-binding votes:
2 votes to move to the attic (Donal and Ernie)
1 vote against and an offer to help maintain the project (Rupert)
I'll let the dust settle for another day and then close this vote.
-Dan
________________________________
From: Xiaojian Zhou <zh...@vmware.com.INVALID>>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:51 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org<ma...@geode.apache.org> <us...@geode.apache.org>>; dev@geode.apache.org<ma...@geode.apache.org> <de...@geode.apache.org>>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
!! External Email
Vote to move to attic.
Regards
Xiaojian Zhou, PMC of geode
From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>>
Date: Friday, October 28, 2022 at 3:15 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org<ma...@geode.apache.org> <us...@geode.apache.org>>, dev@geode.apache.org<ma...@geode.apache.org> <de...@geode.apache.org>>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's go ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this proposal.
Thanks,
-Dan
________________________________
From: rupert@webstersystems.co.uk<ma...@webstersystems.co.uk> <ru...@webstersystems.co.uk>>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org<ma...@geode.apache.org> <us...@geode.apache.org>>; dev@geode.apache.org<ma...@geode.apache.org> <de...@geode.apache.org>>
Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
‼ External Email
Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
Volunteer for PMC.
Please ping me.
Cheers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>>
Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
To: dev@geode.apache.org<ma...@geode.apache.org>
Cc: user@geode.apache.org<ma...@geode.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
I added the user@ list for visibility.
I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
"There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
And
"Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient ability for the PMC to carry the project.
Anthony
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> On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID>> wrote:
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> Hi folks,
>
> Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find us at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active members to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I propose we dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
>
> Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
>
> Thanks,
> -Dan
>
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Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by pieter van zyl <pv...@gmail.com>.
I would vote against moving it to the attic
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 10:56 PM Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com> wrote:
> Any last votes on this? My current count:
>
> Binding Votes:
> 1 vote to move to the attic (Xiaojian)
>
> Non-binding votes:
> 2 votes to move to the attic (Donal and Ernie)
> 1 vote against and an offer to help maintain the project (Rupert)
>
> I'll let the dust settle for another day and then close this vote.
>
> -Dan
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Xiaojian Zhou <zh...@vmware.com.INVALID>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:51 PM
> *To:* user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org
> <de...@geode.apache.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>
> !! External Email
>
> Vote to move to attic.
>
> Regards
> Xiaojian Zhou, PMC of geode
>
> From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>
> Date: Friday, October 28, 2022 at 3:15 PM
> To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>, dev@geode.apache.org <
> dev@geode.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
> There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's go
> ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
>
> As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all
> community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a
> consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this
> proposal.
>
> Thanks,
> -Dan
> ________________________________
> From: rupert@webstersystems.co.uk <ru...@webstersystems.co.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
> To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org <
> dev@geode.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>
> ‼ External Email
>
> Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
> Volunteer for PMC.
> Please ping me.
> Cheers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>
> Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
> To: dev@geode.apache.org
> Cc: user@geode.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>
> I added the user@ list for visibility.
>
> I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community
> consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying
> the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones
> that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
>
> "There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the Attic.
> Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it would
> like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board
> dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
>
> And
>
> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have
> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the
> board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
>
> I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient
> ability for the PMC to carry the project.
>
>
> Anthony
>
> [1]
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> > On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID>
> wrote:
> >
> > ⚠ External Email
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find us
> at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active members
> to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I propose we
> dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
> >
> > Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Dan
> >
> > [1]
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Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com.INVALID>.
Regretfully, I am voting +1 to retire the Geode project.
During the PMC roll call and open discussion on dev/user lists, we did not find enough PMC volunteers to carry the project forward even at a minimum level. While the PMC roster was large the vast majority of the members were either inactive, have resigned, or indicated they are contributing on a temporary basis only (including myself).
Beyond that, Geode is a significant project with a large codebase and a reputation for quality. Keeping the code, libraries, and build system up-to-date and CVE-free is no small endeavor. There are tens of thousands of tests that will need skilled hands to troubleshoot the inevitable failures and flaky results. With only a single commit in October I am not seeing an active committer base moving the project forward. This compares to over 120 commits in October 2021. I don’t believe this is an anomaly—project activity has effectively halted.
I think even if we met the minimum PMC criteria we are only delaying the inevitable without active committers.
Anthony
On Nov 2, 2022, at 1:54 PM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>> wrote:
Any last votes on this? My current count:
Binding Votes:
1 vote to move to the attic (Xiaojian)
Non-binding votes:
2 votes to move to the attic (Donal and Ernie)
1 vote against and an offer to help maintain the project (Rupert)
I'll let the dust settle for another day and then close this vote.
-Dan
________________________________
From: Xiaojian Zhou <zh...@vmware.com.INVALID>>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:51 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org<ma...@geode.apache.org> <us...@geode.apache.org>>; dev@geode.apache.org<ma...@geode.apache.org> <de...@geode.apache.org>>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
!! External Email
Vote to move to attic.
