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Posted to dev@metron.apache.org by Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com> on 2020/11/03 00:28:16 UTC
[DISCUSS] Retire Metron to the Attic
Hi all,
I want to start a discussion in the community to consider retiring Metron
to the Apache Attic and dissolve the project management committee. For
anyone unaware, an overview is available at Apache Attic
<https://attic.apache.org/>. In short, it's a way to provide a wind-down
process for projects reaching their end of life. This process, and
potential next steps, can be found here:
http://attic.apache.org/process.html.
We've seen a substantial decrease in contributions (both code and mailing
lists) over the past year or so (see:
https://github.com/apache/metron/commits/master). There's been some
interest in the project, but in my personal opinion, not enough to build or
sustain real momentum. Additionally, there's been an inability to close the
loop on paring down the project's scope and building a solid foundation for
future work (see: Development Activity has dropped to effectively 0, what
should we do?
<https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rf7ea1c1afb347e352efff50f58fbd58779f71e6c814d2a5563e381d7%40%3Cdev.metron.apache.org%3E>).
Finally, the last release was over a year ago and I don't see a release
naturally building anytime soon. We haven't seen much active development or
participation for a substantial period of time, which to me implies we've
reached a natural end of life.
The most obvious practical effects would be no new releases, setting source
read-only, mailing lists closed down, automated processes ended, etc. In
addition, the PMC would also be dissolved as part of this process.
Community members may still fork all or part of Metron, but should keep in
mind that the Metron trademark remains with the ASF.
What opinions are there either in favor of or against moving the project to
the Attic? Any questions about the process (or comments/corrections anyone
would like to add)?
Thanks,
Justin
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Metron to the Attic
Posted by David Lyle <dl...@gmail.com>.
+1 to both.
-David...
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 3:21 PM Zeolla@GMail.com <ze...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I also agree with a move to the attic. +1 to Otto's comment about forking
> the kafka plugin.
>
> --
> Jon Zeolla
> @jonzeolla
>
> PittSec | BsidesPGH | SteelCityInfoSec
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM Otto Fowler <ot...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I am in support of this as well,
> >
> > We have substantial work to do to get metron off of the HDP version it is
> > on, which I think is the minimal work to keep it viable. We do not
> however
> > have the people to finish the work that was started.
> >
> > Jon Zeolla and myself will be forking the metron-bro-kafka-plugin out, as
> > it _has_ continued to be active.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Casey Stella <ce...@apache.org> <ce...@apache.org>
> > Reply: dev@metron.apache.org <de...@metron.apache.org> <
> > dev@metron.apache.org>
> > Date: November 9, 2020 at 10:48:22
> > To: dev@metron.apache.org <de...@metron.apache.org> <dev@metron.apache.org
> >
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Metron to the Attic
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I'm in complete support of this. Given the current level of interest, I
> > believe that we should move this project to the attic.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Casey Stella
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 7:28 PM Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I want to start a discussion in the community to consider retiring
> Metron
> > > to the Apache Attic and dissolve the project management committee. For
> > > anyone unaware, an overview is available at Apache Attic
> > > <https://attic.apache.org/>. In short, it's a way to provide a
> wind-down
> > > process for projects reaching their end of life. This process, and
> > > potential next steps, can be found here:
> > > http://attic.apache.org/process.html.
> > >
> > > We've seen a substantial decrease in contributions (both code and
> mailing
> > > lists) over the past year or so (see:
> > > https://github.com/apache/metron/commits/master). There's been some
> > > interest in the project, but in my personal opinion, not enough to
> build
> > or
> > > sustain real momentum. Additionally, there's been an inability to close
> > the
> > > loop on paring down the project's scope and building a solid foundation
> > for
> > > future work (see: Development Activity has dropped to effectively 0,
> what
> > > should we do?
> > > <
> > >
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rf7ea1c1afb347e352efff50f58fbd58779f71e6c814d2a5563e381d7%40%3Cdev.metron.apache.org%3E
> > > >).