Regards
Xiaojian Zhou, PMC of geode
From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>>
Date: Friday, October 28, 2022 at 3:15 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org<ma...@geode.apache.org> <us...@geode.apache.org>>, dev@geode.apache.org<ma...@geode.apache.org> <de...@geode.apache.org>>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's go ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this proposal.
Thanks,
-Dan
________________________________
From: rupert@webstersystems.co.uk<ma...@webstersystems.co.uk> <ru...@webstersystems.co.uk>>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org<ma...@geode.apache.org> <us...@geode.apache.org>>; dev@geode.apache.org<ma...@geode.apache.org> <de...@geode.apache.org>>
Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
‼ External Email
Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
Volunteer for PMC.
Please ping me.
Cheers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>>
Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
To: dev@geode.apache.org<ma...@geode.apache.org>
Cc: user@geode.apache.org<ma...@geode.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
I added the user@ list for visibility.
I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
"There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
And
"Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient ability for the PMC to carry the project.
Anthony
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> On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID>> wrote:
>
> ⚠ External Email
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find us at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active members to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I propose we dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
>
> Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
>
> Thanks,
> -Dan
>
> [1] https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Fthread%2Fbx6t1cppbj7nmfjnf9gtcqjljp8bdf0y&data=05%7C01%7Cdasmith%40vmware.com%7C37d98042d8ef49984ade08dabb0402fe%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C638027923164232642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=R1A7eGrb%2B3My4s%2FYoqR3R6Z9J0%2F%2BNrSI11Bv5Q8h5dU%3D&reserved=0<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Fthread%2Fbx6t1cppbj7nmfjnf9gtcqjljp8bdf0y&data=05%7C01%7Cdasmith%40vmware.com%7C37d98042d8ef49984ade08dabb0402fe%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C638027923164232642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=R1A7eGrb%2B3My4s%2FYoqR3R6Z9J0%2F%2BNrSI11Bv5Q8h5dU%3D&reserved=0><https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Fthread%2Fbx6t1cppbj7nmfjnf9gtcqjljp8bdf0y&data=05%7C01%7Cbakera%40vmware.com%7C547a1ccfb3fe49bbd6c008dabd14a3f7%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C638030193608683955%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=VWR32SKVRG2vIdoR8V1Nq4NYZL1t%2FWSh48gx%2BGT6mOk%3D&reserved=0>
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Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID>.
Any last votes on this? My current count:
Binding Votes:
1 vote to move to the attic (Xiaojian)
Non-binding votes:
2 votes to move to the attic (Donal and Ernie)
1 vote against and an offer to help maintain the project (Rupert)
I'll let the dust settle for another day and then close this vote.
-Dan
________________________________
From: Xiaojian Zhou <zh...@vmware.com.INVALID>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:51 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org <de...@geode.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
!! External Email
Vote to move to attic.
Regards
Xiaojian Zhou, PMC of geode
From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>
Date: Friday, October 28, 2022 at 3:15 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>, dev@geode.apache.org <de...@geode.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's go ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this proposal.
Thanks,
-Dan
________________________________
From: rupert@webstersystems.co.uk <ru...@webstersystems.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org <de...@geode.apache.org>
Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
‼ External Email
Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
Volunteer for PMC.
Please ping me.
Cheers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>
Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
To: dev@geode.apache.org
Cc: user@geode.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
I added the user@ list for visibility.
I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
"There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
And
"Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient ability for the PMC to carry the project.
Anthony
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> On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> ⚠ External Email
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find us at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active members to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I propose we dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
>
> Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
>
> Thanks,
> -Dan
>
> [1] https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Fthread%2Fbx6t1cppbj7nmfjnf9gtcqjljp8bdf0y&data=05%7C01%7Cdasmith%40vmware.com%7C37d98042d8ef49984ade08dabb0402fe%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C638027923164232642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=R1A7eGrb%2B3My4s%2FYoqR3R6Z9J0%2F%2BNrSI11Bv5Q8h5dU%3D&reserved=0<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Fthread%2Fbx6t1cppbj7nmfjnf9gtcqjljp8bdf0y&data=05%7C01%7Cdasmith%40vmware.com%7C37d98042d8ef49984ade08dabb0402fe%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C638027923164232642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=R1A7eGrb%2B3My4s%2FYoqR3R6Z9J0%2F%2BNrSI11Bv5Q8h5dU%3D&reserved=0>
>
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>
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Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>.
Any last votes on this? My current count:
Binding Votes:
1 vote to move to the attic (Xiaojian)
Non-binding votes:
2 votes to move to the attic (Donal and Ernie)
1 vote against and an offer to help maintain the project (Rupert)
I'll let the dust settle for another day and then close this vote.
-Dan
________________________________
From: Xiaojian Zhou <zh...@vmware.com.INVALID>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:51 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org <de...@geode.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
!! External Email
Vote to move to attic.
Regards
Xiaojian Zhou, PMC of geode
From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>
Date: Friday, October 28, 2022 at 3:15 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>, dev@geode.apache.org <de...@geode.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's go ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this proposal.
Thanks,
-Dan
________________________________
From: rupert@webstersystems.co.uk <ru...@webstersystems.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org <de...@geode.apache.org>
Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
‼ External Email
Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
Volunteer for PMC.
Please ping me.
Cheers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>
Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
To: dev@geode.apache.org
Cc: user@geode.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
I added the user@ list for visibility.
I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
"There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
And
"Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient ability for the PMC to carry the project.
Anthony
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> On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> ⚠ External Email
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find us at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active members to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I propose we dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
>
> Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
>
> Thanks,
> -Dan
>
> [1] https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Fthread%2Fbx6t1cppbj7nmfjnf9gtcqjljp8bdf0y&data=05%7C01%7Cdasmith%40vmware.com%7C37d98042d8ef49984ade08dabb0402fe%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C638027923164232642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=R1A7eGrb%2B3My4s%2FYoqR3R6Z9J0%2F%2BNrSI11Bv5Q8h5dU%3D&reserved=0<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Fthread%2Fbx6t1cppbj7nmfjnf9gtcqjljp8bdf0y&data=05%7C01%7Cdasmith%40vmware.com%7C37d98042d8ef49984ade08dabb0402fe%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C638027923164232642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=R1A7eGrb%2B3My4s%2FYoqR3R6Z9J0%2F%2BNrSI11Bv5Q8h5dU%3D&reserved=0>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by Xiaojian Zhou <zh...@vmware.com.INVALID>.
Vote to move to attic.
Regards
Xiaojian Zhou, PMC of geode
From: Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>
Date: Friday, October 28, 2022 at 3:15 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>, dev@geode.apache.org <de...@geode.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's go ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this proposal.
Thanks,
-Dan
________________________________
From: rupert@webstersystems.co.uk <ru...@webstersystems.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org <de...@geode.apache.org>
Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
‼ External Email
Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
Volunteer for PMC.
Please ping me.
Cheers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>
Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
To: dev@geode.apache.org
Cc: user@geode.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
I added the user@ list for visibility.
I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
"There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
And
"Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient ability for the PMC to carry the project.
Anthony
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> On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> ⚠ External Email
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find us at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active members to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I propose we dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
>
> Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
>
> Thanks,
> -Dan
>
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Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID>.
There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's go ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this proposal.
Thanks,
-Dan
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From: rupert@webstersystems.co.uk <ru...@webstersystems.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org <de...@geode.apache.org>
Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
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Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
Volunteer for PMC.
Please ping me.
Cheers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>
Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
To: dev@geode.apache.org
Cc: user@geode.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
I added the user@ list for visibility.
I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
"There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
And
"Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient ability for the PMC to carry the project.
Anthony
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> On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID> wrote:
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> Hi folks,
>
> Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find us at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active members to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I propose we dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
>
> Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
>
> Thanks,
> -Dan
>
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Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com>.
There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's go ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this proposal.
Thanks,
-Dan
________________________________
From: rupert@webstersystems.co.uk <ru...@webstersystems.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org <us...@geode.apache.org>; dev@geode.apache.org <de...@geode.apache.org>
Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
‼ External Email
Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
Volunteer for PMC.
Please ping me.
Cheers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>
Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
To: dev@geode.apache.org
Cc: user@geode.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
I added the user@ list for visibility.
I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
"There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
And
"Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient ability for the PMC to carry the project.
Anthony
[1] https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fattic.apache.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cdasmith%40vmware.com%7Cf225bd8095d547424ccb08dab6bf7be7%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C638023230840068545%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=wo6wDQSJk8FdjjJs%2F8IM5Lnh2sn9b%2F8E2Epr3Uw9HlM%3D&reserved=0
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> ⚠ External Email
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find us at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active members to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I propose we dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
>
> Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
>
> Thanks,
> -Dan
>
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RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by ru...@webstersystems.co.uk.
Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
Volunteer for PMC.
Please ping me.
Cheers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>
Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
To: dev@geode.apache.org
Cc: user@geode.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
I added the user@ list for visibility.
I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
"There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
And
"Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient ability for the PMC to carry the project.
Anthony
[1] https://attic.apache.org/
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> ⚠ External Email
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find us at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active members to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I propose we dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
>
> Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
>
> Thanks,
> -Dan
>
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RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
Posted by ru...@webstersystems.co.uk.
Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
Volunteer for PMC.
Please ping me.
Cheers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Baker <ba...@vmware.com>
Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
To: dev@geode.apache.org
Cc: user@geode.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
I added the user@ list for visibility.
I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
"There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
And
"Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient ability for the PMC to carry the project.
Anthony
[1] https://attic.apache.org/
> On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith <da...@vmware.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> ⚠ External Email
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find us at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active members to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I propose we dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
>
> Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
>
> Thanks,
> -Dan
>
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