> > > Finally, the last release was over a year ago and I don't see a release
> > > naturally building anytime soon. We haven't seen much active
> development
> > or
> > > participation for a substantial period of time, which to me implies
> we've
> > > reached a natural end of life.
> > >
> > > The most obvious practical effects would be no new releases, setting
> > source
> > > read-only, mailing lists closed down, automated processes ended, etc.
> In
> > > addition, the PMC would also be dissolved as part of this process.
> > > Community members may still fork all or part of Metron, but should keep
> > in
> > > mind that the Metron trademark remains with the ASF.
> > >
> > > What opinions are there either in favor of or against moving the
> project
> > to
> > > the Attic? Any questions about the process (or comments/corrections
> > anyone
> > > would like to add)?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Metron to the Attic
Posted by "Zeolla@GMail.com" <ze...@gmail.com>.
I also agree with a move to the attic. +1 to Otto's comment about forking
the kafka plugin.
--
Jon Zeolla
@jonzeolla
PittSec | BsidesPGH | SteelCityInfoSec
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM Otto Fowler <ot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am in support of this as well,
>
> We have substantial work to do to get metron off of the HDP version it is
> on, which I think is the minimal work to keep it viable. We do not however
> have the people to finish the work that was started.
>
> Jon Zeolla and myself will be forking the metron-bro-kafka-plugin out, as
> it _has_ continued to be active.
>
>
>
> From: Casey Stella <ce...@apache.org> <ce...@apache.org>
> Reply: dev@metron.apache.org <de...@metron.apache.org> <
> dev@metron.apache.org>
> Date: November 9, 2020 at 10:48:22
> To: dev@metron.apache.org <de...@metron.apache.org> <de...@metron.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Metron to the Attic
>
> Hi all,
> I'm in complete support of this. Given the current level of interest, I
> believe that we should move this project to the attic.
>
> Best,
>
> Casey Stella
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 7:28 PM Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I want to start a discussion in the community to consider retiring Metron
> > to the Apache Attic and dissolve the project management committee. For
> > anyone unaware, an overview is available at Apache Attic
> > <https://attic.apache.org/>. In short, it's a way to provide a wind-down
> > process for projects reaching their end of life. This process, and
> > potential next steps, can be found here:
> > http://attic.apache.org/process.html.
> >
> > We've seen a substantial decrease in contributions (both code and mailing
> > lists) over the past year or so (see:
> > https://github.com/apache/metron/commits/master). There's been some
> > interest in the project, but in my personal opinion, not enough to build
> or
> > sustain real momentum. Additionally, there's been an inability to close
> the
> > loop on paring down the project's scope and building a solid foundation
> for
> > future work (see: Development Activity has dropped to effectively 0, what
> > should we do?
> > <
> >
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rf7ea1c1afb347e352efff50f58fbd58779f71e6c814d2a5563e381d7%40%3Cdev.metron.apache.org%3E
> > >).
> > Finally, the last release was over a year ago and I don't see a release
> > naturally building anytime soon. We haven't seen much active development
> or
> > participation for a substantial period of time, which to me implies we've
> > reached a natural end of life.
> >
> > The most obvious practical effects would be no new releases, setting
> source
> > read-only, mailing lists closed down, automated processes ended, etc. In
> > addition, the PMC would also be dissolved as part of this process.
> > Community members may still fork all or part of Metron, but should keep
> in
> > mind that the Metron trademark remains with the ASF.
> >
> > What opinions are there either in favor of or against moving the project
> to
> > the Attic? Any questions about the process (or comments/corrections
> anyone
> > would like to add)?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Metron to the Attic
Posted by Otto Fowler <ot...@gmail.com>.
I am in support of this as well,
We have substantial work to do to get metron off of the HDP version it is
on, which I think is the minimal work to keep it viable. We do not however
have the people to finish the work that was started.
Jon Zeolla and myself will be forking the metron-bro-kafka-plugin out, as
it _has_ continued to be active.
From: Casey Stella <ce...@apache.org> <ce...@apache.org>
Reply: dev@metron.apache.org <de...@metron.apache.org> <de...@metron.apache.org>
Date: November 9, 2020 at 10:48:22
To: dev@metron.apache.org <de...@metron.apache.org> <de...@metron.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Metron to the Attic
Hi all,
I'm in complete support of this. Given the current level of interest, I
believe that we should move this project to the attic.
Best,
Casey Stella
On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 7:28 PM Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I want to start a discussion in the community to consider retiring Metron
> to the Apache Attic and dissolve the project management committee. For
> anyone unaware, an overview is available at Apache Attic
> <https://attic.apache.org/>. In short, it's a way to provide a wind-down
> process for projects reaching their end of life. This process, and
> potential next steps, can be found here:
> http://attic.apache.org/process.html.
>
> We've seen a substantial decrease in contributions (both code and mailing
> lists) over the past year or so (see:
> https://github.com/apache/metron/commits/master). There's been some
> interest in the project, but in my personal opinion, not enough to build
or
> sustain real momentum. Additionally, there's been an inability to close
the
> loop on paring down the project's scope and building a solid foundation
for
> future work (see: Development Activity has dropped to effectively 0, what
> should we do?
> <
>
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rf7ea1c1afb347e352efff50f58fbd58779f71e6c814d2a5563e381d7%40%3Cdev.metron.apache.org%3E
> >).
> Finally, the last release was over a year ago and I don't see a release
> naturally building anytime soon. We haven't seen much active development
or
> participation for a substantial period of time, which to me implies we've
> reached a natural end of life.
>
> The most obvious practical effects would be no new releases, setting
source
> read-only, mailing lists closed down, automated processes ended, etc. In
> addition, the PMC would also be dissolved as part of this process.
> Community members may still fork all or part of Metron, but should keep
in
> mind that the Metron trademark remains with the ASF.
>
> What opinions are there either in favor of or against moving the project
to
> the Attic? Any questions about the process (or comments/corrections
anyone
> would like to add)?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Retire Metron to the Attic
Posted by Casey Stella <ce...@apache.org>.
Hi all,
I'm in complete support of this. Given the current level of interest, I
believe that we should move this project to the attic.
Best,
Casey Stella
On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 7:28 PM Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I want to start a discussion in the community to consider retiring Metron
> to the Apache Attic and dissolve the project management committee. For
> anyone unaware, an overview is available at Apache Attic
> <https://attic.apache.org/>. In short, it's a way to provide a wind-down
> process for projects reaching their end of life. This process, and
> potential next steps, can be found here:
> http://attic.apache.org/process.html.
>
> We've seen a substantial decrease in contributions (both code and mailing
> lists) over the past year or so (see:
> https://github.com/apache/metron/commits/master). There's been some
> interest in the project, but in my personal opinion, not enough to build or
> sustain real momentum. Additionally, there's been an inability to close the
> loop on paring down the project's scope and building a solid foundation for
> future work (see: Development Activity has dropped to effectively 0, what
> should we do?
> <
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rf7ea1c1afb347e352efff50f58fbd58779f71e6c814d2a5563e381d7%40%3Cdev.metron.apache.org%3E
> >).
> Finally, the last release was over a year ago and I don't see a release
> naturally building anytime soon. We haven't seen much active development or
> participation for a substantial period of time, which to me implies we've
> reached a natural end of life.
>
> The most obvious practical effects would be no new releases, setting source
> read-only, mailing lists closed down, automated processes ended, etc. In
> addition, the PMC would also be dissolved as part of this process.
> Community members may still fork all or part of Metron, but should keep in
> mind that the Metron trademark remains with the ASF.
>
> What opinions are there either in favor of or against moving the project to
> the Attic? Any questions about the process (or comments/corrections anyone
> would like to add)?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>